Dealing with unfavourable GUSTY CROSSWINDS in a SMALL aircraft

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As pilots of light aircraft, it seems we’re always battling the elements and when I see those really popular videos on RU-vid showing airliners crabbing against strong crosswinds or being bounced around by gusty turbulence on final it makes me laugh because the pilots always get lorded for their skills, but for us, this is all pretty standard affair.
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@dickbudig6693 Год назад

Here's a true story related to turbulence/winds/landings. While working for Beech Aircraft in Wichita, KS, a student pilot in a company aircraft landed so hard that he drove the right landing gear up through the wing. Normally, the daily winds at Beech Field were iffy and best, and mostly downright nasty. Pilots who learn to fly in this part of the country simply learn how to deal with it. But this particular morning, weather was benign . . . winds mere whispers. Of course, the crash racket emptied nearby office building and hangars, which included the office of Beech's chief production test pilot, a man named "Jelly" Phyler. He sauntered out, surveyed the carnage and shook his head. Another gawker standing nearby asked aloud, "Wonder what happened," to which Jelly replied, "Dunno . . . must have been the calm."

@ShortField Год назад

Brilliant Dick :-)

@lauran3244 Год назад

Musta been the ole 80’ flare?

@scottthomas3672 Год назад

My crosswind limit is 3 bean burritos. No seriously, great explanation. It's like skidding a car in a way.

@ShortField Год назад

🤣🤣 yep, spicy burrito should do it. Exactly if you can 'donut' a car you can land in a crosswind 🙂

@PilotJan Месяц назад

with a seventeen Meter wide Grob109b taildragger it is even more exciting! Tip??

@AerospaceNick 2 года назад

I’m fairly low hours and have recently moved from a Cessna 150 to a 172. It took a fair while to get a feel in the 172 with heavier rudder pedals to become happier in crosswinds, though I still don’t like gusty days. Great videos, really enjoying them!

@ShortField 2 года назад

Hi Nick, you can teach theory and watch hundreds of videos but I think the key thing to take away from this totally non-instructional video is....experience, just keep practicing at any opportunity and your limits will naturally rise. Thank you so much for your watch and comment.

@AerospaceNick 2 года назад

@@ShortField absolutely and I love watching seeing others experience. Nothing beats doing/feeling it for yourself. Thanks again, look forward to the next one 😁

@gcorriveau6864 Год назад

To give we-the-lowly-line-pilots our due for these nasty landings ;-) we are also dealing with aircraft having significant mass, which makes them much more susceptible to wind-shears. Our actual landing weight can vary each time by a huge range, meaning each approach feels differently and is flown at a different speed with carefully controlled additives for headwinds, shears, gusts, etc.; and the aircraft responsiveness varies accordingly. We are landing at two, or three times the speed of typical light aircraft, which makes the tires susceptible to hydroplaning. We land at a variety of airports with Density Altitudes varying by thousands of feet, also affecting performance. Our rollout times/speeds (when we are still very susceptible to gusts, weather vaning, steering issues) is longer. The runways are more often "short fields" for our aircraft with little room for inaccuracies and dangerous over-runs. The runways are not much wider than our wingtips. Our aircraft often have significant limitations on the bank/pitch attitudes available during the flare to avoid expensive ground contact with tails, wing-tips or engines... and we are doing this according to a schedule, day-in, day-out, in constantly changing weather situations, traffic situations ... and so on - and constantly being judged and "graded" by our passengers and others ha ha. So - hey! - maybe a few Congrats! for surviving yet another one is just fine! Yah?😁😂 My current flight hours are with a PA-38. I'm enjoying your videos and seeing how the Piper Sport compares. Great production values. Nice video, all-in-all. Thanks for sharing and best wishes for many more happy hours. It looks like you have some awesome places to fly there.

