Dealing with the WORST UK Police Auditors | Retired Police interceptor 

Like the police say: if you’re not doing anything wrong there’s nothing to fear. Let them film.

Wayne Couzens didn't like being filmed. If police respect people's right to film them nobody will watch "audit" videos. It's that simple. As it is there are dozens of instances in the UK where "auditors" have recorded criminal behaviour by police.

Professional police have nothing to fear

The more eyes on the police the better.

Inspector Dean Gittoes at Merthyr Tydfil arrested a 16 year old "for terrorism" because he was filming the outside of the station. He then went on to brag to his colleagues that he was fed up of being filmed and being made to look like an idiot so he arrested him for terrorism. Little did he know the phone he grabbed off the kid was still recording... Auditing Wales I think the kid was called. Flagrant abuses of power like this are sometimes caught and I personally think that makes the auditors a valuable "public" service. That being said, I also think the majority of Bobbys are just there to do their job and don't deserve to be goaded.

No problem with them provided they do not break the law.

I'd like Ben to respond to some of the many videos that show the police behaving in not such a thoughtful way.

If the police want to go around enforcing petty laws, like hurt feelings on twitter. Then the police can't complain when the public hold the police to the same petty standards 😛 The police don't like to be recorded... Guess what, the public don't like to be recorded. You really should practice what you preach 😉

One thing I've noticed is that most Police are over weight

They're not breaking any laws filming you. If you're not doing anything wrong there's nothing to worry about.

True say but doesn’t change the fact you’ll see plenty of coppers in these videos breaking the law….

Auditing developed as a consequence of photographers/journalists being abused by the police (mainly S44 TACT which resulted in the act being repealed) to some extent the police created the problem. There are good and bad auditors, understandably you are focussing on the bad ones who in my opinion are not really auditors and I agree with most of your sentiments. What "real auditors" want is no reaction and minimal interaction and an end for the need to “audit”. I’d like to hear your views on the genuinely civil rights motivated people such as “Focus Pocus”. As an aside the NPCC guidance is clear on how to deal with auditors but, for whatever reason many officers ignore it or have not read it.

don’t agree sorry they are not breaking the law and wen police are on camera they behave very different yes they are annoying

The best way to deal with an auditor is to get your phone out and start playing music as they will get a copy right claim put on them by RU-vid or Facebook.

Your car registration plates are not personal as they belong to the DVLA .

This is exactly why we need auditors. Look how sensitive he is, his ego is so huge and he believes that that his job makes him the most important person in the world. Its unbelively cringey 🤣🤣 Auditors highlight these narcissist nearly every single day and expose them to the public. Imagine genuinely needing the police just for this ego maniac hard man to come along. With any luck an auditor will highlight people like this early doors, so that we don't have a repeat of Wayne couzens who was left to his own devices and continously displayed sickening behaviour.

Police frequently invade our privacy, I am happy with the fact that these auditors return the favour to the police.

I wish the police came to my house when someone tried to brake into it. They just gave me a crime number.

If the police are doing nothing wrong and act professional then nothing to be bothered about you think too much

I wish they would come so quick & have so much backup when it comes to predators. A guy with a camera filming a government employee is their kryptonite.

The real reason police don't like to be filmed is because the police forces up and down the country are failing the public. Its never about being a nuisance you serve the public and should be happy to engage with them. Typical copper stereotyping people again by assuming auditors all don't work. There are ex police officers now going out auditing so what does that say. I have a police background in my family and its never about being anti police If you ever want a reasonable discussion you can find my email on my banner ✌🏼💯

Remember people fought wars to protect these rights, and if you don't like it then don't be a police officer.

If a cop knows his or her bread and butter laws there shouldn't be a problem being filmed. However, having watched some auditors it's apparent that many cops either don't know these laws, or choose to abuse the law. The Terrorism Act, PACE and Public Order Act seem to be the most abused Acts. So Ben, if you know the basics of the law, you shouldn't have a problem. Just be respectful and if you see the auditor isn't breaking the law, move on and leave them to their filming.

I don't like most auditors approach, but there are some I think that do a genuinely good job and that stay respectful, unfortunately the police aren't always the same

if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear, isn't that what the police tell you.

