My lad is waiting on one of these. This has been a great review. Using the DSLR really helped with fall of shot. It’s best behind you looking down range.
Thanks. Really good value RIFs in my opinion. We’ll carry on with the DSLR when possible, we were a bit surprised at quite how good a picture it captured. :)
Brilliant vid Tom. The DSLR footage was spot on! Great angle, it was really useful (and oddly satisfying) to see the trajectory and consistency of the bb's and it remained impressively clear even at those longer ranges. Instantly gives a good idea of how each bb weight behaves :)
Yeah. I would agree. There were angles there which really helped demonstrate what you were on about. Appreciate it was a faff but I think this was one of your best range day video yet
It’s not too much of a faff with the DSLR. Just needs a bit of minding. The target cam is suitable for some episodes but not all and we can’t always do it.
How you have 11,000 subs only I have no idea! I initially watched your TWG review and it was one of the most comprehensive and amazing reviews I've ever seen. I'm thinking of picking this RIF up and this and that video have been amazing helps. You disseminate a lot of information in a very clear, concise and easy to understand manner and are able to demonstrate a gun's ability with impeccable presentation. Really love the format of the videos and the style! Keep it up!
Thankyou. I’m not controversial or quick-fire editing low quality content enough to be popular in the RU-vid airsoft scene. This is really an educational channel but it does punch quite hard for its weight. There are a lot of people in the industry that watch it.
Recently 'discovered your channel - the algorithms didn't suggest it to me before! Working my way through your back catalogue - a good varied mix of content, and subscriber numbers slowly going up. Keep up the good work.
Great video. Camera angles are a really big improvement, but i do understand that safety comes first, so when the archers are on the range i will understand! again great video.
I have bought and upgraded this gun with good results so I think I should share for anyone who wants to buy it. All this gun needs is a full sr25 cylinder for heavy bbs, an o-ring nozzle, a maple leaf bucking and a decent barrel preferably a shorter one than stock. Before the upgrades this gun was shooting 470 fps on .2s and 315 fps on .36s which means it was losing a significant amount of energy with the heavier bbs. Not exactly ideal for a DMR. After the upgrades while keeping the same spring fps on .2s increased to about 510 or more and to 380 fps on .36s. That meant I also had to downgrade the spring. Now I am getting better performance than stock on a weaker spring (SP130) :)
Great video mate, you should do more videos with effective range and accuracy on the guns you review. Poeple often wonder what's that gun like, will I have a range advatange? Your work gives them the answers they need. 👍
@@AnvilAirsoftTV yeah I did watch almost all of them, I order my gear and guns from them, quick delivery, never had any issue. I also own a CM. 098, great value for the money.
This is a great video. nice to see as many variables controlled as possible. The shots you missed left and right were probably the wind. Only observation - not having a go...these shots are not flat and so in a wood land site would be very difficult to land shots. Every time you took a shot you would be looking for a tall slit in the foliage to account for the rise and then the fall of the BB. If the hop was set to flat you might loose 10 meters range but you would then only have to deal with holdover. A great video though and I look forward to more.
Thanks, there is generally a fair bit of gusty crosswind at the range though it was pretty light on that day. The camera height, holdover and distances shot in this video can give the appearance of overhop. I generally either set the hop for flat flight or with a small kick at end of flight. If people want to shoot/zero at shorter distances and not use holdover then that’s up to them. I’m a pretty good judge of range and I do very little extreme range firing when playing so it’s not an issue for me. I rarely shoot at anything over the effective range of my replicas anyway to minimise the amount of BBs that I’m lobbing at people :) and I like the challenge of running real capacity magazines these days. I’ll do a video soon on holdover, range and hop settings for different scenarios. By the way I liked your Cheat Calling video. A good visual guide to why what you think might be happening isn’t.
DSLR was the best. It is better looking over your shoulder and seeing the BB flight. Range cam you can see the Hit but not the flight. Scope cam you said was broken and was SH*t... Nice to see the range difference after the R-hop etc upgrade. about 5 - 7 meters.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV can be very deceptive in game play especially if the player shooting at you is doing short bursts. You hear one lot of bbs hit what ever your hiding behind you poke your head out and bang there was another volley of shots behind the last. 😂
@@matthewbradbury2259 Unfortunately the opposite is more common, you start shooting, people hear your gun and by the time the BBs get there they have already ducked.
I picked up one of these just before the last lockdown. I've R-hopped it too and 0.4s seem to work best for me as well. I've tried 0.43s and didn't notice much difference for the extra expense. The SLR view works well, it's good to see the flight path and how much hold over/under you're using.
I’ve talked to a few chaps on Reddit about theirs and they’ve settled on .40g BBs as well. Thanks for the feedback on the camera. That seems to be the consensus.
