Dark Souls Lore - Darkmoon Gwyndolin 

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And I appreciate that

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But still did what he saw his duty, in spite of that! But maybe that's just delusion on his part

Oh wow never thought of it like that! 👍

Yeah, I could very much see it being non literal

Gwyndolin the Dankmoon lol

Haven't smoked in 10 years but this sure does take me back to high school when I would

Well....... YES

The game is Japanese… english wordplay wouldnt make sense

It seemed implied that we were the first to make it, the crestfallen merchant says: don't even consider visiting anor Londo. And then lists off all these people who couldn't make it etc

Gwyn still being the lord of cinder does confirm we are the first in ds1 as nobody has taken his place yet

Setting aside it seems other responses here didn’t entirely understand what you were getting at: agreed! I think considering the themes of the series, Gwyndolin’s death is maybe the closest we get to seeing some kind of “justice” done to an actual character in the drama. Gwyndolin is probably the most compelling character in the series. The last born, the last survivor of the gods, clinging to his father’s kingdom for who knows how many generations, stanning a hallowed past he might even have been born too late to really see, tricking countless “chosen” ones into helping him maintain his power. And you can tell that he doesn’t even like humans. He thinks so little of them that he makes an illusion of a princess to flatter their egos in order to get what he wants out of them. The tragedy of him having to steadily rely on and interact with them more and more despite this, until one day a few of them realize he’s given them too much leverage and they use it to destroy him is just beautiful. For a series that is fundamentally *about* the ways that power corrupts us, and the dangers of clinging to a system that has stagnated and is hurting more than it helps, it’s just such a perfect moment to see the chief proponent of this broken system be devoured by a monster of his own making, literally puppeted the way he’s done to so many of us. It’s fantastic.

​@christophertaylor8166 was the last survivor of the gods. Nameless king and gwynavere * cries in forgotten and ds2 *

That sounds kinda hilarious, I've never thought to try it

Judging from what was going on, I'd say we saved him either way, even if that involved killing him

You can take pride in knowing that, in a way, you did save him! He's now free of Aldrich's torment, even if it did kill him😀

agreed, Gwyndolin deserved better :(

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I did my first Elden Ring one a few weeks back, if you missed it!

You know there are a LOT of Dark Souls lore videos that came before Elden Ring, right?

​@@drdabsmore945 Right? even on this channel there's entire playlists of dark souls lore. Don't know why this person is so surprised.

What's your source for there being a canon ending?

Perhaps being attuned to the sun is just the "standard" so to speak, so nobody really thinks too much on it. Gwyn's the lord of sunlight, so all his children being sunlight-attuned is whatever. But then one is born more attuned to the moon, so that's noteworthy?

I don't thiiink I'll do Yorshka as I covered most of her stuff in this one

@@SilverMont Yorshka = Yorkshire A reference to *The White Rose* See also "Death - XIII" in Rider-Waite's Tarot.

Like he's low level but using high end equipment in PvP?

@@SilverMont no as he's literally a twink. Like Miquella.

I have a lore video script from like... 2015 that I never finished, so I could really make it feel like the 2010s again if I ever finished that haha. It was Valtr from Bloodborne

I personally think it’s Sullie Vahn like it’s spelled but it’s definitely not your version you absolute baboon

His name is サリヴァーン I think? Which seems more like "Sully-van" but I don't think it really matters too much, tbh. Look at Ranni in Elden Ring, she herself says it both "Ranny" and "Rar-nee" in different lines.

@@SilverMont gotcha was just curious becuase I just thought it was like sula-vayn like that doesn’t really matter just making a comment lol

He is basically perfect cell

@@randomusername3873 More like Imperfect Cell

I finally found a good time to finish this one haha, I kinda forgot about it for a bit

@@SilverMont that 's great man, you got more or this the last one? I really love your videos I've been listening to them on rotation together with the other ds youtubers when I sleep for many many years now, I think you're such a great ds youtuber. Prolly one of if not the best, absolutely love u man.

