As an Eastern European I can say that people who learned history know the conflict between Russia and Ukraine has many reasons underneath and started AT LEAST a decade ago.
@@tomrick9462 True. But not only HIS ego. Russia is an empire since 12 centuries. They have always been an empire, even when they were labeled “communists”. The ideology is tightly related with feodalism and nationalism.
@@tomrick9462Fuck, they are told by a person who really knows what he is talking about. The answer is Putin's ego, brilliant stupidity. People for whom the reason for the war is that Putin personally wanted it so much and once decided to seize Ukraine. Without People for whom the reason for the war is that Putin personally wanted it so much and once decided to seize Ukraine.
My dad told me one thing about politics that has stuck with me. Don’t be worried when left and right are fighting like cats and dogs. Really worry when both sides agree
@@antonolufayo7804 Well, it's been clear they're trying to prolong the Ukraine war as long as possible until the war itself becomes an existential threat to the stability of Russia. That's all of the left-wing of the Western countries and most of the right-wing... although for a lot of people it's just unwitting. Most people fall for propaganda immediately; their thinking doesn't go further than putting a Ukraine flag in their Twitter bio. And the easiest way in my mind to think of Putin is to relate him to Trump's big narrative, in this case: "Make Russia Great Again", except he's a lot shrewder. He certainly isn't going to stand for Russia crumbling.
if you're saying Putin is getting humiliated by Ukraine then we definitely got humiliated by Afghanistan. We couldn't get the job done in 20 years fighting guys in sandals and then left them billions in weapons while we left....
@@Avogadros_number Dude Russia has taken over 4 regions since the war started and controlled 15% until a week ago . What he said is not far from the truth ...
On 9/11 I was in high school and a classmate asked the teacher why we had been attacked. Her answer was "Because those people hate our freedom and way of life." Even as a freshman, I knew those were the words of a stupid person.
that Colbert Report clip of the fed talking openly about intervening in Ukraine's internal politics to start pulling them away from Russia and laughing about the possibility of war is absolutely disgusting. Note that clip has since been taken down from RU-vid.
Putin's trouble started when he refused to endorse gay marriage and make it a law , he won't back the sick perverted gay and insane transgender agenda, that's why Putin is hated worldwide the New World Order it's pushing a vile sick luciferian agenda Putin goes to church and he won't play the game that's why they want to eliminate him.Putin has been anti-gay and anti-trans from the beginning of his presidency he's going against the New World Order agenda and that's why they're coming down on him like a ton of bricks. , that are trying to pull Ukraine away from Russia and Russian influence. Ukraine will be a leading proponent of the gay agenda in Europe when war is all said and done , watch and see !
"Governments don't want a population capable of critical thinking, they want obedient workers, people just smart enough to run the machines and just dumb enough to passively accept their situation." George Carlin
It’s crazy how much misinformation we are fed on a daily basis by our rich and empowered officials. It’s absolutely nuts and I always said since the beginning “why would they accept missles that close to them?” It made no sense. But hey, what do I know? Great interview.
We staged the coup in Ukraine the US according to Victoria nuland who was caught on a hot mic saying it cost $200 million to stage the coup in Ukraine and it wasn't going to happen the way the EU thought it was
Turns out they have been able to hit anywhere on earth with those missiles since the 80s. Nuclear Armageddon is gonna happen once those nukes start flying regardless of how close the first missile launched is. So they've decimated their already old population distribution even more for a moot point. But hey, what do I know?
missiles close to them? my guy this aint ww2 anymore what are you waffling about NATO doesn't want missiles but eastern europe does want protection against their schizo neighbour. Funny how you didn't talk about them, you know the subject matter, the actual people living in sovereign countries who have been terrorized for all of recent history by one country. One country which doesn't get to decide what eastern european countries do. But sure, believe this guy who is straight up lying about simple historical documents which are not disputed in any respected forum.
