DC RUINED Flashpoint Batman 

Putting Thomas Wayne flashpoint Batman in the main universe was always a bad idea in my opinion.

Bringing him back in Tom Kings Run on Batman was the worst thing to have happened

Dc legit had a chance to play with murderhobo grandpa batman landing in prime timeline. And somehow didnt take the easy gold of going with "Thomas decides he gonna kill every villain in Gothams and then spoil his grandkids". Thomas wants to stab joker and then give Damian a hug before escaping into the night. Which could have been so satisfying, like can you imagine Thomas meeting Jason! Their convos and morality! It coulda be sooo good!

I always assumed Flashpoint Batman was nowhere close to the fighting skill levels of mainline Batman and had to rely on his smarts and weapons instead, which to me made him seem like a pretty cool underdog version of Batman. So of course King would fuck that up.

Thomas: Be happy, Bruce Also Thomas: Teams-up with Bane and other super-villains for the explicit purpose of making Bruce unhappy

I've said it before and I'll say it again: THEY SHOULD'VE USED MARTHA. Martha Wayne's Joker is SEVERELY underutilized, and putting her in Thomas' place during King's run would've fixed the MAJORITY of the problems involved. Unlike Thomas, her doing all of this would've ABSOLUTELY been in character for her, seeing as she broke even further upon finding out Bruce would become Batman & ALREADY killed her own Alfred to begin with! She even crippled her version of Selina for trying to "replace" Bruce, so she would have FULL reason to go after their relationship here. Not to mention: we NEVER got to see Bruce's reaction to her! All of these times Thomas is brought back, and Martha being his Joker is RARELY brought up, and NEVER around Bruce. Literally EVERYTHING was ripe for a good, gut-wrenching story with Martha being there, all unused to character assassinate Thomas. DC, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING!? I will say that the times Thomas was used AFTER Kings run were all surprisingly good, with the reborn Flashpoint timeline being GREAT, but the context behind it is so TRASH.

DC ruining a version of Batman.... Sucide Squad: Hold my beer.

Still think theres no damn way that old man of all folk could have gone toe to toe with Cassandra Cain of all people.

DC trying not to do Tim Drake dirty is impossible at this point.

Here's my top 10 best fighters in the batfamily: 1. Alfred 2. Alfred 3. Alfred 4. Alfred 5. Alfred 6. Alfred 7. Alfred 8. Alfred 9. Alfred 10. The batcow

They could’ve put Brendon Routh, Stephen Amell, Christian Bale, and even freakin Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern in the movie and I will still not watch The Flash with Ezra Miller.

Finally someone said it. I've been screaming into the void about thomas wayne being ruined by DC for a lone time now. It would have so nice if we have seen him reconnect with his son in a meaningful manner, maybe become a member of the bat family but he has his own city to deal with crime or just have an entire spin of series of him bonding with Bruce and all the other bat family members. A heart to heart with alfred could be poignant since alfred pretty much raised Bruce and the rest of the bat family like Tim, Dick, Jason and Damien. It would also be better if DC didn't kill him of and maybe have him around for a long enough time until he dies of old age. Sadly we don't live in a perfect society.

Bro is spitting facts for longest time. I was like damn the character assassination of Thomas Wayne Batman has to be studied.

Tommy boy should have never came back and him stealing Banes spotlight and taking all the credit just made it worse. It’s bad enough that DC is trying to replace Bane with Deathstroke but now Batman’s own dad is stealing his cred too

Thomas was so OP in that story for no reason 😭🙏

I never read the comics but Flashpoint is a storyline that would be way more satisfying had they done this in Chapter 3 or something of the DCEU, not as a Flash movie, but as a Justice League movie with all of the same actors as the members. And I wouldn’t have minded Michael Keaton’s Batman in The Flash movie IF THEY HADN’T FILMED THE WAYNE MURDER FOR THE 800TH TIME!!!!!

