until you realize you can't just buy another module of the same size to double your capacity, you have to fork out for the larger capacity module and replace the unit entirely, leaving you with a useless (to you, probably) module you have to find something to do with, or it winds up in the trash. this spec is a regression in technology if implemented in desktops. the only way around that, is to make the motherboards larger, which is another regression. laptops and certain embedded solutions? Sure, makes perfect sense. not in desktops.
@@kenabi Just sell the old module on a 2nd hand market. Also, you already buy a memory replacement if you upgrade your memory anyway because mixing up memory modules (especially DDR5) could cause issues.
@@kenabi Sure, that's a con. but there are lots of pros which attract me. Like, I'm dedicated to air cooling - this will let me use bigger fans for the CPU cooler and cool the VRMs better. Plus, you can get better timings since the traces are shorter and more efficiently routed.
Thanks for the video. The metal frame you talk about (for feeding electricity to the fans) works also as spacers for the fans. That's useful feature for increasing the airflow area through the rad fin stack. Nice some engineers also think about this in the design. Thumbs up for this mounting design.
I think for most desktop users, memory frequency is more of a bottleneck than memory capacity. If that's really the only drawback of CAMM2, I'm all for it too.
We were "supposed" to have moved completely away from current memory designs, by switching to serial rather than parallel communication after DDR4 because of the signalling complexities, but I've heard nothing about it for years now, that seemed like the more practical thing than this CAMM thing.
@@ChrispyNut I think if it were more practical than CAMM2, it'd be at least talked about. After a short read about serial DRAM, it seems like it may fill some niches, but it comes at a tradeoff to convert the serial signal to a parallel signal. CAMM2's (and on-die memory's in some applications) approach seems to be the more practical solution.
true one less problem with cooler compatibility 👍 and since most itx motherboards dont even have more than 2 slots anyway I don't see any drawback for SFFs
CAMM2 is small enough it could be on the underside of the board, like some SSD slots as well. Then it could be even closer to the socket, in theory, reducing latency even more.
I really like the new CAMM2 for it to be universally implemented and DIMM module stopped at the DDR5, It just looks neat laying flat on the motherboard, so we can put bigger air cooler and maybe with small CAMM2 cooler if it ever runs hot
@@spankeyfish I'm not sure if that is correct as the side against the motherboard have pins so you can't add chips there. Besides, if it expanded horizontally enough where it allowed it, they will just put it on top so that problem is never even a possibility.
I think that two benefits that haven’t been discussed much are the fact that this memory config will be favorable to monoblock coolers as well as the reduced Z footprint being very ideal for SFF builds.
@@milescarter7803 True, a lot easier and less hazardous to clean fan blades when not jabbing fingers or towels into radiator fins/channels, and can freely access from both sides. If you're running a showpiece, in a dirty/dusty environment or just like to keep it neat clean - this or something like it would be very nice.
plus it could be part of their cases. Buy the fan you want, and just stick it in the frame. No wiring, no cable management. Now they need a GPU and motherboard with the power connection on the PCB, so the GPU can just be slotted in. Cable free PC compartment, nice and ultra clean.
@@pr0xZen I'm always shocked at the layer of thick dust on the AIO radiator under the fans when I clean it every three months or so, but it's no doubt due to household pets. Anything that makes dealing with that easier is a bonus.
I really like the CAMM2 modules, definitely seems like the future, mainly for laptops but I can definitely see it being nice on desktop as well (they could in theory put the CAMM2 modules on the back of the motherboard even closer to the CPU)
@@poppyrider5541 Unironically definitely possible with how camm2 is flatter and wider/taller. Let's just hope manufacturers, once cooling is needed, don't pull any stupid decisions for the displays. Like having them sit *right* against the heatsink..
Definitely agree with this but I don't agree with putting camm2 modules on the back of the motherboard. Especially since the back of the socket needs atleast a little bit of air blowing over it. But you could definitely have it closer to the front of the socket.
