Dead Topics: Titans is the worst superhero show 

Before I get another comment about it, the title is hyperbolic.

Tigerboy Stripperfire Batbird Jumpscare

There was a joke in Teen Titans go about a older version of the cartoon that could only afford to turn Beast Boy into a Donkey. Beast Boy being stuck as one animal should be a joke not something the audience has to take seriously.

"Bat Fuckman"

Starfire’s kind personality was literally the glue that kept the team together. We truly live in the Time Traveler’s timeline…

So you're telling me that Starfire, a literal alien warrior princess with super strength who's body is durable enough for her to survive the vacuum of space for long periods of time, was injured badly enough to develop amnesia.... by a car??? I always heard this show was bad, but *goddamn*, how did they get everything wrong? Its almost impressive.

The fact Titans got a season over Doom Patrol is a war crime.

The original Titans didn't need anything else to be edgy, but I'm still mad about what they did to my boy Jason, a lot of media had tried to make Robin Jason angry and edgy, but he was sweet if not spunky and as much as I love red hood, they somehow fucked up the most straightforward of a plotline, like c'mon the boy gets fed up, leaves, get killed and a lot of people think "maybe we were the assholes all along" and he comes back guns blazing and angry

Doom Patrol has walking man-eating zombie butts, the Sex-Men who are a group of sex-based Ghostbusters, a sentient street capable of communication and teleportation, and a guy who is WAY too into hair and gains the memories of the people whose hair he eats. It's the absurdity of comics brought to life, and it's criminal that it's so seemingly unknown in the larger conversation surrounding superhero media.

i love the hell ambience. No generic youtube background music just despair.

As soon as I heard "Fuck Batman" I knew it was gonna suck. Another dark and edgy teen soap opera. Wish we could've gotten a trilogy based off of the 2003 Teen Titans show with elements from Young Justice. What a waste!

I just had a crazy realization: The Guardians of the Galaxy movies are better Titans stories than the Titans show. Hear me out: The Guardians movies tell the story of a group of outcasts who have all suffered trauma in one way or another, and who are brought together through a common threat. And despite the fact they argue and give each other grief, they still care for each other and feel like a family. And it feels wholesome.

As an autistic girl who kins Starfire, Her writing BROKE ME. Starfire escaped to earth from slavery after her parents were killed. Her sister betrayed her in hopes for the crown trying to kill her in the process, but after all of that she remained a KIND and GOOD person. I miss when superheroes were good people. Kids need someone to look up to, and they're definitely not finding it from superheroes anymore 🙁

I have always been of the opinion that race/gender swapping characters should only be done in the best interest of the story, not to tick off boxes or appease a certain crowd. The Boys, as you said, does this well. Most modern media however, does not.

Funny world we live in with how bad shows can get multiple seasons while actually good series only get one shot and cancelled immediately.

If comics did Jason dirty by killing him, Titans took that and added an unimaginable amount of dirt.

If this is the only live action version of Tim Drake I’ll ever get, I’m going to be super depressed.

Absolutely missed opportunity to say Dumpstar fire

I legitimately forgot this was a show. I remember seeing yhe trailer for it and thinking it was a shitpost

17:43 this part hurt me inside so bad. This is not the Starfire we know, and the show wants us to pretend attacking restaurant patrons for no reason is cool. How on earth did these edgy fanfiction writers who didn't grow out of middle school get hired to write for this show??

It’s absolutely insane that DC had this and Gotham Knights running alongside fucking DOOM PATROL AND PEACEMAKER

I’ve always just referred to “Titans” as “Shut up Mom, It’s not a Phase: The Series” Sidebar: I love to see this channel branching out into also tearing apart other atrocious series and topics. If you’re looking for material, I’d like to pitch that awful “Black Christmas” movie from 2019 or the lady Ghostbusters movie people have already forgotten about.

To be fair, in the original show and the comics, Raven's dad IS a super demon called Trigon, so that wasn't sharpened for the show.