Tom Kings full of shit with most of his writing but that ranking was unreal, here’s the real one: Bruce Cassandra Dick Jason Tim Damian Kate Helena Duke Stephanie

M Enterprises be like "Another one" everytime he uses "ruined", "worse/worst", "hates", "problem" in the miniature.

I felt like the moment Thomas Wayne running into the white void erasing the flashpoint timeline in the story The Button was a good ending to Thomas and the flashpoint timeline as a whole.

Tom King is, in many respects, very similar to Peter Milligan: They're good when writing original characters or characters with not a lot of lore or established characterisation. That's why "The Omega Men", "Strange Adventures" or "The Human Target" worked, because they're backstory-less enough for King to be able to add his own touches of PTSD and post-modern philosophy. Obviously he can write characters with pre-established backstories pretty well (Mr. Miracle, the Vision...) but even when he does that he tends to make a lot of stuff up (Such as Victor Mancha's vibranium adiction or Mr. Miracle and Barda being mentally much worse than we thought). But when writing characters like Batman or the Flash, who have very established and detailed psychological profiles and backstories, his retcons and need to add pathos everywhere becomes a hinderance becomes it comes at the cost of proper characterisation

Lowkey I dont blame Tom King for Heroes in Crisis. I blame editorial for mandating what happened over what King wanted to do.

Tom King is the Dan Slott and Zeb Wells of Batman.

Tom King 👑 should stay away from flashpoint Batman

The Human Target was TRAAAAAASH😭 He is just some weird writer with mommy issues. I want my money back like for real, so mad I was convinced to read that run.

The only good usage of him for main Batman would be making him one of the three, in my headcanon, to retire, but by fricking some serious father-son talk, not by fricking making him evil. For example Flashpoint Thomas and Martha gets into main universe by some multiverse shenanigans, and Bruce have a true talk with them. That would be awesome in my opinion. But characters in comics can't retire of course.

They could have brought in a new character called the Bat King and that he is an ancestor of Bruce Wayne and he’s a vampire and that he has his own Justice League as monsters.

Jeffrey Dean Morgan should have been flashpoint Batman in the flash. his walking dead spin off with Maggie also released the same year the flash did wonder brothers loves missing out on Monday🤦🏾‍♂️

After Alfred was killed by Bane. I stopped reading Batman modern comics.

DC literally can't help themselves milking everything Batman. They do have other heroes dc just forgets

Ranking Alfred Spider-Man Alfred Superman Idk I forgot Me Batman

The wedding arc ending without Selina and Bruce getting married was the company’s fault, not Mr. King’s fault.

10:36 My list is 1. Cass 2. Dick 3. Bruce 4. Jay 5. Damion 6. Tim 7. Kate 8. Steph 9. Duke

Tom kings Batman run will remain one of the worst things I’ve ever read in my life. I liked that he was moving Batman’s story forward with him getting a wife that fits him the kite man stuff was good but I mean the worst ending ever to a string along story

Tom king problem is that he wants to be like Alan Moore , he's always trying to deconstruct characters , and his characters are just there to push the plot cause he has no regards for the characters he's writing

Thomas Wayne getting Alfred killed is insane, the man he trusted his wife and child’s life with.

Bruce Wayne story should just end cuz he never changes or evolves and his conflicts always go in circles

Hell the Flashpoint movie ruined Flashpoint Batman for me. Mainly the voice acting and art style he had. I haaaaate the art direction of Flashpoint Paradox. Those Jowls. That reddish looking suit. The 5 o’clock shadow on the jowls. He LOOKS like he smells. But comic Flashpoint Batman, he was dope. Fun design. I understand that movie was most peoples first and even only experience with flashpoint and flashpoint Batman. But that movie doesn’t fully land for me. In fact, I often see it as the beginning wind up for when I stopped digging the DC animated movies, while Justice League War was the swing.

