@@Texasmade74 it is only now that I see your question 😅 But no, I don't worship anything (nor do we know much of how it would have been done in the past anyway) but I might offer some beer to Ukko on Midsummer for example :D
Lalli should be a Finnish Saint. Dude came home to find a bishop had robbed his wife and him from their winter supplies. They would have starved during the winter, if Lalli didn't go and get the food back.
I think he is seen more as a hero these days. Definitely more than in the middle ages 😅 Tuomas Heikkilä has written a book about it. Has some of my illustration too.
They used the same tactic against us hungarians a 200 years prior to that. Our word “ördög” means a type of evil monster in our onw forgotten mythology but today it just means the devil.
A splendid video, as always! It's indeed quite annoying to speak of Finland when there was no Finland, or it was just a tiny fraction of the land southwest (now called Finland Proper). Having watched a whole bunch of history videos over the years and written dozens of comments, it's bothersome, to say the least. It gets old to always write something along the lines of "the area now called Finland". Thus I won't blame you for taking the shortcut. It doesn't even cause any misunderstandings, after all.
It's true of all nations. There was a time when no borders existed. Most countries have changed names & all have changed who lived there, at some time or times. I wish people would just understand this. It IS tedious to explain that of course we know too & are just using a place name that indicates an area. 😂
Historiallinen puoli kertomuksissasi on ihan hyvää ja videosi ovat todella mielenkiintoisia. Tosin oma subjektiivinen kristinuskon vastainen kantasi näkyy näkyvästi läpi. Itse ajattelen, että harmi että Venäjä ei saanut syvemmin juurrutettua pyhää ortodoksisuutta koko suomeen, mutta kunnia Jumalalle ortodoksinen Kirkko edelleen on suomessa ☦️🇫🇮💪
@@Anttimation joo jokaisella saa olla omat mielipiteensä. Ja jokainen saa myös tehä sellasia videoja ku haluaa. Mut Ihan vaan vaan vinkkinä et jos haluat mahdollisimman uskottavan esityksen historiasta niin sen tulisi olla myös mahdollisimman objektiivinen eikä pitöö sisällään vanhvoja mielipiteitä ja kannanottoja. Muuten ei länsikään ole yhtään sen parempi. Ja uskonnottomuus on nimenomaan modernia länsimaista rationalismia jonka propagandaa suomen koulujärjestelmä on tukenut jo vuosikymmeniä.
Ihan rehellisestihän se kertoo. Ei keskiajan kristittyjen teoissa ole mitään juhlimista. Ensin pyydät objektiivisuutta, mutta sitten kutsut koulujen rationalismia propagandaksi. Ei selkeästi ryssän tukijalla paljoa päässä liiku.
Thank you, Antti! I am laerning so much I didn't know I could learn, like Tapio drawn as a tree. I was raised with animism, but when I had tried to look this up in English as a kid, there was nothing available on even Ukko. And what sources there were for history were from a Swedish or soviet viewpoint, not Finnish. I am finding meanings for symbols my grandma could only say were protective or good luck, but not their names, or tell me why. And I am grateful to nearby cultures for putting up sources that led me to find this but this is what rings true to me. I have found a couple of things that i just always felt but hadnt been taught outright, or pucked up from grandma but didn't know were cultural or didn't know had Finnic terms, like väki & haltija.
@@WildWoodsGirl65 wow thank you! That is great to hear and proves that there's some point in making these :D the image of Tapio is my own idea. I don't believe there was any single truth to how our ancestors pictured the deities and creatures in their heads, as lore too varied regionally and there was no unified "pagan church".
I’m Hungarian and my name is Lajos, but my nickname is Lali and it’s pronounced almost identically like you said it in the video! Lajos is considered for an old traditional male name in our culture and same applies for the nickname Lali. It’s truly interesting to see and hear about these historical moments that shaped today’s Finland and the history and language (sort of) we share.
eikä kristin uskonto ole ''vapauttanneet'' suomea vanhoista uskomuksista kusten ei myöskään irlantia. vanhanhat uskomukset pysyy tiukasti kansan perinteesssä,. kuten saunatonttu ja maan väet. Not even a Christian's sword can break us We will fight forever Now our songs to the gods are refreshed So raise your glass!... - sahti waari by turisas
I just love the realistic cloths armor weapons fortresses etc. I used to be really into swords and castles and stuff, i even have gambeson, dude gambeson needs more love its so cool
5:10 I always find Christio-Pagan syncretism really interesting, I recall the Teutonic Knights who fought the pagan Prussians, Balts and Lithuanians (and kept fighting the Lithuanians due to not trusting their conversion due to previous incidents), slowly incorporating pagan practices, including separating a portion of battle-loot to be offered to God, and mercy-killing the injured on and off the battlefield.
Cheers! It's been delayed quite a bit. First I moved to Greece a year and a half ago and now moving back. Been busy with work the past year and the opposite this year so hunting for projects... It's about 80% done though and hopefully out by the end of the year!
