Not making a statement about BJJ vs Wrestling. If anything we wanted to showcase how incredibly effective wrestling can be when you understand a little BJJ. It’s simply a title and a thumbnail that gets people to click. If I posted this video with their names or a different title, it might get 100 views in a day. With this thumbnail and title it’s gotten over 11,000 in less than a day and because of that more people than every know who these men are - compared to if I just named it “Mikey England vs Austin Baker”
@@subspectrumbjj I'm pretty sure the title "190 pounds wrestler vs 240 pounds BJJ brown belt" would get the same or even more views. At least there is an underdog to root for.
Based on how your speaking, it comes to sound that your a wrestler, who feels attacked. I know how you feel, because I felt the same. But you have to understand that this isn’t about which one is better. Both are very effective, however, wrestling tends to favor the feet, and BJJ favors the ground. It went exactly as expected. I wrestled for ten years, and I’ve done BJJ for 4 months. It proves how effective it is. Please understand that this isn’t about which one is better, it’s about a really good match between two different grappling backgrounds.
As a jiu jitsu fighter i agree. It has given jiu jitsu a bad image over the years. It is a ground fighting art so you should learn how to take it there.
@Shaun K running isn’t all about knowing how to put your shoes on, but its pretty damn important to do first. I also don’t think that anyone implied that grappling is all about takedowns. Its just something you should know.
@Shaun K If you can't take someone down, what control exactly do you have over them? I've trained both BJJ and Judo - takedowns are essential for the real world to apply your BJJ.
@Shaun K there is a reason why you don't see a lot of butt scooting in MMA; even though MMA doesn't directly translate to the real world, it gets a little closer than more restrictive sports.
I wrestled D1 during the mid-90's and rolled with a Jiu Jitsu blue belt. Most of the time, I thought I was winning until I was trapped. That was a humbling experience.
I was a horrible wrestler in high school. But i do good against blue belts. But thats because i knew self taught submissions. My first day of Wrestling practice i was 105 pounds and choked out a guy that was 215 in about 5 seconds. I was disappointed when i was told thats not allowed in wrestling
Personally as a state champion, I usually cap out against brown belts. I know my few self taught submissions and wrestle cautious so I don't get caught in something. I usually try to roll in to my Kimura or a front face side choke with like arm pressure (idk I'm not a bjj guy).
@Mason Ferris that's true. I went to a judo gym one time and almost everyone their was a black belt. I destroyed every black belt but one. We were about even, but he also trained at other places for a long time before that. I was submitting everyone else atleast twice in 2 minute drills
There’s a lot that went into his ability to defend that choke. I speak on it briefly in the commentary but would love to dive a little deeper into an explanation about it.
We would never allow it and Mikey would never do that. He wants to compete against and beat the best. With a little more Jiu Jitsu experience I believe he could do really well in the ADCC ruleset.
@@subspectrumbjj I appreciate that mindset. There was a money comp that I'm not going to name. The white belt winners were MMA fighters and a D1 wrestler. I've been to past comps with Judo black belts and such competing at white belt. I just don't understand it.
I enjoy facing better fighters as a white belt. Our gym throws us to the wolves and forces different levels of experience for all of us. The wrestlers are savages,
Those are the comments we love to see. These videos are not suggesting bjj is better than wrestling or vice versa. They’re to show that all styles of grappling can be successful when used in the proper sequence. It’s those that can put it all together who will be Champions! Thanks for watching and interacting positively in the comments. It means a lot!
@Arrgh Jay If those top level BJJ guys ever try to start an MMA career, they’re going to need those wrestling basics. Just like you said - absorbing what is useful in each, which was what Bruce Lee said. He was right all along.
@Arrgh Jay it is absolutely a problem and something even I experienced up until the last year or so. I can tell you my game improved dramatically after implementing more wrestling and leveling up the intensity of the practices that I coach to be more like the wrestling practices I had in HS.
Wrestling takedowns and control can nullify a lot of BJJ. Size differential can really nullify a lot of wrestling. There's magic in the blending of both moment to moment.
@@keanenfulton4696 train wrestling first, as a kid in youth league. Then BJJ when you get a little older, 16+. The foundation in wrestling is far superior.