I have mixed reviews on this. For at first I had the same views as most people in these comments, that it’s a 🔔 with a camera. But after seeing a lot of these videos posted on RU-vid, it has changed my views massively! Watching police officers using unnecessary force, abusing laws which are meant to keep us safe. Countless times I have seen PO’s using the terrorism search law, which was a law designed for something totally different. It’s exposed the shear lack of training within the police force, police training now is built around learning ethics and inclusive workplace, instead of learning the laws of the U.K.

You should watch one auditor vid from the US. He's in the police car park filming, and the stereotype sheriff walks out, big hat, gun, tache and all. Sheriff says good morning and asks him if he's filming cars. Auditor says yes. Sheriff asks if he'd like to come around the back to see their new cars, and has a conversation. Gets a good idea of what the guy is doing without out once being a poundshop Judge Dredd. Sheriff suggests couple of nice places to eat in his town and wishes him well. Auditor leaves. Sheriff gets far more from that interaction than all the 'I am the law' dickwads commonly shown.

Auditors are testing the law, to ensure that our rights are maintained. Cameras are useful for holding the police to account. Ben says the police don’t cover stuff up. The data suggests quite the opposite.

As far as I am aware, I've not come across an auditor who sits in their car waiting for a copper to come along. Most of whom I have seen are walking on foot doing their audit. In any case cops have had it too good for too long, beating and murdering members of the public and beating detained people in the cells In my City in the 70's a prisoner was murdered in police cells with a plastic bag placed over his head at Little Park Street Police Station Coventry. Coventry Police were also racist in the 70's and 80's Coventry had their share of corrupt Detectives also. All of the afore mentioned topics were before the days of P.A.C.E. It's now the public's turn to the turn tables on the Police and make then more accountable for their past illegal actions. The worst Police commissioner ever was Cressida Dick and her London Metropolitan Police Force. In my view the police have a long way way to go to repair the eroded line between the public and the Police....... Keep writing your books and I'm certain you will earn some extra coppers from Your Tube, But I'll never buy a book that you may have written nor will I subscribe or like your channel

Ben “saw an video online of an auditor asking a police officer for his” Yeah, because the police have a policy to identify themselves 🤔

Why wouldn't you want people to see what a great job you do?

Film,CCTV,bodycams but police want privacy,,,o piss off we all don't like being filmed,,, welcome to the UK !

Your wrong they are making sure you know the rules and clearly none of you dont

However there’s 2 sides to every story and he fails to mention the other side. These Auditors are only fishing for a reaction and unfortunately there’s some police officers out there who’s ego makes the police look bad, those bad police officers just can’t let it go and always have to get the last word in or they go off on a power trip. Usually these auditors are doing it because they’ve had a bad experience with some police officers. The best thing the police could do is not talk to these auditors and then the auditor wouldn’t have any footage. If there really is a security risk (because when was the last time there was a terrorist attack on a police station) then they wouldn’t make these police stations easily accessible and easily viewed. They’d be a big wall around those police stations. The car that followed him home doesn’t need to film him to follow him. Anyone can stand outside a police station WITHOUT a camera and watch who comes in and out, having a camera is irrelevant. And some people make a lot of money from RU-vid.

Wish I could work just 8 hours a week. Sounds like this guy doesn't like his own company tactics when there used against him. Boo hoo

Some auditors are making a lot of money from their channels £90,000 plus pa. Some choose to give big chunks of that cash away to homeless people. There are plenty dodgy police like there are plenty dodgy auditors, that is people. AB or Auditing Britain is very fair and very polite, it is about freedom, the right to film anything in public without a permission givers ok, it is a human right. The people who followed you are nothing to do with photography or bra sections of catalogs they are someone you have had dealings with or have pissed off.

I’ve watched auditing videos for several years, initially just American ones (and not in my dressing gown! 😉) I find them interesting because they juxtapose public authorities with the public’s rights. There are such a variety of auditors with equally varied motives. I personally prefer the passive, responsible auditors that seem to have rights and freedoms as their motivation. There are others that are in it for the drama, notoriety, and money - but they become obvious. It’s a shame officers like this chap don’t see the other side of auditing and have simply concluded that their only motivation is to ‘wind up coppers’. This is an unfair generalisation of the varied auditing community. There is another consideration he misses: police are a public service that we all pay for with no way of holding them accountable for poor behaviours and performance. Police are always going to be a focus on the very nature that they personify the governmental “authority”. Auditors have exposed some very poor policing behaviours in the past: a little public accountability to keep the authorities in check isn’t any harm at all. The shoe is very often on the other end of the foot with police recording the public and intruding on their privacy - they have to expect a similar response. The example the officer gave of someone following him home was chilling, but completely unrelated to auditing at all. The funny thing is, even though auditing has been a thing for so long, the penny still hasn’t dropped. If they ignored auditors, and didn’t engage - there would be really boring content, and people would stop watching. They have the power to stop it, but often individual officers ego won’t let them. 🤷‍♂️