As Americans, we've allowed our government to become too big, too strong and too corrupt. It's hard for me as a 24 year Army veteran to sit back and watch our country's power and influence disrupt / create conflicts often to distract us from horrific actions conducted behind the scenes of our elected leaders! I'm terrified of the world we're leaving for our children and grandchildren...
The problem is dumb people voting other dumb people into power. The fact that Herschel Walker - who can't formulate a single sensible thought - almost got 50% of the votes says enough. You all need to take some serious lessons in critical thinking.
I'm not trying to be a dick here. I have utmost respect my man. I'm British, my point I guess, is historically if our two countries along with other allies hadn't meddled/influenced and engage in proxy wars along with other forms of warfare. The world would look very different. It's not perfect, it's far from it. But better the devil you know. If the UK hadn't meddled in Hitler's great plan in 1939 along with France and 8 British colonies and former colonies and declared war to fight against a tyrannical state, the world would have a very different power dynamic that I'm not sure would be a lot of fun to live in. When Churchill visited your congress in 1942, had the United States decided not to meddle or continue to sit neutral like so many did then let's be honest mate we wouldn't be in a position to be sharing our opinions over a Joe Rogan podcast on the interwebs. Anyway, I appreciate your service, you should hold your head up high, I think it could be so much worse.
@@simonc9874 look before that. all those wars are started by tearing down the royal families and creating a central bank. Most of these wars after ww1 are there to give the power to the central banking systems to put country's into debt. This debt gives these Central banking systems the power and laws they want to control the world. the new world order - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xguam0TKMw8.html
Now y'all know what Russia-gate was all about. Getting you ready for the big hate-fest when the war starts. Hope y'all are supporting the current thing!!
Unprovoked usually means provoked in the higher realm of political figures. When they say something they usually mean the opposite. These people are souless.
This guy is an idiot and he knows nothing about Vladimir Putin's behavioural patterns. If any peace deals were to take place, Russia would invade a couple years later - after demilitarising Ukraine - making the occupation that much easier. This was never a war for Donbas, and if you still think it was then you're misinformed. Americans miss the urgency of this kind of stand that Ukraine is making against their invaders. This interview is months old, so I'm going to give the clown in the video the benefit of the doubt, but we've learned just how irrational Putin is since the war broke out. The fact that Russia has so clearly attempted to genocide the Ukrainian peoples and we still have people like this calling for "peace" makes me lose hope. Imagine if the tables were turned. Imagine Russia was trying to take a part of the US. You wouldn't be so quick to call for peace now, would you? If you don't involve yourself in Eastern European politics and you don't have an active interest in this situation, its best you just be quiet and abstain from sharing your opinion.
The sheer amount of propaganda aimed at Ukraine coming DIRECTLY from the Kremlin was insanity. This dude, Dave Smith, didn't mention Russia's insane attempts at taking over the culture of Ukraine nor did he mention the OVERWHELMING vote of the Ukrainian people in 1991 to separate from Russia. What a fool!
I usually gloss over episodes where Joe interviews comics, but I'm so glad I took the time to listen to this. This was one of the best episodes with a comic in a long while where they discuss real world problems.
Russia could unilaterally win a nuclear war. For nearly a year now they have been manufacturing more air defense missiles than the entire world combined. Meanwhile their nuclear missile capabilities are far superior to the rest of the world. They can predictably intercept the solid fuel systems that western nukes use.
I realized he was full of shit the moment he mentioned "the simple decision to give up Donbass". I wonder what states USA would give up in the beggining of a war to stop an invasion
Learning to not interrupt is the best conversational trick I know. You can improve your conversations overnight just by listening completely and not compulsively interjecting.
No institution in America has America’s best interests at heart. Most Americans have NEVER heard this. The schools do not teach it, the government doesn’t discuss it (publicly anyway…) and the media doesn’t report it. So glad this is being shared. We are doomed unless we wake up.
