Danedream won Arc by 5 lengths beat a top class field and many who finished behing have since won Group 1 races so the form is outstanding. Danedream is being prepared to peak for the ARC - watch Danedream kick butt in this year`s renewal :)
Danedream is a dream, she destroyed the field in her last three races and can run on any ground. she was the best horse in the race and her winning time say it all.
I still miss mick kinane,The coolest rider who never ever panic in any kind of situation and a master of his trade.He is my all time favourite jockey and only murtagh has shades of him nowdays.There is some great oz jockey's as well with the likes of n.rawiller,c.williams,McEvoy who was quite successful at his stint at uk.Then there is some great S.Africa jockey as well with the likes of coetzee,marwing,marcus and Lloyd.i don't follow much of american racing so no comment there.
Not sneaking in a place because she rewrote the history book today with a superb win.King george and arc double is a rarity and she is a wonderfilly for sure.
@Racehorsewatcher steven arnold is the bloke who rode syt in aus and they had a great connection and your right theres no way he would of settled so far back..the winner was very good but syt should have at least made her earn it more or maybe even win it if he ran to his proper racing style.
Right its obvious after today SYT is not a great after yet another loss, but I sure do respect the hell out of it with all its desire and effort to win races, even though I do downbeat on its performance it'd only cause of the utter ignorance of the Australians, cannot fault the bravery of the horse though.
@SvendBosanvovski it favours the older horses earlier in the season in races like the king george and eclipse though, so the older horses have the early advantage but it evaporates as the 3 year olds grow in size and experience during the season
All credit must go to the winner, that was an exceptional run and win, but the commentator was spot on about So You Think.. 'came from nowhere'. SYT was nowhere due to the deplorable ride he was given, that far back with so much traffic to navigate, he was never going to win that. His best wins have always been on the speed, stalking, or on the lead.
Danedream easy winner. The pace was fast, the hold up horses have no excuses. The great Dancing Brave beat an even better field by coming later and wider then SYT.
FFS O'Brien, did you watch a race of SYT's in Australia? Sit him in front of the pack behind the pacemaker (unbelievable that you'd train a horse just to be a bunny in the first place) and he'll win by 10L just from raw pace. He's not the same horse that much is clear but he's finding his feet.
I can't take anything away from the winner, yes, she got the big pull in the weights, but the turn of foot she showed to run away from them tells me she has genuine talent. As for SYT, that ride was nowhere near as proactive as it needed to be. And he STILL doesn't look fit. I don't think there's any shame in the run for the horse himself though, he passed just about everything coming home, but it would certainly have been nice to see him closer in the running.
@drofheim Silly question if you think about it. 19 of the last 30 winners have been 3 year olds. Bart would have to win the race with a 2 year old weighted as a 3 year old. 9 of the remaining 11 winners were 4 year olds. Bart would have to win the race with a 3 year old, weighted as a 4 yo. Winning the Arc, which is worth less prizemoney doesn't, under those conditions, look too attractive.
@2222badger2222 I'm not debating whether or not he's a true stayer, I'm debating ur statement about him not being effective over 1.5m, nonsense. Agreed, his peak is 10F but I don't hear the same comments about the likes of WF/SNA. Maybe if THEY were a threat to the national interest we'd hear the same comments. I don't doubt that AO is a great trainer, but I think there were many lessons to learn from SYT's career to date that weren't learned. Bart & S.Arnold would have done better in the Arc.
@Nautilus1972 Find one other race in his career where he races near to the rear of the field other than the 5th he ran behind Starspangledbanner in the Caulfield Guineas (8F). Even in relatively large fields he always races on the speed. There's not a horse in the world that could have won from the position he was in at the 3F mark. Taking nothing from the winner... but it was an overly safe ride that gave him no hope of finishing any closer than he did.
Yeah William Buick is probably the best around now I would say, Buick and Hughes are setting the standard. Frankie Dettori is the best jockey ever in my opinion but now he is older he doesnt have his strength he once had. Still he knows how to win the races just a little weaker now. Kinane was top notch and is also an all time great.
If So You Think would have stayed in Australia He would have 3 Cox Plates. I like O'Brien but This horse has been slaughtered over there. He would have won nearly all his starts with Steven Arnold aboard. We would now be comparing him to Kingston Town and Phar Lap. Shit happens. But, I have to say, Black Caviar will Brain them in the Sprints this Year.Bring on England. Bring them All !! :)
Piggott was on the best horses because the owners of the best horses wanted the best jockey. As for competing in this era, Piggott could have ridden with the reigns between his teeth throughout the season and still won the jockey championship by a street.
mate ryan moore looks good in his 5 horse field, all the euro jockeys look good in they little 4 horse fields. Mate if i owned a horse that went overseas i wouldnt be asking one of your jockeys to ride, personally hugh bowman, nash rawiller etc these guys own euro jockeys
@GBeret83 I suspect that traveling great distances not knowing where you are going is way more traumatic for horses than humans. It seems to me that most of the great horses rarely competed outside their home continent. I will remember Danedream's win in the Arc long after the memory of the Japan Cup has faded.
