I dunno man, I agree this album is really sugar sweet and has some ridiculous lyrics, but it's just so damn catchy and fun to listen to. It gets over the top and ridiculous but that's part of what's so fun about it. It feels playful and I can't help but smile whenever I listen to it.
he doesn't mention how amazing will swan is. he is the heart of the band. you just don't hear too many guitarists like him. that's the reason they've survived so many line-up changes.
Holy shit I hadn’t heard that band for years. I was 13 and I went and saw mcr in Brisbane Australia and in the line up was circa survive. They blew me away
I wouldn't say that Circa Survive and Dance Gavin Dance are really comparable. Circa Survive is more ambient and ethereal. Dance Gavin Dance is very tight and focused. If you like Circa Survive though, check out Hail The Sun, especially the latest album Mental Knife. The singer is very similar to Anthony Green.
The two opposites are what make it so amazing to listen to. The cleans are clean to the extreme like you said, and the harsh vocals have been perfected to sound just as that, harsh. Tillian's voice cutting through them and soaring over the music is beautiful.
the guy who screams for dance gavin dance actually saw this and when asked about it just said "i have no idea why anthony would review this anthony doesn't really like our genre anyway" also on my own note anthony actually just complained about the way they go back and forth from screams so clean but thats what a chunk of post hardcore does normally
@@CrunkPartyBitches i mean its not really a necessary aspect but it is very common. Plus dance gavin dance is barely post hardcore so you cant exactly review it just as that. Its a pretty terrible review honestly. And i dont say that as someone who thinks fantano is an idiot
This review initially put me off this band. Three years later I checked them out properly. Anthony put me off one of my new favourite bands. These dudes are amazing - complex, aggressive, poppy, catchy, mathy, and mind-blowing. They never get old, have had their albums on repeat for like a year. PLEASE GIVE THESE GUYS A TRY DESPITE THIS REVIEW IF YOU HAVEN'T, CHANGED MY LIFE
I never listened to DGD before this album. this album actually made me a fan. A 1 out of 10 is way off in my opinion. I also think the singing melodies are a strong point becuase they're creative and different. sometimes people here something creative and think "this doesnt sound right. this is bad" also, did you mention Circa Survive as a band you arent into? that would explain a lot
I find it really interesting that you didn't mention a single thing about the instruments, which is, arguably, the strongest point of DGD. It was just "tight." I could see where the cleans could be over produced and annoying, and the screams have never made much lyrical sense. The "clashing" of the two may come off as repetitive over the course of the album. However, I don't think that the album warranted a 1/10, lmao
That's what happens when you have an idiot whose range of music IQ is bottom of the barrel hip hop music, and wants to criticize the validity of the lyrical content of Dance Gavin Dance. He seriously said that the only lyrics that made sene were the clean vocals. Since the first album, DGD made it a staple to make all the harsh vocals completely incoherent. The joke is literally on him 😂😂
@@cornpop3315..... But that doesn't make it good. I'm a huge math rock, posthrock, emo rock and metal with gutteral vocals but DGD just doesn't do it for me.
@@cornpop3315 I will never understand why people are so butthurt about Fantano's reviews, why does it bother you so much that he doesn't like this album? I don't think it's a 1/10, but you seem to think you're the authority on what is good and bad... AF never said his opinions on music are correct. He's allowed to hate this album. It doesn't make him right, it doesn't make him wrong. Just like your opinions, which I'm sure if you made a video detailing your opinions on music people would clown you too. Chill out and try to understand what an opinion is.
@@jackdavid8616 Because he has a huge following and reviewing something that you absolutely have no IQ on is just a huge diservice to the band. His opening dialogue about the history of post hc was alarmingly incorrect on so many levels, which proves that he was not suitable for reviewing this. It's basically legal slander off of sheer stupidity.
I agree 100% with Anthony on the DGD review I’ve never really got into them thought they were pretty awful But I absolutely agree with you on Juturna!! Such a great album! I still listen to it a couple times a year now
Juturna I'd say will never age for me I still hear it to this day loving every track I mean fuck were all thieves, stop the fucking car and in fear in faith will never fade for me
Post-hardcore switches between screaming and clean singing, and in other news, water is wet. C'mon Anthony, try harder man. Eagles vs Crows is beyond tightly performed, and interestingly enough, Will Swan, the guitarist who screamed in the first line up raps that verse. Also, Jon Mess' screams aren't throat shredding, he has impeccable technique and is one of the most consistent live screamers I've ever seen. I will concede on Tillian's voice being nasally, but that's not a bad thing. The departure from hypermasculine vocals kind of makes it a pleasant mix, and let's everyone be honest, that Evanescence comparison is more over the top than the production on the vocals. I give Anthony's review a 2/10.
+Matthew Stevens Will swan screamed in the second line-up, Jon mess was the original screamer, just didnt record on happiness because of health problems :) now you know DGD4L
DGD has been my favorite band since WISIRO and I agree eith his review. Me and my former bandmates loved DGD as musicians who needed something this hard hitting. You do and listen to so much music, everything seems dull. But I know I can't put it on in the car with a majority of my friends and Anthony sums up exactly why. The dude knows music really well across genres and time periods, I'm glad he can be objective and blunt rather than "i appreciate all music" type of b.s.