Never going to happen. Atleast until a good portion of the baby boomers are dead and in the dirt. They're the very generation with authority and influence over literally everything you just said. They refuse to retire, they refuse to just take their money and fade into irrelevancy. They've lost 2 wars and caused multiple financial crises. I'm not saying a country should be ran by 20 or even 30 year olds. But it should be ran by people who will be subjected to their decisions in the following decades. These old dinosaurs will be the death of us all. Nearly all of the world leaders are in/around their 70's. You need to be 35 to be president and I think thats fair but after 65 you need to be O.U.T.
@@CASTRO45ACP They are willfully ignorant. The only thing that can change their mind now is God's punishment, just like in the Old Testament. People back in the Old Testament could only understand God's punishments and miracles that were done to teach the people only by having God do that directly and obviously. All you can do is to pray for God to have mercy on your neighbours who are neck deep in these lies and do not know the truth.
Really? he's been doing this for years and on so many different subjects and guest's this is the only thing you could come up with to comment?! Seriously, that he let's them talk?! Fml.
If you look up "Dave Smith Ukraine" his channel doesn't even come up. RU-vid doesn't want people to see what he has to say, but silencing Joe Rogan would be too overt.
I found immediately as soon as I put in search. Keep believing it some kind of secret information…. It what satan wants you to believe. Be fooled and deceived….it is your choice!!!!
@@satanicmuffin9309 but why are you so interested in what Joe Rogan says? He does know at least something about Ukrain or russia ? In the video, two guys not involved in the topic at all, just are sitting and telling bullshit.
Millons of innocent people lose their lives at the eastern side of the world (with middle east and Gazza) AND millons of innocent people lose their wealth in the US just because US government chooses war and conflict instead of negotiating. Ukrainian war could be prevented and tens of thousands of people could be alive (and Ukraine could be in a better shape than it is now) if US had chosen to negotiate.
@@OneTwo023The USA promised to remove the Jupiter missiles from Turkey, but demanded that the USSR keep that part of the agreement secret,. The USSR did so, and the USA quietly removed the Jupiters.
The problem with this entire situation is that it’s damn near impossible to talk about all of the nuance without being accused of sympathizing with Putin, there’s a lot going on here with this whole thing that must be discussed. We’re being dragged into a potential war on a table of lies
Exactly. 👍 The people who brought you so many lies to get into wars all over the Middle East are now expecting you to belive more lies and garbage that could end all life on earth.
It's an unprovoked war. Russia must be stopped. I don't see the alternative. If Russia won't negotiate, they need to lose. Otherwise, you have another WWII Germany, just steamrolling through Europe. This is important, more important than people's pet theories on the military industrial complex. Sometimes the military is necessary, and this is a true defensive mission, a battle for the sovereignty of Eastern Europe as a whole.
@@adamblack267 nope, excusing Russia's invasion is unacceptable. They invaded because they want more control by force. They know nato isn't a threat. But when Russia falls all of Europe will benefit as they'll all be safe.
@@77beltsa lot of former cabinet members of previous administrations have warned about this for a very long time. Many strongly advised against this and even resigned over it, because they knew NATO expansion this far was going to provoke Russia.
@@judd73 doesn't matter, we don't bow down to aggressors. If countries want to join nato, they have every right to do so. Russia been invading them for far too long
@@vasvas8914 started by the separatist coz Ukraine banned their language. Saying if you speak or even think in russian then go back to Russia, ignoring the fact that donbas is their ancestral land. Humor me for a second, what do you think would happen if canada banned French. Would the Quebec people not rise up. Or if Spain banned the Catalan language. Yes the answer would be separatist would rise up wanting secession.
As a middle Eastern I'm glad that he brought up the middle East. It always baffles me when Western media asks "why do they hate us"? I mean are you for real?
What had the US done to justify the 1993 world trade center bombing, the 1998 US embassy attacks in Kenya and Tanzania, the 2000 attack on the USS Cole and 9/11? Support Israel? Really?
No doubt. Well, people have zero understanding of our history and honestly on some level believe the absolute idiotic line that our business is spreading freedom. 😂
The "we run the world" egoism of many, MANY Americans is their biggest weakness, by far. The opinions of the interviewee in question is just that kind of stupid. ^^ Love from Slovenia
Can somebody tell me why I keep getting notifications that somebody gave me a thumbs up or comments and then when I go to see what the hell RU-vid's talking about there's nothing there?