@ShortField Год назад

Sir that is an awesome comment and I never set out to upset the fantastic commercial pilots that take me to my business meetings and vacations in all weather and rarely let me down. I merely set out to show us little birds get thrown about all over the place in relatively low winds and it's a good job there's rarely any pax to complain 🙂Thank you so much for the watch and the comment, I feel really honoured Captain that you like my little strip flying vids. Cheers Terry

@martinjmerritt 9 месяцев назад

Excellent video and accompanying narrative.

@ForFunFlyer Год назад

Informative video, well done! I'll share it amongst my student pilots 👌🏻

@dollargodfrey-eze9755 2 года назад

Great video Terry! 6:09 was really key for me on my Skills Test. Stiffest X-wind I ever saw pitched up to the airfield on the day. Examiner concluded by saying: “you’re the first Pilot I’m examining whose flapless landing is better than landing with flaps…when the CAA receive your paperwork…” That’s how I knew I had passed!

@ShortField 2 года назад

Thanks Dollar, great job on the Skills Test as well. As you know practice makes perfect.

@ccousinsr32 2 года назад

Nice video Terry, thanks for posting. I’ve yet to push the demonstrated crosswind limit in our group’s PS28, but good to remember that a demonstrated limit is just that - the aircraft (and you) could be capable of a higher one, but practice makes perfect!

@ShortField 2 года назад

Thank you for the kind comment. As you know in a sub 600kg aircraft being thrown around on even the meekest of weather days is pretty normal, but they are surprisingly very capable and with experience can be operated safely in some crazy weather. Saying that I prefer it when it's calm 🙂

@ThomasGrillo Год назад

I'm just, and will always be an armchair pilot, as I'm legally blind with other health issues, but that doesn't stop me enjoying aviation from the simulated perspective. In FS2020, they've really got wind effects much more realistic. I've found I have to learn to crab a lot more than in older versions of simulators. My nemesis is just prior to touchdown, and having to remember to kick in a bit of rudder to straighten the plane to the runway. Haven't tried the other method, yet. Thanks for sharing.

@ShortField Год назад

I use MSFS2020 a lot and even use it to check out new airfields before visiting. I agree the models in MSFS are really great and are very similar, performance wise to the real things. Thank you Sir.

@ThomasGrillo Год назад

@@ShortField Indeed. Oh, by the way, the Bing Azure assets are at least 10 years dated, and Asobo Studios have informed me there are no plans to update the assets being used by FS2020 in the near future, other than the recent updates that were pushed to us. But, yes, very close.

@jeff3741 Год назад

I love crosswind landings. If you grease it you get bragging rights. If it's ugly... hey there was a crosswind.

@ShortField Год назад

Too true Jeff cheers :-)

@antonyunderwood5846 Год назад

Thankyou so much for your videos! I am learning to fly at your home airfield. You are certainly helping my learning. One day I hope to nail crosswind landings also. Thanks again.

@ShortField Год назад

Come over and say Hi if you see me about Antony.

@kevchilton908 2 года назад

Another enjoyable video, Terry. She looks great to handle in those conditions… and you do make it look like fun 👌🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@ShortField 2 года назад

Cheers Kev, I love 'em 🙂

@CFITOMAHAWK2 Год назад

If you are right handed and fly from the left seat, Better land with a right crosswind. The body almost automatically makes try to make the Crosswind Slip touchdown by applying right aileron and left rudder for that slip to touchdown. Contrary if a left crosswind.

@ShortField Год назад

That's so funny because it is true, wind from the right in P1 seat as a right hander is easier. Cool.

@2081dwillis 9 месяцев назад

Nice video. I love the feeling of control during cross-wind landings.

@ShortField 9 месяцев назад

Me too!

@piper0428 Год назад

Nice. Makes it more difficult with wind shear present!

@ShortField Год назад

Yes Sir.

@mikelindsay6980 Год назад

Thanks for the video on X wind landing. You make it look so easy!