Pressley - the RU-vidr formerly known as Vesylum he got Lyme Disease and had to learn how to scream again which is why he sounds different from Acceptance speech onwards. My source is a Facebook post from Jon a while ago that I will link if I can find it
Even if this video is incredibly negative towards this album, I need to commend this video because Anthony gave me some amazing suggestions. If I didn't see this review, I would've never checked out bands like The Fall of Troy, Blood Brothers, At the Drive In, Circa Survive, and Brand New. These are still some of my favorite bands/artists of all time, so I ended up loving this negative review.
Holy Shit! A 1? These guys are super talented. I've been following you for years and have never disagreed more. The horrible Foxygen album review I agree with but a 1 for DGD? God damn. I remember learning to play guitar and hoping to be as good as Will Swan someday.
I grew up with this band so maybe I am a little bias but I thought this was their best yet. The points you make are valid, just not my opinion. Sorry you didn't enjoy it. But if there is anyone who'd still want to check the album out, I think you should.
***** I don't really think anyone should take his opinions to heart about a "overproduced" band unless they feel the same way about the production. Everyone knows he doesn't like bands like this. He's a bit biased because the production ruins it for him.
Yeah thats because everything since their first full length DBM was dogshit. DBM is the only album they ever made with the original members. I saw all the original members play live back in like 07 and it was incredible.
setyourgoals55 ...actually they made DBM2 with the original members as well. Besides, will swan does most of the music writing anyway. He wrote nearly everything on every album besides lyrics.
Why do you care about his review numbers? It only represents how he felt about hearing it. All the main juice you need to hear is in the review. This is the classic complaint people have against Anthony.
TFoT are pretty good, ATDI are defiantly god tier and so are Glassjaw. Thanks for being one of the only comments on here to not give me a massive headache from just reading.
theneedledrop so, I've been a fan of Dance Gavin Dance up until their last release, Acceptance Speech.what do you think of their release "Happiness" if you've ever listened to it?
Seriously circa and dgd is life this guy just doesnt like this genre its obvious i don't even know why he did a review, its no wonder he's been doing this whole youtube thing for years and still doesnt have a lot of subscribers.
Lord Paez "this guy just doesnt like the genre" Did you not listen to the first 2 minutes of this review?? He just mentioned like a shite load of Hardcore/Post-Hardcore/Metalcore bands, get outta here
IWANTYOUR RECORDS Yeah he mentioned alot of Hardcore/Post-Hardcore/Metalcore bands, but not really any with high tenor males. It seems he's just another one of those "ughh, too whiny for mee" kinda guys. Which is fine I guess, whatever, opinions are opinions.
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This is like Donald Trump reviewing Mexican National Anthem
Didn't enjoy Circa Survive before Blue Sky Noise. Took me a while to get used to the whiny vocals but got there in the end. Also, I wouldn't say that On Letting Go is one of the greatest albums ever but The Greatest Lie is one of the best songs ever.
I follow dgd because in my eyes they're just talented, the riffs are well executed and the vocals are hard to pull off. There live shows are amazing too. I encourage you to review Artificial Selection.
WHOOT, a 1/10...must watch this. (Yes, I have just realised I'm just a mindless entertainment consumer who craves the _instant gratification_ of extreme scores and controversy to quench my interest, over actual discussion and debate. Too bad.)
If I had to use words to describe DGD's music I'd use "safe" and "predictable" rather than "experimental" or "weirdness", but to each his own I suppose.
Its totally possible to be all those things at once. It just depends on the album and the song. DGD has always mixed post hardcore with funk, soul, pop, metal, & hip hop. If thats not experimental and weird, as a band set apart from most post hardcore, then i dont fucking know
DGD isn't for everyone, this is something we all need to get on. I like DGD really dig Instant Gratification, Anthony doesn't and Guess what I enjoyed watching this because his intake on things is interesting. You like it, you don't like it, it's your opinion and he explains why he doesn't like it, the end.
+Junnie yeah. i can see why he doesnt like it. some songs miss the mark for me. the cuddler, eagle verse crow, something new, lost. there was good parts in all of these but as a whole i wasnt feeling them. some of the screaming felt aimless isntead of having a provocative flow that i liked. i liked hearing what he had to say about it though even though he didnt have to throw it under the bus like that
SweaterPaws I know this comment is old, but THANK YOU. I'm so glad people can enjoy this album and still listen to Anthony's opinion and enjoy it. That is the beauty of opinions, everyone has a different one. I don't think this album was terrible, it might be like a 6/10 for me, but I watch Anthony not to take his opinions, but listen to him and see if I agree or not and think about the music more. Edit: The more I listen to this album the more I agree with Anthony actually. It just makes me sick to my stomach to listen to them more than once for some reason. I don't know if it's just me or what, but it just gives me a bad gut reaction when listening. I'm feeling more of a 2/10 now, but that doesn't mean I can't still value other people's positive opinions on it :)
This is dgd's worst album. Coming from a hardcore dgd fanboy I can admit that. I dont believe it deserved a 1. Maybe a 3 from me but it sucks that this is the only album he gave a listen to.
