My black friend said I'm not racist and the coolest non black person they know. They said I could say the n-word and everything. Yup it all checks out. Glad I found the sole ambassador of a whole race to approve all my bullshit.
When he gave that example of black people being incarcerated longer than white people for the same crime I wanted to jump up and down screaming "THAT'S SYSTEMIC RACISM THAT'S SYSTEMIC RACISM HOW ARE YOU SPEAKING AT OXFORD?!". It genuinely blows my mind that he's made millions off of this.
Let me explain his point to you. He is saying that there are more black people statistically in prison for certain crimes than white people, and this is due to things like up to 75% of black people having no fathers at home and also black people being more likely to resist arrest due to their negative perception of the police which just creates a vicious cycle.
Imagine paying insane money to study in Oxford, the greatest university in the world, and using this time to go listen Dave Rubin, LOL! Out of all reputable world class speakers that you have an opportunity to listen to you spend it on a fraud e-celeb like him. Their parents must be so proud of them...
How does Rubin's sister know which people are living in rent subsidized apartments? Did they all tell her? Do they wear a special patch on their clothing?
Funny how Rubin felt the need to point out that Larry Elder "happens to be black" to qualify his argument as valid but then dismisses the vast majority of other thinkers "that happen to be black" who totally disagree with Elder and present the opposing argument as using "identity politics". The Rules of logic is not strong with Rubin!
The US is one of the only countries to have to deal with cops shooting unarmed people, even if they are punching cops. So I don't think it's about having "low expectations" for black people. it's about having high expectations for the cops. And the cops are absolute shit here. US cops kill more people in a month than UK cops have in 100 years. That is a fact. Their expectations can't get any lower. There video of a guy with a knife attacking UK police and they're able to subdue him with only a few officers. That is high expectations. The UK demands that of them. They're not saying the guy with the knife is expected to do that because he's white trash. They're saying the cops are expected to be held accountable for their actions. As they should be. The police should be held to a higher standard than the criminals they encounter.
Mike Brown was unarmed, standing 35 feet from a cop who shot him multiple times. But that cop was in danger, right? It amazes me how the facts fly right over your thick, empty head...
Once again, he was 35 feet away and unarmed when he shot the kid; he had a choice. I didn't even account for the 2 construction workers caught on survaillance tape reacting to the shooting in real time who said he had his hands up(look it up on youtube). Darren Wilson is 6, 3" 235lbs, hardly an 8 year old going up against an intimidating, giant, as he testified......
Richard McCoy I'm tired of listening to intellectuals. We've been taking cues from intellectuals and experts for decades, where the f@ck has that got us?
He thinks agreeing with everyone on his show makes him and his guest seem like an intellectual, but when he goes out and tries to explain things on his own, he gets their talking points confused and makes no sense.
Larry Parr The guy just “left the Left” about 5 minutes ago because, as he put it, the left is longer liberal. Then he finds himself, like most others believe, going in the only other alternative “direction” which is the to the“right”. Listening to this guy, it’s clear he’s at odds with the the current right wing orthodoxy rhetoric as well... He sounds confused because he IS CONFUSED.
I am the humble recipient of one of those units that Ruben speaks of and I am so glad that my 55 hour work week doesn’t allow me the time to run into too many likeminded folks. I am uncomfortable enough when I have the audacity to use the buildings gym 😓
I have no clue. I have worked at a few universities in Europe and I can guarantee you can't just invite anybody who isn't a professor or a recognized scholar to talk about nothing just because you feel like it.
Rubin could make the argument that black ppl are generally poorer than whites therefore live in poor neighborhoods. Those neighborhoods are policed way more due to crime levels in general. From that point, it is socioeconomic. But if u take that argument a step forward and ask why black ppl are in poorer neighborhoods then you will immediately find out how generational wealth was held from black ppl via exclusion from land grants, low interest rates loans etc
The opposite is true, the community reinvestment act (which strongly influenced the creation of the GFC) and the system in government and banking it created caused MORE low interest rate loans and lower checks for those in lower income neighbourhoods. Good try though, I know you lefties are working with significantly less brainpower.