The only good thing about that flash movie is super girl and Michael Keaton and zod sometimes which is so confusing when this is supposed to be a flash movie

9:32 I never saw this….excuse me?! And we let Tom King COOK (until they didn’t)?! Tim isn’t the best fighter in the family, but the BOTTOM?! Under Kate, Helena, Duke, and STEPHANIE? Get outta here. Why do they hate him so much? Not to say King didn’t do so great stuff. Vision, Mister Miracle, that Superman story I can’t remember the name to when he and Bendis switched for a second. But woof. I have PTSD to his Batman run

Personally, I would've much rathered see Thomas Wayne enter the main timeline and have his story be bonding with the family. Like, imagine how he'd actually react to seeing all of Bruce's children, and how he'd interact with them all. I'd also love to see him interact with Bruce more, and even Alfred given Alfred was the one who basically raised Bruce in the main timeline. I wish we'd got that instead of blatant character assassination.

tom king's batman run was my personal national tragedy

4:44 Screw me😢..... this was the perfect ending not just for Thomas' Batman but for Bruce's as well. This whole time, Batsy's been stuck on that same day his parents lost their lives, never truly having a life because he thinks he doesn't deserve happiness. Then, the writers gave him *literal permission!* From the one person, aside from his mom, who Batman needed to hear it from, and they just leave it at that?

First off, never ever let Tom touch Batman again, second if WB had judt adapted the actual Flashpoint storyline they could've made serious money, likr imagine a scene where Gal's Wonder Woman cuts off the head of Amber Heard's Mera after the Johnny Depp trial - the movies would made a billion just off off that alone. Lastly, once again - Tim Drake is disrespected and disrespectfully underrated.

I never was a particular fan of the Flashpoint Batman cause with the fact that Barry's actions created differences both in the past and the future you could basically shape Thomas in whoever you wanted. Normally i would say that doesn't make any sense that Thomas is so skilled when it comes to combat skills and firearm use but, since Flashpoint changes both the past and future events of a universe, it makes sense in this case. As for Tom King is a terrible writer, he doesn't write scripts for the characters, he adapts the characters to his scripts. The only reason why people appreciate stories like Human Target or Strange Adventures is that they don't know anything about these characters, characters like Adam Strange, Mr.Terrific, Ice or even Martian Manhunter. That's why a lot of people don't like his Batman run or Heroes in Crisis, cause Batman and Wally West are popular and have lots and lots of fans. Up in the sky was a good story but it had a lot of problems like that entire Superman/Flash run issue that was a series of splash pages flooded with baloons from a 5 year old girl that speaks in a more refined and proper way than Morgan Freeman

Tom king scares me that he’s involved in the dcu.

It sucks that he wasn’t in the flash live action, Michael Keaton could’ve played him

Bane breaks Batman. Warner Bros and DC Comics full on deconstruct the hell out of him and turn him into a Frankenstein's Monster of some of the character mixed with awful "who wrote this shite" ideas. It seems this applies to non-Bruce Batmen as well. I think we can agree which is worse.

The flashpoint beyond event was such a let down I legitimately considered writing a fanfic

I hope they never bring him back, what were they thinking when they made him come back in Tom Kings run 😭😭😭

9:30 So this guy writes for DC's all-time biggest character, but he isn't even aware that the main DC universe hasn't been called Earth 1 in over 40 years? Aren't these people supposed to be aware of at least the basics of the lore behind the fiction they've been hired to contribute to?

See I wouldn't mind Flashpoint Batman and Martha in the main universe for a short time. You just have to write it well. But to do this shit that I'm seeing is Insane

So Thomas Wayne wanted batman to stop being batman and be happy….yet he…stops the wedding between Selina and Bruce while other characters believe their marriage would lead to him stop being batman…him being left on the altar leads batman to further spiral and become worst which results to him beating Mr freeze to death. Then after that he allows Dick Greyson to basically die furthering making batman spiral and getting rid of his happiness puts him in nightmare scenarios that don’t discourage bruce from being batman by saying see how happy you’d be without batman but just does random nightmares then after the desert experiment doesn’t work he becomes the batman of evil gotham and decides to…kill Bruce’s father figure instead of just killing all criminals who’d make it necessary for him to be batman… like his goal and his actions contradict each other

The best ending for him was EITHER dying with the Flashpoint universe OR telling Bruce he wants him to be happy, and Bruce finding happiness while still being Batman.