Two things: 1. Stroke God, Millionaire is fucking amazing and comes off as a red-headed step child on this album. 2. I feel like Dance Gavin Dance acts as a gateway to more progressive and more technical music in and outside of their own genre because of how they blend technical instrumentals with the heavy pop overtones that their lyrics and choruses give off. A band like DGD appeals more to casual listeners than something less pop and more progressive like The Fall of Troy would because the casual listener is more familiar pop melodies than they are with weird time signatures and unordinary song structure. Then one day they come across a Sianvar song or a CHON song and go, "Hey, this reminds me of Dance Gavin Dance". Then CHON turns into Scale the Summit and Scale the Summit turns into Plini and Plini turns into Covet and so on and so forth. Now does this style of songwriting work all the time? No. Instant Gratification outside of a couple songs is a mess even for something as Mess-y as Dance Gavin Dance. But you listen to an album like Mothership or Downtown Battle Mountain II and it works.
+Joe Vargas totally agree dude. All the stubborn fanboys giving their irrelevant opinions, they don't seem to realise that its okay to have differing tastes in music, but the thing is, nobody else cares about their tastes.
I love how people think that just because you make an album and put a lot of work into it, you can't give the album a bad score. "You can review albums, just don't give them the score you think they deserve." I'm not a fan of DGD and I don't think they deserve a one but I stand behind Anthony's opinion because it's his opinion. Your opinion of his opinion can be that it's totally wrong but both opinions are equally valid.
+Jake Peterson While I do agree with you on opinions, a 1 out of 10 is way too excessive. If you want to hear a 1 out of 10 look up the song ice cream by blood on the dance floor.
I don't know ,man. I've never heard of this band but the lashing it got from this review caused me to check them out. I definitely didn't hear a "1 to light 2". IMO this was so far off the mark that I have to question the validity of your opinions from here on out. At least from my perspective. I'm not being a smart ass, I'm just being honest.
This band has been around for nearly 10 years making the sound they have been used to playing. Their music appeals mainly to the 13-18 crowd. Their first 3 albums were great, in my opinion, when they came out. I grew out of the Hardcore genres but Downtown Battle Mountain (their debut) is still a remarkable album. Worth checking that out.
+tookedeamon Even I as a huge hip hop head believe that Kendrick's TPAB deserves the 10/10 even though I don't listen to it very often or enjoy it that much. It is unique and a very new sound done to a hip hop album with basically perfect execution. The Tupac interview was so unexpected and surprising and of course the poem was also great because it shows his stance on today's political issues. All while being in order and flowing song to song with the poem having something to do with the next song. Great features, diverse topics, great production, lyrics. A great album.
I really liked your reviews most of the time, but to hear you diss Thursday, Circa Survive AND Dance Gavin Dance in the same video just breaks my heart. I just can't abide your opinion on these bands, I think they make/made some of the most innovative post-hardcore in history. DGD are legends in the scene for good reason.
Ikr!? Circa is one of the most original bands to come out of post-hardcore in a loooong time and he disses them 'cause, "the vocals are 2 high" ugh it's not like our late opinions are going to change anything though...
+redriverhautbois They don't. Those bands, Dance Gavin Dance in particular, take influence from bands like At the Drive-In and The Mars Volta but make it poppy and sugary to the point of being unlistenable. It's fast-food post-hardcore.
Here's a shocking statistic: he's only given TWO albums exactly a 1/10. He's had several 2/10 reviews and THREE 0/10 reviews, but only TWO 1/10 review. That's right, he has given more albums a 0/10 than a 1/10.
@@ryanchain9746 that would be not good. 0/10 is something he was hoping he would be better than he thought it would be. 0/10 is like oh God... What a tremendous failure. Not good is like yeah I'm not surprised lol
Whew, that was painful. The reasons he dislikes the band are the reasons why all of us love them. It was hard for me to get over Jon Mess's lyrics at first, but now I see that the band wouldn't be even close to the same without them. They are quirky, ironic, and unapologetic on purpose, and unlike any other band right now. After the year Rise has been having, making all of their big name bands sound extremely similar, it makes me love DGD even more.
@@KJlegend18 this doesn't make sense at all...? Do you know what songwriting actually is and what it equates to? The fact that they can even be as tight as they are with as much syncopation as they incorporate into their music is beyond incredible. "Smooth brain" yourself, buzz wordy little prick.
I've been a fan of DGD since 2009 and I still love to hear their albums over and over again. The way you reviewed this album and about their artistry was far removed, like it would be from someone who reviews a spectrum of music, so for a true fan of the music it was evident how important you were trying to make this video. I agreed with, and laughed about, a lot of what you simplified them into, but I think you missed a lot of what is great about them. The only things you mentioned that were great about them was how "tight" the production and performance (?) was. I believe DGD is polishing into one of the best bands from the last couple decades.
no, we really don't need to hear some dude's opinion (please don't ask why I'm here then, just doing research for a video and wanted to see the dislike ratio)
It’s just going to be another bias opinion. He doesn’t like the style so there’s no point of him reviewing bands in this style because it’s not going to be a review based off the bands individual work
Ill be honest. The lyrics are corny at times. The rap verse is weird. *and we get it you don't like the hard-soft hard-soft vocals tony* jeez. Im a DGD fan. But in all honesty this album is at LEAST a 3. Even by your standards Anthony. A ONE?!