@MattGray1175 I agree that there were a number of instances that conspired to thwart SYT's Arc. Seamie Heffernen admitted that he erred in not taking a more forward position in the first half mile. Despite this though I think it would have been difficult for SYT to have beaten the winner with the weight allowance in the Arc. FYI So You Think was not top-weight in the '10 Melbourne Cup. Shocking was top weight and carried 57Kg's. SYT had 55.5.
@2222badger2222 "he may win a feature race." And the 8 G1's he's won to date what are they? Sea The Stars would not have gone near winning had he been in SYT's position. He ran home a tick outside 33 secs as it was. STS was a great, but he would have had to run a mid-31 to have gotten near the winner. I don't think so. I think it was a very safe ride by Heffernen. Better run home with the placegetters than risk compounding & running near the tail. He had no problems with the distance.
@drofheim SYT was within 1/2l of snow fairy for the third time now. People can stop making excuses now that he's some kind of wonder horse who has been under some bad rides. Not top drawer stuff evidently. Frankel on the other hand ... 4th highest rated flat horse in history. Well done Mr. Cecil. Enjoy it.
@SvendBosanvovski Agreed. As u know I did a fair bit of coin on SYT, but I didn't back him once the barriers were drawn. I think it was a very safe ride from Heffernen. Had he pressed forward at the start & compounded to run near the rear it would have been a poor outcome for Coolmore. At least this way, while not having a realistic winning chance they could still claim he ran creditably, which of course he did. I still think thought that he would have benefitted from BC's way of race training.
im not just talking about this race look i like syt i just think hes always built up to be something hes not because he always lets you down but fair play he did well to get fourth in the arc
@debbider your wrong aiden is the best trainer in the world , its just that european racing is alot more competitive than australian racing . But i would agree that it was bad tactics on the day
You just never know when she have ribot in her line.Only ribot's line have won the arc twice after him which was alleged(grandson of ribot) and now danedream has a chance.
I agree to an extent but Ryan Moore has made over 16 million on the course and has won all the major races.(He is the richest jockey) I think Soumillon and Peslier are both good jockeys but I still think the likes of Dettori, Buick, Hughes, Moore, Fallon are better and I think the horse racing in the UK and Ireland is more competitive and harder to win.
Whaaaaat? haha.. well we will have to see how it goes. Expectations always get built up and almost every time it is not just the racing records of the dam and sire but how the genes combine matters more..
@drofheim Twice Over is flying on the gallops and comes to hand this time of year, he'll be hard to beat in the champion stakes and will be fresher than the arc also rans
@GBeret83 Why should BC have to race against D Grade English sprinters when all the money is in Australia.The only place she should go overseas is Hong Kong.
@debbider i think you have to agree that so you think could be a better 2000m horse than 2400m.great horse,but no champ on the world stage.however with a better draw and a smaller field he may win a feature race...sea the stars would have won if he'd been in so u thinks spot, that's the difference ,not the trainer.
Anything with Sadlers Wells in the pedigree dont usually go on dirt, they are bred for turf, if you look at the European horses that have done well at done well at the Classic , Henrythenavigator, Ravens Pass, Sakhee, Giants Causeway, all camr
@debbider Snow Fairy was barely beaten by SYT int eh Irish Champion and was in fact closing to be beaten about a neck. Both hoprses ran baout to form here with SYT having a bad ride to boot. The jockey must have thought he was riding the should-have-been winner Pour Moi.
@SvendBosanvovski I was trying to be diplomatic. Gambling on European racing can be frustrating in that you often won't know if you're going to ge much of a run for your money. I agree with your assessment of G Moore. At least I would have had a run at a place chance if he wasn't able to outpace the winner, who did win very very well. Luckily I had a few places on Black Caviar today so I made some of my losses back ;)
Think it was time I paid tribute to the winner, owners to an expensive gamble to race here and she paid it back with a million quid, she routed them. Looks like either Turf or the Classic?
You had to be at the front with the pace so strong - if anybody was thinking they would come back they were well wrong - usually they tire at the end but no wind and fast conditions allowed to keep up gallop. Shareta was second best on the day in all senses.
SYT couldn't win because he is not a 3 year old. This was his first race at a mile and a half and considering the riding tactics he ran very well. His only other race over 10f was a third as top weight (59kg) in the Melbourne Cup on heavy ground. (to rcschumann) The fact that you allude that a great horse should be able to win from any position indicates you know very little about pace and tempo in horse racing. No horse that has ever existed can run under 32 seconds in the last 600m of an Arc.
I agree in the jockey's that you mentioned but i am not a fan of ryan moore and price money does not make a great jockey but the kind of races that they have won.The competetitiveness of british racing is actually over shadowed more with the peanut price money on offer for most of the races.Sometimes you wonder what the heck is the jock doing on winning chances and that include all the top jock's.Dettori at his brilliant best is miles ahead of moore but of coz he is getting on with age now.