@ShortField Год назад

😀Cheers Mike, I still struggle 🙂

@altomar718 2 года назад

Nice one Terry - Great information - - - as usual

@ShortField 2 года назад

Cheers Chris most appreciated 👍

@JodelFlyer 2 года назад

Good video Terry. You had some very blustery approaches there! Added problems when you go through the process in a taildragger when the wind can still cause a problem on the ground as it try’s to blow the tail around! You are coming up with some very interesting topics. Well done 👍😎

@musoseven8218 2 года назад

Good points, whole different dimension with a taildragger - imho it's not stopped flying until it's stopped and in the hanger🤔🤔😄😄 I well remember one blustery day and a short hop to Wroughton in an Aeronca Chief - at Wroughton they wouldn't use the cross wind runway, so interesting but doable. Upon return to the grass farm strip - the wind had gotten worse - once down, I had to jump out whilst still moving (slow speed) and hold the wing down! 😲😳🤫🤭 I was young and fit then👍👍😕😄😄

@ShortField 2 года назад

Thanks Tim, I agree totally, taildragger's are something else. I don't have a video of it but a couple of years ago I took the SportCruiser into Old Buck in a 35 knot crosswind but ran out of rudder so couldn't land on the first attempt on the second I managed to get it down in a lull, that little bird amazes me in how capable it is.

@DeadReckoner 3 месяца назад

I recently had 39kt straight across the hold in the DA42, then 20kt across at surface level (gusting a bit higher). It was a lot of fun, but I felt like I'd been at the gym after it xD

@ShortField 3 месяца назад

Hope you remained fully established all the way down :-) Congratulations again Scott, hopefully say hi when you take me on holiday.

@porkorosso7885 2 года назад

Another great video Terry, thanks! I prefer crabbing too, as the Sport Cruiser seems most happy set up this way. I do a practice approach and go around in strong crosswinds and/or gusty conditions, especially at airstrips I’m not familiar with. I’m also very careful when taxing in strong winds - slowly does it, for me.

@ShortField 2 года назад

Agree Vince our aircraft seem much more stable crabbing. Great point about taxing though. Thank you. Credit to you for the opener :-)

@airfool Год назад

Very good explanation and good editing work. *subscribed*

@ShortField Год назад

Really really appreciate the kind comment and I hope I can get to keep your cherished sub Sir.

@FlyingDarkLord 2 года назад

Nice! 😊👍🏼

@philbrammer3632 2 года назад

Great vid. I enjoy the occasional wrestle with a strong turbulent crosswind

@ShortField 2 года назад

Thanks for the view Phil, totally agree very satisfying.

@FLYINGADDICTed 2 года назад

Nice one :)

@davebuggins2198 2 года назад

Another great video, 27 knots , with a. X wind, nice.

@ShortField 2 года назад

Cheers Dave

@musoseven8218 2 года назад

Great video as always👍👍😊 - sometimes the aeroplane might be able to cope but the pilot can't? Know your limits etc comes into play. I can hardly remember a time, during GA flights, a silky smooth day, and it's good when training - I'm no expert - to fly as much as possible in the winter months too, get as much experience of different conditions as possible when training👍😊

@ShortField 2 года назад

Thank you as always and that's a great comment. It's always a combination of experience on type and the aircraft's envelope, but it's amazing what some of these little planes can cope with.

@musoseven8218 2 года назад

@@ShortField Thanks 👍😊 Your Sportcruiser is a remarkable machine and it looks so sleek that it doesn't seem like farm strip aircraft of old, it looks at home anywhere too😊👍👍

@mattbasford6299 Год назад

I guess my training was different. I never look at the airspeed indicator in the pattern. I just look out the window and land the plane, whatever that requires with power and pitch.

@ShortField Год назад

Knowing your aircraft is the key to this Matt and looks like your training was excellent.