+drewisnew I'm pretty sure some people do, or else he wouldn't be the biggest music reviewer on RU-vid. Also, this album is straight garbage to me, so I agree with him.
I listened to this album for 6 weeks straight when it came out. this was the definition of instant gratification for me. even though mothership is my fav mow
You either hate or love DGD in my opinion. If you don't understand how the band works or where they're coming from, you won't like them. If you're an actual fan of this band, you would know that this is arguably one of their best releases to date.
Jake Abernacky so basically if you don't already have a biased hard-on for the band's previous work then you'll actually be forced to take this album at face value for what it genuinely is: bad
Jake Abernacky No it's the other way around. If you know where this band is coming from (post hardcore) then you'll probably hate it. If you don't then you'll love it.
People always told me the DGD was on of the better modern post-hardcore acts, but they always looked at me weird when I said I couldn't stand the vocals. Thank you Dancethony Gavintano for shedding light on these diabetes causing vocals.
+Zeptasom Clearly you haven't listened to either of their other vocalists, but that's to be expected from some random dumbass on RU-vid; calling something bad based on one album.
Y'know, I respect Mr. Fantano. I'm pretty sure he's a swell guy. However, from watching his videos I've realized that we're basically polar opposites in terms of musical opinion and this review is a perfect example of that fact. I've been a Dance Gavin Dance fan for quite a while now. I've dug all their releases including their most recent album to the point where this one is probably my second favorite with Downtown Battle Mountain 1 being my favorite and their self titled album being a close third. I fully admit that I'm a fanboy. However, what got my goat isn't just that he disliked the music but that it seems like he hasn't really researched the band and sort of goes out of his way to shit on it. Case and point, his critique of Death of a Strawberry where he dismisses Tilian's "I'll be your sugar daddy" line as sort of stupid and random when if you look at the lyrics preceding it they outline someone going through a life crisis with the passage, "Sick of being in my head and thinkin about my fate And worried about my health/Wanna waste away my days with a pretty young thing And blow through all my wealth". It's in this crisis that they seek the thrill of being youthful again and it's through this that they decide to have a little fun as shown in the line literally right before the sugar daddy line, "Just for the day we’ll pretend I’m made of money". It's in this way that they subvert expectations where the chorus is all fun and poppy but looking deeper reveals an edge that re-contextualizes the song. Another example of Fantano not doing his research is his analysis of We Own the Night where he again completely dismisses Tilian's verse as silly, poppy nonsense. However, if you look at the funky as fuck key change near the end of the song (my favorite part of the song) Tilian comes back and gives us this. "Call your phone and open my fate cuz I know you're so connected/ I need poison mitigate my pain/ Feel my toes go golden up in flames/ Give me false hope in my veins/ Tranquilize and modify my brain. Where did I go wrong/ There's nothing I can do the thrill is gone/ So I play these nervous songs/ Pretend that I’m not barely hanging on". This key change gives the "party party" lyrics a desperate edge. The spark between them is gone and he needs her "to drink till she believes it" to rekindle that magic. I'm not asking for much here. I'm asking that he reads the damn lyrics before criticizing them. You had your phone in the video, Fantano! Look up the fucking lyrics! I'm not even asking that he try to analyze Jon Mess' fucking out there lyrics. I'm asking that he look at the very blunt, "audible" passages from Tilian. And another thing, Mr. Death Grips fanboy over here wants to talk about unintelligible lyricism? For fuck sake, without the lyrics in front of me MC Ride's words are so garbled that I can't even tell what he's saying! And I'm not hating on Death Grips, Spread Eagle Cross the Block is my jam! I'm just saying that I don't really think I can trust Mr. Fantano's definition of "unintelligible". Again, I get the fact that you don't like the album and I can even see why. Tilian Pearson's voice isn't for everyone and their style isn't exactly the most universally liked. But that whole masochist comparison leaves me no other choice but to just say, fuck you, Fantano. You could have just said something like, "I feel like a masochist listening to this album because it puts me in pain,". It would have been funny and a little witty but when you compare fans to masochists essentially saying that nobody can like this in a sincere, artistic way made me lose respect for you. You're basically going down that path that a bunch of fucking edgelords did in the early 2000's with webpages like, "Your Favorite Music is Terrible!" Seriously, that comment wouldn't be out of place in a Your Band Sucks piece. In 2006. For evidence, this is what Your Band Sucks had to say about Coheed & Cambria's Good Apollo Volume 1 album. "This record is a festering pile of horrible masturbatory pap and if you are a fan of Coheed & Cambria, I can say with the utmost confidence that you are a bona-fide tin-eared nerd with absolutely no concept of what makes music good or bad, evidenced by the fact that you are simultaneously listening to the three lamest, dorkiest, and most artistically bankrupt genres of music ever invented, all at the same time, coagulated and mashed together into a sickening, putrid sludge of pretentiousness and idiocy by a group of people who are either too stupid to know the abominable sins they are committing against the art of music or who are evil enough to willfully package and sell what they know to be the ultimate test of consumer stupidity. Either way, you fail." Ooh boy, I just love the smell of tryhard edginess. With added thesaurus in places to make them sound smart! Again, let me reiterate, it isn't that you dislike the band that made me lose respect for you, it's the fact that you feel the need to put yourself on a pedestal above people that listen to that music. It's adhering to the angry reviewer trope that a piece of media isn't just bad, it's shitloads of fuck bad. It's physically destroy it bad. It's that trendy bullshit that I thought you were against, but apparently not. Thank you, and goodnight.