Say what you What about Teen Titans Go, but at least it respects the source material better than the light action Titans

The more I learn about Titans and Velma, the more relieved I am that Powerpuff never got to be a thing on The CW. It almost was. Maybe it did not have this much violence, cursing or sexual situations compared to Titans or Velma, but if you knew about the premise of that show or read its leaked pilot script, CW Powerpuff still committed the same cardinal sin of making its characters unlikable douchebags who are completely different people from what they once were, being an unfaithful adaptation of previous shows under the same IP, and being an unfunny messy work of art that fails at telling a gritty mature story for older target demographics, because it was done in an inconsistently immature and stupid way that makes it impossible for any viewers to take the story seriously enough to like or root for the main characters who are not intended to be villains. February 8, 2024, 10:42pm

The fact that they canceled Swamp Thing and allowed this God-awful painfully cringey TV show to continue really pisses me off. 🤢🤮😡🤬

well since you asked as someone who read the comic years i'll try and explain what's differnt there: -first raven. her powers are completely different, as she's an EMPATH who can sense and manipulate the emotions of others (she doesn't do the latter often) and has other psychic abilities tied to it like give people visions and dreams and can also astral project her soul as a giant ghost bird. She's actually the one who brings the team together by willfully going to them and guiding them together. She's actually not as terse as most versions like the cartoon do, at worst she has trouble connecting to people and undertsanding the limits of what she should do morally (though she's very moral usually) and can be quite distant to people despite her abilities and wanting to do good, which leads to conflict later on as noone can be sure what side she's on despite her attempts to be a hero. -robin's the leader naturally, like batman he makes up for his lack of powers compared to his teammates wth his level headedness and intelligence. he's also the glue of the group, keeping everyone together and trying to instill morals into everyone, he's actually the one who maintains the no murder rule (mostly towards starfire) -starfire's SUPER different from her cartoon self. She's a warrior princess from tamaraan and thus has lived her life with her people's principles as well as fighting her evil sister's attempts to murder her. She actually joins the team after escaping evil alien slavers. Her powers are actually a result of experiments done to her by her kidnappers and not part of her abilities as an alien and the torture of the experiments is aprt of why she's so...testy at first when she's introduced. She's actually okay with murdering her enemies because that's just how she was raised and Robin has to corral her and teach her to not do that. She does still have the "alien learnign human culture" thing but its not as pronounced as she's not as naive as she is in the cartoon, but she is quite loyal and friendly outside of combat once things settle. -beats boy is a friendly goofball who also likes to flirt with the girls. I think he's also rich as fuck. Oh and he actually goes by changeling at this point, beast boy was his name when he was a younger hero who was in Doom Patrol. -there are ther members of the team. of course we all know cyborg, but there's also wonder girl (wonder woman's sidekick) and kid flash (who is introuced wanting to leave the hero life and actively avoid joining the titans so raven does her one immoral act in the story by using her powers to make him fall in love with ehr so he'd be willing to oin the team which leads to conflict betwween her,him and the rest of the team later on)

I would never consider calling Starfire "Stripperfire" in any other version but this one, despite her costume being less revealing. Agreed on Doom Patrol, it's a great show.

Ah, yes, the beloved Teen Titans Not Robin Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way Stripperfire and *looks at smudged writing on hand* Boy

Starfire is canonically orange. She really doesnt have a race. But they did do nothing to show she is alien

I grew up watching the OG Teen Titans show. Man, this series just should not exist. It's amazing how they butchered the characters and without Cyborg it just feels incomplete.

That first teaser where Robin says "Fuck Batman" let me know I was gonna fucking hate it.

I'd love for this channel's gimmick to just become dead topics. Stuff nobody has mentioned in like two years, but you still have something to say about it, so you make the video anyway, knowing damn well nobody cares about it anymore.

I completely forgot this show existed

I had no idea this show got more than one season

I can tell the writers really wanted to make it like the Snyderverse tone.