There's prob other Dark Souls ones I could do, I can't think of any, off the top of my head though! For now at least, I am focused more on the ER stuff

That what?

​@@SilverMontDo you still not understand what he meant?

He never elaborated

@@SilverMont *He's talking about his asshole. He wanted to screw Gwyndolin.*

More like gwydinpp

I think he is the son of gwyn and priscilla actually This would also explain why she is hidden in the painting, gwyn couldn't risk people knowing he was banging a half dragon lmaoo

@@randomusername3873 ew

Well according to lokey and abyssal archives, she’s his grandma.

Gwyndolin and Ranni both have strong affinities with the moon, but otherwise nothing too deep or worth looking into, off the top of my head

I think Ranni and Rennala are sort of spiritual succesors/extensions of the theme of lunar occultism started in dark souls. So I would imagine that understanding Gwyndolin's story probably helps to understand the foundations behind Ranni and Rennala's stories.

Its 1. Sens Fortress and 2. A entirely baseless theory with no real evidence for its validity. You can literally just think about it... they destroyed any record of the Nameless Kings Name even from the public who would have very very well known him as one of their gods and son to the Lord of Sunlight before he decided to join the Dragons so why would the Gods just decide "Weeeell this one Fortress with his name can stay, I mean why not. We basically destroyed far faaar harder to remove places his name was embedded into and the entire knowledge of the public about it but we are gonna make a exception for this one random Fortress and not even try to rename it" Genius.

If we look at it in Elden Ring terms, Gwyndolin and Velka could've been like a Marika/Radagon deal haha

@@SilverMont Never thought of it like that actually. Makes me wonder how much of those beautiful games we haven't figured out yet.

Close. Priscilla is Gwendolyn’s mother

I don't buy that Gwyndolin is Seathe's offspring. Seathe isn't associated with snakes at all, Gwyndolin uses miracles even if they do resemble sorcery, and I highly doubt that Gwyn would lock Priscilla in the painting and just overlook Gwyndolin. Perhaps he was just close to Seathe/wanted to emulate him? Or maybe he was emulating Priscilla/Yorshka? Just theorizing here, I think this second option makes the most sense. Maybe Gwyndolin knew about his half sister and/or felt a strong connection to her and his entire appearance and femininity comes from her? That would also explain why he cares for Yorshka so much later on. Yorshka being Priscilla is interesting, and very plausible, with the difference in appearance possibly being either an illusion or maybe the difference between the real world and the dream-like world of the painting. The item you're referring to though is Yorshka's Chime, not the Darkmoon ring.

@@GeneralTaco155555a snake is an imperfect dragon (there is a ring in DS that said this) throughout souls we've seen several crossbreeds (pris, yorshka, and painter girl) they are all female (we don't know ocelotte's gender), the only male half dragon we know is mad king oceiros, and (probably) sickly limping prince lothric. this is just my theory, but maybe dragon blood runs better in female bodies, while oceiros went mad, lothric limping, and gwyndolin only has snake feet. alos note oceiros and gwyndolin both are possibly blind

@@Archontasil serpents have no association with crossbreeds. Yes serpents are imperfect dragons, but literally anything can be described as an imperfect dragon except a perfect dragon. Priscilla is a perfect dragon crossbreed and as such she is furry and has a tail like the real dragons. Yorshka is also a perfect crossbreed, but she resembles the imperfections of Seath: she's frail, has tendrils, and tail is more crystalline than furry. Lothric isn't a crossbreed, he's just cursed. Possibly undead. Oceiros is NOT a crossbreed, he's a king who became obsessed with Seath and twisted his form to resemble a dragon. Wretches and Piscana are failed attempts at crossbreeds/hybrids and they are all sick, gnarled, and similar pale grey or blueish purple like Oceiros. Gwyndolin has a ton of individual snakes, if it was just that he's part dragon or serpent, then he would just have a serpent lower half. It has to be something else.