Because there was legislation to create the opposite in results and most in the banking sector are leftists apart from wanting lower taxes. Funny enough you can't give any proof, you just pretend your nonexistent anecdotal evidence wins the argument. Delusional.
Jean Luc Bergman CRA was passed in 77 because low interest rates weren't given to African Americans till that point. Redlining occurred in various forms. By the 70s, the drug war had begun and African Americans were being put in jail in droves so mass wealth couldn't be accumulated
Jason Carroll That wasn’t capitalism? Are you certain you’re aware what capitalism is? Capitalism is most certainly colourblind, say, if a business didn’t want to serve white people, white people would go to another business doing the same thing but serving white people and that business would grow and gain a better reputation, the business refusing to serve white people would fail.
@@italianwaffle5592 Capitalism is when a country's businesses are controlled by private owners. Racist private owners harnessed capitalism to economically exploit others and vice versa capitalists harnessed racism in ways which boosted their profits. Examples are slavery and sharecropping. Addressing what you said about business. Do you really think racists denying service en masse to minorities was as simple to fix as blacks going to a different store? If there were access to separate but equal quality services, why would blacks have not just gone elsewhere? It's because as the Supreme Court said, separate is inherently unequal.
Again, watching this from Europe, living in a highly regulated welfare state (and paying the corresponding taxes and contributions), I simply do not understand the mindset of American libertarians/conservatives. How does kicking people out of basic social rights help with social cohesion? And why is it so difficult to recognise the historical burdens of current society (Americans seem to have much less problems with that concerning European countries...)? How does denying basic support in social crises like unemployment or sickness contribute to individual freedom? I live a very comfortable and secure life in the most livable city of the world (named that for seven years in a row), where the authorities actively fund social housing with stabilized rents all over town, which has guaranteed that no social ghettos could develop in the last 70 years. We have low crime rates (despite the so called refugee crisis - do not believe everything the American media are trying to sell you about the current results, my friends and I are still out and about all over town at night without being constantly assaulted or robbed), general well-being at a high level, overall happiness rising, a well running economy, dropping unemployment rates - all of which countermands the postulates of libertarians. Social democracy really can work if you do not close your mind to evidence and instead go for ideology...
nina1608 they have an "I got mine. No one else gets any." Mentality. He thinks people working hard don't necessarily deserve the same things he does because he earned them and if they earned them they would have them already. So if they want the same treatment, they must be asking for special concessions. It's a disgusting uneducated way to think The failure is the long term erosion of the US education system. People are not being taught how to think. They're being taught to fear ghosts and witches and get out the pitchforks.
sooo whats this thing called the european debt crisis? is that a thing? would it make any sense if i went deep into debt paying the bills for 20 people, and then went online to brag "i dont know why everyone else doesnt do this, they must be so selfish!".. absolutely ridiculous nationalistic bs.
another strawman. avrysatos, libertarians are not against helping a single person. they are against doing it by means of coercion. if your position was so strong, you could at least do your opponents the service of correctly framing their position. guess what, theres 70 million democrats in the united states. and conservatives give even more to charity than democrats. plenty of people to help others voluntarily. we need a different model anyways. ever since the welfare state began, poverty has not decreased. therefore the programs do not achieve what they were intended to do. instead it traps people into a permanent dependent class. and the social effects are even worse, because by changing incentives, it has weakened the family unit, and fatherlessness has become an epidemic in 1 to 2 generations. you are government indoctrinated, pretending you know something about libertarianism.
beatsNstrings There was a debt crisis of some Eurozone member states but not an overall European debt crisis (again, do not believe US media uncritically). My own country is a Eurozone member and does economically very well, thank you (better than many US states). Germany has similar social rights and is currently going into a fiscal surplus year. And that's all with the same amount of personal freedom (and less of fiscal burdens and better environmental progections, for instance) as the US. At the same time Germany stepped up to solve a humanitarian crisis at the border instead of actively producing one.
"do not believe US media uncritically" i havent even watched it for a decade plus. okay though. i guess the european debt crisis is all just fake news...