@@scarecrow5848 For sure, cooling on the backside would become an issue, I think it would be an interesting proof of concept for all the zero cable builds that are moving connectors to the backside.
i wonder if you can place CAMM2 module behind the cpu socket on motherboard, it would make more space at front, may be useful for sff builds, and may benefit in performance
Don't agree with putting it on the back of the motherboard: your CPU socket *needs* cooling, even if it's a small breeze going over it or just open ventilation. But you could easily put it closer to the CPU on the top of the motherboard.
CAMM2 is interesting. Not being able to go from 2 DIMMs to 4 is a drawback, but 4 DIMMs often have stability issues anyway and you still need a matching kit, so you often end up replacing 2 DIMMs with 4 new ones anyway. I think the main appeal of CAMM2 for me is being able to put a heatsink on it. DIMMs are finicky to cool because they're vertical, so no one really bothers to replace the manufacturer-provided heatsinks, but that shouldn't be an issue with CAMM2. I'm much more on board with putting a big heatsink on my RAM than on an SSD.
You don't really need a matching kit for 4 dims. I've done the 2-4 Dimms upgrade in my desktop without any real stability hit. Same speed and primary timings, but most definitely not a matching kit. Though I do agree with several of your positives for CAMM2.
@@RyuFelinshire You're absolutely correct about not needing matching DIMMs as long as the speed and timings are the same, but DDR5 is much more finnicky than DDR4. With DDR5, even matching kits (same speed, timings, and brand) typically won't run at the advertised speed/timings when using 4 sticks. Using 4-sticks of DDR5 without stability issues usually requires running at 5200MT/s rather than the kits advertised XMP or EXPO speeds.
I dont like CAMM2 not only because of its footprint (which is seemingly mostly concerned with making laptops thinner) but mainly because of expandability: on a normal desktop board i can (in theory) buy a single stick and it will run - lower bandwidth sure but still. i can also just buy more ram and add it to the system when required. with camm2 there seems to be no plan for multiple modules as far as i can tell. not to mention that DIMMs will continue in the server space regardless, since 8+ slots are just not happening with CAMM. in short: keep laptop solutions to laptops. if the routing is such a problem on desktop, work on a solution more suited for desktop/server usage, dont just take something that was designed for primarily keeping things flat to an ecosystem where height usually isnt an issue (even SFF builds are not that constrained in terms of RAM height, as long as you dont go with stuff like dominator platinums)
I think the expandability option severely diminished with DDR5 regardless. With two slots it's now possible to run 96GB and soon 128GB. Also most common DDR5 kits are 2x16GB and i have a hard time seeing a scenario in the coming years where 32GB wont be enough for most people and would necessitate expansion. So in the current state four slots are wasted on most boards anyway. Plus running four sticks incurs severe speed, latency and memory training penalty. As long as CAMM2 is user replaceable and not soldered i have no problem with it. It could even be possible to make room for it at the back of the board in the same location. Thus giving the option to expand down the line.
On the CAMM2 that is a hard NO from me. As an engineer I get it that it helps to push higher frequencies, but what is the cost to benefit analysis? We don't know the prices AND no future upgrades, along with the fact that in day-to-day tasks the difference will be minimal. Most people don't just nuke their wallets setting up a pc. Also it isn't even innovation, HBM2 circumvented the PCB entirely it was just for GPUs so most people didn't really feel the disability of swapping ram.
@@metalhedp8ntbll IIRC it is not expandable, you just sell your 32GB and buy a 64GB one instead (which is wider). Except if that is expandable by your definition, I mean at least it isn't soldered on the motherboard yet...
I love the idea of CAMM2, Usually, at least i don't, upgrade the RAM after i've built my platform anyways. Cooling will be easier and better to be implemented and aesthetically imo it looks just better.
