So it's my understanding that this multiverse is one without Darkseid and therefore cannot exist, there is a separate multiverse where the dcau, superfriends, still exist with a Darkseid am I correct?
@@colinftp3288from what it sounds yea. This and Kill the Justice League were his last big projects as Batman, which seems really bleak that we didn't get a classic Batman story as his last run as the dark knight
@@Subpar1O1Tbf, they didn't know he had cancer. The fact that we got this Crisis moment as an insanely beautiful finale to cap off his time as Batman is a miracle in itself.
"There's so many good stories where some brave hero has to give their life to save the day, and because of their sacrifice, the good guys win, the survivors cheer, and everyone lives happily ever after. But the hero never gets to see the ending. They'll never know if their sacrifice actually made a difference. They'll never know if the day was really saved. In the end, they just have to have faith. Ain’t that a bitch.” -Epsilon/Church
In one of the blob movies there's a soldier who pulls the pins on his grenades before he gets crushed by the blob, a couple shots later a spot on the blob glows a few times as the grenades explode doing absolutely nothing. To go into a situation you know you'll lose to try and save as many people as you can is what defines a hero to me, "a beacon of hope amidst the darkness", even if unsuccessful we've done all we can and we just have to hope it's enough to help everyone else
Honestly I’m glad we saw the DCAU it might have been destroyed but at least our last time seeing Kevin as Batman isn’t him getting shot in the head by Harley on a park bench
@@dukeheavens9990it isn’t that he died, it’s the method of his death. Imagine if Superman just up and died eating a cake cause it has an ingredient in it that he is allergic to. Or Spider-Man is stabbed through the chest by a preschooler. It’s essentially the same thing in this case because for all three it’s an anti climactic death from something no one saw coming because they ordinarily deal with similar scenarios on the daily.
@@Sm0key_Ratesyeah like it literally becomes a paradox if it is the real animated dcau. For example it’s told to us that the Multiversus was created when flash killed darkseid so every new universe after it doesn’t have a darkseid. Problem, the animated universe does have a darkseid but if it is the real version of it then it can’t have darkseid since it was only born after said darkseid was killed and that universe was split. It literally becomes a paradox
I think the whole "Multiverse is a Cancer" Thing is meant to be isolated to this incident, the Multiverse shown in the Tomorrowverse isn't a natural one, but rather one born from Constantine shattering the old DCAMU by killing Darkseid. It's not a "true" multiverse, it's just one universe that's being stretched, like a shirt being unraveled into individual threads? If that makes sense. Its the fabric of one reality being forced to sustain infinite variations of itself, but it cant. that was set up at the very beginning of the Tomorrowverse when it was revealed Constantine "wounded" the universe itself. Now we see the consequences of that wound in the universes immune response. So yeah, this isn't a "crisis" for the wider, true multiverse or even other animated media, it's a isolated incident of one "multiverse" that was never meant to be collapsing on itself.
Honestly, it just makes it feel lazy. If the whole point is to collapse the multiverse into one at the end, then why not feature popular characters from their previous animated movies/shows as part of the main cast. This is the time to do it. Go out with a bang, especially since we're not gonna see those worlds again. And it's even worse that they didn't since this is Kevin Conroy's last performance as Batman. They went the easy way. This whole thing should've hyped people up as part fo an event. I didn't even know this came out until I saw a video reviewing it.
The scene with the DCAU was a great scene but realistically it's not actually the DCAU. It has the same art style but is more of an emotional send-off than a canonical one. It's like the animated film Superman: Brainiac Attacks. It has the same art style and some of the same voice actors (I say some because that was definitely not Mark Hamill in this movie) but it isn't actually part of the DCAU.
It wouldn’t make any sense because Batman Beyond and The Zeta Project exists so that would mean, if it were actually canon, the DCAU had some sort of follow up story that eventually retcons these 3 movies and restores the timeline back to normal so BB and TZP can exist.
Plus even if it WAS officially that universe, all it’s gonna take is a good pitch from a writer and suddenly it’ll be back. As long as there’s a good story to tell (or money to be made) nothing is ever truly dead.