Holy shit was talking to one of my friends about this two weeks ago and only 3 minutes in and you literally just said almost word for word what he said about how Titans is in the opposite direction of Teen Titans Go and being really edgy

I was actually thinking about this like 30 minutes ago, so this perfect timing. I also did a video ranting about this 2 years ago talking about how it butchered the characters. It looks like it's made by people who think the only reason DC is liked is because it's dark, which I don't need to explain why that's such a childish mindset. But to summaries for, one the Titans and Teen Titans are 2 different teams. The Teen Titans are, well teenage heroes, some who are, others who aren't proteges to members of the Justice League. Such as the different versions of Robin, Aqualad or Beast Boy, Raven and so on. The Titans meanwhile are the adult versions of the founding members of the Teen Titans, those being Nightwing, Wally West Flash, Donna Troy the former Wonder Girl, Tempest formally Aqualad and Roy Harper the original Speedy, now Arsenal. But that's a superficial issue. What's even worse is Garth (Tempest) is already dead and is a NOTHING character. Donna dying at the end of season 2, despite there being NO set up to her dying, meaning her death accomplishes nothing, because she doesn't really do much of anything. And I'm with everyone in how they butchered Jason's Arc as Red Hood, its a perfect example of how this show is melodramatic edginess that misses the point of the characters they're writing. This show had 6 producers, one of which was Jeoff Johns, who was head of DC for a time, but his presence feels so minimal because he's probably just there to approve of shit. The majority of the producers have actually worked on Supernatural....I'll let that sink in. There's already so many series like Titans such as the Teen Titans series, Young justice and the Animated movies. If you wanted to watch a good story with the Titans/Teen Titans you could go watch those. And if you weren't interested in the Titans or Teen Titans, this show will not change that whatsoever because its Titans in name only. What's worse is Brenton Thwaites the actor who plays Dick, could've been a GREAT live action Nightwing, the problem is Dick in this show acts more like Jason Todd and Jason acts more like Damian Wayne, but if he never became Robin. Thats just the tip of the ice berg of what I think makes this show a steaming pile of Tween dogshit that you'd find on FanFiction.net. I can't even with this show, it's just such a great example of misunderstanding why DC or by extension the Titans and Teen Titans are loved

Also something I want to share about Beast Boy is that it is more than just animals. He can pretty much turn into any creature he can think of, he's turned into aliens, dragons, etc. And later on he could even turn into an amoeba and commit mitosis.

I'd say even if something is based in the comic, you can still 100 percent make the case that it's still bad and stupid because the culprit here is the writing/writers. Like, yeah I can believe Raven's demon father was in the original, just like I can believe it was actually written well there. Here? Nope.

I can completely agree with your observations on difficulty. Look at the original Suicide Squad movie. You have some street level characters taking on what is effectively a Superman villain. You need some contrived asspull just to avoid them being completely destroyed. Even though it's an overdone trope, at least in manga, when they have a character confront a "demon king" that character is 50 Shades of Badass themselves, and are probably the most powerful thing in the entire story. If you have a character fight a god, with any realistic expectation of victory, then that character has to be running in the god leagues themselves. Of course that also means lower level threats aren't, but at least your character is consistent.

Based on my understanding the teen titans comic was always more mature than the original cartoon but not necessarily in a "dark and gritty" sorta way but more like an after school special sorta way. I've heard it been compared to the vibe of the Young Justice cartoon if you've seen that Also Raven was older than the rest of the team in the original comic

Why would a car crash affect starfire?

