Rumor from sources at WDWNT is that Monsters Inc land will take over Launch Bay and the animation building. They will have to demolish a lot of the backstage to build out a full land, but it seems Muppets are safe.
They've been very Vauge about it. Supposedly there was artwork that definitively placed it there but now reports are coming in over by the Courtyard. They've even started telling staff to move their stuff out of the building
Disney should have designed an elephant graveyard land to serve as a transition between Big Thunder and the rest of Villains Land. The elephant graveyard could just have a restaurant and gift shop to sell merch from the new Paris Lion King ride. Keep the river and build Cars land in Hollywood Studios.
Someone made a really good point that at the rate of their construction, better get used to seeing walls for the next 5 to 10 years next time you visit a park.
Their rate the last couple years has been much quicker. People seem to forget how much Covid changed things for a few of the projects. Other than stuff built Over the Covid time period, things have been going up rapidly. Look at the additions in the parks across the ocean
It's hard to get excited for Disney announcements, when the past 5 years has been a streak of disappointing results. I'm surprised people are still falling for the hype, especially after they announced they are destroying half of MK
They really hid the Rivers of America announcement until the Monday after D23 because it might ruin the positive news cycle So people are still catching up to that Pretty gross I think despite all the other incredible announcements
Magic Kingdom is terrible anyways so I couldn’t care less about them demolishing it, but I agree with your point, it’s hard to get excited for Disney projects nowadays
I hate the idea of them removing Rivers of America just because Universal currently lacks any areas focused on just serenity and natural beauty the same way. Sounds like Epic Universe will be introducing a lot of garden/park themeing in Celestial right as Disney’s paving it. How are they supposed to compete if they offer no distinction 😢
The most exciting announcement for me was *Villainsland*, but that was also the most blue-sky-adjacent one... So we know we're not getting anythinggg near what the cool concept art/mood board shows, and also it's kinda disappointing this whole new land only has 2 rides... We shall wait and see in 2030 😅
And given how majorly scaled back Disney's blue-sky announcements tend to become, I'm not holding my breath on it to wow me the way Dark Universe has. I mean, just look at how the E-ticket Avengers ride was planned with a revolutionary new ride system just for the idea to eventually become one kuka arm flatride and the other an iteration of the same Amazing Spider-Man ride system we've seen before?
If some insider would claim that the Lion King land and Carsland Orlando would be Blue Sky, I would totally believe it. Some of these announcements have obviously not been quite ready to be announced.
without disney having a stranglehold in orlando epic universe never gets made either…same with the wizarding world lands.. Almost like it’s a good thing for fans to have both parks motivate one another and it’s not some weird competition for fans to be toxic over.
@@cosmicwarrior1857I think some people are failing to recognize just because Universal’s in its honeymoon period right now it might have troubles in the future So celebrating Disney’s struggles and failures is very short sighted and thoughtless to me You want both companies performing at a high level
OP acting like Disney isn’t still king until EU opens. I can’t wait for EU but Disney has been on top since the beginning. It was the OG major theme park. Without Disney we don’t have Epic. And be happy Disney pushed universal and let’s hope universal pushes Disney so we have a back and forth action to give us the best parks we can get.
The biggest, and very valid, criticism of the D23 vomit announcements is that they are destroying Rivers of America. They are taking “the park” out of MK while EPIC is creating one.
Disney is just not good at making single ip lands, for every avatar and cars, there’s two avengers campus, galaxy’s edge, and Toy Story lands. We need more tropical Americas type lands. Universal quite literally invented single ip lands and they’re soooo much better at building them.
Scott Trowbridge designed both Avengers Campus and Galaxy’s Edge He was brought over from Universal after he very successfully built the Harry Potter area However Harry Potter had a very clear blueprint to follow from the films and a decade of art direction to pull from, without a clear template apparently he is adrift (not to mention Chapek budget cutting both of those) This is probably oversimplifying but I think when he’s not involved I still have a lot of faith in Imagineering to get things done successfully
I really hope they do a Chernabog ride. I wish they would stop only building one-two rides per land, and do at least 3-4 so that there is more to do, because my bet it’s going to be Maleficent and Ursula attractions (or maybe Hades, idk) and I just want something for my favorite underrated guy
Agreed! Disney needs to take notes from Epic Universe and do at the minimum 2 rides + a show or even better 3+ rides I agree that Chernabog does need representation. Personally I know absolutely nothing about the character
@@princessravendiamond4288he's based on the old Slavic dark god Chernobog, so there's plenty of fun stuff to do with that if Imagineering aren't too restricted.