Thanks for the knowledge. To comment on the videos, the POV camera and the camera on the side of the targets were the most helpful. While you look cool shooting at the table...the camera angle of that was the least helpful. Nice job and keep it up
Hmmmm... My Matrix SR25 with all of its upgrades, is now set for 1.85j tested on a .32g BB. I'm using a Prowin clone rotary style hop up, a S-Hopped, Lambda 6.01x407mm and a Modify black flat-hop bucking. I am regularly and effectively reaching out with the .32g BB to 75 meters. With a bit of extra hop I can get those same .32g BBs to land mid way up a 6ft tall fence some 89 meters away. I wouldn't call that effective range, but I can consistently do it. I need to test it with some .40g ammo. Hoping that will add a bit more accuracy to that flight. Thanks for an other great range test!
You could totally go heavier with that power. Our effective range test is 50% of shots onto a small torso sized target. The attacksense targets aren’t much bigger than a rifle rated plate.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV I have some .40g BBs, but not a lot and the cost is pretty prohibitive. I used my DMR today at a local field with the .32s. The gun ran amazingly and had some wonderful range. Once I got to a more center-left of the field I started to dominate a very large area and that allowed my team to move our flag up to the flag plant spot and keep it there. It felt very good to help my team that much and move the enemy much further back to stay out of my range, which means I was WAY out of their range. Effectively winning the field position game.
Good and exciting test. By comparison, i am shooting around 1.6j with my MWS, I have switched a bit between .36g and .4g and for the most part I prefer .4g. So I ended up a bit with the same weight as you, about the same Joule. I have tried .43g a few times but do not think I win anything with the low Joule. Hopup rubber = Modify X-range bucking
Another good video Tom. I liked the new camera angles. My warped sense of humor might would have my spotter with a GoPro on and try to "catch" the bbs and call "hit". Just kidding, though I have used my sons and a field marshal or two as a ranging tool in the past. LOL Rifle looks great. Any other upgrades planned?
Good vid mate, dlsr was best veiw, could easily see flight path, looked to be excessive amount of hop to get the range rather than a nice flight trajectory and a little bit of rise and dip at end of flight path 👍
Thanks BBs don’t fly that flat. It’s a very common misconception. Especially if you are trying to get them out to any sort of range and have a zero set there. I’m using some holdover to make the distance and also bear in mind the camera is mounted higher than the shooting position. All of which contributes to the appearance of over hop. When I set hop for a new BB weight I sight down the side of the replica against a dark background and increase hop until I get that very slight rise at the end of flight.
Any idea what barrel length it currently has? I was trying to work out if the energy loss was because of the hop or undervolming. At what range did you find you had to start holding over the targets? Basically, where does your point blank range end? The spotter cam is helpful, but I would say only for long range (60m+) demonstrations, especially around BB flight/demonstrating spin decay, etc. The scope cam was alright, I can see it working best at assault ranges but it wouldn't have been worth anything without the attack sense targets. The over the shoulder cam was far better than I was expecting, that's definitely something I'd like to see again. All in all, nice work, it's great to see this kind of quality coming through.
It's now got a 450mm in it, but it came with a 550 stock. However CYMA have put a vented cylinder in it so it's probably still a bit under-volumed especially for the heavier ammo. I'm guessing that they've tuned it for somewhat lighter ammo than .40g for the general market. I'll switch the cylinder and possibly nozzle out as part of the next stages which will be to try and increase accuracy and constancy. Regarding ranges, It's zeroed for 60m, I have to hold under at 20-40m, hold on for 40-60m and hold over up to max range. We were also impressed with the Over Shoulder Cam footage and it's not too much hassle to do which is good when you have limited time to film. A big 200m lens and proper sensor is going to have a much better picture than a scope cam which have a fixed focus, I do have the option to go to 4K for more pixels if needed but that burns memory space and batteries! We'll switch to that instead of the spotter cam in the most part. The spotter cam will be useful for accuracy episodes and the scenarios you've outlined. Plus as a backup!
@@AnvilAirsoftTV a ported cylinder on a v2.5? That's certainly a choice, something I want to do, but still weird. They're probably trying encouraging people to use 'heavyweight .25s' in their guns. That's not bad on the zero options, I need to sit down with my rifle and some paper targets to properly zero. The only change I'd make is trying a higher frame rate with the target cam, for BB weight/flight demonstrations, but that's extenuating circumstances.
Strange, you must be slightly telepathic as on the recoil videos I was just thinking it would be great to have a camera down range by the target. Great work
I was really hoping for better results as i was looking to buy one. My CYMA CM.040D shoot about the same at 60 meters with 0.25 bb's and 1.2 joules. Granted nothing about it is stock, except the barrel.
Hi there. Just found you and happy I did. The range tests, the max range being 75-80 meters is cool and all but what range would you really be aiming for at a game?
Would depend on the site and fields of fire really. I’ve had this out to 75-80m down a track before for harassing fire. It’s most effective around 60-70m where people aren’t expecting you to be in range and able to hit them. I can track BB flight through the scope effectively as long as there is a decent contrast background.