***** Jon Mess' lyrics are fucking weird, I never denied that. However, I can see the credence in the "your boat is my paddle" line because it's continued with, "your life is my business, your plaque on my wall". With these lines connected, he's essentially saying that you exist as a means to advance himself. Your "boat" is you and it being a paddle him using you to his advantage. "Your life is my business, your plaque on my wall" is another saying of this concept with the addition of, anything that you accomplish, he also owns indirectly. When viewed as a complete work, We Own the Night depicts alcoholism in its many facets. There's Tilian's bits where alcohol tries and fails to keep a tattered relationship together and Jon's bits about how you can be taken advantage of while under the influence as well as a vague description of what alcohol does to somebody. The "flicking the back of your ear with my finger" line, refers to how being drunk impairs your senses and sort of makes you a child, as flicking ears is something children do. ***** Yes, Jon's words are random when he writes them, but meaning in itself is subjective. Heck, there's people that tattoo Jonny Craig's lyrics from DBM1 because they find meaning in them even though he literally just improvised them. To them, they have loads of meaning or else they wouldn't put it on their fucking skin.
***** This has to be one of the best responses I've ever seen to an intense critique. I'm obviously a big dance gavin dance fan if you read any of my other comments on this video, but you've shown even me that there's more than meets the eye with their lyrics which I'm happy to find out are far more nuanced and meaningful than what I assumed were just happy-go-lucky fun to round out some of the more "low" or less confident (lyrically) tracks. This is honestly going to make me look deeper into their lyrical content, because I've always found depth musically, but I've typically never read too much into what they're saying.
Great comment. I never enjoyed his reviews because I always thought he was too egotistical. I'm a big dgd fan and you hit it on the head. I wouldn't mind this review so much if he didn't give it a fucking 1. I mean I understand that's his opinion and all but considering he gives other hipster "too deep and cool for you" shit high ratings but can't even respect this enough to give it over a one is sickening.
***** Hes not egotistical because of his rating for this album. He just seems like a hipser 2cool4u im so indie type to me which is why I dont watch his videos. I looked up instant gratification and saw this so I figured i'd check it out. I understand he detailed why he gave it a one, but I dont think any of his point really made much sense. I understand that it's his opinion but I think this review was completely unfair.
I love the band Dance Gavin Dance. This man does not. And that is absolutely fine. He makes some valid points about the band and their music, he has his own perspective and beliefs. I accept that 100%. But then he says some unnecessary things that ruin, in my opinion, the validity of his argument. I respect other people's opinions, I really do, but when a reviewer goes so far as to suggest that the fans of a band are "masochistic," such as he does around 6:42-6:58, that's when I lose my respect for his opinion. But in the end we all have our own opinions, and that is why I am sitting here disagreeing with this man and a vast majority of the comments I have read. I am not going to attack anyone for having a differing opinion however. To do so would be absolute bullshit. See, the great thing about music, and anything else really, is that it affects everyone differently. We all have our own favorite bands and songs, we all have those lyrics that seem to speak directly to us, and we all have that one instrumental that makes us smile like a fool. Music is amazing, and personally I don't know where I'd be without it. But that's just me. So, while I enjoy reading reviews and listening to reviews, I know that one person's opinion is not the end all be all. Thus, if you haven't listened to Instant Gratification yet on your own, I urge you to do so. You might find something in it to like that this reviewer does not. Or maybe you'll hate it. The thing is, you won't know unless you try. And you can't really have an opinion about something until you've experienced it for yourself, which is why I personally never write something off until I've given it a go. Thanks for reading!
I think that DGD are quite an acquired taste. I've been listening to them for a couple of years now, and I enjoy their style a lot! But also, not a lot of people I play them to can digest their music. As for the lyrics, you would have to listen to a lot of their previous stuff to understand what they are on about and to get their vibe. Rap parts are a classic for DGD and it just shows that they don't take themselves too seriously. When you look at the whole posthardcore ganre, I think of them as a very refreshing. This album may not be the best of their work, but still, I think they are a band that deserves an objective listening.