I think the best land Disney has done is Cars land. Even if you don’t like the movies it’s the closest to the immersion of Harry Potter lands. I wish we got it in Hollywood studios instead of magic kingdom. Animal kingdom and Hollywood studios barely have any rides while MK has a ton they just need to fix them.
I think the Cars ride they pitched could be incredible given the budget it’s just the choice of paving over an iconic and thematically rich location instead of expanding given the enormous space is brutal
@@camhesse1 Pixar, Lucasfilm, Marvel, ABC, ESPN, the Muppets, etc. are all going to be taken away from Disney when the government breaks it up like Standard Oil. Pixar will be an independent studio again. And the Rivers of America is not closing. All Pixar attractions will close so Disney won't have to pay licensing.
Hasn’t disney tried to rezone MK a few times in the last two decades to build a Villains land? I thought I’ve seen some public records that they have wanted to do it for a while.
Not a major par goer. But from what I understand the only major example of this was Avengers Campus and that Star Wars hotel that was always a stupid idea.
I had a thought I expressed on TikTok and it was well received. 1. Reskin rock in rollercoaster to the electric mayhem 2. Move muppetvision to the cars show area 3. Boom: new muppet courtyard, with a better ride. 4. Can demolish original space
Honestly, I think treating Disney vs Universal as a “team sport” where you can only like one or the other is just idiotic. If I like any given IP/ride I will always try to hit it up on a trip to Orlando, and if I don’t, no big deal if I don’t get around to it. Both Disney & Universal have strengths, weaknesses, and personalities all their own. Just appreciate what you like about each & try to ignore the problems. Like I said before, me & my family are just as fired up for Epic Universe as the next guy, but on our upcoming 2025 trip we still plan to add in a couple park-hopper days at Disney for Test Track 3.0, RotR, Guardians, etc. A rising tide lifts all boats.
@@YouMayKnowMeAsNateagreed disney has shot itself in the foot quite a bit the last handful of years in the parks. They are making things too difficult but he’s got the right idea outside of that.
55:11 At the risk of being “That Guy”, the door coaster in the concept art looks to be an inverted coaster like Dueling Dragons (seated with legs dangling), not a suspended coaster (seated enclosed in a gondola) like Big Bad Wolf that was at Busch Gardens Williamsburg.
Re: the wood carver convo, y'all should check out Ray Kinman. He's done several of the carved signs and statues at the parks, does private commissions (many Disney-related), and teaches wood carving.
My favorite announcement is of an announcement that actually comes to fruition. Zero confidence any of this will be built or to the level their showing us.
Overpromising and underdelivering is a great way to alienate your customers, and Disney seems hellbent on doing just that. Also, the timelines are so extended that people can't really conceive of when the projects will actually be completed. DL Forward is scoped at 30ish years, which probably means 40+ cuz it's Disney, so I probably won't live long enough to see it completed.
They should put the monster inc land and replace Star Wars launch and little mermaid. No one is ever in that area! Muppets is popular and liked by a lot. I don’t understand why they would put it in muppets and not in the Disney junior section.
Oh Disney, they've lost my attention completely. So many broken promises over decades. Show 👏me👏the MODEL👏👏 The lack of dates is also so noncommital. I love the Muppets, but let us acknowledge we love the last thing Jim Henson worked on, he was initially excited to work with Disney but I do not think Disney cares for the Muppets in it's arsenal of studio properties. I miss the days of Muppet Christmas Carol and Treasure Island (the best treasure island and I'll fight anyone over it, CABIN FEVER) and wish Disney would let them make Public Domain Novel Muppet movies. They need a movie to get Disney's attention to get a Muppet expansion, but that is a big dream. And the Muppets are really thanks to the lovers, the dreamers, and you. Let them know, silly creatures. Oh! 🥹 Give me Fraggle Rock in there too. Kids/Adult Dance party area.
I think Disney knows they can’t compete with Epic Universe opening in 2025, that’s why all WDW gets next year is reimagined Test Track, some new lounges, and a few other smaller things like the night time parade. After one year of Epic being open then Disney will stagger all the new lands/attractions one per year for 2026, 2027, 2028, etc.
The big issue with that is universal will also be planning opening new lands and attractions the following years. Talks of Pokémon, Zelda, monsters of black lagoon. The difference is universal has shown they are able to add something new every year
Monsters, Inc. land should be built off Sunset Blvd next to RnRC. The entrance would cut through the middle of Sunset Ranch Market. Muppets and Launch Bay should stay, at least for now. Unfortunately, WDI hasn’t been very good with land utilization in their parks, especially in DHS.