@@matei7702 I live in Ukraine. Agreements with Russia are not worth the paper they are written on. So, let me repeat, this pseudo-expert does not understand anything, what a di***head V. -Putin- Putler is and who the people of Russia really are and how they treat other peoples (spoiler - they(for the most part) do not consider anyone as human, it's easier to say they are imperialists). If you think he is saying the right things, then I have bad news for you... Russia will always hate USA, even though America has helped Russia many times to no avail (for example ARA)
"Your empire's hands look a lot cleaner when you get to decide when history starts, and what parts of it don't count." - James S.A. Corey, Persepolis Rising
You Americans live only by the fake fear imagine the suffering you have impose on other Nations. I am from Poland and don't worry about nuklear onec they do it is all over no fear no worries. The worst is the media terror and stupid people are more harmful and degerous really again fighting for years why, for what, for who?!!! Americans will fight with Russia to the last Polish man watch out people. We had onec freedom from Germany by Americans pictures and vidios made in Auschwitz the leave under USSR. But this war was finnance from New York and Prescot Bush grandfather Gorge Bush yeah what an epic family happy Americans. Both sides are dangerous not to play with sneaky and well maintain by Banking Cartel prabobly in Swizerland FED i their IMF and BIS.
Just look at how many massacres Israel has caused in Palestine and if you were born today… you wouldnt even know the way that everyone has forgotten and allows it to still happen unchecked
"Japan instigated a completely unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbor." (Never mind the oil embargoes, rejecting Ambassador Nomura's countless pleas for peace, or the US fleet preparing to retake Southeast Asia). Even though Japan was a transgressor, Americans swallow up the most facile and convenient simplifications.
@@rogbrogb5341 the correct Ukrainian presedent is elected so you can repeat your ideotic propaganda as much as you want, zelenskis win was even an opset😂😂😂😂
As a European sometimes I feel really sad when I hear American 'experts' talk about the geopolitics with such confidence and yet so little actual understanding of the situation.
I'm pretty sure Dave Smith is just a comedian. But your point is well taken. Most Americans do present themselves as experts even if they're just hearing about something today.
@@criticalmoment3859 Anyone who comes to Joe Rogan expecting a super-critical, thoroughly researched discussion of anything is the kind of person who wouldn't understand it even if it was presented to them with diagrams. See what I mean?
@@user-wm5rt9pw5l its a comparison to help Americans better understand Russias situation. I don't think in reality Russia and Mexico have much to do with each other but remember in ww2 Japan and Germany were allys eventhough they don't share geographical location so.... anything is possible
@@John-bv1lx This comparison is deceiving. If you want to make analogies, make them honest and add details about how the US annexed part of Mexico or that the US President does not consider the Mexicans a separate nation and Mexico is the "historical land" of the US.
@@user-wm5rt9pw5l im sorry if my comment confused you but it's not deceiving at all. It's a simple comparison totally valid. It's a youtube comment and not a 3 page essay so ofc it's basic... But yeah historically Ukraine only exists in this state since 30 years so a lot of culture and boarders in East Ukraine do overlap with Russia... also some facts I didn't include. You're probably just triggered because you think I'm pro russian haha
@@user-wm5rt9pw5lAmerica has been illegally invading and occupying foreign nations, propping up dictators in their lands, and draining them of oil and resources for the last 60 years. Yet you expect me to believe in this last year alone, the same warhawks such as Bush, Obama, and Clinton’s (who support this current war) took a complete 180 turn and are now somehow the good guys? Get real you mindless sheep.
May 12, 1996, Madeleine Albright, when asked by a journalist about the 500,000 deaths of Iraqi children due to sanctions, she justified these coercive measures with a famous phrase: “it was worth it” in order to overthrow the Iraqi government. Nothing has changed.
They had a deal with all nuclear powers not just Russia. Plus, it was in place until Ukraine is a non block country. Once they added joining NATO in their constitution deal was over.