HOLY SHIT A STRONG 1?? I haven't even listened to this record yet but I know that Dance Gavin Dance are a group of highly talented musicians and write beautiful songs and comically ridiculous and incohesive lyrics. the first three albums are gilded in my favorite albums collection and I'm appalled that you rates this one so low. I haven't listened to it, honestly. but it can't be that horrible!! I don't think you "understand" what DGD are trying to do. they just wanna make good, listenable music and most of the time, it is absolutely just that. maybe YOU'RE just bias because you didn't like them on previous albums. Downtown Battle Mountain, forever.
I think the reason this guy pisses people off so much is because he's able to articulate his opinions very well and in a very convincing way. I love dance Gavin Dance, every single album. But listening to this interview, I am reminded of how poor some of the clean lyrics are. Not Jon Mess' lyrics, which personally I live, but Tilian's. Other than that I think it's all just a matter of opinion. The vocal styles are definitely not for everyone.
No, he just says stupid things. Lyrics make up like 25% of a song. A lot of people listen to music over lyrics, which makes this review completely irrelevant since it ignores the other 75% of the album, the music and melodies, which is what makes it what it is, not the lyrics.
Anthony is obviously biased against this kind of music and because of those preferences, the result is gonna be controversial. With that being said, this is his channel and he can give whatever scores he wants. (But seriously, DGD's instrumentals are insane, the score is mostly based on their vocals and songwritting.)
Yo dawg? Do you understand who DGD is? and like what sarcasm is? You also didn't mention any instrumentals. At all. This review made me drop a lot of respect for you. You almost made no good points. Which is weird because you normally have awesome points and tastes.
Cole Fleming Agreed. Just not his taste of music and its really obvious. DGD is pretty much one of the only bands in this genre I still listen to nowadays.
Cole Fleming Fantano knows zero about emo, metalcore, and post-hardcore. Him not liking Circa Survive alone should set off some alarms. I hate DGD but every time he opens his mouth about those genres, I immediately disregard everything he has to say.
Thursday is definitely an underrated band in the 00s wave of post hardcore. I also used to lump them in with other weak band in the scene like Silverstein or senses fail, but even as my tastes have developed over the past decade , Thursday has continued to impress me. They show strong musicianship, song writing, passionate delivery, and were also willing to push the genre's boundaries with multiple release. Have you listened to their debut, 'Waiting' , Anthony? While i think 'Full Collapse' is their best, 'Waiting' has the raw DIY charm and features Geoff's intimate yet thought provoking lyrics. I understand his voice is inaccessible, but if people would ignore their initial aesthetic impression of it, it might grow on them based on all their other Quality factors. GIVE IT A SHOT Anthony.
I've been a fan of Dance Gavin Dance for quite some time. (Since their 2nd album came out) and I've seen them progress and try new things while still keeping their roots and sound that they made for themselves. One thing that I've always loved about Dance Gavin Dance is that their songs are widely open to interpretation. Personally, I've always interpreted their seemingly random switches from clean to unclean vocals as conflicts going on in their heads, constantly battling with how they actually feel on whatever they're writing about. I've looked a lot into their lyrics over the years and a lot of it can literally mean anything, but I feel as if I've always understood what they were trying to do as artists. As for Will Swan's rap verse in "Eagle vs Crows", who's to say you can't have a little fun writing a song? I was extremely happy to see Will get a few bars in a song again. It was nostalgic, fun and refreshing to me. I feel as if a 1/10 is a greatly one-side rating, but I respect your opinion.
Agreed, will did a small rap verse on acceptance speech as well. Pretty sure acceptance speech was recorded in Atlanta which is why he did it like in the spirit of where a ton of hip hop comes from. Guess they decided to do it again.
@@mutuallysustainedhateboner1426 he picks and chooses his arguments and points to further his point rather than presenting the said information as to inform the viewer if its worth their time
The amount of dislikes this video has just clearly proves this clown wrong. Mothership deserves a solid 5 out of 5 due to the incredible musical atmoshphere. He souldn't be giving good music a 1 just because he hates the style..
HOLY FUCK A ONE OUT OF TEN CALL THE INTERNET POLICE THE BLOOD HAS BEEN SPILLED. In all seriousness though, this is another good review although frankly this score makes me want to listen to this album. Even a 2 probably would have made me ignore this release.
calypsis you can react to reviews and scores in any way that you'd like. i don't work under the assumption that because i give something a one that you yourself need to avoid it. there's nothing wrong with seeing a negative review and being a curious about the album being reviewed as a result. do what you want, my son.
EDIT: MY OPINION HAS CHANGED, THIS ALBUM IS BAD AND I WAS IN DENIAL BECAUSE I LIKED THE SINGLE "ON THE RUN" AND WANTED TO LIKE THE WHOLE ALBUM. EXCUSE MY FANBOYING. I don't really get why you reviewed something you have no taste for. Like if it was really that bad was it like, "Well I've listened to it, might as well make that worth something." I mean, personally I don't listen to music for lyrics and I enjoy the production and composition of their music. While this is definitely not even a remarkable album for them by any means and Tillian's vocals are very not for everyone, I still think it's written competently. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ probably a biased opinion because this is the only modern post hardcore band I'm into because they don't sound as horribly generic to me as really any of the others I listen to. They're no At The Drive In, but I really do love at the very least their instrumentals, which you really didn't even cover really.