An auditor is simply an interactive CCTV. It is always the police's choice to offer a reaction, or not. The police should realise they are the ones who promoted CCTV culture in the first place.

Some are better intentioned than others mate but at the end of the day…”if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about do you?” That’s your argument for CCTV and data collection etc.

Ben you are a top man but…. I feel better knowing there are people out there unofficially policing the police, because asking the police to police themselves is a bit like asking a morbid obese person to run a donut stall

That often IS their job . Possibly earning more than the officers from social media or claims from officers who behave badly

Best way to deal with them is just try and stay calm realise what they’re there to do and try and send them on there way. No section 43 or public order offence. Just one member of public to the other

guess if some police people didn't break the law, these people with cameras wouldn't be out there filming you

You have some really good points in this video but there's a but coming. It works the same when police ask for your name. You're not entitled to know someone's name just because you are police officer but you always ask for it alongside details. I don't want my face being monitored while I go to a football match and the police are going around with cameras " For our own safety ". I don't want to be filmed but the law, which you are using at this point is, you have no right to privacy while in public. I do agree that some auditors are going to get a rise from you but on the flipside some are showing how the police are breaking policing policies and are a law on to themselves. To summarise, I think this auditors are helping the situation here because they are showing the police hierarchy flaws in there training and why the public are not onside with them. If they actually take notice of what's going on then maybe the relationships can be made better and the public have more faith in the system.

'regardless of what you say' goes on to suggest channel 5 arent going to protect their filming contract with the police. tedious. lacking critical thinking.

You mentioned at the end words to the effect of "if you see a bobby getting had by a few lads, help them out". What exactly do you mean by this? If Joe public were to get involved in a fight, restraining etc what would be the legal repercussions? For example, if I saw somebody with a weapon pointed at a bobby, or a bobby getting stomped on by three guys and I sneaked up behind them and put them in a choke hold or hit them round the head, what would happen to me?

Please tell the truth. At Kidderminster the AB auditor channel recorded policewomen who arrested a man who was just walking on public access land and incarcerated him for five hours. The reasons the officers gave, were 1) causing alarm and distress - FALSE, 2) suspicion under the Terrorism act - FALSE, and 3) breaking the "RRR Policing Laws - NO SUCH LAW. Inside they gave him an out of date copy of PACE - BREACH IF HIS RIGHTS. Later, another member of the public wanted to make a counter complaint and was refused - AGAINST IOPC ADVICE. In the process the police appear to have committed the criminal and other offences of: denial of two rights, assault, battery, breach of GDPR and unlawful detention. Those are four or five crimes by more than one officer which create a legitimate suspicion in the minds of the public that the police there are lawless. This means anyone now has a lawful reason to treat police from there as suspect and to film every interaction for their own safety. The result, Kidderminster became a magnet for auditors and public complaints which increased the likelihood of police being followed and all the things that you are not happy about!. West Mercia issued an apology and the Chief Superintendent spoke in public about it. And the result of this auditing: police at Kidderminster are more polite, more respectful and have ceased abusing the public's rights around the station. Proof positive the auditors provide a public service and you are talking absolute nonsense.

I’ve got a question. Let’s say a normal member of the public is getting followed by an unknown car while they are driving home. Are they allowed to go through red lights and speed as long as they call 999 and explain the situation? Or if you did and a speed or red light camera caught you and you explained the situation. Would you be let off or not?

