Dany Dragonbinder: She Who Sounds the Horn 

Oh great call, love that

Brandon the bloody blade" coldhands" " me too" Beric " well if I'd a known that..." Lady Stoneheart " busy" Melisandre " been there done that, burned it after"

"UNDER THE SEA the horns blow you! I know I know, oh oh oh!"

iirc, Valyrian is more gender-neutral (e.g. "valar" means "everyone" more than "all men").

This is the kinda cheeky word play I love. Just like in LOTR "no man can slay me!" I am no man! Yaaaahhh!

The scene in this video where tormund gives Jon the gold bands also sort of points to this imo

I actually don’t think it’s of consequence, just a literary nod to Eowyn. She will survive because she’s magical.

It was years ago, but it was around the time that the oil industry, and related industries, were changing MSDS (material safety data sheet) to SDS (safety data sheet). The reason we were given, is that some Languages like German (it was the example he gave) has no word for material. So I concede your point that you're making. However I find it odd, that the valyrians had no words to describe two different genders. It's thousands of years old, and Languages are ever changing, with each generation, and migration. For example the closest equivalent to old norse, is Icelandic. Russian and Ukrainian are very similar and different. Not to forget American English versus England English, and the subsequent meaning of words change over the years, let's not forget about the words, "there, their, they're". Take molestation, a similar word to harass, to bother, but now is used almost exclusively in regards to child predation, of the sexual kind. It could be that Aemon was right, about how it is used most recently, and he could be ignorant to towards and phrases used way before him. Considering the freehold was utterly destroyed, along with all text they had, from what we are told at least. I can't imagine the citadel having tons of writing from there, in good enough condition to handle at least. Remember what Sam said about many of the older books.

@@schmalzilla1985 there are many real world languages that are gender neutral and rely on inference so it’s not all that odd. i feel like this also makes sense in regards to Valyrian society likely having been more equal as any gender can ride dragons or wield magic

@@kalamataolives I agree with this. Valyria seemed like an egalitarian utopia so long as you had dragons otherwise you are as good as a slave.

High Valyrian is gender-neutral but still has words for men and women. "Vala" is the word for man and "abra" for woman. There is a word "daorys" which means no one, but "dore vala" which means no man is also a valid expression ("no one" and "no man" don't necessarily have the same meaning)

Hahaha

The whole Witch king business wasn't just Eowyn. He was first stabbed by Merry, a Hobbit (technically not a man) and definitely harmed by that. They both were a tag team of technicalities that I love. I'm sure since Tolkien literally wrote dictionaries and was a translator he savored in being able to have a little fun in this scene and show the power of language.

The dagger that merry used against him had come from the Barrow Downs. And is a relic of the wars against the witch king centuries earlier. They had spells cast on them since that time to defeat his magic.

​@@LuciusoftheVorenii This! I had exactly this argument in college when the movies came out, opened up the book, and read the passage aloud to the other person in the argument. It's clearly indicated that the ancient weapons from the barrow were enchanted to damage the Witch King (and his forces) who later became the head ring wraith and that Eowyn wouldn't have been able to damage him without this magic injuring him.

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That doesn't explain the giant beast that caused balerions early death

(Likely caused him to die sooner than if it hadn't happened)

@@Lumistrocity I still haven't gotten around to reading Fire and Blood. Does it specify whether or not Balerion fully recovered from those wounds? I always thought the Dragon Pit indirectly killed Balerion because extended captivity combined with his massive size made him too weak to fly and so his age started to catch up to him.

@WafflingMean44 it's not mentioned whether he recovers but I know he only had 1 rider after the incident, viserys and at that point he could only fly around kings landing once or twice, but with aerolla (however you spell it) he would of been fit enough to fly to Valeria allegedly

Pretty sure that the horn of Winter is a drinking horn, but yes, sorta.

they gotta 69 the horns

@J V ELL not sure if your being serious, but I was wondering if they were Narwhal horns; so screwing them together would make a lot of sense physically and thematically! Though it would be more of a missionary. The burned horn though not Sam’s.