Cool videos, it's a shame everything is at such low jules, I know that's how it's in the U.K.. would be fun to see with a 2,8J DMR like with my Umbrella Armory gun or my MTW To see what kind of range.
Great video, teally great to see the bbs hitting the target, but i cant help feel that ifvyou can get an effective aeg shooting 60m at 1.14j then dmr isnt worth the hassle.
I’ve got shots out past 70m with a 1.14J AEG. Personally I agree and how often will you get the opportunity to really use that range? I’ll take this up to the equivalent of 450 fps on a .20 and see where we get too.
Nice video. So a few questions. How do you program it so you can’t use full auto? Did you replace the spring? How easy is it to do these upgrades? What was the total cost?
It came to me semi auto locked. The spring comes out the back of the receiver so pretty easy to change. There’s a video I did for for TaiwanGun over on their channel about it all. Cost wise I didn’t know as both the barrel and replica were supplied to me free of charge.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV if you were going to make your own dmr rifle (not a gas blow back). What would be your suggestion the best budget friendly/ performance gun (with suggested alterations). Thanks guy
Super J' ai le même joint OP hup changer Monster Maple leaf en 70° Polissage canon d origine Réglé a 400fps en 0.20g Utilisation de bille en partie 0.36g
@@AnvilAirsoftTV For thé joint it approuvés thé distance ans a little précision for thé barrel it us thé original cyma one that i have polishing insisté with a mirror finish thé air Glow passes better insisté ans thé FPS IS lowered
greetings, very good this test, perfect with all the details presented, I really liked the painting of the gun, I have an Ares M110 SR25 and I will do a similar painting and send you a photo on Instagram of how it looked, congratulations, see you later!!
What kind of energy do you recon the bb's are still carrying at the extream ranges? Will it still give a fair slap, or will players likely not notice it in the heat of battle?
Jo (spotter) said that they were still coming in pretty fast when she was down at the end of the range. I couldn’t quantify energy though. She normally has to try quite hard to see and hear AEG BBs at end of flight so that’s encouraging. It probably depends on how much armour they have on and how aware they are. Partly why shooting at extreme range is normally a bit of a waste of time.
That could be interesting. I might try a comparative trial between an AEG and DMR at different ranges and see where they do the same impact to a bit of paper/card.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV that would be brilliant! I'm always curious when guys moan about people not taking hits if it's because the hit player is really being a cheet, or if they genuinely couldn't have felt it at 70odd yds!
I did a video a while back where I was shot at 50m with an wearing a plate carrier and helmet. I genuinely couldn’t feel a lot of the hits. You have to be very switched on to hear them.
I know this video is old but i had to point out the elephant in the room. You gun Needs! Proper shimming and maybe better motor alignment it sounds very screechy. If your going to build up an aeg then theres certain fundamentals that can greatly increase your overall performance. Lots think you have to spend a tone of money for improved performance but just some decent skills and a little bit of time and money you could have your toys performing beautifully. I have built toys with short barrels that are capable of out shooting most others dmr builds with just using my brain and some simple math.
As said in the video this is a progression from a previous review video using a stock gun from CYMA. It’s not intended as a ‘look at my amazing DMR that I built video’ the screechy nature is largely down to the mic but just like most stock guns could indeed do with a tune up. That wasn’t the point of this or the previous video.
Yes I’m well aware. However the majority of people know them as DSLRs so it’s a lot easier and faster to describe it as such. I did think about this before opening my mouth. :)
@@AnvilAirsoftTV thanks, any you can recommend? Also thanks for the reply to a rather old video :) your review did persuade me into going for this version
It’s a v2.5 gearbox with extended cylinder. This one is ported and I’ll be changing it out eventually. Barrel is a lapped 6.05mm diameter, 450mm long. Stock it comes with a 550mm 6.03mm
The reason why you're dropping power is your interview is under volumed. If you want Hot 4/8 you need a 363 mm inner barrel. I actually have one because I was trying to use 45s and I wanted a 390 mm in apparel but since I lack the tools to cut them without ruining it, I decided to get a 363 which can also hop 48's withoutbpower loss. I just don't want to use 48 because cost and avaliablolity. You jave ti find them. Because few comanies go beyond a .32. hpa is your best bet. They make some the heaviest ammo. Bls goes even heavier if you kkow where to look. But if course deathzone makes .68 ceramic and you better have 1 hell of a bolt action and have $200 because they are $3.33 a piece
It’s got a ported cylinder. No idea why CYMA put one in other than they were thinking about fps with lighter BBs. It’s once been sold on to a new owner. Thanks for commenting.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV and with .35? Did you test it? I bought a SR25 but sold it to a friend he putted all Prometheus things and so on but i think i never got to use it...it was with 1.3J and i think i pretended or Fired some Shots with 0.30bbs