After hearing Mr. Rubins eloquent reply to this question, I would like to ask him another that is more on par with his intellectual acuity. Mr. Rubin what sound does the doggy make?
IIRC 27 of the largest 30 cities in the country have Democratic mayors, the other 3 (Jacksonville, Ft. Worth and Jacksonville) are highly dependent on military bases for their economy, although San Diego is a great place year-round.
sprybug it's a common thought among people who belong to the Sam Harris cult. I still am baffled by the logic of one I engaged with: "I'm not islamophobic. I have Muslim friends that agree with Harris."
Yeah, Harris is not somoene I paid much attention to. I know he gets a lot of shit, but he's one of those guys that I don't really give 2 rats asses about, so I don't really care what he has to say one way or the other. To be honest, I don't know what he's even talking about half the time. Sometimes what he says sounds like word salad to me.
David Murray > specific > systemic You seem to not understand what the word systemic means. Every individual example of racism is part of a system that systemically allows for and supports racism.
Diaberu monk I’m aware of the distinction. Allow me to clarify by saying I’m jumping ahead a few steps. I am conceding racism DOES exist, I just find it is quite RARE. Hence my interest in identifying SPECIFICALLY who it is that IS racist. I suspect you’re taken back by my previous comment. I suspect this in large part because I suspect you and I apply very different metrics to determine racism. I define racism by 1 metric, has the person in question caused physical harm or injury to another of a different race without self defense (ONLY) justification. If not, he/she is not is NOT racist. Overt name calling, white supremacy rhetoric, eugenics rhetoric, welfare system rhetoric and euphemisms like, food stamps, urban, thug etc however repugnant, offensive, and quite frankly, I find STUPID, you or I might find those words to be, are NOT RACIST. They’re words, words don’t physically harm people. If anything, the rare number of people who do actually believe AND articulate such rhetoric have saved time and effort of minority groups from wasting more. Now if some KKK member is guilty of actually lynching blacks, that IS unquestionably RACIST! And must be stopped!
Rent controlled is not for just certain ethnicities it's for people native to the area, so people don't get forced out of that area unfairly.... he is a clown
That's a racist dog-whistle he's using by the way. He assumes only one ethnicity lives in the bad part of town. Guess what that (or rather those) ethnicity are.
He got invited by the oxford union, not oxford university. They have a lot of public figures, many of whom are very controversial on both sides of the aisle.
I think Sam misread the flaw in Dave Rubin's thinking toward the end there. Firstly he says systemic racism doesn't exist, he incorrectly defines it, then continues to give examples of _systemic racism._ Then towards the end, when he is giving his "anticdotal" account, he says the rent in his sister's apartment building is kept low for 50% of the apartments to ensure that they are available to people of "certain ethnicities" (i.e. non-Caucasians). But he goes on to debunk himself when he says you lose the incentive when your income goes up! By that logic, your ethnicity changes to Caucasian when you earn more because the incentive, according to him, is ethnicity not income level! Either that or he doesn't understand what he is talking about.
I think what he means is government incentives to minorities is stopping them from getting rich. If you just take all the government welfare programs away then everyone will want to get rich and live happily ever after. "Goverment - bad, Big Businesses which give me money - good". Dave's libertarianism in a nutshell.
@@saikrishna-lr7dz Yes, I see that too. The entire premise is such a concoction of illogical gobbledygook. The idea that people will avoid getting a higher income so that they can continue paying rent at a low cost is just ludicrous.
Hey Rubin... So Anti -semitism isn't ' a thing'? You are a Jew right? So tell us Dave, we are all ears. Let me guess.. ' Oh well, that doesn't count! Of course there is systemic anti-semitism'.
Very simply systematic/institutional racism is a system of which punished and rewards individuals based on race. All laws may be equal, but how those laws are applied is the issue.
I know this comment is 2 years old but this is too good to pass up- "Because he has beat them systematically, or systemically, however you like it" - David Rubin
Exactly! Dave is a classical jew, why didn't he mentioned that 60% of Harvard graduates are Jews.... Talk about "there is no racism" what a hypocrite....
