CREEPY! | Doctor Who Season 2 Episode 4 "The Girl in the Fireplace" Reaction! 

Not stupid. Logical. Literal. Programming.

It would only be stupid if it were humans thinking that way. But, since they were robots, it makes sense. They see thngs much more literally.

@@Jumpyman_thegamerYT Terribly programmed - same difference.

@@jonasfermefors Exactly. When the crew programmed them to repair the ship, they must have used the term ‘parts’ in an extremely general way. They clearly weren’t specific enough. Considering that the robots used a human eye as a lens and a heart as a machine pump (since their functions are relatively the same in a way) we can see what kind of coding was programmed into them if they make no distinction between machine parts and organs.

@@Jumpyman_thegamerYT But the program worked as specified... Correctly programmed, Incorrectly SPECIFIED.

No it goes like... Doctor says Martha Rose says Martha? Doctor says The name for the horse! Rose says No your not keeping the horse! Doctor says I'll let you keep Micky now go go go! 😂😂😂 Don't know how u got that wrong

@@Legendary3Dgamer Because it is Arthur, not Martha?

Which is exactly the issue I have with it. People pretend it’s celebrating Reinette when in fact the plot ultimately undermines everything she accomplished. She isn’t really needed for what she can contribute, she’s reduced to just a name on a ship. It’s sad. It’s like walking by a random statue and having no clue what the person did. None of her accomplishments are remembered by the robots. It’s such a waste of an opportunity. One would have hoped if Moffat bothers to write such a strong character, she would get to really help them. Not be in a random romance that makes no sense when Rose is right there. It’s just not believable that 10 would leave Rose like that.

And another signature: Young girl developing a childhood crush for the doctor and wait for years for him to come back, eventaully leading to actual romance when she grows up. A little creepy tbh, but Moffat's problematic portrayal of women during his early days in DH is not a secret. He's much better during his later run.

Not the most obnoxious thing Moffat added to the universe, but it's up there.

​@@WolfHreda Yeah. Does he really lie that much?

@@HuntingViolets Not enough for it to be Rule #1.

Victoria Waterfield, companion to the 2nd Doctor, was Victorian, and Jamie McCrimmon (the other companion at the time) was a highlander from the 18th century :-) But yeah, seeing it happen in the modern series would be good, their bigger focus on companions would flesh out the whole 'fish out of water' thing more.

Like Leela?

​@@LucasSantana-ws8poAlthough a "savage" Leela was from the far future being one of the descendents of a survey team from a spaceship which crashed on a remote planet. Her tribe the sevateem (a corruption of survey team) are fighting the hidden Tesh (a corruption of techs) at the behest of a mad computer with a split personality when the Doctor first meets her.

@@LucasSantana-ws8po maybe? I've only been able to get into new who. I've tried classic who, but the slower style of story telling, shorter episodes and stage-play like acting didn't really work for me. there's only a few episodes of fourth doctor I have seen, none of them with leela.

@@stephenhumphreys9149 I have only seen a few episodes of classic who, it didn't really gel with me. I might look into these! I haven't seen the second doctor yet!

And we are so glad he did, because it turned out fantastic.

LOLOLOLOLOL

Technically it's not at the same time though so it doesn't count.

Steven Moffat in a nutshell

@@LithiumBC It is to him.

Actually, there was a standing joke about Tennant. They were always betting if he’d show up with a blonde, a brunette or a redhead

That's what's so maddening about his tenure as showrunner, it felt like he was just weakly rehashing all his greatest hits from when he was a rank-and-file footsoldier, with more production value and better VFX but less heart.

I think he's been the best showrunner so far, too.

@@arch1017 Moffat as showrunner seems to be like Marmite among people. I think it was the acting of the cast that carried it.

@Harry_SS Yeah, that does seem to be the case, and that's cool. Different opinions and all that.

It was in my top 3 for a loooong time and now still is in my top 10!

Unless he told her to write the letter and fake the death?

@@toddkes5890 We do see a hurse leaving at the end. I _suppose_ it's possible, but it would have to be _after_ this episode.

@hessy said it perfectly, I have nothing left except “Great Reaction, thanks Emme”.

He does love the written goodbye doesn’t he.

Well, now it is. Having grown up in the Classic Who era, I don't recall them being officially called "Companions" (with a big C) until some time later. We sometimes referred to them as "assistants" or "companions" (with a small c), though. Whatever, _the_ Companions played an important part as the Doctor's full-time sidekicks for a series or more, rather than merely friends who happened to get a few trips in the TARDIS.