@@awesomebacon1075I mean it’s not like DC doesn’t have a ton of Crisis events that literally involve characters from future centuries just suddenly not existing anymore despite previously being established. Like Zero Hour or Doomsday
I'm actually surprised that they weren't under the same stipulations as the Arrowverse's crisis. They were only able to use all the toys if they put them back in the toybox when they were done. It really shows how low profile this was and DC's current perspective on previous projects.
Agreed, this should've felt like an epic event. This would've been the time to feature characters from their previous animated shows/movies. To take a risk. To go out with a bang.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp the arrowverse crisis with it's very limited cast choices and budget "felt" a lot more epic despite being a live action tv show....
Their multiverse was deleted but other multiverses still exist. If you wanna subscribe to the notion of an omniverse which is a multiverse of multiverses
I'm pretty sure the DC Omniverse describes it as "the Comic Multiverse is over here, the Live Action Multiverse is over there, and the Animated Multiverse is all the way over there."
I think it's a story about how all of these stories end. But our journeys with them still matter and our journeys with other newer versions of three characters will carry the spirit of what came before
Exactly! I think the main message is how none of these universes last forever. Even if we have been getting Bruce Timm movies that "technically" take place in the DCAU, the era of the DCAU is still over, and it's never coming back.
@@blackfox4138I mean, you’re right. I know you’re right. But I really don’t like that you said it out loud. And I hate you now. Because I have ONLY kept the last ounce of my sanity because I have just been telling myself “Batman didn’t go to Heaven. He just went to space. Batman goes to space all the time.😢😢😭😤😠”
@@kourtneyr.scruggs0988 Just like yesterday is gone and over those stories and universes are gone and over. But you and I will carry their lessons into tomorrow. . Batman isn't gone, he lives in the lessons you learned from his adventures. And he lives on in the spirit he inspired in people who make those new stories.
CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS was a comic book event *about DC comics in the 1980s* and all the confusing histories of the characters crunhing into one continutity. Making animated movies about this as if the basic idea is compelling on its own is...odd.
Yeah, the comic event worked because they had to merge the continuity. The other earth's interacted with each other and in some cases, comics that were canon were retroactively turned into an alt history. No one knew what was and wasn't canon. This movie didn't have a history of these universes interacting. There was no confusing history. That's why they leaned heavily on the nostalgia of older animated projects.
Not to mention that the universe that the Crisis on Infinite Earths was divided back into a multiverse through various other crises and reboots and what not.
@@WiGgYof09you know what's interesting? There's a still image from an episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold where that Batman teams up woth other Batmen from different animated shows offscreen. You see Batman(Kevin Conroy), The Batman from the the 2004 show, Batman Beyond, Adam West Batman, etc. So technically they kind of have. As well as featuring the various Batmen in other Batman animated shows, such Adam West, Kevin Conroy, Mark Hamill. They came back to voice different characters in orher shows. I know it's not exactly the same as the comics having them directly interact, but it feels like it carries on the same spirit.
The only trouble with these characters and their multiple reboots is that there is no gravity to their actions. No ENDING. All good stories have a beginning, middle and end. Also, I think we just didn’t have enough time with these versions of the heroes to become invested in them. You can’t hurry love; you just have to wait.
Art imitates life, reboots are just different generations of the class of hero. Kamen Rider and Sentai have all these generations and variations of their series with varying degrees of continuity between them, each year a series following a new series. Crisis on Infinite Earths is that send off Endgame where it seeks to provide closure to several older stories and generations while passing the torch to the next generation of Supermen, Batmen, and Wonder Women.
@@otterfire4712Youre just making shit up, mate. These Movies were nothing but lazzy cashgrabs. The Animation is mediocre at best and the Story is infantile Horseshit.