I think the creepy thing about Walt but not Abe is that Lincoln had no concept of this animatronics, obviously, but Walt pioneered the tech. I feel like if he had ANY ambition to be represented in that form he would have expressed it in his lifetime. Also if its anything like the cgi Walt at the Franklin Institute, they made him too weirdly perky!
Honestly there is going to be so much gate keeping going on but I am not really mad about any of it. If I could rely on Disney to keep their word I would say villains is my favorite but just purely out of trying to not have my dreams crushed I cannot wait for monsters. My son loves cars so they better do them justice! Although he may be cars-ed out by the time it’s finished lol.
First with 3 new area being built in Florida (not counting replacing dino land) I feel they should have just announced a new park to compete with Epic Universe Second now only is Villians land a clear response to Dark Universe but it is also basically going to be a Decendents land (Ille of the lost or whatever it's called in those movies)
I think the Tomorrowland redo hadn’t been announced yet because they don’t have enough ip to fill the land. I don’t think anything original without ip is even in the works, it’s all got to have ip with the current management.
Hoping Fantastic Four can fill the void, it’s retro futuristic inspired by the 67 aesthetic and will be a big hit I think also they’re holding off on that so it’s new for the 75th
I know Disneys new MO is throw IPs in everything, but I feel like tomorrow land doesn’t need that to expands since its whole schtick is “ideas of tomorrow.” You don’t need IPs to fill that out.
The thorny roller coaster in Villains Landbalmost looks to have pretty boxy track, almost like a wooden coaster diving through the thorns. It would be nice to have a classic styled woodie in Disney World, but I also doubt it would hold up well in the Florida heat with year round opetltations. I mean, there's absolutely no way they'd put an RMC I-box coaster in the middle of Magic Kingdom. They simply would never cook up the biggest, baddest, most intense ride experience in Florida and use it to flagship their new land. I mean, such a ride would have to directly compete with both of its neighbors, Iron Gwazi and Velocicoaster, two of the best rides to ever exist, meaning it would need to be a top 10 coaster to even be in the same consversation as them.
The Monsters Inc. land has me curious, but no one is saying two places that could be used. 1. Beauty and the Beast Theater. Yes, it'll look ugly seeing a five-to-six-story building in front of the entrance and blocking the view of the Tower of Terror. There is a decent amount of space there, if not for monsters, but for another attraction. 2. Backlot Expres, Indy sung show, back stage, and parking lot. If you expand the park by a few spaces you have a massive amount of room similar size of Toystory. This could be why we see the water tower from Rizzo’s in the background. The question comes, will they touch Star Tours? I hope not, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Ian needs one of the following: A. Eat a Snickers B. An SSRI C. A hug I hear enough complaining from my 6 and 12 year old boys. But it’s funny how when it comes to Universal, they are excited to tell you the exact size of the bolts being used on the Donkey Kong coaster track, but when it comes to Disney, they sort of maybe know a little bit about the news and rumors, but they don’t really care. Definitely my go-to source for all things Universal, but definitely gonna skip their Disney stuff from now on.
Looking at the villains concept art, there's the rollercoaster on the far left, and on the far right theres a building that's vaguely Haunted Mansion looking. Big Thunder is supposed to get a full refurb around the time they do all of this. I'm starting to think they're going to retheme BTM and make it part of Villains and no longer part of Frontierland, and same for HM from Liberty Square. Knowing how cheap they keep being, they might not even add a new ride, just dining and merchandise between the two rides. They'll then retheme Frontierland and possibly Liberty Square into A New Orleans Square/French Quarter themed land which includes Tiana, Country Bears, and Hall of Presidents. Cars will just fall in the middle as a random mini land.
I totally feel the "I don't care" about the Cars stuff. Never cared for the franchise so it's disappointing to see a land dedicated to it in Magic Kingdom. I also hope Muppets stays.
The announcement just came down today from Busch Gardens Tampa, the last day to ride The Scorpion roller coaster will be September 2nd. Not a rumor it is confirmed, love the channel keep up the good work.
Disney: Yeah...our fans keep asking us about that stupid villians land for year. Its still stupid. Universal: Hey...at our new theme park we will have a section based on thr classic Universal villain monsters. We hope you like it. *Dark Universe gets 23 billion views* Disney: *spits coffee* Ok, here is a comepletley new idea nobody has ever thought of for our park...VILLIANS LAND!
@@zarajenkins6948how is it negative when it's the truth? People have been wanting a Disney Villains land *for years* at the parks just to be consistently ignored, but then it only gets greenlit after Universal makes huge waves with their Dark Universe land. It's naïve to act like it's personal bias.