I don't like sticking up for the police but they are human beings at their job, and someone's dad or mom or daughter or son, and for someone to walk up to them with a camera on their face live on Facebook with a bullying and hateful vibe , demanding their name for everyone to see on Facebook and then insulting them and saying stuff like you are dismissed, they are bullies and the people who like them are the kind of people who like seeing people being treated badly, I watched one today and he went to an office block security team and started calling one of the female workers fat and ugly with his camera pointing at her, and then some passers-by punched him, and then he started screaming for the police, I wasn't surprised, all bullies are weak really

As a professional film maker I’ve seen auditing videos and have mixed views on the subject. I think it’s right that auditors are challenged outside police stations. Auditors when challenged should be open and engaging about what they are doing and that they are not showing private vehicle plates etc . One the other side I’ve seen footage where auditors have shown memos regarding auditing from the Association of chief police officers to concerned officers and making it quite clear of their purpose filming . These officers have then escalated the interaction using anti terror laws and public order for no valid reason . Some common sense on both sides would be appreciated. I would also recommend both the public and police video all interactions for mutual protection.

Unfortunately this is a deliberate misconception that the police and ignorant individuals like to portray to everyone. It's not true. In the hundreds if not thousands of auditor videos that are on RU-vid alone, every single one shows the auditor is approached by the police. The police chose to approach and interact. That is the point, the auditor knows the rules, and the legislation surrounding public photography, and filming in a public place, the issue has arisen from, and stems from as a result, decades of photographers been harassed, by police, illegally detained, illegally searched, and alot of the time illegally arrested, whilst having their details illegally gain by officers through the manipulation of the laws and legislations entrusted to them to Ironically enforce and protect the general public. Auditors don't just audit police stations either, they go around filming industrial sites, shopping centres, towns, cities, military bases, police stations, post offices, etc Whilst standing in a public place, they can legally film anything and anyone they like, and can see from that public place. The issue isn't the auditors, the issue is the people who do not understand the legal right to film and take pictures in public. This is also a very common practice now, and it is about time the police and others were educated. Father memos were sent to every police force in the country basically forbidding them to approach public photographers or people filming, they still insist on going against that, and harassing people.

Best way to deal with them is to leave em to it. When they provoke you they are getting the content that they want

The fact police have an issue being filmed tells you all you need to know about the police. Criminal to the core!! ALWAYS RECORD THE COPS!

I was expecting someone a bit more balanced and professional, hard to believe this guy was an Inspector or maybe it isn't in the light of recent events.

In regards to giving a hand how does it work in regards to the offender trying to press charges because you say grabbed them to help the offerer gain control ?

What do you think of the professional policing degree. I'm doing one at the minute to join the police but I'd much rather be getting stuck in doing beat work

A lot of Police don’t like being filmed because they are being held accountable. Plus their massive ego takes a hit when they are being filmed. The auditor does a valuable service to the public. I actually like your videos but I have to disagree with you on this one. There are rouge officers in every county and know this because I used to do the job myself.

What really gets me is when people video ambulance crews with an injured or vulnerable person. It's just wrong, especially when their in a life-threatening situation. Imagine your mum or dad was trapped in a mangled car wreck with firefighters and paramedics trying to get them out and a bunch of bystanders were videoing what is likely the worst day of that patient's life, just for views on Facebook or TikTok. People need to show some decency.

Genuine question Ben - if coppers are so worried about people seeing their private cars at the station (often behind see through gates/fences), why do they park there? Why not park else where and walk to the station? Or cycle? 🤷🏻‍♂️ And you said halfway through that you’re not bothered about being filmed….but you’ve made a whole video literally about being bothered about being filmed 🤷🏻‍♂️ which is it?

They go to stations claiming its a matter of public interest but then proceed to not film any part of the station but instead purposely film people's vehicles whether they are parked or moving. I thought it was the station that was a matter of public interest? Why the registrations? Oh wait its because they know they will get a rise and a reaction.

I've been filmed doing my job and it really affected me. I'm a doorman, I was on a venue one weekend, few lads left having a few heated words then this lad went running over to this guy half his size, I tried to run to stop him but he connected with him just as I got there. Restrained this lad on the floor and next thing is some random member of the public came over filming screaming how I was bullying a young lad. Nobody had filmed this lad decking a guy half his size or me running down the street to try and stop it (which we're not meant to do, we're not covered if we are off the premises). Video goes viral in my local area (I've never looked at it since it passed about 20k views) The main thing that got to me was the comments saying how I need shooting, I was high on drugs, lets arrange a load of boys to go and sort him out.. all for trying to do the best I'm my job. There was cctv showing the full incident that would of shown the truth but obviously it can't be released. Even had to help the police arrest the guy later on yet that one video almost made me quit. I got into the job to help people and was a real kick in the teeth to be portrayed in that light due to half a video.