@Herofromzer0 8 месяцев назад

Im sea level pilot and i tought mastered on cross winds till i land 3000ft airport. Every thing changed plane approach speed, flying and carrying capacity leeson learned in hard bouncy landings ;), normally approach crap and aligning before touch down but high altitudes it sinks much faster and needs much rudder that i used to ;) lessons learned and carry on

@ShortField 8 месяцев назад

Interesting! Thank you.

@InducedBank 2 года назад

Really enjoyed that Terry, very interesting, and some nice challenging and well executed landings! There's a strict 12knt crosswind limit for the flexwings - at least for the GT450, although reading stories from Brian Milton and David Sykes the flexwings are clearly capable of landing in much stronger crosswinds than that - I think I'll stick to the POH defined 12knt limit!

@ShortField 2 года назад

Thanks Mike really appreciate the view and comment. 12 knot xwind limitation on a single runway is quite limiting especially in this country and Scotland 😀 but I can imagine with no rudder flex wings would be a real handful in anything much stronger. Thanks again matey.

@edmoorebsc 8 месяцев назад

Thanks Terry this was interesting. I am learning at Elstree and finding the crosswind landings quite challenging, especially on 08 with the big downslope. The instructors like to us to aim right for the first edge of tarmac with the hope the wheels will touch right on the threshold before the downslope... this means there's basically no margin if, as you point out, the wind eases or changes in the last 50'. I can generally fly a half decent stabilised approach but currently finding the last 10 seconds of round out and flare a bit of a blur!

@ShortField 8 месяцев назад

Just keep doing it Ed, it will come sir I promise. Good luck with the training.

@edmoorebsc 8 месяцев назад

Soloed on Friday so they must think I'm getting there!@@ShortField

@GC987 2 года назад

Another great video. You produce such high content video, graphics and commentary. Kudos - neither a short nor easy task. Is the airfield just over 4 minutes in North Weald as well ? I see the arrows on the grass so presumably one needs to land on the hard ??? I fly a self launching motor glider and landing on grass is nice but so is rolling out onto tarmac (particularly at this time of year when it's possible to get bogged down on soggy grass) hence my interest.

@ShortField 2 года назад

You are sooo kind thank you Graeme. The airfield with the grass starter is Beccles in Norfolk it has a 500m smooth tarmac main runway but in dry conditions you can use the 150m of grass for either landing or take off. In the winter they usually only have the hard runway available. The transition between grass and tarmac is very smooth. Thank you again Sir.

@jamesnoonan7450 Год назад

I'm an instructor. I primarily teach PPL and insturment ratings, I'd honestly argue that a GA pilot has far better stick and rudder skill than your average airline pilot.

@ShortField Год назад

I agree it’s because the safety aspect of commercial flying dictates that the pilot touches as little as possible 😃

@mr2spyderchronicles287 Год назад

Nice info. I fly a tecnam 2002, very similar configuration and its not an easy task with strong crosswinds, though maximum demonstrated on the manual is 22. Most i landed with it was around 16kts. For me its worse dealing with the turbulence on final than the wind itself

@ShortField Год назад

I find smaller aircraft easier in x-winds especially with responsive Rotax engines, just power through the approach. 16knots across is pretty gnarly.

@Peter_M Год назад

When I approach RWY in crosswind conditions i usually aim for upwind part of runway and not directly on centerline and usually during decrabing wind move me on centerline. I also use lower flaps than in normal wind conditions. It improves GO-A performance.

@ShortField Год назад

Good points, thank you

@marydoherty6245 9 месяцев назад

Hi. I am a student pilot. Once I get the crosswind landing I will be ready to solo. Still hasn’t clicked and believe me I am trying!!!!!! Mary

@ShortField 9 месяцев назад

It will come Mary, little steps. Good luck with the training.

@Cessna8057F Год назад

Thank you! I’m still a short time pilot with a cessna 150. I will take your advice and get practicing with an instructor on board with me.