The Viet Cong tunnel are both fascinating and terrifying at the same time. Lots of booby traps,venomous snakes and big ass centipedes. Out of many tunnel rats (US soldiers) sent to enter the tunnel only 12 survived. Can't imagine what its like down there.
They used to send pretty much dwarfs (little people) into the tunnels originally because they were way smaller and could move easier. They were not treated well by their American compadres until they saw the tunnels they had to go into and clear out, then they were given probably the highest amount of respect a soldier could give.
When I was a teenager, and we went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, I was completely against it. So were all my friends who I agreed with on almost everything politically. Twenty years later, my politics have changed in almost every way, but I'm still against war and warmongering. Unfortunately, somehow, all my friends who were so against war and warmongering as teenagers now seem really hyped to project American military power. What changed? The media messages they were consuming.
No. Your friends were against the afghan and iraq wars because America was the invader. This time russia is the invader. Your friends have morals which you don't.
They say he's losing to the poorest country in Europe but yet the poorest country in Europe is receiving multibillions of dollars worth of high-tech weaponry
Yea, I just punched you in the face. That's just happened. That's what police and other people should know. There was no reason, but i did. Let's not talk about you beating my kid five minutes ago. Let's not overanalyze the situation.
@@waterboi4846 My kid annoyed you, maybe he put shit into your lunch. I don't know, but there have to be some reason. Everything has cause. Every man has his own motivation behind his actions. Except maybe for people with big problems with mental health, when they are basically braindead. Such a naive thing to believe that things just happen if you talk about interaction between people.
@@grYEAHt111 sometimes people act irrationally, like someone beating a kid. plenty of countries behave like this. westerners always gotta cope because they are too comfy to look reality in the eye
This is the problem with the American education system and the American media in general. They are both not interested in teaching their students and viewers how to think, instead they are focused on teaching them what to think.
Yeah, but if they teach the "how to" then most people would spot their corruption. Luckily for the govt, a lot of people could not see the truth... even the Left was supporting Neo-Nazis & Chanting Azov, Azov like an idiot they are. The LEFT has become a warmonger through over the years of inability to discern truth, falsehood & deception.
Vladimir is super concerned with teaching people how to think. That's why eastern europe loves him so much. They all want to vote referendums by gunpoint.
You know what? I thought he was talking nonsense when he said 'then they put a CIA guy there' (on the board of Burisma Holdings). But it's fucking true... wtf? His name is Cofer Black and he's the former director of the CIA's Counterterrorism Agency. Damn.
One thing I was told growing up in America as a man was be ready to go to war. My grandfather got drafted for ww2..my father got it for Vietnam. I got lucky I didn't...I pray the same for the young men in our country...war is hell!
@@NoName-hs4ov is this a legitimate question? Or are you just bored and want a reason to start drama? I dont logically think war would be anything less than hell incarnate.doesnt matter wether youve been in war or not,the notion of war is to kill other men over different beliefs and nowadays the weapons we use will inhumanly tear you apart and leave you a bloody husk.imagine seeing your comrades youve bonded with blown to pieces in front of you.war is hell plain and simple.it sure isnt heavenly thats for sure.
Why do you say that? I don't think he was shocked in the way of being surprised about what he saw. But it is really startling to see how relevant and true a seemingly non significant slightly comical bit suddenly became in today's reality.
The military industrial complex have totally orchestrated this war from before Ukraine was even a country and have been pushing to keep it going and escallating it every step of the way. The war was totally and completely provoked.
As someone who considers himself better informed than the average American, it’s frightening just how little I know about this Russia-Ukraine conflict from the sheer lack of coverage by corporate media.
All he did was to spout russian propganda without actually ever double checking the sources. You and DAve smith are supporting genocidal army of ped-files.