“If it has to end, at least I go out like this BEING BATMAN” it’s so fitting that these will be the last words we ever hear KC as Batman. You were truly one of a kind Mr. Conroy 🦇
When He says 1 life to save untold billions? I call that a win I go straight to this exchange between Megatron and Optimus. Megatron: Is the future of our race not worth a single human life? Optimus Prime: You'll never stop at one!
This trilogy should've felt like an event. Something to hype people up. Featuring characters from their popular animated shows/movies as part of the main cast. Honestly, would've made more sense to release it in theatres. It could've gone out with a bang, but it felt more like a fizzle.
One thing I like to think about is that John Constantine was talking to a Spectre that was more akin to the Presence in his own nature at the time than Corrigan's. He offers Constantine salvation with his step of faith into the real oblivion.
It is the finale of all DCAU series of 1990’s to late 2000’s. Kevin Conroy(Batman: TAS) have passed away but his legacy will carry on, the cast of Teen Titans(2003) are still continuing the crappy GO version but Hihi Puffy Amiyumi are not fit that anymore but still in current Japan media, and etc… The DCAU’s series of 2010’s to today are taking the spot to carry on for the next generation. Time is passing on but the legacy and memories will carry on.
I think of it more as my dad Rogelio once said, "Think of the multiverse as a body, now, imagine an entire world of bodies, humans basically. Each person has kids with another, which goes as much as it does here. Each of those persons carry on a massive amount of timlines within their own realities that make up their body. That is why say, Godzilla never meets Mickey Mouse, they are in multiple different bodies. Sometimes they encounter each other, but only brielfy, and it is forgotten. Basically, thinking that there is an entire planet of realities, Imagine their galaxy, their own universe, what lies beyond that? That's why Roger, thinking about reality, no one does it...because it can make them go crazy!" My pops is a cool dude.
I loved the Tomorrow Verse because the quiet bits make the action more impactful. I think that's the key behind all good action stories; a balance of character and action. Empty spectacle is why the current MCU is failing; after Endgame people just saw empty spectacle or dense character pieces so both audiences tuned out. Same for all failing franchises. People want people to do cool things, not action figures or complicated BS without clear investment. The problem is that balance requires planning, a unified vision, and a deep understanding of the source material if adaptation is the goal
Me too (despite of the gl movie) I feel more investment with the character for this reason. So sad many fans don't appreciate and prefer the gore action non stop from mediocre movies. Same happened with the batman and the first half of Across the Spiderverse
P.S. - I also appreciated tomorrow's verse for the EXACT same reason. Not that they're my top favorites, but you managed to express precisely what made them enjoyable for me. I'll be deeply saddened if we never see any versions of these again. It was almost like watching BTAS being dismantled on screen, and it truly tugged at my heartstrings. Then it hit me that they're "annihilating" all of them. While I understand they may not generate massive profits, they could view it as a steady source of smaller, consistent revenue. There are many of us who would always tune in, no matter what. I comprehend that the superhero genre has grown wearisome for some, leading to the emergence of grittier, more satirical content like "The Boys" and "Peacemaker" - which, don't get me wrong, I love watching them for different reasons. However, I still hold a special place in my heart for witnessing my beloved classic superheroes in their traditional roles. Occasionally, I long for content where the heroes emerge victorious, saving people and planets. Sadly, it appears that the current trend is to phase out and substitute them with characters like "Homelander" and "Billy Butcher." Why can't we reside in a world where both styles coexist in harmony? The narrative they presented implies that traditional superheroes are “dead” and the storyline I'm alluding to is widely recognized. Observing this, it seems they're advocating for a total elimination of the classic heroes to make way for a "Watchmen-esque" replacement, albeit grittier and more satirical. I understand the need for this evolution, but it's becoming a cliché trend in itself, and there's a certain irony in that which the creators may not have realized yet.
Don't worry about it. From a mathematical point of view, it's nonsense. You can't destroy an infinite number of something. No matter how much you erased, you'd still have an infinite number of it, meaning that not only do all those universes still exist, an infinite number of iterations of them still exist. The writers are thinking in terms of their finite experiences but that's inapplicable since by definition the infinite isn't finite. Besides, if Owlman is to be believed, succeeding in destroying the multiverse would simultaneously spawn another multiverse in which you failed.