@@GeneralTaco155555a wrong, ds1 specifically said snakes are imperfect dragon, not humans, not gods, not rats, not dogs. Just snakes. oceiros is obsessed of becoming a dragon he genetically experimented on himself and his children to be dragons. He even refers his baby as "Ocelotte, child of dragons". And ocelotte is invisible like Pris. Lothric lorian is paleskinned and have long limbs like other half breeds (of course this is speculation) but the only confirmed male half dragon is oceiros and he's not healthy at all. (ocelotte might be female due to her -ette suffix) Oceiros and probably lothric lorian might not be a descendant of dragon, but they definitely have dragon bloods in them, and they are all sick. Similar to gwyndolin

@@Archontasil Not wrong. "The serpent is an imperfect dragon and symbol of the Undead" "ring depicting a snake that could have been, but never was, a dragon." Serpents are NOT dragons, or half dragon, or dragons that are kind of messed up: they are their own things. Snakes are imperfect dragons in that they kind of look like dragons, but aren't. Your logic is like saying monkeys are imperfect humans, and then saying something that looks like a monkey must be a half-breed of a human. That doesn't make any sense. AGAIN, Oceiros is *NOT* half dragon. He's a god/king who was so obsessed with Seath that he twisted his body and soul into resembling a dragon. Basically plastic surgery to made him look all fucked up, and then he just calls himself a dragon. You're also just taking him calling Ocelotte the "child of dragons" at face value when he's LITERALLY DESCRIBED AS INSANE. ("Oceiros went mad trying to harness his royal blood for a greater purpose") He's *NOT* a dragon, he just thinks he is because he's crazy and obsessed with Seath. Ocelotte is also NOT invisible, they are cut content. This is extremely well known, and its texture files as well as audio files for both Oceiros and Ocelotte are still in the game. Ocelotte is a little undead/corpse looking baby, and Oceiros crushes it in the second phase, but they cut it probably because depicting baby murder isn't allowed in many countries/would give the game an AO rating. The only other mention of Ocelotte in the entire game is Divine Blessing: "The Queen of Lothric, married to the former King Oceiros [.....] after giving birth to Ocelotte, her youngest, she quietly disappeared." This could be a lore explanation for why Ocelotte was cut: the Queen took Ocelotte and ran away, knowing the King would try to experiment on it, and could easily be tricked since he was insane and blind. Either way, Ocelotte lore is impossible to pin down exactly due to the messy late stage cut, but saying definitively that Ocelotte is invisible because of dragon heritage is just straight up false. Saying Lothric is a half breed is WILDLY speculative, if not blatantly contradicted by in-game evidence. There is literally 0 support for this theory besides him being frail and white; also, NONE of the other halfbreeds and failed experiments are disabled like that. Also also, his twin brother Lorian was not afflicted by the same frailty or disability at all in the past, he just took on his brother's curse to help him out ("Before Lorian embraced his brother's curse, he was a knight" "Lorian, raised as a knight, is said to have been left mute and crippled by his younger brother's curse. It is also said that Lorian, in fact, wished it so") There are multiple item descriptions that mention Lothric's being cursed, as well as his armor set being specifically resistant to curse, and yet nothing about dragons whatsoever. Dragons and "curse" are completely unrelated things, nothing draconic is ever described as being "a curse". Curses are a very specific thing, and often related to humanity and the undead. If he had any relation to dragons, the game would mention them in some way, but it doesn't at all. The pygmy lords are all pale, have white hair, frail, disabled, dress in black robes, and are cursed with undeath... why jump immediately to dragons, when this relation is way closer? I'm not saying this is a correct parallel to make, but it's 10x more supported by evidence than a relation to dragons.

Isn't he more of a snake boy?

@@SilverMont He can be both

*A all-in-one package.*

Cringe

That's... That's so optimistic it's kinda sad

Go outside

Is that... A drink?

@@SilverMont tra *cough cough* obe

Traobe?

@@fereshassineLoki it’s not that deep

@@fereshassineLokiI don’t think they’re phobic