The prince that was promised to the others...

I’ve had that thought too, Jon found the package of obsidian blades with a horn that wasn’t elaborated on much that I believe was the horn of winter. If he is reborn as an other, which would fully make since, he would have to blow it to cross the wall. Since it would allow the others into the realm, I don’t know what would drive him to do so other than anger from the brothers that killed him, or maybe to prevent the very possible ending of the night’s watch/free folk peace, whatever his notion I fully expect that both horns will be sounded in WoW… if it ever gets completed.

Totally agree, there is something missing here. Some kind of blood magic to make the horn work, or maybe it doesn't bind dragons at all.

In fairness, the Targs in westerns eventually lost their dragons, so there must be a component we don't know about.

@@jschoma11 Someone on a random video's comment section made a very interesting argument for that. She was talking about genetics, and that the Targs dragons eventually withered and died out after several generations of inbreeding. Their genetic "pool", so to speak, had gotten too small after leaving Valyria and only having a small circle of other dragons to breed with, they suffered the same genetic maledictions that prolonged inbreeding often causes. I thought it was a great explanation for the dragons getting smaller and weaker and eventually dying out. Dany's dragons are from a time where their genetic pool was larger (and the stock healthier). Who knows? I wish I could remember the writers' name, because it's a very intriguing argument.

@@made-line7627 it would definitely work, the dance is blamed for the loss.of dragons but it also works as an explanation for the loss of genetic diversity

Indicates to me that it does something more than just bind a dragon to the owner. They had breeding dark magic for that, which made up a key pillar of their culture Surely the horn plays some other role, else they would have mass produced that instead of wierd inbred eugenics

awww thank you so much, I really appreciate you noticing :)

Couldn't have said it better myself!

I feel this, I do

There's another one Old Man Celtigar had to that awakes krakens and calls em up

@@JoeyWhisperz it could be an artifact created in those two’s fashion

@@JoeyWhisperz exactly what i was thinking, one of the reasons i think euron is the third AA

The live-streams are for chores, and the theory videos are for comfortable seating and coffee ☕

Bedtime stories and these voice over reading ones are best. He speaks a good tale.. great end to a busy day.

It's the name. Religion nuts will downvote anything "evil"

@@feddy11100 probably right

Also people who don't like him because of his political views

Hoho, now that'd be interesting, but it would be a bit too obvious an option, and George R R Martin doesn't like giving these solutions to us so easily 🤷🏽‍♀️

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I wonder how it would sound to play, perhaps the Narnian Lullaby on two big horns?

@@kristenstoumann8345 it plays CBAT

They're smoking like buddy's lungs xD

@@staytuned2L337 I see dragons 🐉 cough cough

Oh God. That would be her absolute WORST nightmare.

the beginning of a Refused album, the shape of punk to come. Thanks for reminding me, i need to put that in the description

Best post punk album ever? Yes, ever

@@heroltd55 Or was it the last punk album ever? (Maybe best, too)

@@DavidLightbringer aw cheers my man ❤️

@@jon5620 love me some songs to fan the flames too, that shit has some of the best heavy guitar riffs ever written

It occurred to me that these horns could have been originally used in hatching dragon eggs. I think that, as you mentioned, miris scream draws undeniable parallels with what we are told with the sound of the horn when blown. It's possible that miris blood and scream worked as a stand in for a dragon horn and allowed dragons to return to Planetos.

Do the iron born have a crypt or burial ground? I would think they do viking burials? What happens when they rise harder and colder?

aw thanks Brandon that's my fav kind of comment to read... cheers brother. Happy to shine a light in these dark times

Yea..totally what that guy said too...lol. Really well said, Brandon. I completely agree. Compendium series stuff is just as magic as it's substance. And this one *ranks up there...amazing job, LML, ser.