@@yusufgta4341 I'm not sure what you mean. I said train both... but for kids, train Wrestling first b/c there's a built-in network of youth Wrestling leagues across the US in every public school nationwide. BJJ is still niche coast to coast. Both are great for different reasons. Wrestling for power/controls, BJJ for finishing.
I grew up wrestling and transitioned to BJJ after high school. Wrestling gave me a really great base to get started in BJJ. Forever grateful for everything I’ve learned about technique and life on the mats.
Can you reccomend a RU-vid channel that shows how practicioners of each style can use skills and technique from all the other grappling styles to fill the gaps in their grappling game?
Wrestlers who have experience grappling with BJJ students who have their basics down - generally have respect for it. The people who show disrespect for BJJ - are the ones who have zero experience with it.
There was a massive weight difference between the two and anyone who has any experience in wrestling or grappling knows how hard and exhausting it is when the other guy has 30-40lbs on you
Really appreciate that man! I love doing commentary and while I still feel like I have a long way to go to become the commentator I believe I can be - it’s nice to be recognized for doing something right 🙏🏼
No doubt. I broke down some of the things he did technically to escape in another comment and plan to do a video breakdown during the month of June! Thanks for checking out the video and dropping a comment for the algorithm! 🙌🏼 helps the channel and the athletes in the video out more than most people realize!
Well timed and executed sweep from the bigger man - Austin Baker! Mikey got a little overzealous in that position and paid the price. Excited to see a rematch between these two at some point down the road!
As a wrestler absolute respect for the jiu-jitsu guy going takedowns with the d1 guy. That was a superb performance. Obv a blackbelt should beat a d1 wrestler with little to moderate experience in grappling. The way the jiu-jitsu guy baited him into getting out of position was art. There's so much that can be learned from this video and I'm sure the wrestler enjoyed the experience
Exactly why this is one of my favorite matches in the archive. You really get to see a lot of great grappling between two guys with completely different backgrounds. Just a great match all around.
@@АлександрАлексей-т1ф I don't care much about the weight and neither did the wrestler. The results would be very similar if the weight was the same. A d1 wrestler with not a lot of jiu-jitsu experience has little chance against a black belt. But a purple or brown belt d1 wrestler should be able to stop a black belt 6/10 times
After wrestling and doing gi jiu jitsu I learned very quickly how important both are . Most importantly developing a hybrid . Learned a lot from the judo players as well . They have submissions and take downs you wont find in BJJ .
Judo takedowns are such a great tool in the clinch their submission could maybe also surprise a pure bjj or wrestling guy. It's important to know all 3
@@erickirschenbaum2804 Yep , I was never an expert at any of these but I know all 3 . So it really helps when you're going up against higher belts or wrestlers that can practically hold a freightliner down .
This is amazing just goes to show what happens when a wrestler dives into rolling. Division and Olympic wrestlers are a whole ass animal in themselves.
No stupid questions man. Thank you for asking and giving me a chance to analyze the position to give my opinion about why he would have done that. In that position if he begins to address the choke, his hands are occupied and unable to be used for anything except defending his neck. Austin was already sliding off the back and although the choke looks deep, if Austin cannot maintain the chest to back connection, it’s very unlikely he will finish the choke. Austin committed to the choke instead of the seatbelt giving him less overall control. The position and movement of Mikey’s shoulders is already disrupting the chest to back connection that Austin needs to finish the choke. Because of that shoulder movement and positioning he can dedicate his efforts to fighting the hook coming over the top and to his far hip because without that hook Austin is unable to regain the chest to back connection that is required to maintain control and finish the choke.
BJJ guy was bigger stronger taller and was able to just lift the wrestling guy when in dangerous position.. good sportsmanship great competition.. keep it up guys you both are high level
I feel like modern BBJ already incorporates lots of wrestling moves and principles. It's a great combination. Takedowns + submission = beast level. Of course if you are gonna be in the MMA, aside from tackling and submitting, you are gonna need to learn other styles that utilize punches and kicks.
"I feel like modern BBJ already incorporates lots of wrestling moves and principles." BJJ comes from Judo, Japanese jujitsu, and Catch Wrestling. Esai Maeda was a Catch Wrestler, in addition to being a judoka. It is my understanding that later on, Carlson Gracie integrated wrestling into his version of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. Additionally, Rolls Gracie took up wrestling and he probably took content from wrestling into BJJ.