CAMM modules should be made such that it works both on Desktop and Laptop no CAMM and LPCAMM nonsense. Single design pin system m.2 style single width and double width modules. Single width module designs for entry level, lower memory modules for laptops, mini-ITX and SFF desktops, and everything else having support for double wide modules. I want to be able to cut a slot in my Steam Deck -3- 10 and have a 256GB RAM double wide module stick out the back like a Game Cartridge and run it at rather boring JEDEC speed of 8400MT/s instead of watercooling it in my desktop and get 12000MT/s. Edit: Forgot Valve can't count to 3, adjusted comment accordingly.
I hope CAMM2 becomes the default for mid-range to high end SFF systems and notebooks. It's a really neat little module and makes replacing or upgrading RAM remain possible without the bulk of SODIMM sockets.
This CAMM2 isn't really an improvement in my opinion. If we look at the system that is running at DDR5 10600MT/s it would seem like the limitation is on the side of IMC, not the DIMM traces. As for the cooling the CAMM2 is double-sided so how would you cool the IC's oriented towards mobo? For normies it would be better if the mobo just had DIMM slots at a ~45-60 deg angle so memory modules wouldn't interfere with dual tower coolers. Ever since DDR4 was introduced plugging and unplugging of RAM doesn't require much force so there shouldn't be a risk of damaging something with angled connectors.
CAMM2 opens up some interesting options for small form factor builds, even special small form factor motherboards with rear mounted RAM, potentially with a stacked motherboard like we see in mobile phones. Even without this, ultra low form factor RAM could open up some new air cooling options for the CPU. Very interesting possibilities.
I really like the idea of CAMM2. Not only from the memory perspective (improved transfer speeds, signaling and latency) but also from the potentials it opens to manufacturers for cooling them, aesthetics and the removal of the height restriction for cpu aircooler height. The only downside i see at least for now, is that you lose the expandability option that you have now
I think the expandability option severely diminished with DDR5 regardless. With two slots it's now possible to run 96GB and soon 128GB. Also most common DDR5 kits are 2x16GB and i have a hard time seeing a scenario in the coming years where 32GB wont be enough for most people and would necessitate expansion. So in the current state four slots are wasted on most boards anyway. Plus running four sticks incurs severe speed, latency and memory training penalty. As long as CAMM2 is user replaceable and not soldered i have no problem with it.
Don't like the CAMM2 RAM modules. They aren't practical. The backside can't be cooled at all and it has a huge footprint on the mainboard compared to DIMM. For DIMM there are already decent cooling solutions, but the problem is that every manufactur tries to reinvent the look of their RAM twice per year. The weirdly shaped concept cases look nice, but they only work for on top of the desk, not under it. And I personally don't like anything right next to me that makes fan noises. Being able to remove the whole mainboard mounting plate is a huge plus though. Imo it doesn't even have to be a complex sliding mechanism. Just some slots where it clicks in would be enough.
CAMM2 should only be on laptops. My Asus laptop has the ram soldered in and I can't upgrade which sucks. Me and my gaming friends have upgraded Ram its a nice cheap easy upgrade. when you know pc you are always wanting to put parts in and a 4 sticks or ram just looks nice.
2 things that come to mind. the backside is a disaster to cool unless they provide enough space arround the socket on the motherboard to sandwitch a cooler under it. Second how do you add memory if this modules has the same pcb footprint on the motherboard as 4/6/8 dimm slots and i do not see it a space saver in laptops as that modules fulley assembeld will take up the same space as 2 sodimm slots. What would be cool for normal motherboards would be if there is a vertical "socket" so you could put mutiple for the same pcb space. However this would be nice for gpu,s , add memory to the gpu
I think when it comes to that new case, G.Skill should put more of a focus on the repairability, as well as the ease of upgrade of the design, rather than just talking about the fact that it flips.