@bgardiner2000 Nonehteless, Snow Fairy - whose form is about level with SYT - was unhindered and well beaten. See Irish Champion stakes where she was beaten a neck when getting up on SYT.
I too believe SYT trainer and jockey got it wrong but for a different reason. He is a big horse and needs galloping room and doesn't do as well racing inside of other horses. The jockey would have been better off riding wide with cover and let him finish on the outside....but anyway the winner was too good
I agree the ride was disappointing. I think it was damage limitation to a certain extent. If they ride him hot and he gets beaten badly it would have had a commercial impact. This way he runs a credible 4th and no damage done. I think that someone should have reminded AO that he ran 3rd in a Melbourne Cup on a slow 6.
So much crying and whining, Danedream on another level to SYT, end of, Sea The Stars and Zarkava came of the pace and won cause they were genuine superstars.
2:09 he is saying "its anybody's race now" while the winner had already made its move and began passing horses. btw Mr donk i was making a comparison how the same announcer did a great job calling the arc for Sea the Stars and fell asleep when Danedream made the winning move; he did said in the end "the bird has flown" to make up for his sloppy call. for your last sentence mr donk, i would like to slap you around a bit and then put a used bit on your mouth. lol
@2222badger2222 Racing in Europe & ANZ is different & training methods differ as a result. IMO though, from being involved in conditioning myself that some horses benefit more from racing than others. SYT falls into the first group, & BC knew this. He had him absolutely at his peak for the 2m of the Melbourne Cup with 10000 race meters in his legs. I'm not saying BC is a better trainer, but had he had a BC prep & not been ridden so safely the result would have been much different.
Come on mate,How can you say nathaniel is mediocre?Danedream might not be a wonderfilly but with all the travelling,She still runs well in most of her races.Breaking the record in the arc is not a ordinary feet too.I know the arc is seldom run on a good track but still with all the history and the runners thats been there it's still a noteworthy record.
SYT is a really good horse but lacks the gears in this big fields. Hw only beat handicappers in Australia, they thought he was Pegasus! He is very good. Not quite a great though, as shown today. Dandream just flew.
Sorry- The Glatisant- watch again. The filly was clearly pulling away from the field, including SYT, in the final furlong of the race. The pull in the weights. and her devastating turn of foot, would've put paid to them irrespective of race tactics.
Fluke is very very harsh . Destroyed them and in record time for an Arc . I know the ground was good for a change but its hard to crab that performance . Excuses last two runs imo , could sneak a place today . We'll see I guess lol
Saw So you think in paddock and was best looker in field - but he hard a hard race there making up all that ground - can't see how he'll be ready for Ascot - looks out the places for me, well remember the stupid races they sent Dylan Thomas after his Arc, they over race them at end of season.
what the hell SYT running as a backmarker shoot the the trainer and the jockey too for heeding such absurd instructions nice win by german bred horse again well trained and ridden pacemarkers poooheee go danedream
Worse ride ive ever seen didnt get out properly untill about half way down the straight. But to have it at the rear of th field was a stupid move, better to sit about fifth tracking the leaders. It will win next time though.
dont think so; completely missed the furious move the winner made putting in 3 lengths in 10 seconds over the other horses. probably downplayed it cause it was a german horse. he did a much better job for Sea the Stars when he called that race
@bgardiner2000 My judgement of racehorses has been established over several years of owning and training many bad horses.I wish i had a horse half as good as SYT. He's a champ no doubt,but not a true stayer.The melb. cup was run at a farcical pace best suited to a sit & sprint 2000m horse.He would've won had he not pulled.I believe a truly run 3200m would take it out of him,pull or no pull.However we will never know because if he fails you'll blame O'Brien.If he does win a feature ( cont.)...
Sea The Stars destroyed everything that was put in front of him, put in one of the fastest Eclipses, smashed the track record in the International, he was so good he would probably win a 6f group 1, won at 12f, 10f, 8f, foals are selling at record numbers for first year stallion, Sea The Stars 140 timeform rating, better race record than his brother, the mighty Galileo responsible for some of the best racehorses today, the Urban Sea line of horses are usually exceptional, idiot.
@2222badger2222 SYT has only raced once of 12F or more outside the Arc & that was in the Melb Cup over 2m where he pulled like a train for the 1st 5F on a dead 6 with 55.5kg's. Had there been a decent pacemaker in that race he'd likely have won it. Your assessment that he's not a genuine stayer, which is obviously based on what others have inferred, is ignorant. "At this level"? he beat the cream of Euro's stayers outside of a couple of lightly weighted 3yo's & 4yo mare he's beaten easily before
@MrDraven37 SYT ran to his ability - if 0.5L below, but his proximity to rewilding, Twice Over and horses like that marked him out as less than top drawer. The winner has trounced them.