Christian Vitale Thats why other peeps have to start doing reviews instead of this dude. He shits on so much quality music yet praises some horrible rap albums (and I have me some Hopsin and FlyLo btw)...you can just tell rock is not his cup of tea so he should just shut his damn mouth and not even bother. You don't have to review EVERY album that comes out.
***** Being in college doesn't mean you're not stupid, and the fact that you would suggest somebody doesn't like rock because they don't like this piece of trash album is a clear sign of stupidity.
Christian Vitale The instrumentals, for me, weren't really a selling point because they were so consistently overshadowed by these deafeningly obnoxious vocals, lyrics, and cliched transitions between these soft/melodic and aggressive moments. I think isolated moments in these instrumentals are decent, but they're clashed together in a way I find supremely gross. The instrumentals just felt desperate to create contrast between these two flavors of rock again and again and again and again. While the playing may be flashy at points, what flash adds up to just does nothing for me. And, like I said in the end of the review, I don't think it's a matter of just not having a taste for this style of music. There are plenty of posthxc bands I've enjoyed over the years, and DGD pulls direct influence from some of them. It's not like I'm completely unfamiliar with the style of music they're playing in.
***** Dude, literally every single person who disagrees with him tells him to listen to some other goddamn form of music. Rap fans tell him to stick to rock, rock fans tell him to stick to rap, Aphex Twin fans tell him to stop listening all together, what is he supposed to do?
I am obsessed with DGD, I couldn’t live without it, I listen to at least 3 or 4 songs of them every day, every album from them is absolutely amazing, and Melon doesn’t have any taste. He does not deserve to listen to the greatness of DGD, go back to your experimental orchestra hip-hop, you... shark dad.
While I do admire a reviewers attempt to critically analyze something so profoundly and give their own in depth conclusion to someone's work, I have to play devils advocate in saying this all sounded extremely bias and personal. Perspective is everything I think, as a musical theory student, I can tell you for a fact that bands like dance Gavin dance and circa survive are not your average clone of over contrasted, unoriginal artists. those genetic types tend to be lumped together so ungracefully with those musicians, it's a rather common misconception that is starting to become so repetitive and a bit ignorant. one thing people fail to see in music is creativity, how a group of people can create sounds that mesh together in like perfect synchronicity. Of course opinions are going to over shadow the fact that these musicians truly do have strong points that simply can't be mimicked by your average Joe. In fact I find I rather ironic how you praised brand new, while Jesse does process the gift of poetic language. Their instruments are truly lacking. Most of their songs are all in 4/4s signatures, most involving the same strumming patterns, the same transitions, the same chord progression. their only salvation being their uncanny ability to flow with smooth lyrics and tasteful melodies. While dance Gavin dance has background in music knowledge, time signature transition, key transitions, variety in general. circa survive has a rather strong jazz backing. I'm trying to understand your angle?
Joseph Martinez Just because they can play technically doesn't make the songs any better. What matters first and foremost is whether or not the song is good, not whether they switched from a 7/8 to a 3/4 in the same song. Essentially Songwriting>Technical Ability.
Joseph Martinez as much as I disagree with fantano, reviews are by nature biased and personal. There are plenty of technical bands that are absolutely trash at songwriting, Brain Drill and most of the catalog of Rings of Saturn come to mind. DGD writes great, technical songs IMO, but he's not reviewing the talent here - he's reviewing the music, and he doesn't like how it's written one bit.
Joseph Martinez Lol if you were actually a music theory student you would understand that even a relatively inexperienced jazz guitarist could run circles around anything these guys compose with extreme ease. That said, technical doesn't necessarily mean good.
composition and release have nothing to do with actual talent and ability. its rather ignorant how you blindly stated an inexperienced jazz guitarist could run circles around them, not knowing how much background and knowledge these guys actually carry lol. that being said most these guys actually do have musical education. in jazz guitar, theory, and composition. technicality does indeed play a crucial role in creativity and ability. lol
It doesn't matter how much theory these bands know, what I'm talking about is how much theory they incorporate into their music. There just isn't that much theory involved in their stuff. The occasional time signature shift or key change is really nothing special, even pop songs incorporate those elements of composition from time to time. So yes, an inexperienced jazz guitarist could run circles around the bands you mentioned, and very likely write more interesting riffs as well.
I think the biggest thing to understand is the line of his description "Y'all know this is just my opinion right?" I think this album is amazing. I think it's their best yet. It's the only album from 2015 I've listened to more than ten times this year… The band said themselves it was their highest first week of sales they've ever had. Also a ton of the nights in their tour are sold out… So the point is: Somebody likes it…
And I stated MY opinion about his reviews Lolol. Even still, its just very weird. It's like reviewing nothing but these kinds of bands and then randomly I review Kanye West and give it a 1 lol. Kinda silly since I know its not my thing already. Honestly would make more sense if he loved this type of stuff and still gave it a 1.
I appreciate that you're being very diverse with your reviews, but this really isn't your scene and I don't think you'd like anything that came out of it anyway, so I'm not really sure why you chose to even make this.