Well the movie itself revealed this isn't a "true" multiverse, It's one Universe whose fabric is being stretched into numerous variations of itself. A universe shattered by Constantine...And it can't sustain it. So if it can't sustain it, then this "Multiverse" isn't truly infinite, the crisis is just the universes immune response trying to collapse it back down and stop what is essentially runaway cancer on a universal scale. The universe is also only branching via "Major" decision points, what constitutes these major points isn't known. But I think 1,000 anti-monitors can probably mop up however many hundreds of thousands of "shards" of this universe there are if only one of them was a threat to the whole. Also means none of the other properties are affected by this, just the shattered DCAMU/Tomorrowverse.
@@doltsbane that wouldn’t be a fail they weren’t trying to destroy all universes just the ones without Darkside. And if our man is to be believed, all they would have to do is destroy the Earth prime for that Multiverse and everything else would collapse so there’s still way to destroy it even though it’s an infinite number the infinite number has a core since they’re all connected
Well, there is such a thing as smaller and larger infinities, like 'all prime numbers' versus 'all numbers'. Both are infinite, but one can be contained in another. Likewise, it would be possible to remove as many unique numbers as you'd like from an otherwise infinite set, and it'd still be infinite, and those numbers would still be truly gone.
Not really. There are "infinite" universes because they constantly split themselves. This means that they aren't really infinite universes, but a growing number of universes that will become infinite in infinite timespan. every binary choice in every universe creates 2 more universes. That's a lot of universes. Doubling with every smallest fraction of time. Numbers so exponentially big that they might as well be infinities. But they still aren't. There are bigger numbers. That means that there are n^2 universes where n goes to infinity with every moment You just need to have n^3 antimonitors to spawn for every choice and destroy universes to destroy "infinite" universes. And antimonitors shouldn't be a choice in that case, but a certainty
To be honest, having a DC universe with strict rules PREVENTING multiversal shenanigans would be kinda cool. No possibility of dead characters coming back, no otherworldly ret-cons ever occurring, and maybe even an ending that waves to the audience and permanently says goodbye, wrapping up story arcs and never looking back. I don't know about you but I've just never seen the multiverse used in a good way in DC. It all feels like member-berries or excuses to retcon stuff the writers didn't know what to do with. If you want to write new or separate takes on classic characters, that can be really cool! But they don't have to keep meeting up with their previous counterparts.
@@whateverwhatever4476Bruh absolutely not, N52 made the same mistakes. Multiversalcrossovers, chock-full of retcons, all that + weirdly edgy and misogynistic stories
The reason retcons and excuses are made is quite simple. Some people don’t want to write a superhero story, they want to write THE superhero story with the same hero they like and might have grew up with. What’s more enticing to a writer? Write a story with a different version of Batman or Write a story with the main version of Batman?
I hear you, but since the plan was to basically break things down to 1 universe, then why not go out with a bang? Why not finally feature popular characters from their previous work interacting? This is the Crisis on Infinite Earth's story. It should feel like an epic event, not just another movie in the Tomorrowverse. It especially feels like a wasted opportunity because this is Levin Conroy's last performance as Batman. They will never get that chance again. It feels like a waste.
I really hope for the next story arc of the DCAMU in the Monoverse they bring back the old artstyle and focus on characters like Damian and Raven again.
Im still ticked at the lack of crossover with past universes. Like we still didn't get Static Shock meeting the Teen Titans. Also can't pawn it off as an adjacent universe because you know the intention. Like across the Spiderverse.
Excellent. These movies/media have also been with me for... decades now... I hope they find a way to keep telling these stories. And damn... to hear Conroy's voice again...