They don't go looking for a reaction, they go looking for corruption, police not knowing the law and police twisting it. Photography is not a crime!

Everything you said at the beginning of the video is also applied to police

The best way to deal with 'auditors' is to just ignore them. They're harmless little weirdos who have nothing better to do with their lives than try and get a reaction from police officers. As soon as they know they can't get a reaction they'll get bored and piss off.

The reason they do it is not because they’ve got nothing better to do, it’s because they earn money through posting the videos to RU-vid. Provoking a reaction from officers is what drives their views up; getting arrested even more so. RU-vid should just ban frauditor videos.

Who the hell on God's earth would want to be a police officer? Can't do it for the money! They do it for the power trip.

I’ve never seen auditors sitting outside police stations. Waiting outside is better.

"Im a police officer, working 8 hours a week" Fuck me i need a career change

Hi Ben hope you're alright ! I just got my final offer through, and I'm starting in mid march, watching your video's has kept on reminding me why I applied, to make a difference, and it's also opened my eyes to areas of policing that are hardly ever, or NEVER spoken about. would you have any tips for the training process ? I'm a little on the "skinny runt" side of the BMI chart, so, I'm taking weight gain powder to try and bulk up a little, have you got any other tips? love the video's mate !!!!

There are a couple of times that I wished I had a camera with me when dealing with the Police and PCSO.. The first was a PCSO cycling along an allyway that had a NO CYCLING sign either end, I stopped her and pointed out that the youngsters see her doing it and think sod it she can do it... She told me she was allowed to ignore the signs if it was safe to do so and asked for my name, DOB and address, a tactic I feel was aimed at intimidating me, I declined unless she was planning to send me a birthday card.. I went straight to the nearby Police Station and reported the lass. Must have worked as they now push their bikes through the alleys... The other time was when my wife whilst driving witnessed a messy RTC, she phoned me all upset and said she felt she could not drive any further that day due to shock, I walked about a mile to the scene to find her, to be met with a shouting copper telling people to go away - which I can understand, but when I tried to tell him I was looking for my wife who was quite upset after witnessing the RTC he told me he was not there to help people and to go away, then when he noticed I was looking for his shoulder number he pushed his shoulders back to make it difficult to get the numbers.. A passer by asked if I was looking for the lady in the blue Renault and if so she was in a nearby house.. I thought about what had happened and phoned the force Professional Standards dept, they had the area Traffic Inspector phone me to arrange a meeting. He wanted me to travel 20 odd miles to a Police Station although I live 150yds from a main Police Station, so I declined and said I would contact their Professional Standards again... He then said my local station would be fine.. At the meeting the Inspector said that he had been at the RTC scene and what I was telling him was a load of rubbish... I told him he was not there - only the stroppy copper. He then admitted he was not there but was testing my story.. I had a letter from Profession Standards a month or so later to say my complaint had been dealt with and the officer disciplined..

Reminds me of being in class and you and your friend are trying so hard not to hit the giggles 😂😂😂😂😂

Not sure why people are saying he didn't earn 40k as a constable when it's public knowledge that a police constable will achieve that Salary after 7 years service. Judging by the fella in the video I'd say he's old enough to have done 7 years.

Hey Ben. As someone who has PTSD, I wanted to say thank you for being an advocate for people like us, you’re a wonderful lad and I’m glad to see you taking things as they come.

I was harassed by my local police force. The same Two police officers were always the culprits after a family issue with the police (wasnt criminal related) and i wish I had recorded it to get something done about it. I think a lot of citizen journalism has helped prove wrong doings. But there should be rules In Place where the person recording should state they’re recording, not get in the way unless (particularly in america) someone is in danger and they should at least remain respectful so long as the police do. If your pals getting locked up for having a boot load of green, don’t record and post on Facebook saying the police are arresting him for no reason. Plus context often gets missed out, where police may use force but the part where the offender attacked an officer is missed out. It’s easy to manipulate on both sides. Recording is totally fine as long as you don’t act like a twatwagon getting all bbc reporter with your iPhone

There was a lady at a crash I helped at being like this, like there are two people trapped it’s a nasty RTC I stopped as I’m first aid trained only just happened soon as the professionals turned up I told them what I knew and backed off. It’s not my job but this woman was poking her nose in and getting in the way of the emergency crews especially the police. Absolutely horrendous!

a policeman walked over to a parked car and asked the driver if the car was licensed. "of course it is," said the driver. " great, I'll have a pint then," said the policeman.