@@cosmicwarrior1857aaaaaand who is doing that here? Criticizing Disney for pulling the trigger on an idea people have been wanting for years _only after_ Universal makes the Dark Universe announcement isn't picking sides. It's pointing out *reality.*
@@blumoon131 I don't want a villains land and we're not getting a villains land. We need less IP and want old things brought back. When I take over Disney and make it great again, that's what will happen.
Disney's constant need to expand MK over the other parks really astounds me. They really want you to spend a week at WDW,, but spend the entire week at MK at this rate.
My Top 3 by excitement! 1) Villains Land 2) Avatar at DCA 3) Monstropolis HM: 4) Coco Boat Ride 5) Walt Animatronic 6) Avengers E-Ticket 7) Mando to MF:SR
That's why I'm not excited for it at all. The original concept pitched an innovative ride system, but now we're getting a flat ride that takes up so much space and an e-ticket attraction using a ride system that's been done before. I was really hoping they would flex their muscles with this Avengers ride...
@themeparkstop Can yourselves as Florida residents please start initial discussions with the division of historical resources to preserve the Muppets courtyard as a historic place. Unsure how the new oversight board works but feel it should be discussed at the next meeting. Many thanks
I hate to see Tom Sawyer Island get filled in, the Liberty Belle riverboat adds so much charm to Disney world and holds some of my fondest moments from the park as a kid, worst decision Disney has ever made imo.
@@zarajenkins6948I think it’s ok to be disappointed by the Cars thing, it’s incredibly marketing-driven, cynical and theme-destroying 50 year old art pieces (and the way they announced it was very underhanded) But it is also funny to be upset given there’s like 6 E-tickets on the way
@@zarajenkins6948 Stay away from Disney parks, you're not welcome. P urists only. When I take over Disney and make it great again, the parks will be stuck in the twentieth century where they belong.
Well, as someone who lives in Shanghai, I would love to have the villains, Coco and Avatar. Me and my friends hate the upcoming spiderman roller coaster because it's stuck in the middle of dwarfs, pirates and Zootopia, which makes it really weird. I mean, any other concept that has natural views would do for me because it blends into the background, but not New York City. And what's frustrating is that this shows Shanghai is just keen on building things that attracts people to make money instead of bringing stuffs that really add to the park.
I remember saying back the year they announced the Moana ride for dinoland right before d23 I said, “so we’re all expecting an Indiana jones ride for dinosaur right?”
I just listened to a podcast interview with Josh on the WDW Radio podcast and it seems like the Villains Land is further along than we think. He seemed genuinely excited about what they’re going to do and what they have planned. My guess is they want to save some announcements and details for next year’s destination d23.
For the Walt Disney animatronic, it seems like it’s one of two possible reasons why they’re really doing it. They’re either doing it from a place of genuine respect and want to immortalize Walt in his original park, OR they’re compensating for all the classic attractions they’re erasing.
I think it’s just to increase the attendance in Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln since it’s now seen as a bit dated (without closing it and causing an uproar)
I still think they could keep Little Mermaid while making Animation Courtyard into Monstropolis. Move the entrance to the theater over by Walt Disney Presents, then put monster facades on the side of the building. Once they demolish Disney Junior and Launch Bay it opens up that space to be big enough for a full land. Especially if they move the footprint back into the small parking lot and the old animation building. Nothing says the show building for the coaster has to be on the same plot as launch bay. It's plenty of space if they move those walls back.
For your wish of Coco it was far along as a phase 1 and the location was on a section of land West of Big Thunder Railroad. If in the future it can be purposed for it, however it will be a completely different attraction and not the boat one coming to DCA in order to tend you to visit both coasts for different experiences.
1. Villains Land 2. Tropical Americas 3. Coco at DCA I'm very excited about everything that is happening at WDW and is very much needed. I hope that there are no budget cuts and that everything goes as planned without any unexpected crises. I think they should consider removing AC, Echo Lake, Indy, and Star Tours, but I definitely want to keep the Muppets.
The Wrap just posted an exclusive story that MuppetVision is toast. And as much as I love this channel and Alicia, add me to the list who’s tired of hearing the objectively bad Tiana ride defended on theme park channels.
I love encanto but I think it should have been a zootopia land. Animals are timeless it’s a concept that future generations will know even without seeing the movies. I don’t know how timeless will encanto be.
@@solcarlosofficial Yes. Moana is 8 years old and is the number 1 streaming movie of any streaming platform. Number 2 is Encanto. After nearly 3 years. Zootopia is older than both and doesn’t crack top 10. This is coming from someone who absolutely LOVES Zootopia but Disney’s best animal IP is still Lion King 30 years later.