Regardless of the opponent - Austin is a high level grappler. Showed it once again in our most recent even taking Submission victories in all six matches along the way to capturing our Advanced Gi and No-Gi Absolute titles 🏆🏆
Lachlan Giles does this in one of his free RU-vid videos. If you're really interested, let me know and I'll figure the link + timestamp. And yes, it's a really nice move.
"That sweep austin went from sidecontrol on bottom to top mount in mid air.." If he initiated it from the receiving end of sidemount, then it is not actually a sweep, but an escape.
Probably very little we didnt try any submissions I'd love to see these divison 1 wrestlers train in submission wrestling The outcome would be very different
Most of these video headlines are misleading. Almost all of the matches the guys train at jiu-jitsu gyms but might have backgrounds in other martial arts. It is click bait.
Mikey is a stud and D1 wrestler. At that level those guys are “black belts” in base, scramble, hand fighting, escapes, pins, takedowns, grit, explosion, conditioning, mental toughness etc. they are used to no gi handles. Mikey is also an up and coming mma fighter. A smart grappler and a great guy. I’m a fan!
Really good friendly match. While Austin did great and has really good submissions, I was very impressed by Mikey’s takedowns on the big buy and his defense of getting out of those chokes.
@@thecasuallongsword Plus the dude has been wrestling for 20+ years and doing BJJ for 12-18 months. If he was going to identify as anything it would be “a wrestler.” The “D1” provides context about the level of wrestler that he is.
There’s probably somebody who could explain it better, but I’ll do my best. Thank Division 1 is the highest level of collegiate wrestling and includes the top 75 or so college programs. Below that is Division 2, Division 3, NAIA, Junior College, etc.
Thank you! I really enjoy doing commentary and just this year have been able to get back to doing it. I personally feel like I still have a lot of work to do to be the level of commentator that I believe I can be but it’s nice to know I’m doing something right. Thank you for the kind words and for dropping a comment for the algorithm 🙌🏼📈🚀
At this point, I have to wonder: what is jiu-jitsu? It's not a thing anymore, it's many things. Unlike amateur wrestling, which has much stricter rulesets, BJJ (and more importantly its practitioners) are happy to co-opt other styles and then call it part of their own jiu-jitsu. Wrestling techniques are now for wrestling AND jiu-jitsu. Or judo AND jiu-jitsu. Styles don't really mean anything anymore, and really have to wonder when "x vs y" will fade away as title names because they're already almost meaningless.
I think mikey would've won if body weights had been equal. But at the same time I really like that in sub grappling people are very loose with weight divisions.
Hard to say if that is true or not, but like you said, it’s very common to see huge weight discrepancies in submission grappling - especially in this bracket. Our Absolutes draw athletes of all sizes!
@@subspectrumbjj hard to say for sure yes. But that D1 status means a lot. Because even when a wrestler or judoka lacks the arsenal or finesse of a submission specialist, simple relentless pressure of being pushed, pulled, thrown and slammed can physically or mentally break a more skilled opponent. The wrestler having come from such an environment, is likely to have better raw strength and cardio too. If you take khabib for example, most his career has involved wrecking opponents with relentless takedowns, controls, trips and throws. The submissions he finally applied have never been things his opponents never knew how to get out of, but eventually they just give up.
It was just nice to see a video of a bjj guy that was willing to stand at all for once!! Excellent work for both of them in my opinion. The winner was just to big in my opinion.
Too big and too skilled. The way he set up that last sweep was beautiful. Driving into Mikey so he would drive back in, switches directions, and SWEEP!
@@subspectrumbjj he was just too big. Wth size comes strength. The wrestler could only do so much with his skills. I give all props to the wrestler, he didn't get tapped at all and he's a stud for going in there.
Can’t deny the skills. Every time he made a mistake he made him pay for it. I saw someone mentioned 65 pounds as the tipping point for an advantage in grappling in another comment which is complete bs in my opinion. If that was the case then why are most weight classes about 15 pounds except for heavyweights? I’ve always been super impressed with the body control and flexibility of high level bjj guys. Bjj is a thing of beauty at high levels. I sometimes wish they would mix in more judo and wrestling takedowns as the 3 different skill sets seem like they would compliment each other extremely well?