The previous Chancellor of Germany said if Ukraine joins NATO it's immediate war with Russia. In 2021 she left office. In 2022 Ukraine starts proceedings to join NATO and here we are. Also Russia wanted Ukraine's offshore oil rigs primary reason they took Crimea in 2015. Putin wants Ukraine's oil and doesn't want weapons there pointing at Russia. He panicked when his puppet fled the country.
he should have interrupted him and told him all of that he was saying is bs though. 1. Russia had a signed pact with Ukraine to never attack them so they gave up their nuclear arsenal to Russia. Putin also told everyone right before the invasion, that they will not invade Ukraine. So therefore any deal with Putin and Russia is worthless as they will break it. Russia will never leave Ukraine (if not forced). Every eastern country knows that. Russia cannot be threatened by NATO anyway (its a defense pact). How can you threaten a nuclear superpower? Putin only doesn't like NATO because then he could not simply attack a country without activating NATO. As long as you not invade a NATO country there will be no issues. 2. There is no signed contract that NATO will never expand east. 3. To the argument that we need to listen to Putin why he hates the west and why he is attacking Ukraine: here are a couple of fake and random reasons from Putin: - Ukraine is committing genocide against ethnic Russians - Ukraine isn't a real country - De-nazify Ukraine - NATO expansion - Ukraine may be using Nuclear weapons in the future 4. The referendum from 2014 was fake and everybody knows that. There was also a referendum about the annexed parts of Ukraine. everybody could witness live how they lied, threatened people and faked the whole thing. The real reason is to expand Russia and gain more power
@@P4nopticon not nearly as bad as some. There's a fine line you walk I think it does a pretty good job of it but there are so many who are just bloody freaking awful at it.
Well sometimes you have to. Russia threats to nuke if someone fights back. So what do you want to do then? They will take Ukraine, Estland, Finnland and so on. A life in fear is not a wearthy life to live.
Hi! A Croatian here. I remember the impact that Soros backed NGOs had in this region in 90ties and early 2000. I was completely blinded by the sweet talk of freedom, democracy, equality... Looking back i can see i understood little and i was falling into a propaganda trap. It was all aimed for us to lose our sovereignty. And they have succeesed sadly.
There is a great documentary on the breakup of jugoslavia who focuses on the parts that are not told in the mainstream history.. The weight of chains on youtube
The amount of stuff I hear about what former Yugoslavia used to be by western people boggles me. Complete arrogant innacuracy. They almost feel affronted when I tell them it's bs & I was born & lived there to prove it. Then apparently I was brainwashed lol.
@@cynicalahole7131 Weight of chains also tells a story from a perticulair side. Alot of BS in those docs, and im saying this as a guy who lived through that war... However its still more precise than many of the mainstream narratives.
No, but I can say according to Gorbachev, it was referencing not expanding to eastern Germany. In that time it makes sense too. East of Germany everything was either soviet territory or part of the Warsaw pact so there literally was nowhere for NATO to expand beyond that.
@@bloodinmyveins6202 CNN is more accurate than this. Because CNN is a MSM channel does not mean it's false. Because Rogan is a RU-vidr does not mean he and his guests are right. Contrarianism is just as stupid as conformism. You wanna know the truth about the war and Russia in general? Talk to an average Finn, Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Pole or Romanian. Or to a Georgian or a Moldovan, only be careful: 20% of Georgia and Moldova have been occupied by Russia for decades, gotta be mindful which parts you visit. Or any Beralusian forced to leave their country in 2020, thanks to Lukashenko and his ability to count on Putin to suppress any pro-western uprisings. Talk to anyone leaving next to Russia. The closer you are to Russian borders the more truth you'll discover
I love JRE because Joe let's his guest finish speaking. He listens and understands. He answers with well thought out responses or questions. It's refreshing to actually hear someone finish a paragraph let alone a sentence without someone trying to one up what they have to say.
Yes, and it's mind numbingly infuriating trying to watch those late night host after long form podcasts like JRE. Like you have to lower your IQ and attention span to connect.
I hope we never do either, so blessed to have two oceans as boundaries, and also the number 1 most important amendment to the US Constitution, the one amendment that protects and paves the way for all others. Stay strong 2A supporters...