I watched the first episode of this show when it was first released and it felt like I was the only person on the planet who hated it. I couldn't think what people saw in it! I didn't think it would be like the 2000s cartoon, obviously, but the violence was grotesquely excessive, the characters felt flat as pancakes, I disliked how they changed the ages, it felt stupidly overdramatic (I can't agree enough about the Raven's mother death scene - I felt exactly the same way when watching Percy's Mum die in the new Percy Jackson series) and don't get me started on how they straight up forgot to paint Starfire orange! I thought it was so awful I couldn't bear to watch another episode. It was a real shame, as I thought that Ryan Potter sounded like a good choice for Beast Boy! He was really wasted by the poor writing, it seems. 😣

2:45 As a comic reader, The best way to describe it is Saying those characters as welo adapted as the Fantastic 4 in the 2015 movie

"These characters suck individually, and as a team they suck even more." Had me cacklin' subbed

I think Starfire is more or less accurate to the comics in the later seasons, but season 1 is weirdly Dark, even in comparision to the later seasons

Star fire can be black, her skin tone was orange in the comics. Light brown can look orange but she needed to act weird and fuck up earth customs while having th confidence of " nailed it".

One of the things the show absolutely drops the ball on is explaining Hawk and Dove's powers. I mean you came away not knowing they even had powers, but in the comics, Hawk is literally the AVATAR OF WAR. Super strong, super agile, super durable, accelerated healing, danger sense, enhanced vision, flight, claws ... think Spider-Man mixed with Sabretooth.

As someone who had to cover this show when it was new even if this was comic accurate it still somehow feel like a elseworld series

27:46 thank you! I hate when we're expected to care about a death before we've gotten a chance to know the character, or at the very least the character the murdered character is important too.

The Titans show is to the Teen Titans what the All-Star Batman & Robin comics are to Batman. For reference, no one refers to that Batman as Batman, we just call him Crazy Steve.

It feels good to be back at Headquarters!

I knew that this was getting greenlit years ago, back when I was still a Facebook regular, I know, it's shocking that was ever a thing, but I knew it was going to be a hot mess when I saw what Starfire looked like.

just a note... the Doom Patrol from Titans is not the same as the one on the Doom Patrol show lol

Hey, Dave! You think you could talk about the controversies surrounding the now-cancelled CW Powerpuff series?

It baffles my mind that there are people on the internet who will pretend this show is good, and seem to be wholeheartedly serious.

The way they handled Bruce Wayne/ Batman was criminal...

This is great. Not only did you make a living and a channel name from making countless videos on High Guardian Spice, but you know how to calmly treat us to be warned about the worst of the worst when you show us how terrible Velma and Titans are. Maybe next year, you will give Star Trek: Discovery a turn at Dead Topics. Titans and STD are both bad shows for taking all the fun out of Teen Titans or Star Trek, and since you reviewed Titans this year, the year after it stopped airing new episodes, I suppose you could continue the pattern with Star Trek: Discovery next year, after it finishes airing new episodes this year. February 8, 2024, 10:25pm

Which is worse: Titans or Batwoman?

And that second season fucking ending; does Superboy just becomes a moron for 5 secs while Donna holds the large metal tower...he could have easily saved her with his power set. So many fucking plot holes and stupid actions in this series.

Look, she's an alien anyway, Starfire wasn't originally black in the comics, but if you wanna say she had cultural inspirations, I wouldn't disagree. So long as you can act the role, and the writers treat the character well, it won't matter as much, that's how it works

Also, yea, for the most part the characters in titans are nothing like their comic counterparts (from what i've read). Starfire, Raven, Robin, Hawk and Dove i hated in this show, i dont remember hating beast boy as much, but i've always been more indifferent towards him as a character so it just might be that.

This show is one big edgy cringe fest. And their responses to the backlash of Starfire looking like a stripper is just plain pathetic.

I noticed how AWFUL the moral compass of the writers was when FREAKING DEATHSTROKE is written as a loveable tragic Family man who wants Revenge because a Crazy Psycho Gang Abducted, Brainwashed & Killed his Son, & HE'S POTRAYED AS THE BAD GUY 😵 When you want us to root for the Bad Guys by PRETENDING they are in the right side of the Story you SUCK AT YOUR JOB & SHOULD NEVER WRITE ANYTHING AGAIN 🤢

10:46 Nah that ain't beast boy. That's creature kid

Dave, your resistance to psychic damage is awe inspiring.

Your comedy/humor/sarcasm is top notch. Now subscribed.