That's as mind bendingly stupid as Golda Mier and NUT-and-a-yahoo saying: "We can forgive Palestinians for killing our children.We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill theirs".- Golda Mier "It doesn't matter if justice is on your side. You have to depict your position as just."-Benjamin Netanyahu,Prime Minister Top ZOP
Oh gawd, I can hear someone saying, well Jews have a higher ratio of smart people and it's not racism that causes more successful graduations, it's cuz they're smart. Wholly shit the chosen people by god herself is a racist??? Making them born smarter?? ha ha ha There was a time Chomsky told of when he was a kid Jews were excluded from schools, and then next I hear that slavery, the buying and selling of black people or any people indentured servitude even was an idea created by opportunistic Jewish people. Round and round we go.
Of course a person who hasn't been faced with systemic racism thinks that there is no systemic racism.. this truly show a serious amount of white privilege.. oh and a person of color can show amounts of white privilege also
Dave Rubin "There's no such thing as systemic racism in America" 'let me just follow that statement up with 2 examples of systemic racism that I do believe exist but don't seem to understand that they are systemic racism'
This is just an unfair critique. Some people are just limited and pathologically self absorbed. How can we really expect Dave to understand intellectually challenging concepts such as irony.
Rubin: There is no systematic racism. Also Rubin: Here’s a list of things that are totally NOT or do not reflect systemic racism (but actually are and do).
The whole point of talking about racism as systematic, is that the laws don't need to explicitly mention race to have outcomes based on race. Dave's misunderstanding is so ass backwards he thinks it means the literal opposite of what it does.
what about the people that work in the city that don't make good money. Where they going to live. They have to work and live in the city if they can't afford anything who's going to be the low paid workers
He seems to have a kind of simplistic view of the role of governance and the how's and why's of it. He thinks moving to a different state is a great solution, as if a million people can just disagree with Massachusetts laws and move to Vermont. There aren't enough jobs, housing, infrastructure, etc, to supplement that. It would crash the economies of both areas. The reality is that we have to deal with the problems and have as much oversight add possible without being overbearing. Allow the free market to work and respect the regulations that have been put in place as reactions to exploitative behaviors within the market. I wonder what his ideas are on money in politics because I think it's completely antithetical to a democratic system and we have ability with our advancements in communications to have fair representation in elections without having monies interests buying up all the air time. It leads to a kind of frenzied piranha atmosphere in election seasons and almost completely diminished the power of each vote and by extension us as voters become nearly powerless compared to those who direct money into politics.
Ironically, Rubin touted the efforts of the Wolf-PAC (An anti-lobbying PAC) while he was on TYT, now he works for the biggest perpetrators of corporate-election-meddling by far. The Kochs will reach all the way down to city council level races to keep their pollution farms running. It may be the truest statement one can make about our society when we dissect the impetus of a person like Rubin in turning his back on his own conscience and social-status in pursuit of coin.
Dave admitted he was drunk during this speech because he went out for drinks in the morning with Nigel Farage lmao Not like it makes that much of a difference though
P.S. Can Dave Rubin talk to ANYONE without trying to convince them that Democrats are responsible for stated Republican policies? These are BRITISH KIDS! What does he get out of talking shit about Democrats? Does he just have no ability to critically think beyond the two or three scripts he's memorized?
Why is Racist propagandist speaker such a lucrative job in America? I don’t think its fascist to not allow racist propaganda on tv🤷🏿♂️. How is that considered controversial? It shouldn’t make sense!
They just despise poor people. They hate them. They want them out. Outside the walls, please. They should clean the sewage and keep the windmills intact but please don't come close and don't ask for a decent life next to us. We're rich. We want other rich people around us. We want to enjoy our nice little spaces amongst each other. Isn't it great, Stuart. You are rich and I am rich and we're getting along so fine and isn't it a lovely day. The sun is out, we're sitting here comfortably surrounded by people that look like us and who carry enough money in their wallets to give us even more comforting feelings of security that we're gonna be all fine and rich and well dressed together. Oh, how swell. Imagine if they we're browner and had less money. Sitting here and sipping the same coffee, Stuart. I don't know about you, but I'd feel unsafe. They would start threatening us probably. Asking for some change. I mean, who knows. Can you bring me a new drink, please. And don't expect a tip. Work harder. But do it outside of my peripheral view. Ew, you poor swine.