KimonoChrono I'm pretty sure the reason he categorically went through all of the influential xcore albums at the start of the video was to invalidate these sorts of claims. Fantano clearly knows his post-hardcore, which shouldn't be a surprise seeing as Fantano is extremely well versed in music in general. Hell, he gave La Dispute's Wildlife a 9 just a few years ago.
KimonoChrono Since you missed a vast amount of the video where he names off post-hardcore he enjoys (as well as stuff he's reviewed), here's a basic list. Drive Like Jehu, Fugazi, The Refused, Envy, Touché Amoré, La Dispute, Rites of Spring, Fall of Troy, Shellac, Hüsker Dü, Minutemen, Blood Brothers, Big Ups, and At The Drive-In (as well as Mars Volta if you want to count them). I don't always agree with Fantano's reviews (I thought Drenge's "Undertow" and Fallujah's "The Flesh Prevails" were both great, he didn't care for them as much) but don't say that he shouldn't review it because it "isn't his scene" when it clearly is. He reviews things he wants to talk about, both good and bad.
Jack Hooper There's different styles of post-hardcore. He states disliking Circa Survive, so he's definitely biased towards this particular type of post-hardcore. It's just not his cup of tea.
Well a review is usually something that you come into with an unbiased approach, you're meant to "review" an album fairly and without prejudice. thats like me coming in to a meeting to review a new xbox or something and starting it off with, "first of all let me just say that ive never played any of the previous xboxs and i think microsoft are shit, but lets continue..." do you think anyone would care about my review?
if people valued your opinion, yeah. and even though that person might not have played on a previous Xbox or might hate Microsoft, that doesn't mean that person 1) can't say something meaningful about the product and 2) can't change their mind. I'll say this review was an odd choice given his prejudices vs the genre and band, but bias and opinions are a staple of reviews. people want to hear his opinion.
Ill admit after reading my comment again it sounds stupid. Your right in saying that he's allowed review the album however he likes as as you stated, music preference is subjective. What i meant to get across is ,how you aptly said, it is an "odd choice given his prejudices". I just feel that this isint really a review and more of a "i hate this album because" if u know what I mean? Like I dont understand why he chose to put together a video review about an album he very clearly hates.
well he even states he wasn't going to do one for it so I dunno why, but opinions and criticism should be allowed regardless of how positive or negative they are. wouldn't it be weird if all you saw were positive reviews? no one with a dissenting opinion? I agree it's an odd choice to make a full-blown review here, unless he thought it could change his mind or maybe there was something redeemable. but people value his opinion and want to hear his opinion so that's what he did, I suppose.
So basically you're disliking everything that make DGD unique. Plus you make no comparison with the previous records so people can know if DGD is improving or something. I was myself doing music reviews on a website but at some point I figured out how pointless it is... It just hurt the bands and the fans for no reason. If you take in account all your critics on this band you should review CONVERGE, it is an awesome post-hardcore band
My god, never have I heard a person completely not understand a band or a piece of music, in its entirety, ever. Like you just don’t get it man, fair enough, but you completely missed the trick with this one.
@@vexedpixels Lmao thinking people that don't like the music you do just "don't get it" is a pretty dangerous world view to have. Enjoy your music pal. I'm sure there is music you don't understand the appeal of. Who cares? It's one person's opinion who just happens to run a popular RU-vid channel. Get some rest.
So, i've been avoiding to watch this review because i'm a long time fan of DGD but i also enjoy the perspective of fantano on music, after pointing that i have to say that fantano makes clear that this is his opinion, but how a judgement is an opinion? i mean, saying that this album is of bat taste is above an opinion, i can say that i don't like something, but making an establishment about what something is or isn't is more than an opinion, i think that was an aggression. I think that being able to recognize when something is good even if it's not your taste is what makes someone's opinon mature: "yeah i don't like the vocals but i think this is a solid album, there are some remarcable moments on this". It's important to not assume your opinion as an universal measure, so, nothing gives you the right to say what it's of bad taste or isn't. Anthony seems to be a very open minded guy, giving nice reviews to experimental artists and stuff, but it's pretty clear that there are some genres that he is clearly against
@inyrui ??? He explicitly said "this isn't an opinion this is a judgement/aggression". That's a statement of fact, and a wrong one given that aggressions and judgements can still come in the form of opinions. Responding "yes it is" to someone saying "this isn't an opinion" is perfectly logical in this context. I'm not really sure what your point is here, other than to incompetently apply a "no u" argument.
@@itjustworks4044 Yeah but he didn't just disagree. He asserted that the reviewer "didn't understand" just because they didn't share opinions. Hence, the Ricky and Morty meme applies here. "It's just my opinion that you don't have a high enough IQ to like what I like" lol
@@rruckman9782 it's just the pure neededrop fanboys and people who arent familiar with this genre who liked the video. The overwhelming majority of post hardcore fans known this is a stupid take.
I’m here to read the debates in the comments, this is mildly entertaining watching a bunch of idiots angry writing to a 2 million subscriber youtuber saying how he doesn’t have the right to have an opinion. This is the future.