The Starfire actor looks great in Jurassic part but bad in Titans, Titans did her dirty.

Wanna know the funniest thing about Doom Patrol? The CW Crisis crossover retconned Doom Patrol & Titans being in the same universe, presumably from the positive reception that Doom Patrol received, that when they later bring the Doom Patrol back in s4 (i think?), they have to go through an entire multiverse sequence to get to them.

Gotta love how all of DC's products just amount to live action adaptions of gotham city imposters.

My biggest issue with the Titans TV show as a comic fan is how they treat the Robins and Batman. Each Robin and Batman has "something" wrong with them on a fundamental level that fucks up their character on an adaptation standpoint. First of all, Dick Grayson is not edgy Robin. Point, blank, period. Let's be clear, because Dick was raised by Batman first, and Batman was an imperfect father at that time, it did leave Dick with a few mental scars. From an adaptation standpoint, this is best shown in Teen Titans 2003 and the TNBA episode "Old Wounds." Nightwing has some edge, but he isn't stabbing criminals in the fucking balls. The premise of Nightwing on a greater standpoint within the DC universe is to be "The Better Batman." Be everything Bruce isn't, and correct his faults. He should not be a Daredevil wannabe grinding criminal's faces into glass because that's something old Bruce would do. Not the Nightwing who bailed on Bruce after he saw him interrogate a father in front of his child. Jason probably gets the worst treatment. He gets turned into some edgy frat bro, when his darkside in the comics comes from him being a street kid. As a result, he gets down and dirty, but also empathizes with Gotham's plight on a deeper level. Even as Red Hood, he isn't an outright criminal running an elaborate smear campaign. He's genuinely doing what he thinks is right to save Gotham. If you can't eradicate crime in Gotham, control it and take out a few scumbags along the way. If you want to see the best version of this, watch "Under the Red Hood" the movie, since the comic tended to get a little distracted. Tim has the least flaws, but the MOST fundamental one. Batman is literally retired. He still WANTS to be Robin, but that's not the same. Tim is, objectively speaking, the best Robin Batman ever had. He understands the purpose of Robin is to be Batman's perfect side kick. When he assumed/begged for the role of Robin, he did it knowing that without a Robin, Batman reverts back to his state before Robin. An angry, vengeful soul, self-destructively taking out crime. Tim is a great detective, he is the best technician, an ok combatant, and a great foil to Batman. Tim levels Bruce, and without Bruce even being a part of a show, you have a Robin devoid of his core traits and the person he needs to bounce them off of. Also, Bruce got some serious character assassination in season 3. I already didn't like him for the first 2 seasons because he's too old, but to add the fact that he was DELIBERATELY looking for replacements to Jason less than a week after he died is so out of character, that it makes me sick. Batman doesn't LOOK for Robins, and he certainly didn't after Jason. When Jason died in the books (under completely different circumstances), Batman didn't want or have a Robin for years because he saw to the max how dangerous it was. That's why he was so resistant to letting Tim into the Bat family. So to do this thing to drive a wedge between Dick and Bruce for fake drama is insulting.

One thing these edgy superhero stories have in common is the heroes never save anyone. They'll violently beat down the villain's henchmen or any fool that gets in their way, but taking the time out to save/comfort someone in dire straights Is unthinkable. I can only guess is the showmakers think this would make the hero 'weak' for not being cold-hearted. It would be so easy to tweak the scripts to have the Titans help others. Take the diner. Kory and Raven leave but looking back notice the diner is being robbed. Kory wants to leave since Raven takes priority but then sees the robbers hurting people and so dives in to stop them. Badass and heroic. Instead all we got was badass and violent.

Never watched this, but a guy I used to know in my D&D group way back when said it was good. Said guy was a power-gamer with main character syndrome whether he was a player or DM (used DMPCs and optimised attacks against the party), claimed to study theoretical physics in his spare time, claimed to know Japanese but thought All Might's catchphrase was 'Never fear, for _I_ am here!' and laughed at my claim that Kensei translated to Sword Saint so yeah. Guy's full of shit and glad I never watched this miserable pile.