What scares me most is that the fate of humanity is in the hands of two senior citizens, one with clear signs of dementia and the other who looks like a wax figurine who can barely hold himself while sitting. These are the 2 most powerful political figures and I wouldn't trust them with an Amazon order, let alone a whole country.
Not really, to launch nukes both in the case of Russia and the US they need the aproval of senior political and military leaders. Its not all in the hands of one man.
@@stashtrey1 To blow up the world? I doubt that very much. People who go woke do it out of selfishness and for their own benefit, if demented old man Biden wanted to nuke Russia because he confused it with Syria i don't think they would just go along with it.
Well almost all pro-russian RUSSIAN SPEAKING RU-vidrs got removed from the platform Besides Russian tv channels are banned in EU and USA It's funny that that move was called "protection of free speech" Orwell at best
Exactly sure the West and Russia have been trying to get their way in Ukraine for years. But what do the actual majority of the people want ? There can be no question what the majority of the Ukrainian people want. The Ukrainian people have demonstrated there will. The 2015 Donbass referendum was no better than the one in Crimea or the latest one. The only referendum that was legit was in 1991. That the Russians agreed with incidentally.
Because it’s not actually about that. If that was the case the billions being wasted and thrown around would be in humanitarian aid and medical supply not military aid Unfortunately the people of Ukraine are just pawns
Yeah this was a very "America centric" view of Eastern European politics. Completely ignores the historical situation of the Ukraine and Russian relations and the modern views of Ukraines. Also devoid of a realistic idea of what the donbas means for Ukraine. The power Putin has over Belarus is due to the dependance on natural resources. Cut out the Donbas and Russia can blackmail Ukraine till the ends of the earth.
Because everyone who follows the politics of this war, knows it's West vs Russia, Ukraine is the puppet to be used for the war, because NATO doesn't want to involve directly as that could mean nuclear war. Also what Ukrainians want is really confusing since part of them votted to be with russia.
Okay, let’s go from the start. 1. The war is not on Russian border, it’s happening on the large part of Ukrainian soil. 2. Nobody told Ukraine not to negotiate. That’s a made up fact right there. All Russia wanted from the negotiations was to Ukrainian government to resign and the army to stop fighting which was unacceptable. They did not want to change their minds. 3. The only provocation on this conflict was first, the invasion of Crimea, then the Donbas region conflict that was fully made and financed by Russia. It’s nothing about NATO, Putin actually does not give a F about it. The evidence for that is Finland and Sweden joining NATO now. Russia had nothing against it. 4. The 2014 revolution was fully organised by Ukrainian people. And the West had nothing to do about it. People did not want to get closer to Russia all that Russia always wanted and was doing was to destroy Ukrainian culture. They’ve been killing us for hundreds of years and we still remember that. We wanted to join EU, something that meant a greater future for us. 5. The Poroshenko was not fully a pro west president and had nothing to do with it. Actually the majority of his business was done with Russia, but that’s a whole different story. America did not decide who and where would lead Ukraine after it. We had an honest election here. 6. Joe Biden’s son story is his own business story that had nothing to do with politics. 7. Donbas region was overtaken by Russia, then, militarised by Russia, fully financed by Russia, that had a made up referendum with no international observer during the process. Fake referendum. As the one they are doing right now again.
or maybe once you believed the hype, now you have been red pilled. Lol. Remember when Eminem had balls, when crime meant you get locked up, and when men were men and boys were boys and everyone knew what a women was! Ahh yes the good old days! LETS TAKE EM BACK!
We will never understand these rulers of communist countries. I feel a lot of it started with little bush but I honestly did like him Even though I'm a Democrat. And it has only gotten worse
All your official news has long looked like a show of hypocrisy and propaganda. I first saw it in 2014 when I was abroad. It seemed that the world collapsed, and it was just your stupid channels covering the coup in Ukraine. Then I returned home and calmly analyzed the situation. Then my friends went to take their relatives out of the Donbass, and someone stayed there to fight for another two years. For us, this war began in 2014. Greetings from Russia!