My Grandma Saari (who had a BornAgainPagan bumper sticker on her truck my whole childhood) was first generation Finnish-American. She was my closest family member. Her parents and her dads brother invaded Michigan. Then after they had 8 living kids they move to California around 1950. But, they moved to Quincy where there is still plenty of snow, fir and pine so they could be loggers. I'm only 25% Finnish but that's the most out of the 10 other "nationalities" I'm told I'm a mutt of. I was raise more over with the redwoods and ocean. But, I would go visit my more Finnish family as a kid. We even went ice fishing New Years day 1999. Wake up when it's dark and go hangout on a frozen lake. I don't know, it seemed sorta Finnish. Anyway, could you do one on the history of the Sauna? Have you done one?
Ristiretket, pakanauskontojen hävitys ja noitavainot on kyllä semmoisia asioita jotka pistää kyseenalaistamaan että onko kristinusko edes pyhä ja hyvä uskonto. Millainen jumala antaa ihmisten tappaa omissa nimissään kokonaisia kyliä. Laumojen hallitsemistahan tuo on. Pistää kuitenkin veren kiehumaan, että hyvää tekevät tietäjät, myrrysmiehet, noidat jne eivät saaneet jatkaa (virallisesti, joskus siitä joutui oikeuteen ja saattoi saada rangaistukseksi kuoleman pahimpien vainojen aikaan) kansalaisten auttamista ja parantamista vaan siksi että koko kansa piti saada liekaan. Mietin usein että miten kuinka monimuotoinen ja luonnonläheinen monikin eri kulttuuri saattaisi olla tänä päivänä ilman pakanauskontojen hävitystä. Mitä traditioita ja asioita meillä olisi (juhlapyhät aikalailla tietysti samat, kirkkohan nekin omi) jokapäiväisessä elämässämme, näkisimmekö maailmaa myös enemmän hieman henkisestä näkökulmasta? Itse pidän muinaisuskontoja todella mielenkiintoisena aiheena ja kansanuskomukset ovat toinen joista on hauska lueskella. Sori tämmöinen kärkäs kommentti :D
Kiitos kommentista! Ei haittaa ollenkaan :) Täysin samaa mieltä. Koitan edes hiukan rajoittaa omien mielipiteideni sullomista videoihin, niin kristinuskon kritiikki rajoittuu lähinnä vitseihin.
Tuohon on yksinkertainen vastaus. Jumala ei hyväksy mitään murhaa. Jumala antoi ihmiselle vapaan tahdon, jotta ihminen voisi olla oma yksilö, harjoittaa moraalia sekä lähestyä Jumalaa omasta tahdostaan. Ihmisen pahuus on vapaan tahdon hinta. Mikään murha ei ole moraalisesti hyväksyttyä kristinuskossa, eikä ole ikinä ollut kristinuskolle. Jotkut hölmöt saattavat tehdä väärää Jumalan nimessä, mutta se itse on suuri synti, "älä käytä väärin Jumalan nimeä".
Muutenkin ristiretket ja pakanauskontojen hävitys on kristinuskon näkökulmasta hyvä asia, niin pitkään kun ketään ei murhata tai kenellekkään ei tehdä muuta pahaa tai pakkokäännytetä. On muutenkin järkeenkäymätöntä kutsua kristinuskoa epäpyhäksi tai "huonoksi" uskonnoksi, koska kristinusko itse on kristillisessä yhteiskunnassa ja kristillisessä perinteessä pyhyyden ja hyvyyden määrittäjä.
Kiitos tästä videosta, kaptionit ovat aivan oikein ja tosi hauskaa. Ovatko loppuväriset ruotsalaiset, vai vain taiteellinen? En ole varma, vain utelias.
Kiitos! En ihan ymmärtänyt kysymystä 🤔 Tarkoitatko sinistä ja keltaista? Ne on siksi, että näyttävät hyvältä, ei Ruotsin takia. Mutta sopii sinänsä kun Ruotsin vallan ajasta puhutaan.
we often learn about how the Lithuanians are Europe's last Pagans . How ever this is not so , the eastern Finns of the Volga region = Mari , Udmurt & Mordvinia's are in fact the last standing . Half of Mari are still practicing there ancestoral faith = Chi Mari Yula , while of the other half most are syncretic practicing both religions . They still have a priesthood the Karts & practice there religion in sacred groves . The Udmurt's are largely Christian but there is a small Pagan minority .
We had a band of Udmurts playing in high school and telling about their culture. It was pretty cool. Much of the studying of Finnish mythology was/is done by comparing it with that of the related peoples'. When it comes to the last pagans, I guess we are usually thinking from a present day nation state point of view.
Finns (like most other Europeans for that matter) were divided between different tribes during that time, but there still existed some sort of common Finnish cultural identity already during the Merovingian period (8th century). So calling these tribes Finns is not really wrong.