Bro, all I want is a good live action batman show that is ACTUALLY about batman for fucking once 😭, Gotham was hood but he was batman for one episode, please make a live action good batman tv show. 😭😭😭

Harley Quinn: Kuck the Justice League is worse

As a fan of the Wolfman and Pèrez comics, I'm so sad.

Excellent video, as bad as the Disney shows have gotten , I've always felt this show didn't get the distain it earned. The cast was great in some parts, robin, wondergirl, superboy spot on casting but the writing was horrible. Every member was a murderer, power levels bounced around from high to low. Starfire tries to kill beast boy in the kitchen and nobody says anything. Some how 20 Gotham cops were enough to intimidate the team a team with SUPERBOY on it. Robin escaped prison with his true identity but no manhunt for the former cop who lead a breakout. There's the time superboy blows up a spaceship 20 ft from two of his teammates and a regular human but again no one brings it up. On the plus side krypto was wonderful

I remember being a kid a seeing Robin saying "f batman" and being so pissed off, because he was being disrespectful with Batman

I was so confused when I heard your voice for a second, I didn’t realize you updated the channel and your persona! It looks awesome! I just didn’t realize what channel I clicked 😂 Can’t wait to watch this!

Kind of odd to treat the Teen Titans property like only the shows exist, the cartoon was not the "og" for these characters. Doesn't detract from your criticism at all it's just an odd framework for your analysis that a kids' cartoon is the original framework of these characters. That cartoon is in several ways a neutered/heavily adapted version of some of these characters. It came out like 40 years after the comics began, and only covers a few of the characters to be in that team.

I’m halfway through season 3 and it’s getting pretty boring. I came to the realisation that 90% of the show is just two characters in a room having a fake deep conversation.

I don’t think this is the WORST live action adaptation I still think Batwoman and Gotham Knights were way worse

For me (and likely most people who get angry about race swapping), whether or not it's worth getting angry over comes down to apparent intent. If the casting seems to be due to the actor being well-known and excellent for the role, like Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury or some of your examples from The Boys, it's perfectly fine. If the intent seems to be introducing identity politics, like with Velma, the little Mermaid, and other infamous examples, then it serves as a red flag. This is exacerbated by just how commonly the people who engage in the latter behavior are hypocritical on the subject and engage in unironic racism. No idea about where Titans falls into this because I have no context for how they were promoting it. Just laying out my own thoughts on it. I included other people in this because it's what I observed about how people tend to react to this. You don't often see people complaining about Nick Fury's race.

Like the dead topic concept, autopsying these mid to late 2010s monstrosities years after the controversy died down is something nobody else is really doing right now.

I didn't realize this was the High Guardian Spice channel at first. Top quality content.

Seeing Titans is painfull,they ruined Red Hood so bad

"I don't know much about the Teen Titans, I don't read comics, and this is still a piece of shit." You should read the comics because they're cool but yeah, you're right.

Last robin acted like this in early comics he was mad aggressive and a lot people think it was Jason but it wasn’t Jason was nice and sweet but after red hood stuff happened the roles switched but when he first start he acted like this

the show so bland that the bad review of it also bland. every single of them starts with "Fuck batman" and calling starfire a stripper.

It's kinda funny cause in the original comics Beast Boy's origin was with Doom Patrol

Could they not afford green or orange body makeup?

I had no idea this show existed. Now I do and my life is objectively worse. I'll never forgive you.

They should've just adapted the Robin comics from the 90s. Could've been an easy way to flesh out the dichotomy between Detective Grayson, and Robin. Could've mirrored shows like Luke Cage and Jessica Jones; a gritty street level crime thriller. I'd buy that for a dollar.

The Gotham Knights show and Batwoman seasons 1 and 2 are somehow worse

Donna troys death isnt real i swear, she dies bc a random fucking pilon falls on her for no fucking reason, a main character.