@@dothrakidani358 So heartwarming to read You Folk's comment's. Best wishes to all 3 of You 🕯️✨🙌

I second this!

I love the thought of the first suggestion. Needing an "Other" to blow the horn. That would be so hectic, though I don't think it'll happen :( Edit: Gods I hope the latter doesn't happen. Don't be stealing the dragons free will!

@@made-line7627 None of those options would have a very positive outcome, that's one certainty!! Im super wary of that horn.."all that glitters is Not gold" and all that jazz. Even if Dany uses it (which Is likely) what will Dragonbinder actually do? Will it "bind" Dany, in some way? She Is also a "dragon"! Will it start a new "long night" by splitting a comet? Bring down the wall? All scary thought's! And, I just do not trust Moqorro (? ) as far as I could spit Him either. That Red Priest has agenda's, within agenda's.. What if HE can wield it? We don't know if He's "mortal" or, if He's similar to Melisandre, and (likely) only kept "alive" by fire magic?! Ominous time's ahead, that's certain! And. "ALL Euron's gift's are poison" !!

I agree that Sam might somehow gain the hornblower symbolism in the next book, we'll have to see. Maybe he goes jewelry shopping in the secret vaults of the citadel

@@DavidLightbringer Old Town's where it's all at in WoW afterall 😁

Oh my, I'd never thought of the Horn Hill connection. I'm thoroughly intrigued!

@Jinty Sam Is one of My favourite characters too. He's such an empathic, intelligent Lad. I also believe Sam has a huge part to play, with the horn he has..Many of Sam's peers underestimate Him, it would carry along the story arc for Sam's horn to be underestimated too. I think it has great power, as much as Dragonbinder does! Perhaps, Sam's horn "cancels" the effects of Dragonbinder or, acts as an amplifier. I'm not sure, but I look forward to finding out!! Best Wishes, Lovely!!

@@jintym2951 ^^^^^ :)

It is never said that (High) Valyrian is gender neutral (I think), but that the noun that translates prince/princess is gender neutral. I see it unlikely that Dany dies from blowing the horn, there is no foreshadowing of that and Martin seems to foreshadow all important events

@@lolsous The word "man" is "Valar" in High Valyrian as in "Valar Morgulis" which is gender neutral.

@@altundasbatu I have seen that most people assume that Val (singular man) is gender neutral, and would perhaps more accurately be translated to people. However I don't know why people assume this and assume that the whole Valyrian language is gender neutral. Martin didn't really create a language as much as phrases and I am pretty sure the language created for the show includes the gendered word woman.

I have a feeling that Dragonbinder was made by a sorcerer who wasn't a Valyrian. Anyone can learn to read Valyrian-Missandei. That horn may or may not work.

so... widow's wail? I gotta look into Cat a little. She's a widow who dies laughing hysterically, like rattleshirt!

she's a cat with burning red eyes, just like the swords Oathkeeper and Widow's Wail, but really it all goes back to weirwood symbolism... Nissa Nissa was a cotf - they have cat eyes and thus cat symbolism - and went into the weirwood trees, so the Nissa Nissa analog characters have cat symbolism and bloody eye and mouth and hand weirwood symbolism. Check out the Weirwood Goddess series, I'm summarizing a long theory here

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hell yeah Ezio thanks

Oh yeah good call

Let's dance to Al Gore rythm

Well of course we don’t know exactly what it does for sure yet, although all the things you mentioned our distinct possibilities. That’s why I raised the possibility of your on tricking her somehow, or perhaps Moqorro. In the event that it does exert some amount of control over dragons, we don’t necessarily know how that works or how obviously evil it would be. It’s not exactly evil for kennel masters to use dog whistles to train their dogs right? All I am saying is that I could see her giving it a try if she’s really having trouble controlling the dragons, let’s say they are flying around Meereen and killing indiscriminately. She may try to blow the horn to stop the madness. I’m not sure how Martin will handle this, but I usually start by identifying the symbolism and then asking myself how we can play out and makes sense in the plot, and in this case, the Hornblower symbolism for Dany seems pretty strong, and I’m also wondering about the parallel to Nissa Nissa’s scream that supposedly broke the moon