Because Tom King served in the military, I think he believes he's Batman. It's like Frank Miller asked him, "If Batman could be anyone, why does he have to be you?" Also, He's a simp. And that's how he wrote Batman.

8:20 let him get up😂

They straight gave flashpoint Batman straight character assassination. I get he didn’t want Bruce to keep the Cowl, but I highly doubt the guy would let Alfred, the man who raised his child when he died, to die such a horrible death. Lately, I can understand why people prefer Marvel over DC. And I’m not just talking about the movies.

They really want to make thomas batman a thing,

Tom king list was diabolical 😭 the real list is 1.Bruce 2.Dick 3.Cassandra 4.Damien 5.Jason 6.Tim 7. Stephanie 8.Kate 9.Duke 10.Helena

This was the worse decision. I'd imagine fans were insanely pissed at King's "AMAZING" plot. Dear lord, this is why I don't bother reading Comics anymore because of this... or how the DCMU handled the Flash movie. Just more trash all around!

Tom king is one of the worst things to happen to the batman mythos. I might have a bigger negative bias towards him because of what he did to Nightwing but man what he did to flashpoint batman is criminal

they could have easily saved it too by having Alfred’s death be too far a move for Thomas Wayne and he could betray Bane and his group. Then they could’ve decided if they really wanted Alfred to die or be saved by Thomas.

geezus, they freaken hate everything related to Batman nowadays

Tim gotta get some better representation

Barry Allen should have been kept DEAD in Crisis on Infinite Earths. This Flashpoint Paradox story should have been Wally West … Dc passed the mantle of green lantern to John Stewart and The flash to Wally west … Not every character needs to pass their mantles … but some? YES.

Those comic event are crazy…

DC didn't ruin flashpoint Batman, tom king did. Tom king assassinate every character he writes. Probably the worst male writer at DC currently

Because they ruined the flashpoint batman. I now prefer the Earth 2 version of batman. He is also thomas wayne but he remains cool the whole time. It's the new 52 stuff.

Why do they be hating on Tim as if he wouldn’t whoop all they ass except probably Bruce and nightwing he is the second prodigal son

While it was terribly executed, I believe that they could have made putting Thomas Batman in the mainline stuff at least tolerable. Like, having him remind Bruce of his desires but Bruce wanting Thomas to have a normal life like before he was Batman refuses to do so leading Thomas to have a discussion with Alfred, his grandson, and "grandsons" about how to convince Bruce to give up the mantle where Alfred would, as only he would, say in a sarcastic style tone that he tried at first but like his father, he's as stubborn as a mountain in such matters. Thomas would end the talk looking at Damian asking if they want Bruce to ever be happy and if they'd be willing to do whatever it takes placing a look of contemplation on the four brothers which Dick, Jason, and Tim would almost immediately decide that Bruce is happiest as Batman while Damian would be 50/50 on it as he would want his entire family to be happy and somewhat normal. Meanwhile Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian would tell Selina that Bruce deserves his share of happiness and she makes him happy while telling her that the marriage wouldn't weaken him as he'd have more of a reason to be Batman and have the wedding happen anyway, after some time, have Bruce and Selina have a little baby who they would then name Helena.

The thing is, Tom Wayne's Batman wouldn't have worked out in the DCEU, because the main Batman was already a ruthless killer.