Hey der8auer: Nice quick tour of this booth. (1) Liquid N2 cooling in intro: I expect that gets messy when the unit is powered down and brought to room temperature 😓 (2) Concept hexagonal case - G-Skill _should_ go for production on this, with changes. Looks interesting and seems to go "all in" on the convex air intake underneath that we're seeing also from Lian Li (and Fractal Designs?). The main change I'd like to see is that the top angled sections mirror the bottom ones. I think the vertical slats on the top pieces will impede outward airflow and negatively impact exhaust fans. (3) The case with the timber strip looks nice (4) Love your t-shirt - This _may_ not have been the intention, but it makes me think of BVB away shirt 🍻
Camm2 isnt impressive. No expansion options and if they really cared about reducing latency then the memory should surround and be as close to the CPU as possible. This is more likely a money grab to force people to upgrade.
With camm2 ram modules, there is a benefit of the speed and data integrity or how it is called, but since it is dual channel already, and the laptops image i've seen online have only one slot, you can't just buy a laptop with 16/32 gb ram and toss another 16/32 gb ram module later for 32/64 gb ram total. On the desktop i guess they can make 2 camm2 slots and this won't be an issue.
Only reason why I would go for the new form factor is if they support higher transfer speeds in real world applications. Building a new workstation with 96GB in two dimms. So they would also have to at least match current capacity for two channels.
It would be interesting if one of the manufacturers would make GDDR CAMM2 for GPUs. Then have the ability to mount RAM modules to the back of the GPU. ISTR that one of the benefits of that memory format was better signal integrity which is one of the justifications for having soldered memory on GPUs.
This is what I want to see as well. Memory is going to be very important in the future and I'd love to be able to upgrade speed or capacity of memory without having to buy another whole GPU brick.
The thing with CAMM2 is interesting, but im really uncertain about its placement, on a typical board it will end up having a heatsink, thats fine but may eventually be an issue on ITX, i dont see any fallback if you have a bad ram stack? (e.g 2x16 and 1 dies for whatever, the system will show 8gb, and this is just gonna cause more troubleshooting i guess) but also what will happen to mass memory? are we just going to reach a limit to the size at say 768GB? and idk just gonna be based on width of the motherboard? im trying to look where this limits the future, might be good for 25 years though.
CAMM2 should be industry standard, why u ask? - Shorter traces leading to better power efficiency, stability, and performance. - The ability to mount a heatsink on top of the module for better thermals for better stability at higher temps. - A flat module will fix all incompatibility of large portruding CPU air coolers on desktop. - Mountable LCD display on top of the module.
im not sure i agree: - its a laptop solution for keeping things flat, for desktop we are more constrained in X/Y then Z, so the orientation like we have with DIMMs, also will smaller mainboards even have enough room on there? we need a bit around the socket for the cooler mounting anyways... - adding and/or replacing entire modules is just stupid, with DIMMs i can just buy another set of the same memory (heck, even slightly different timings, as long as i boot with the lowest common denominator) and just add it to the existing RAM. - LCDs inside the cases are imho toys with little to no value unless placed in such a way that i could have instead filled my desk with a 2nd monitor and had more screen + could display whatever on there, at which point i'd have better value. - since high end systems are more and more liquid cooled, and DIMMs mostly only get problematic levels of tall (cough dominator platinum cough) flat isnt
@@Zettymaster Yeah good luck running 4x32GB sticks on any reasonable speed, QVLs for those setups at XMP/EXPO speeds are non-existent. We're at a limit of UDIMMs
i like the camm2 modules. I feel like it would provide some interesting customization opportunities for the heatsink and in combination with backfacing motherboard connectors it further cleans up the aesthetics. Also, these days the price per GB of memory is so low that I usually only upgrade memory when I configure a new system anyway.
I think the expandability option severely diminished with DDR5 regardless. With two slots it's now possible to run 96GB and soon 128GB. Also most common DDR5 kits are 2x16GB and i have a hard time seeing a scenario in the coming years where 32GB wont be enough for most people and would necessitate expansion. So in the current state four slots are wasted on most boards anyway. Plus running four sticks incurs severe speed, latency and memory training penalty. As long as CAMM2 is user replaceable and not soldered i have no problem with it.