I felt like everything the heroes did was useless. The inevitable tragedy they couldn't stop. I know they tried to end in hope, but still. Left me depressed. Appreciated the video
I like bittersweet, so long as the there is a good amount of sweet to balance out the bitter, like saving the world but at the cost of a friend who sacrificed themselves. This ending is the equivalent of “your house burned down, your car is destroyed, your girlfriend broke up with you and wants nothing to do with you….but hey you won three dollars at the lottery”
Just because you fail sometimes doesn't mean you shouldn't try anyway. The heroes could not stop their reality ending but the fact that they tried their hardest to save as many as possible still means something.
Dude fr. I didn't even know this movie came put until I saw a video review it. This should've felt like an event. Something to really get hyped up about, but instead it felt like another movie in the Tomorrowverse. Imagine if they had mixed different characters from other animated movies/shows. The different styles and tones. It would've been epic.
You could say that crisis, because it happens everywhere all at once, that alot of those realities come up with a similar solution thus leading to the plans the supers have to fix everything not succeeding, it just pushed the on coming crisis back to a future point, and when that bubble pops it's going to hurt real bad.
What do you say to confort someone whose entire civilization is on the brink of death and is doing everything in their power preserve them? What do you say to someone who's doing all that plus fighting a new rising civilization, where only one can win? What do you say to someone who's fighting a rising civilization that is doing nothing more than expanding to feed it's young meanwhile your once glorious people dwindle from opulance and excess? What do you say to those tasked with saving their fallen empire and are failing?
This was actually a great ending to the dc animated multiverse. The movies, the shows, etc. I was actually emotionally invested in this one. I didn’t like part 2 that much but part 1 and 3 are gold imo.
The original Crisis on Infinite Earths was made to solve the problem of the Multiverse and put everything into one shared continuity. It worked to but it ended up causing its fair share of problems that Zero Hour and Infinite Crisis would attempt to solve.
I just hope that the question not going through the portal doesn't mean that he's not appearing in the new continuity. It definetly does for Constantine, as he doesn't exist in any of the other worlds in that multiverse, as he comes from *before* it existed.
Dc: there are 20 different continuities A writer: I'll make these all into one singular continuity! Here, have this version of events that brings everyone together then erases all multiverses to make a single universe. Dc: there are now 21 continuities Writer: ...shit wait-
"Is it worth paying pennies to make pennies?" That depends on if the venture is maintaining or hopefully growing the fandom. Comics are also considered cheap, "throw-a-way" media that might make you money but most of the time you'll just get by. There's value in that for experimental work, testing the waters to see what can work and keep your most involved fans stimulated while bigger things are cooking for the mainstream. So I hope these animated movies will continue as they can do more than make pennies.
"Value" is a myth. Nothing is "worth" anything. Nothing we organisms do is "worth" the energy we "spend" but we do things anyway because that is what life does, it consumes and grows and experiments and fights on.
I just now finally watched part III. It was dope. My head hurts but it was dope. I don’t think it deserves such a shitty score. I’d give it a… 7/10. Maybe my score will change after a rewatch or two.
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i appreciate what you said about quiet moments in these movies. I just wish the animation wasn't so stiff. especially batgirl was hard to look at for me.
Iirc, the DVD sleeves were meant to spell out DC Universe if you put them next to each other. They never even got to the point you could have enough to do that.
I like how after the original crisis there was an earth 2 Superman, superboy (prime) and Alexander Luthor outside of the main universe. I also liked the Deadman/Supergirl Christmas story. I’m hoping this interpretation still leaves room for those comic plot points to be possible.
I wouldn't mind a video about "Batman: Mystery of The Batwoman"; it debuted as kind-of an anachronism, since it was after Batman Beyond had ended and Justice League had a 2nd season roll out.
If they decide to just hold off on making another animated universe for a while and just adapt some stand alone stuff for the foreseeable future, I think I'd prefer that. I love seeing them play around with different animation styles, allowing different actors take a shot at the rolls and all that. Maybe after some time they can decide "Oh that style worked really well in that one movie, NOW we're ready again for another extended universe, let's use that."