Fair enough. I've always known of them as Companions, but I was born in the 80s, so pretty much missed the classic era.

In the early days there was no established term; "friends", "travelling companions" were both used at various times by the Doctor to refer to the folks he hung out with, and the press and the BBC used all sorts of phrases. On a a couple of occasions the Doctor called Jamie or Zoe "my assistant", but that would be as part lf their cover. But when the 3rd Doctor is stuck on Earth and accepts the job as UNIT's scientific advisor, he officially has a colleague who he often treats as an assistant (Liz Shaw), followed by an actual appointed assistant (Jo Grant - "someone to pass you your test tubes and tell you how clever you are"). After Jo leaves, he then co-opts Sarah Jane Smith to be his assistant, thus getting her a UNIT pass despite the fact that she's already illegally gatecrashed a secure UNIT facility! So SJS uses the term "assistant" in School Reunion, even though once the Doctor broke ties with UNIT he'd taken to calling her his "best friend"; Meanwhile in our world the press and public had used to the term "assistant " over five continuous years, and kept using it through Leela's time. Romana is specifically appointed as an assistant.... And then we enter the JN-T era, in which a deliberate effort was made to shed the "A" word and replace it with "companion" as a more generally applicable term for everyone who'd ever traveled with the Doctor... Even though that still leaves awkward fringe cases such as Liz, who we never saw even step into the TARDIS let alone go anywhere, and Mike Yates (same), and even the Brig and Benton who only get one short trip in the TARDIS, not even getting home by the same means!

Interesting read! I'd treat companion as a term for anyone who's travelled or spent a significant amount of time with the Doctor. Which means Kate Lethbridge-Stewart would count alongside Liz Shaw et al.

@@csmadisun I try to keep it simple. For me, Companions are those who were specifically auditioned and selected for the coveted role of being the Doctor's "official" sidekick. If they weren't specifically auditioned, then they can become a Companion by being asked to stay on as a member of the TARDIS team for consecutive stories for a season or more. So, despite not travelling in the TARDIS, Liz Shaw was definitely a Companion because Carrie John was auditioned in that capacity. Jamie wasn't auditioned as a Companion, but he was asked to stay on, and was a key member of the TARIDS crew for the rest of the Troughton era. And so on for the other "big C" Companions. All the others - the Brig and Kate included - don't fall into those criteria, even though they're well-liked recurring characters.

Yep. Right from the first ep of the revival through to when Chibnall took over.

Nope, I won't fight you :) I don't know where I'd place it now but it would definitely be in my top 10!

I just wish they got her age right when she died cause she was 42 not 43. For me it's something small that just bothers me

This is my favorite episode, but I think Blink is a much better written episode.

​@@Venemofthe888They calculated ages differently then. They considered your age by what year of life you were in rather than by the number of whole years you'd completed. They would say you were one from birth. So she'd have been in her 43rd year at death whereas we'd say she was 42 having completed 42 whole years at her death.

Its a good ep with great costumes, sets and music but i find it to be super out of character for the dr to leave rose like that, and expect to still be around in 3000 years to get back to her

Yes, it's timelord

Feels weird calling the real historical characters companions that never were. Like they're also kinda companions that never really could be anyway.

@@ClintBandito I mean the Doctor could always return her to when she left (assuming the Tardis cooperates), but I get your point.

Fr, the actor really sells his amazement at finally going to space in a really fun charismatic way

TBH I was always low-key pissed off about how abusive The Doctor was to him all the time. I can assume with his centuries of wisdom and knowledge of human nature that he instinctively knew that that was the kind of "tough love" Mickey needed to actualize and become his best self, but it often did just sound like he was just being an a$$hole to be funny, and you can't punch much further down than being a 900 yr-old mad scientist alien making fun of a human's intelligence.

The way he gets what's going on at the end and leads Rose away to give the Doctor his privacy was the turning point for me. That boy is growing up fast.

And it's not even close imo. Fair enough to the people who are enjoying the new ones but this era of Doctor Who will always have me coming back.

Except there are times/circumstances when he can and others when he can't (fixed points). And only he can tell which is which. A clever workaround for being able to tell tragic stories like this one in between playful paradox-flaunting japes like "the bit with the tie" (kn a future ep).

I assume you meant exploitation. =:o}

It's not different speeds; It's an intermittent connection. So long as the connection holds, the two time streams run parallel at the same speed, but whenever the connection breaks it can be years on Reinette's end before it gets restored.