@@Raivo_K i hear ya on this. most of the time when i build a box for someone 32gb is enough for almost anything they'll do and in a lot of cases it's still overkill. i only had one person who probably needed more and all we did was go with (two stick) 64gb. they were doing some hobby AI image & video, plus the video edits. the thing i run into is the people who buy a system then 3-6 month later they want an upgrade, that they probably don't need. but explaining it to them is 99% a losing battle.
CAMM2 is the future for Notebooks for certain Angled CAMM2 with multiple "slots" is probably the future for desktop. I can't imagine having just 1 memory slot on an ATX Motherboard... maybe ITX
Regarding CAMM - YES, YES, YES, and YES! More performance, more density, smaller footprint. In an ideal world, desktop boards would be able to take advantange of LP-CAMM as well.
Really wanna see CAMM2 take off. It's simply better!. The only concern right now would be price. But, just like any other new RAM, it should come down in price as adaptation increase. As for capacity. Dell slide shows for the AXXX variant it support up to 128GB, BXXX is 256GB, and DXXX is 512GB. For mainstream desktop the AXXX variant should be enough.
Here's a summary of the advantages of CAMM2 (Compression Attached Memory Modules) over traditional DDR (Double Data Rate) memory modules: Compact Design: CAMM2 uses a compression connection method that allows for more compact and efficient designs compared to traditional DDR modules. This design is especially useful for laptops and other systems where space is a premium. Improved Performance: CAMM2 modules are designed to support higher data rates. The standard mentions initial support for 6400 MT/s (Mega-transfers per second) and the potential for future increments in speed, aligning with advancements in DRAM technology. Enhanced Signal Integrity: CAMM2 modules implement specific length-matching principles that reduce unnecessary serpentine routing. This improves signal integrity and reduces latency, leading to better overall system performance. Modular Flexibility: CAMM2 supports both single-channel and dual-channel configurations. Single-channel CAMM2 modules can be stacked, which is beneficial for systems requiring maximum memory capacity without increasing the footprint significantly. Adaptability for Different DRAM Types: CAMM2 is compatible with both DDR5 and LPDDR5/5X memory. This flexibility allows for use in a variety of applications, from high-performance desktops to power-efficient mobile devices. Thermal Efficiency: The standard includes considerations for thermal management, ensuring that CAMM2 modules can maintain performance without overheating, even in compact and densely packed systems. Reference Designs: The document provides reference design examples and routing guidelines, which help designers implement CAMM2 modules effectively in their systems while ensuring compliance with timing, signal integrity, and thermal requirements. These advantages make CAMM2 a promising alternative to traditional DDR memory modules, offering better performance, flexibility, and efficiency in modern computing environments
I want GSkill to create a CAM2 modules that allows for 128-GB and 196-GB of memory. We live in mid Q2 2024 soon to be 2025. We are getting very slow with technology in regard to only allowing small amounts of ram these days, when it should be MUCH larger. Furthermore, we should have been hitting 1TB of DDR already. Enough with the tiny 32, 48, 64 and 128. My headspace is on a different level. I am thinking of the future. Back in the day, people thought the floppy disk was the almighty savior. Look at us now at M.2 levels. The same should go for memory, We should be hitting 1TB by now.
Upgrading/expanding memory is already a roll of the dice (e.g. you buy 2 modules initially, and then you buy another 2 later on). DDR5 is full of "kits" and populating all 4 slots is already plagued with instability, not to mention the CPU cooler compatibility woes with tall ram. CAMM2 looks interesting, I wouldn't mind abandoning the DIMM form factor. As long as they actually make some huge chonker 256Gb kits...