I honestly cannot fathom how Dave Rubin is considered someone worth listening to. Even if you were to agree with the things he says, nothing that comes out of his mouth is even remotely original.. A sprinkling of Shapiro here, a pinch of Peterson there.. At least Milo, Candace et al are provocative.. Rubin is just... There.
As someone who lives about 5 minutes away, I'm rather insulted by the statement that Ferguson is controlled by Democrats and has been for 20 years. Like Rubin's whole argument here, that's false to the point of being absolutely ridiculous.
Structural racism is a certainly a thing, but to be honest, when I meet American students who claim that racism is only about "systems and power, not about personal acts or beliefs" it blows my mind - where did American's make up this bizarre definition? Or worse, when they claim things like "I can't be racist because I'm black". Please, my lovely Americans, you sound ridiculous when you say these things abroad.
You are literally strawmaning a minority of people with views most Americans disagree with black or white. To infer this is the view excepted by most is either disingenuous and daft
Just to clarify what Rave Dubin was saying regarding black incarceration.. he makes the statement that blacks stay in jail LONGER for minor offenses and that you can link this to social economic variables, meaning they can’t make bail. Which is even more of a reason to end cash bail.
At first I thought that conservatives just weren't aware of their ignorance of concepts such as "systemic racism." But after seeing the same dynamic play out time and again, there's no doubt that seasoned propagators just want to get "talking points" out to their conservative audiences. This works, as do most conservative debates, not by being truthful but by portraying unyielding confidence and ignoring facts and what anyone says.
Again - it depends on what you mean by "structural racism". In law books - the law is blind and technically there isn't racism in the laws. However, in practice - the laws are only as good as the people enforcing laws. As for schooling, the admittance policies do not tend to have racism as a defining element - so structural racism does not exist. However, poor people have a hard time in the University System due to bad K through 12th grade schooling - and there is a proportionately large poor black community that gets the brunt of that dysfunction in the system. In employment - the weakening laws and enforcement of opportunity for minorities allow racist employers the ability to discriminate without detection or punishment. The law, Education, and Workplace rules by themselves have weaknesses that allow for more racist incidences to occur to black people - but it can be defined as other than "structural racism" - by those that want to view the world with rose colored glasses - or those that do not understand the depth of human bias.
Firstly I can't believe that Dave was invited to the Oxford union. Clearly he was, I can't believe even more that 97 per cent of those kids didn't laugh their asses off at his transparent bullshit for the next 2 weeks.
14:37 - let's just clarify the real issue here. This is a guy whose intellect and education have failed to even enable him to understand how to pronounce (or likely spell) the word "anecdotal". The fact that he's speaking at Oxford is an embarrassment.
Conservative logic always boils down to this: if you try to do anything good, bad things will happen somehow. So just stop doing good things and purely act in your own self interest and good things will happen... Somehow.
No thats not "basically JPs argument", sometimes you say very stupid things Sam, its ironic when you talk about others speaking out of their asses, and then you either puposely misrepresent or misunderstand peoples stances and attack the mbased on those strawmen.
Sam Seder brings up a very good point about Dave Rubin redefining things in order to argue against them - this is what is called a straw man argument, a favourite tactic of pseudo-intellectuals.
I thought the whole point of structural racism was to shine light on the fact that you can have a set of institutions that on their face do not practice discrimination, and yet inequities can still manifest due to historic injustices, unequal starting positions in a competitive society, and racism practiced at the individual (non-institutional) level. Put differently, social and legal structures and practices need not be discriminatory for racist outcomes to emerge. I suspect Rubin will say this is not "true racism" because there's no malintent. Okay, fine, it's not true racism as you define it, but it /is/ "structural racism" as structural social theorists define it.