Same

@@ampople LML's livestreams are great fun, try and catch them if you can. They're very informative

@@TheOnlyElle. oh don’t worry, I watch them multiple times over 🤣

@@Skandarr788 Cool! The livestreams are definitely worth replaying. I always rewatch Myself, as there is so much to take in. But, I try and catch them live if possible.. there are lot's of smart, decent, welcoming Folk's in the livestream comments too 🙌

Good point, perhaps Dany is both Eowyn and Merry? Merry being the non-Man Hobbit, and Dany being the non-Man (magic-blooded) Valyrian. Good food for thought though!

oh yeah i remember that

It was a fake/glamored Mance. Could it have been a fake/glamored horn?

Oh great point! Yeah that would have fit nicely in the GEOTD Westeros video :)

Thank you for commenting on, I always hope people appreciate the little touches :)

Yeah that could be how it works, for sure. One thing, it was actually blown 3 times at the moot, which people have picked up on as a parallel to three blasts for the Others. I think the Horn of Winter may have called the Others, just as dragonbinder calls dragons

Yeah technically but I think the point is that she actually did the thing that “no man” could

@@CommieBukkakie Yes, but Dany doing a thing no man can do because she is a woman and for no other reason is not the same as Eowyn killig the witch king because Merry had already undone his power that made him immortal

it's not supposed to be the same, just a sort of poetic nod. Don't otherthink it, though your points are correct

@@DavidLightbringer Yeah, I think it is definitely likely GRRM will take inspiration from that, I just think there would have to be some other factor at play for that plot point to work, otherwise it would come off as kind of cheap in my opinion, like the Eowyn moment in the movie.

Yeah it’s very unclear what happened to Vic or what his hand even is. Can’t wait to see what George does with itn

Yeah I can only do like one of these a month, I wish I could work faster. They take a lot of granular work to come out this way though... glad you appreciate it my friend

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Aww thanks! I love all the horn theories. I hope we get an answer.

“Cometbinder”

@@DavidLightbringer Much more hashtagable

what's the point though? I totally see how the c-section symbolism could be being implied, I just don't know what the point to the story would be

@@DavidLightbringer" Cold Miser, Snow Queen, Night Queen" has lived for a 1000 years, she is either leaving (for lands beyond Tolkien) or dying/dead; she needs a replacement. Daenerys and Jon's daughter to fix everything. (Or Jack's and Val maybe)

@@mistermaestersirthomas9164 Who is Jack?

@@made-line7627 Aegon#2 (Jaqen)/Jon's twin brother/fake Syrio/Jon Snow of Lorath

@@made-line7627 I should add Jack is a nickname for Jon in real life; so Aegon (Valerian version), Jaqen (Lorathi version) just like Sean, Jon, Shawn, John, etc...

@Lauren Griffith Hey Sweetie! I've wondered if Moqorro can actually weild Dragonbinder, Himself (or, if He's lying about what's the glyphs say). He's described as being "burnt" looking, has flame tattoo's (if I recall correctly) and, We don't know that He's "mortal" ! Hr may be a "fire Wight" (or, something even stronger like Melisandra).I think, Essentially, Mocorro is a being kept alive at by fire magic. He's also got some huge agenda going on..Nice catch on the colour reference 🙌✨🕯️

He has a binder full of meteors

He's also got the Volantis slave flames tattooed on his face. More meteor symbolism.

@@TheOnlyElle. a man being better at magic than a woman in this book, unlikely.

@@mistermaestersirthomas9164 Well, a Man being better at magic, (than a Woman)in the real world would be unlikely too. However, I can suspend My disbelief for the book's ;)