I'm all for CAMM2 bruv, I'm daily driving a 5600G and am planning to upgrade later to either AM5 or LGA18xx system with iGPU only, would love an easier time OCing the memory
I’m definitely interested in CAMM2 modules but I just want to see what the upgrade options will be for them. Also, I’m loving the LCD screens. I utilize them for system stats as well as GIFs and business logos. The more the merrier. I have one 3.5 inch screen in both of my systems, as well as an AIO with a screen and I’m constantly utilizing them so I Dont have to add overlays to games and ruin the immersion.
Looking forward to CAMM2 being adopted to both desktop and laptops. That way we have more options, the memory can be re-used/re-sold more easily. @der8auer: have you seen any AM5 motherboards with CAMM2? Do the memory/motherboard makers think AMD would also get benefit from CAMM2 instead of standard DIMMs?
GSkill hype CAMM2 seems OK … I haven’t run 4 sticks of ram or upgraded capacity in years and years. Really like how CAMM2 is low profile and perfect for cooling
If they found a way to put as much memory on CAMMs as you could DIMMs, that would be great. Perhaps they could utilize the back of the motherboard for that. After all, you'll need to support multiple CAMM2 modules if you ever wanted the tech to take off for servers.
I absolutely want to see CAMM2 on PCs for DDR5. As long as it can be had in medium capacities like 16GB and 32GB. The less slots/traces/trace-length to mess up signaling, the better IMO. For the same reason I always wonder why MB makers even make so many boards with can hold 4 DIMM. Two, one on each channel is plenty for nearly all users and even removes confusion. The two extra, never used, only are a detriment to the consumer.
LCD screen in a PC tower??? It's just sad to see it's something that people actually buy :-/ Just like car's becoming a android device that functions as transportation... Sad
CAMM2 - well. I was sure that they are one sided. That would made it so easy to provide cooling. If there are chips between module PCB and motherboard... that just stopped making sense for me. For Small Factor Forms? Yeah, probably.
Considering CAMM2 is capable of dual channel functionality through one socket, fully utilizing the CPU's capabilities, at higher speeds, and more efficiently, with a lower profile.. I am all for it. Yes, please.
I think the new ram modules are awesome! Less distance for the traces from the ram to the cpu not to mention aftermarket heat plates, coolers, and liquid cooling for ram. Really hope this becomes the new norm
CAMM2 is looking very interesting, indeed ! Unfortunately, it will need a lot of time to establish itself as de facto standard in PC world, I would say that will be a process up to year 2027. Maybe first next year we will see mature standard for CAMM2 memory modules, and perfected standard from 2026 beyond. As far I understood, future DDR6 standard, which is due mid 2025, should be all build around CAMM2 standard.
Also, to add to the benefits of CAMM2 (?), having only the equivalent of 2 memory slots does allow for higher memory speeds/timings? So yes, please provide CAMM2 Matx boards as well if ITX is too small 😅
I don’t look inside my case very often once it’s built, so the LCD screen is just something I would never buy. I really really like the cam.two solution for Memory get some nice 48 GB capacity at 8 to 10,000 Mb per second I think it’ll be excellent. Hopefully that’s the way of the future.
CAMM2 = price? If it's too much, then pass, obviously I expect it to cost more cuz its new tech for diy but it shouldn't be unobtainable type price. Also what's the parity in performance compared to normal sticks? is it THAT much better or just marginally so?
Thinking about it, I have not upgraded my ram by just buying 2 more sticks in like 20 years. If I needed more ram I would have to buy compatible sticks anyway and even then the speed would probably be lesser than 2 new bigger capacity sticks. The question is, how is the price of camm2 compared to DDR5? Because if its lets say 2x the price of regular sticks for few % of performance then its just not worth it.
If CAMM2 offers better memory performance for any reason, whether it’s easier to cool or improved frequency and timing from better signal integrity, I’m all for it. I wouldn’t use more than 32-48GB right now anyways, but definitely wouldn’t mind getting more than 8200 with the same or tighter timings than I already use.