@@user-fd7ce4rs1m the question is do US can stop funding and overthrown other gov who doesn't want side with them? How many country they overthrown gov, middle east country so chaos. US want all country in this world under his feet, not by conquer land but to do what the ask to do.. that the problem the world face it right now. you can see now US want all country to stop doing business with Russia, that why the install puppet gov which pro-west.
Or better yet stop demonizing white Christian European Russia. Who would relentlessly do such a thing in their media? hmmmmmmm. Putin just said in his speech the Soviet Union is over and they are not going back to that, but western media still pumping the Cold War rhetoric. USSR started in 1920, when America still had decades more racial segregation to go. Also, you can blame the UK elites for Trotsky, Marx and the subsequent slaughters. Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing is also sound advice. So is don't watch MSM or late night tripe.
Sounds good and all but no, they're lying to you. America didn't need to start a cue, the people didn't want to join Russia and that's why Russia had to bribe their corrupt president and thats why they're currently defending themselves against Russia and not simply joining them but of course (since Russia has nukes we must give them whatever they want, countries, your house and maybe your wife too because Putin wants to "liberate" her from you and who cares what she wants) - Putin fanboys.
He was mostly right about the Arab attacks on the US as they probably wouldn't have happened if it weren't for our governments meddling in the region prior. He's still repeating the "there were no WMD's in Iraq" line though which is outright false. Saddam used chemical weapons against villages in the late 80's and they were indeed found in the 2000's Iraq invasion.
As Georgian, even for me its pretty hard to go back and look at it all to understand the roots of the cause as it dates way back before even WW1 (1783 for Georgia). Short version is, our countries are subdivided into provinces similar to states in USA and they have local governments, under USSR officials were put in place to govern those provinces. As anything in soviet union they were corrupt people who decided to steal and plunder, eventually turning into local war lords. It took years to get rid of them and curb corruption as they were armed better than our own military in some cases. Why did we get rid of them? well they were abducting people both local and foreign, obstructing development and keeping people poor and uneducated. Now for all those people who think USA is the bad guy scheming in the background in every conflict, you're right USA provided intelligence to help win those internal conflicts, however what you forget is that Russia never sat doing nothing. Russian military was still present in Georgia after collapse of soviet union and they refused to leave, we were ready to accommodate them even build barracks for their men and provide food and infrastructure yet they refused to sign non-aggression treaty. In 2008 they activated their military in response to us trying to prevent acts of terror in Tskhinvali region (insurgents blowing up civilian and police infrastructure killing both policemen and civilians). Now why did they ignore other conflicts prior? (exception Apkhazia) well simple, they stopped military intervention once they got within reach of gas pipeline in Georgia supplying Turkey and EU so the answer is painfully clear. Ukraine is the same, its never about those people in Luhansk and Donbas, if it was about civilians then Russia wouldn't indiscriminately bomb civilian infrastructure, in Georgia we put our military infrastructure ways away from civilians yet they still came under fire, honestly if Russia wasn't a threat we wouldn't need to join NATO so...
Which was all one country called the USSR 30 years ago. Russia didn't invade Moldova. They never left when the USSR fell. In Georgia not all wanted to seperate from Russia. South Ossetia had a UN endorsed military Pact with Russia as its peace keeper and that's why Russia got involved. With Ukraine there own president in 2014 asked Russia for military assistance. TL;DR Russia isn't the argessor you think they are.
I suppose in ideal world everyone should be aware of psychology, formal logic, critical thinking and rhetoric. But in our real world we don't have much free time and should at least learn about cognitive biases (how our mind deceives us if in short) and critical thinking (never truly believe in anything , question statements and verify on our own in multiple sources). Daniel J. Levitin - A Field Guide to Lies: Critical Thinking in the Information Age Tom Chatfield - Critical Thinking Daniel Kahneman - Thinking, Fast and Slow. Let's learn and teach ourselves, my friends. For that purpose we don't have to go to college. The only thing we need is a deep wish to have truly independent and critical mind, put the efforts and have a practice. May the wisdom be with us!