Our events offer over 100 divisions for athletes to register by age, weight, or skill. This is our Advanced No-Gi Absolute and it is the highlight spectacle of every event. Open weight, open rank, cash prize on the line. Everybody is locked into this mat waiting to see what might happen and who will walk away Champion. Produces some of the most exciting and entertaining matches we’ve ever seen at our events and everybody loves it.
@@cardanai of course! Thank you for checking out the video and dropping comments for the algorithm 🙌🏼 helps the channel and the athletes who compete on our events more than most people realize.
I wrestled in college and placed top 5 in the nation. When I go grapple, I usually handle the bjj guys. I just don't know many submissions. Wrestling translates extremely well.
Austin is back this Saturday in both our Advanced Gi and No-Gi Absolutes! We’ll be going live Saturday at 9:30 AM central time if you wanna tune in and check it out 🎥🔥 guaranteed to be an awesome event!
Mikey, a Division 1 wrestler with about 12-18 months BJJ experience, entered our Advanced No-Gi Absolute (open weight, open rank) and made it to the semi-finals where he faced off against Austin, a BJJ Brown Belt.
Not talking smack at all. I'm really not. I'm actually a BJJ player, not a wrestler. But watching the BJJ guy butt scooting and pulling guard in order to avoid wrestling with the wrestler, while it is a smart thing to do, it just highlights to me how the BJJ ruleset handicaps wrestlers. Reminds me a bit of Floyd Mayweather using boxing rules to escape every compromising position Conor McGregor put him into, which, in any other set of rules, would've led to a complete mauling.
He put on the clinic on the feet. And even on the ground he held his own and did a tremendous job defending the back and chokes. Especially when you see what Austin did in our most recent event - it’s truly impressive. Mikey England is no joke.
Great upload, great match. Mikey's a stud for sure. Title of the vid is fine, no need to mention weight, but you should address discrepancy in the description.
Well played match 👏 I love seeing that BJJ can bring together wrestlers, judoka, sambo and BJJ into formats where everyone can cross pollinate. I love all grappling!
Nice channel. Long time wrestler too old to start Jujitsu but starting to watch it more. How come some matches are weight classes and some are not? Do they win the weight class and grapple for event/ open championship?
As a Muay Thai and Tang Soo Do Master, this is very new to me. I really enjoyed it! To my untrained eye, they seemed somewhat similar in technique. Thanks for posting.....Bill
This is our Advanced No-Gi Absolute. Athletes enter at their own risk and know full and well they could compete against somebody much larger/smaller and more/less experienced. Mikey did tremendously well considering all of the things he had going against him. Austin is a monster and completely dominated our most recent event with submissions in every. Mikey being able to keep him off his back and prevent the submission is extremely impressive.
I don't get the belt system. I was an average highschool/college wrestler. I can't tell you how many black belts I've smoked the bags off of. I think they need to make it more rigorous, because it is not currently indicative of skill level.
The first half of the match is submission only - no points. The second half of the match points are awarded. Mirrors the ADCC ruleset which is the pinnacle of submission grappling competition.
He’s a silent assassin. Calm, respect, humble - but an absolute killer on the mats! His style has gotten a little more aggressive since this match two years ago but he still maintains a similar calmness throughout his matches.
I've always heard the jiu jitsu community is small, but I didn't expect to hear the name of someone I've rolled with as a previous competitor in this tournament, lol. Jesseray Childrey (sp?), prior to Covid he was occasionally at our school during the no-gi. He's an absolute beast. He was probably giving me 5% effort and crushing me.
would be great to see a rematch but under pure division 1 wrestling rules - it's the only fair way of these BJJ v wrestling contests, first under BJJ rules then under wrestling rules
Mikey would probably tech him. We didn’t set this up as “wrestling vs jiu jitsu.” Mikey entered a jiu Jitsu tournament with minimal jiu jitsu training and put on one of the most entertaining matches we’ve seen at our promotion. This is about highlighting an interesting stylistic matchup - not saying jiu jitsu is better than wrestling.
What would be fair to both wrestler and bjj competitors is catch wrestling. Where it either pin or submission. So could be a happy medium for both kind of grapplers.