Thus far most mobos on those videos I saw only had slot for single CAMM2 module, which means any upgrading is basically an e-waste generation, or you need to try to resell. 4 DIMMs at least had that "advantage" that you could either buy like two modules to have dual channel, or worst case scenario single module on a 2 DIMM mobo, and then upgrade by getting "the rest". With CAMMs it seems its you buy one, then you need to swap it entirely if you want more memory. So the question would be about the cost of the CAMMs memory compared to DIMMs ones, and how big of a difference it would provide in terms of faster speeds supposedly available thanks to simpler connection routing between CPU and CAMMs vs DIMMs. So basically a TL-DR: need to see shit in action to see if its worth the hassle.
I'm of two minds on the CAMM memory at least on desktops. Laptops it makes perfect sense. Desktops...You are limited 1-2 modules meaning that you need to buy higher capacity modules out of the gate meaning more $$$ And if you want to upgrade later you have to outright replace the module You can't just buy more modules to add to it. HOWEVER in theory the design would allow for better stability so I don't know. Maybe keep CAMM to the top end halo product boards for now?
The new module design is nice, but one of the main features of the typical DIMM design is that it's compact. The new design takes up more space on the motherboard than four DIMM sockets and you lose the flexibility offered by having multiple channels available to fill as desired. No motherboard will have more than one of the new sockets and you'll be stuck with the manufacturer's choice of channels. You want to fill all four channels of DRAM and the CAMM2 manufacturer(s) only offer dual channel support? You're out of luck.
I love the AIO LCD screens, but only if their software doesn't kill performance like Corsair's iCUE. Their software is terrible. I have mostly corsair components so I have to live with my mistake 😑
Feedback : I find that case from my fellow countryman is atrocious, and so much lost space for a normal build... . Regarding the LCD's, I like those displays for animated gifs and temperature info. If you have your desktop next to you on the desk, it's a good idea to tilt it towards you instead of regular 90 degrees.
Pretty sure they use these AMD APUs because they're - Single chip - AMD probably optimized the living crap out of those controllers to give as much perf to the GPU as possible
I'd 100% prefer the CAMM2 modules, over the typical DIMM modules, when their price makes sense. It's almost definitely already going to be a thing, but I'm wondering how cooling works with those. The bottom side doesn't seem to be touching any kind of heatsink on the board or anything. I'd be 100% for it waterblocks for them exist. I don't ever add more ram to builds so that isn't a problem to me. As it is, I wish there were more 2 slot boards that could run the ram better.
All the screens and RGB controllers are too much. Too much software and controllers, I would rather go the way the ASUS proart motherboards are going with workstation, black pcbs with no LED and no gimmicks, just a bunch of connectivity. Also no integrated wifi because it gets outdated too quick, if they could also do no sound card either and more pci lanes to my devices.
CAMM2 has a major benefit over slot ram, it can utilize actual heatsinks to dissipate heat and remain stable at higher speeds and tighter timings. So much like what motherboard manufacturers do now for M.2 heatsink covers, they would do with CAMM2 and would look pretty sleek.
I am wondering if CAMM2 can possibly be modified for desktop and integrated into the socket itself. Memory pins on half the socket are in the module itself. Stack module under CPU (obviously let the PCB with the memory chips hang out the side. Either pass all signals through the memory PCB, or have the PCIe and power pins higher so they are level with the memory height pins after memory is installed.
I think Camm is cool. FAFO with memory tuning is incredibly annoying. Getting high speeds and low latency as a plug and play is just great. Definitely want to see some benchmarks against legit tuned memory.
@@Raivo_K expansion and expansible is the cornerstone of second hand markets, it also serves to lengthen the service life of the computer as is. it's not overrated. this is a bad idea
@@373323 Expansion will still exists as we are well into DDR5's life cycle and there are plenty of boards with four slots already sold. Also CAMM2 will have second hand market as well. Even more so, but i suspect that by the time it really takes off DDR6 will be here so any expansion to DDR5 will be a moot point. Also most people dont upgrade their RAM during the lifetime of the platform they have.