The stupid part is that the Comic gave them an easy out by "NOT starting out with Trigon as the first Big Bad" hell even the CARTOON got that right by following the Comic! Slade was the team's first big bad, sent by HIVE to deal with them just like in the Comic and Trigon was BUILD UP as the BIGGEST Threat (that they had to pull "THE BROTHERHOOD OF FUCKING EVIL to be the Series Finale Threat because Trigon and Slade have been defeated, well Trigon was, Slade was "just hiding and biding his time") Raven was trying to STOP Trigon from using her to return and initially she was trying to warn the Justice League but went with reforming the Titans. Made easy by the fact the Team all just met up over a crisis INVOLVING Starfire (I prefered her original origin where she was a slave of her sister Blackfire when she made her escape, her sister's "associates" attempted to retrieve her and the resulting fight attracted everyone who made up the Team into helping her! This event later in the comics eventually brings Blackfire on them later, while I like the Show version of her, I prefer the Comic as Show version just comes off as a spoiled brat, where Comic version had layers to her, basically akin to Oceanmaster from Aquaman who had a ALOT of unresolved family tension they unfairly took out on their other sibling) Starting with Trigon REALLY ruins things because "You blew you're load too soon" as it would be like a Superman show that's first season ends with Darkseid as the big bad and then Season 2 is FUCKING LEX LUTHOR! OR Throwing Ra's Al Ghul and the League of Assassin at Batman in season 1 and then making Season 2 all about the Joker or worse Riddler/Scarecrow! I use Lex and Joker because they are the same level as Deathstroke/Slade in they ARE big threats, but frankly Lex PALES in threat level and scale then Darkseid, Joker is dangerous and deadly, but Ra's is BASICALLY an Ancient long lived "Batman Evil Self if he went down the wrong path" in charge of a HUGE Secret Society that has manipulated the path of mankind and responsible for ALOT of deaths for LIFETIMES! A "end result of Batman's own Superhero teams like the Bat Family and the Outsiders". So going from Trigon (which the comics HAVE established that he can be JUST as bad as FUCKING DARKSEID that even the League ESPECIALLY Superman would have difficulty defeating him just like threats of Darkseid's level) to Deathstroke (who can be a threat sure, but there's a REASON Lex and Joker have to form their OWN teams if they dare try to go up against Superhero Teams that matter! Yeah they can be a threat on their own to the Justice League, but that's IF they plan ahead and are READY for the League! Same with Deathstroke. It's still a DOWNGRADE in threat levels which is WHY you don't use them AFTER the big threat ALA "Darkseid/Ra's Al Ghul/Trigon; Those are the BIGGER BADS behind Big Bad's like Lex/Joker/Deathstroke, not the other way around) And of course the Power Changing was dumb. Starfire's made sense because like Superman, she's a Sun Battery (Though I don't remember if she is weaken at night, though I don't think she ever was early on! Star in this acts ALOT like how they tried to make her act in "Red Hood and the Outlaws" starting out before they realized that was stupid and that was not Starfire! Seriously that series got GOOD once Jason was able to get his OWN version of the Trinity with a "Superman/Bizarro" and "Wonder Woman/Artemis" like his "dear ole Papa Batman (Big fan of "Trinity" Stories centered around the Three as I'm a fan of the Big 3 the most, Batman Especially of course But I love me some good Superman and Wonder Woman stories)

I remember when this first dropped, I was considering getting the DC streaming service because it. I only watched the first season and left it there after that. I get the feeling I made the right choice. There were a couple of things I saw later that piqued my interest, but then I'd hear some dialogue from them and I'd be like naw I'm still good 😊

14:54 😂 Stripper Fire is a wild name 🤣 I phuc with it 😁

The worst part? The abomination that was Titans came out around the same time as the new Swamp Thing series, which was apparently really, _really_ good. They were going dark for that show, but it was appropriate for the subject matter. And naturally that got cancelled while Titans kept rolling on.