@@Anttimation Well, all these tribes had the exact same origin anyway, and the tribal divisions happened within the area that is now Finland. Finns arrived at Finland’s southwestern coast from northern Estonia. Some stayed in southwestern Finland, some went north to Satakunta, Ostrobothnia and southern Lapland, and some went east to Tavastia and Karelia. Later during the Middle Ages, some peasants from southern Tavastia and Karelia went to the Lakeland area in eastern Finland to settle these sparsely populated areas at the request by the Swedish crown who wanted to expand the territory of the realm as a buffer against Novgorod/Russia. Later during the 1600s, there were also migrations to Ingria from the Lakeland area. This is at least how I understand it.
@@vasara2385 Yes, it is the history of these ancestors of ours that this series covers. I'm not disagreeing with you at all! To add to the soup, and another why I say it's not entirely correct to say Finns in the context of Iron Age/Middle Ages is that 'Finns' is often used in the sources but sometimes refers specifically to Finns in (today's) Finland proper, sometimes to Sami/Lapps etc, who at the time didn't identify as one people although from today's POV we could (justifiably) say so.
Of course I am! 🤘 I'm not saying the story is false - I just haven't seen the source. Also worth noting that in medieval Swedish texts, 'troll' refers to a shaman/witch rather than a monster.
This is a rather accurate narrative of Finnish history. The anti-church agenda makes it less professional, however. Colonialisation and conversion happened, and that is a historical fact for good and bad. It took place some 1000 years ago, so you already by now you can have some objectivity vis-a-vis it.
Thanks fir watching and commenting! I will try to be more objective re: church when religion is no longer a sacred get-out-of-jail card and excuse for horrible behavior in society :)
Looking at the horrible things church has done in its history is looking history objectively. Hiding your history isn't objective in any way or form. If you feel you are ashamed of your christian history, perhaps there is a reason for it, turning blind eye to it won't help in effort not to repeat those mistakes in some other more modern form.
It should be noted that becoming a saint (on paper) is actually quite easy so long as you die doing something “in the name of God”. It’s more about WHAT you become saint of after you die. Best example is poor St. Polycarp, literally set on fire, doesn’t die from the 3rd degree burns, is then stabbed to finish the job, then he gets christened “Saint of Dysentery” Oh to die for such an honorific title…
This seems to resemble the story of Adalbert of Prague who was a Czech bishop sent to convert Prussian pagans. Asked to leave he refused and was murdered, later to be martyred and be used as a pretext for military expansion into Prussian territory. Looks like that's just the typical christian move.
Interesting! I've read countless times that Henry's story resembles other European martyr legends that are essentially propaganda, but rarely do I come across such legends. Thanks for sharing!
@@Anttimation You are welcome! This one is actually considered to be factual (and it was the late 10th century so I imagine a bishop of Prague would have held a significant influence). These tensions would have resulted in bringing over the Teutonic Order to these lands, which would shape the southern Baltic region politics for centuries to come. These guys were playing their own game of thrones, spreading enlightenment (terror and exploitation) to pagan Prussians and in less then 100 years pretty much entirely pacified the population and built dozens of castles throughout the area. They even launched raids against the Lithuanians who by then would have adopted Catholicism as their state religion, but the Teutonic Order knights would have considered them bad pagans nonetheless (it was a lot of fertile land though, so). I can definitely see more similarities between that and Finnish history! I really had no idea until I watched your videos! :D
The ancient Finns strongly identified with their tribe. This is evidenced by the fact that tribes would have their own specific material culture used to identify them as a member of a tribe. This isn't specific to Finns but the prevailing trend in all peoples, even Sami identified with their tribes as they do today. The Finnish tribes warred with each other well into 1500s which means those people clearly identified with their tribe first.
Kiitos. Juu voi hyvin olla, ja varmasti on tapahtunut paljon uskomattomampia asioita kuin osaamme kuvitella. Mitä kauemmas mennään Suomen historiassa taaksepäin, sitä vähemmän yleensä tiedetään varmasti.
kolmas ristiretki on ainoa josta löytyy tukevaa todistetta, toisesta löytyy Erikinkronikassa pätkä jossa historioitsija kirjoittaa kuinka "ruotsalaiset olivat innokkaita kokeilemaan aseitaan pakanoita vastaan, ja näin luulen käyneen" kun taas muut eurooppalaiset todisteet ristiretkestä kuvailee ruotsin kuninkaan alistaneen suomalaiset niihin aikoihin, joko vannomaan uskollisuutta tai maksamaan veroa
King of what? The historical inspiration for the Bible's Jesus character was some insignificant doomsday prophet that one could find twelve in a dozen back in the day.
@@Anttimation King of you bro. Accept it. The dozens of executed messiahs back in the first century amounted to nothing. Their followers disbanded once their guy was dead. There was something different about Jesus
Is the Swedish-speaking population of Finland descendants of these invaders? They have unique Swedish dialects that aren't spoken anywhere else in the world, such as the dialects of Närpes and Jakobstad.
The Swedish dialects on the north-western coast of finland are most unique in the fact that they are a timecapsule into what written and spoken swedish language used to be several hundred years ago