My main concern is should these auditors be filming a station, and a vulnerable DA victim is attending to make a report, and the suspect views that footage and sees the victim seeking police help, you could genuinely be putting their life at risk.

What if we went to have a look around the station to see if there are any faults / health and safety concerns and provide a virtual tour experience to the viewers who genuinely find police stations interesting. I have full respect when visiting and love having a good nosey around. I did enjoy your take on it though and yes filming constable + personal car is a big no no. I ask if it’s unmarked or personal so I can edit it out 👍

I'm not a fan-boy who writes blank cheques for the fuzz. I could write a book about my bad experiences of bad policing. Even so, 'auditors' are self-important nerdy knobheads and probably not the sort of people with whom most of us would enjoy hanging out. Sad cases.

Just ignore them .. If someone wanted to get to you after work they could .. They wouldn't try to film it outside the cop shop .. They only exist because you get riled up and abuse stop and search / terrorism law

There not their to stick their noses in, they are there to defend the public's rights. What you have seen, like 2 audit videos, one of them was not official, it was probably just criminals. It is for the good of the country and the police force. If they cant do simple jobs, like not take away peoples rights, following protocols e.t.c. thrn how are they good at there job when it comes to the big things?

Lost respect for this man

They might be in a dressing gown but alot of them are making a shed ton of money while they do

There’s one particular auditor called DJ Audits who started off polite and lately is becoming rude and aggressive. He says he can see his drone at 500 metres, I very much doubt it. About time the police shut this guy down. Comes from Leicestershire and is called Nigel Roy Dicks. You can tell by his attitude that something ain’t quite right upstairs. If that’s the case is he medically unfit to be in charge of a drone?

As a retired officer I can concur with Ben. On one occasion whilst sitting in a police van during a busy Saturday we had a so called auditor come up to us sticking his camera right up against the window. I tried talking to him and all he did was be rude with comments like "why are you doing nothing, were paying you wages", we were not doing nothing we were awaiting instructions from VL regarding an on-going domestic event and were told to go 18 (on standby to respond). But this guy was not interested in hearing anything we were prepared to say, he just wanted to start an altercation/reaction. Most of these guys are people that probably have had issues with police for whatever reason previously and see this as a way to have a poke. In my 30+ years most police officers were very professional and were very committed to their jobs, not the tyrants these idiots like to portray.

Rights that are not execrcised regularly are lost

The good auditors are the ones that wait for the police officer to coke up to them

Whos this guy to judge whether i have better things to do with my time, people spot trains and planes and flipping eddie stobart trucks. This plod needs to ask himself why hes so scared if he does a good job? Leave the auditors alone and they have no show. Police should understand this by now.....

Amazing video. Love the comments you made against then 😂😂😂

Strange how the armchair auditors commenting on this video have all failed to mention that 09:30 you said all officers who abuse their powers should be thrown out of the force.

I’ve started turning radio up when they coming over so they get a bit of greatest hits blocking their audio, and if they film at night I’ll turn stab vest torch on as it block off you from their video. I can’t stand personal cars being filmed though

Guess you don't like filth wrongdoings to be filmed.

It's cold and heating is expensive so of course I'm wearing a dressing gown at 3pm 😅

we know how the flying squad at the Sweeney would deal with auditors

If I ever see one of these "audits" taking place IRL I'll be glad to put the auditor to the test by being a total fucking prick to them, in any way possible, to the fullest extent allowed by the law. I imagine if I followed one of them home and filmed their house from the street, they would be calling on the coppers and begging them to infringe on my rights very quickly indeed.

Just because you CAN do something Doesent mean you SHOULD do something.

Hi Ben, love your videos. My son joined Lancs Police last year and he has just got his independent patrol status. Any advice for him

What goes around comes around karma justice

What bugs me is just because something Is not unlawful, doesn't mean that its right to do. Locally an Auditor filmed a lady in crisis outside a hospital , being calmed by Police & nurses. If that lady was someone she loved, then would he mind? Also, there are no rules saying that police officers can't ask for details- yet the auditirs are horrified if asked.