Lore of DC RUINED Flashpoint Batman momentum 100

It’s almost like they hate Batman

It's wild I've never seen a single person have so many W takes. Phenomenal appreciation of the medium and characters 👏🙏

He couldn’t even put the right Earth! 9:28

1:31 that's why I will ALWAYS argue that animation is just the best form to tell superhero stories The animated flashpoint film is one of the best dc movies of all time. Like I just don't get how if Manga and Anime can do this, why can't Americans comics. And NO, you don't need to go back and do all the older stories but picking one of the best runs of the characters would give you some of the best animated TV and movies out there. Still waiting for a faithful darkest night/brightest day movie series Also an animated Marvel Civil War would be fun

Tom King please stay away from Batman

Siempre me parecio curioso Batman Flashpoint Es todo lo opuesto a lo que bruce pensaba de su padre

The thomas wayne and bane batman arc was the first time i thought a comic was so incredibly bad and stupid that i stopped reading. Sins past and one more day were already well hated before i was really a teen or adult

Real list, coming through! 10)Leslie Thompkins 9)Jim Gordon 8)The Left Half of Two-Face 7)Lucius Fox 6)Rupert Thorne 5)Alfred 4)The Right Half of Two-Face 3)Batman 2)Man-Bat 1)Abner

To be honest, I would have been interested to see what DC would have done with Flashpoint Batman if he actually come with Batman and Flash during the events of The Button. What kind of relationship would he have with Bruce and the rest of the Batfamily. He was from a different universe, but he was still Thomas Wayne. And maybe, after a little while, his wish for Bruce to stop being Batman could have actually happened, after Bruce marries Selina. But unfortunately, this isn't what happened. Such a shame. His whole character have been completely ruined with City of Bane.

I am just saying the end of the flashpoint arc with Batman getting the letter from his dad should’ve made him finally accept his parents death and accept the green lantern ring like how it was teased at the end of I think blackest night, when he said to Hal on why he isn’t a lantern that he isn’t ready yet and looked at the gun that killed his parents

Yes the disrespect that Tim Drake constantly gets honestly pisses me off

I'll never forgive them what they did to Alfred.

The only dtime they did him justice after Flashpoint was in The Button

After Bane loses and is sent to prison, guess who's there with him: Thomas Wayne. Bane proceeds to break his back and that was the last time DC ever mentioned Thomas Wayne. How to disrespect a father 101.

They really should’ve been doing what Gunn is doing ten years ago. I have very little faith that this new universe will be what we want.

There was no reason to have Flashpoint batman be the main villain of the run. Bane is a strong enough villain to ochestrate the entire run. I AM BANE was the best arc of that entire run because of it being a reverse knightfall of batman tiring out bane and Bane running through the strongest batman villains all night

1. Cassie Cain 2. Dick Grayson 3. Damian Wayne 4. Jason Todd 5. Tim Drake 6. Kate Kane 7. Helena Bertenelli 8. Barbara Gordon 9. Duke Thomas 10. Stephanie Brown

Batman and batfamily scaler here my top fighters are 1# Bruce 2#dick 3#damien 4#jason 5#cass 6#tim 7#babs Those are the ones I’m pretty set on currently as for others like duke, Helena, Kate ect I haven’t read enough about them

1. Batman 2. Cassandra 3. Nightwing 4. Damian 5. Tim 6. Barbara 7. Jason 8. Kate 9. Helena 10. Azreal

I'm just glad Joshua Williamson redeemed him with Infinite Frontier.

JEFFREY DEAN MORGAN AS THOMAS WAYNE BATMAN WAS SUCH AN INSANE POSSIBILITY TO FLOP

Aight, my ranking based off the characters king used would be: 1. Bruce 2. Dick 3. Cass 4. Tim 5. Jason 6. Damian 7. Helena 8. Kate 9. Stephanie Brown 10. Duke

WB definitely took an L with the first Flash film. Unacceptable.

1- Cain 2- Grayson 3- Todd 4- Bruce 5- Damian 6- Drake

Thomas Wayne soloing the Bat Family made me stop reading modern Batman comics until last year

Thomas Wayne Batman is DC's version of Spider-Gwen, a dead character in a superhero costume and just like Spider-Gwen he also got put into the main universe which was a mistake. He should have never been brought back.

1. Cass 2. Dick 3. Bruce 4. Tim 5. Jason 6. Damian 7. Kate 8.Steph 9. Duke 10. Helena

Another W vid from the goat, I agree with everything you said.

Flashpoint Batman is what Snyder wished his Batman was.