@@il100374 Yes but Encanto came out during a pandemic and made an immediate impact on Disney + and streaming. You’re comparing apples and oranges. Also I’m pretty sure the idea of Tropical Americas and the encanto theming in this new area is to have animal exhibits from south and Central America. Also I’m pretty sure the ride is going to heavily feature elements from Antonio’s Room which is a rainforest themed room full of animals.
I would take a Muppets move and rebuild in the Racing Academy building and then re-theme Rockin' Roller Coaster to Electric Mayhem. Make that who area the new Muppet courtyard.
13:28 I believe you are absolutely, 💯 without a shadow of a doubt correct that this attraction is using the tech from the original Quinn Jet attraction concept. Exactly how you’re describing it. I refuse to believe otherwise.
9:34 Flatearthers of Florida be "at"ing Alicia like....... > I'm with you on the Avatar land. I love that it's not a completely same land like Star Wars was. > I am stoked for Villains, but I really just think Villains land should be a new park (Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I know about infrastructure and Disney can't manage 4 parks, I just think Villains should be a park, not a land). I really hope it's a villains mirrored version of Fantasyland, but then again, the villains that make the most sense would be the ones we see constantly used, especially during Halloween time, so I don't see some of the lesser villains being utilized and not even many of the newer ones. Chernabog, Malificent, Ursula, Evil Queen, Queen of Hearts, Cruella, Jafar, and even Hades stand out to me, with the lesser chance of seeing representation for Dr. Facilier, Scar, Gaston (at least in ride form), or Yzma, let alone anyone else not mentioned. > I'm absolutely excited about removable kuka arm ride and really wish I could be on the team to learn how that's going to function safely and repeatably so it's not Tiana as a superhero ride. > I'm more curious than excited about Tropical Americas. I'm sad to see Dinosaur go, but knowing a lot about mythology, I am curious to see if the mythical beast is more Kulkukan (the feathered serpent), or the Jaguar god of the dead type of direction they go. It would be great to overlap the real south american exhibits with this Disney storytelling into the ride itself, but I doubt that will happen, too. It's still Nahtazu.... it's ZOOtopia, not Zutopia.... > Cars I'm saddened by but excited by. I feel sad we're confirming the loss of literacy in Florida (and loss of water), but the idea of it being kindof a 4-wheeling ride could mean it's a more exciting version of Radiator Racers. > Definitely STOKED for the doors coaster finally. It's well overdue! but that's it's downfall: it's overdue, and since we live in a generation of "new, now, next" cancellations I don't see the longevity of basically most of the announcements overall. I hope I'm wrong on that point! I think the Walt animatronic is great, I'm just sure that what is *actually* happening is they are unfreezing his corpse and then inserting wires and gears and making a FNAF attraction at Disneyland. (runs away from the claws and daggers at this dark joke). Definitely on board with the Disney is Universal.... but Universal has become Disney (or might be). Probably because all the Imagineers are part of Creative (or retired) and all the Creative is now Imagineers (or retired). meanwhile, this guy just sits here feeling lost at ever getting my career going in my lifetime. Sigh...
Only hardcore fans truly care about stuff like this. That’s less than 10% of their audience tbh. The time this is completed and open for 5 years everyone would’ve forgotten and not care.
@@ParksWithMarkso autopia and cars land. Reskin autopia with AI cars big eyed cars and a little more like Test Track automated sections with some relatively high speeds where the cars talk to you. Get rid of gas and go electric.
@@ParksWithMarkit’s not about the popularity of the island and riverboat. They weren’t just attractions. They contributed a lot of atmosphere and kinetic energy to the park that marks the heart and soul of Disney. Disney could have easily done something tasteful to the island that wouldn’t have required destroying the river and ruining thematic cohesion. Cars is inappropriate for haunted mansion, liberty square, and Frontierland. Furthermore, they desperately need to EXPAND, not swap things out.
Love you guys! So Villain's..Imagine a Cruella Deville clothing store! And you know you are gonna have the witch from snow white potions and candy store. Jaffar or Hook should have a trinkets store and there better be A Nightmare before Xmas store. I just hope they also include Dr Facilier somewhere. What would be the bar??????
I agree with all your perspectives and analysis across your platform. Except one major thing. I’ve been on Tianas and it’s a huge turd. Keep up the good work. The best theme park RU-vidr!
@@jaywilliams8608 What is your basis for that? I didn’t say one thing about why I feel that way. You just projected and made up your own assumption. Ignorant.
@@jaywilliams8608 What is your basis for that? I didn’t say anything about why I feel that way. You made up and projected your own idea for what’s behind my opinion. That’s ignorant.