Whats interesting is. Shows like batman the animated series. Superman the animated series, JLU, super friends, teen ttins and many others exist ONLY because flash reset the universe in thr 2020 movie. Meaning all those shows despite coming out years earlier are AFTER justice league apocalypse war. But newer shows like harley quinn, my adventures with superman and batman caped crusader are all in the new universes created. Ik it should all be a prime universe. But its fun to think about.
I sure do hope this in a ways reset the Animated Universe and they start a bit of a more follow-able multiverse, hopefully being able to combine the new James Gunn Verse as well as the new DCAU including the new MAWS
Even Cartoon Network's cartoons had crossovers, multiversal in a way at the end of their run times. Dragon Ball has Dragon Ball Heroes "multiverse"/Anime/Game... even if quality of them may be low, it's a circle of life.
I think DC was just trying to clear the board for James Gunn's DCU since the animated side will be canon to the live action shows/movies like Star Wars.
1:21 H-Hold on, hold up I A! After like 10yrs since the show ended we get 1 cameo. Nah nah nah Dc knows we were waiting for this, come new movies or a series with the Green Lantern team searching for I A
Just watched all 3 parts I loved it I wish we got to see more referenced universes like the 2004 The Batman Or a little more of Tas And at the end i wish we saw some of their other new lives besides wonder eoman but hers being the final was fitting it was all lovely The way John believes he will go to hell and how death says maybe not Or my favorite part Is the fact that Question on principal decided to die with the old universe That is respect worthy
I'm perfectly fine with all the multiverse coming to an end. It's been overused at this point and if they at least stop with all the universes merging or crossing over while still allowing for different versions to exist (ie elseworlds), I'd be fine with that.
I’m curious why they decided to adapt Crisis because the intent of the comics was to eliminate the confusion of multiple versions of characters and to centralize the DC universe. But this adaptation didn’t really fulfill that purpose because as you said there are still other unconnected DC animated series out there
Restore the Multiverse in full. Bring every planet back to life. We need alternate universes for stories we want to see. Anything is possible with comic characters. DC tried to create a monoverse once before, and it didn't work.
The idea I choose to accept is that all those other earths, teen titans, JLU, all exist in a separate multiverse where darksied never existed. The idea that even when the most evil of evil doesn't exist, people are still, heroes. That it was not through a series of events due to a very evil looking baby existing that lead to these heroes existing. That's just me though.
6:47 Depends how you look at it? Like you could say the current DC Cartoons show take place BEFORE CoIE PT but I think your right away. Like the olds shows are erase but we still got new DC cartoon shows with their own universe anyway. Even then if the multiverse really means the multiverse then we should factor in the comicbook multiverse aswell no?
This could also be seen as an interpretation of our current world. Just like all the DC writers invented so many versions of so many different characters, so we did with all the inventions, the technologies, the commodities that we have today. Giving some of those up seems like a terrible thing, like letting whole universes disappear, but by franticly holding on to everything, we're progressing towards the end of everything (not the universe, just our species, but still). If we're actually going to save ourselves we have to give up some of those commodities, and sadly there won't be a magic moment when the end is near but a magic solution can fix everything. We have to prepare in advance, or it will soon be too late. What breaks my heart most is that there are two main blocks of people. The older ones that don't really care or don't want to accept that our world is coming to an end, and the younger ones, that have sadly accepted it as an inevitability, since all the power is in the hands of those that won't do anything about it. The end is coming and fewer and fewer people are fighting to prevent it...
It'd be difficult for them to make more movies just because it seems they're running out of material: they've already done pretty much all the big, famous events and crises from the comics that I'm aware of... honestly making a movie out of a 1985 comic event was a bold move to begin with.
The only problem I had with the tomorrow verse is the editing of music in the films. Like in pivotal moments their would be no music or music that would be in random scenes.
I think trying to strike the DCAU destruction as not canon because "Darkseid is in it" is a little bit of copium. That's very clearly a continuity error. And disregarding the clear intent of the scene as a continuity error also kinda means disregarding the entire movie, since it's also based in the contiunity error that the DCAMU was not in a Multiverse. It was. It appeared in Teen Titans VS Teen Titans Go!