@ShortField Год назад

Thanks Brian, yes try them out with your instructor, the more you do the easier it gets.

@evanperson819 Год назад

Great video Terry. Can you share what software you use to create your aminations?

@ShortField Год назад

Thanks Evan it was all made in Adobe After Effects, you can get a free trial from commerce.adobe.com/store/segmentation?cli=adobe_com&co=GB&pa=aeft_direct_individual&ot=TRIAL

@BlueSideUp Год назад

As I fly mostly our own Cirrus with a much higher momentum/stability obviously the numbers are different. Yesterday I landed with 13g17kt and 10kt crosswind components. In the Cirrus, 10kt from the left is ideal for me to correct my slight typical wandering off centerline to the left. But honestly you don't feel much in the Cirrus, also not with crosswind component gusts of 17kt. Our G2 has an approach speed of 75kt, at usual weight that's a hell of a lot of kinetic energy. The BR23 and Aquila 211 are different stories. However, I am a follower of famous Chinese CFI One Wing Low, and if you are honest you are as well, as you also transition just before touchdown 😄

@ShortField Год назад

I owned a Rockwell Turbo Commander for 13 years before the little Pipersport and you are right the extra weight really helps on crosswind approaches, saying that the smaller aircraft with Rotax engines have more instant power and you can react quicker to upsets and drive them down the approach. Thanks Robert

@pjsministry7316 Год назад

Great video. You should try landing in an ercoupe in a good xwind with no rudder control. Thanks again for the great video. Chaplain Billy - Ercoupe owner

@ShortField Год назад

Thank you Sir we have a few of those in the UK. Each aircraft has it's limitations but it's good to safely find them for yourself.

@Raffles666 2 года назад

you ever get to barton egcb ? my local - see you there...

@ShortField 2 года назад

Thanks for the comment and watch. Will be at Barton in April I’ll let you know when I’m coming love to say Hi 👍👍👍

@Raffles666 2 года назад

@@ShortField look forward to it :)

@smiddy19801 Год назад

I dont mind the approch, its gettintg the plane lined up straight just before touch down, I am always to much rudder or to little, still learning tho

@ShortField Год назад

Keep doing it Paul and you will get there. It's just a learned technique it won't take long. Thanks buddy.

@VusaMoyo Год назад

Loving the dual D180 dynon setup. Does the one on the right also back up as a AH in case the left fails? I've had to send mine twice to the US for repair after random failures. Cheers

@ShortField Год назад

Yes they are both redundant so you have the same on both. We did have a major GPS issue though. Not that reliable.

@stratotramp6243 2 года назад

Very sporty. I still find them pretty uncomfortable but only had a few exposures I suppose! I think I usually end up doing a mix of crabbing and wing down (usually not on purpose!) 🤣 i.e. less Jedi anticipation and finesse due to lack of experience and more seat of pants with a low threshold for the decision to go around.

@ShortField 2 года назад

Thanks Martin, the more you do the better you get, it's not science, but you knew that. Thanks for your support and for your great clip.

@noname-zg8lh Год назад

What is the max crosswind component in the POH for this aircraft?

@ShortField Год назад

Just 12 knots 😀

@flyingkub 2 года назад

Interesting video. I like the wing low as the crab requires kick in rudder low and this cause extra ailerong needed to stop the up wing lifting, puting the down wind wing at a greater angle of attack just when you as slow and doing in the flare in gusty wind or steep wind greadiant increase s the risk of stalling the down wind wind. The other problem is if you have not kicked off the crab enough you are landing with a side load and with a Tail Dragger that is a big problem. As you know I fly a very light tail dragger, the crab is not anything like as much of a problem with a low wing tri gear aircraft but I would still kick off the crab a good bit before the round out. Just my thoughts (I AM NOT AN INSTRUCTOR).

@ShortField 2 года назад

Thanks Algy, you are right each aircraft has its own handling characteristics in crosswinds. Kicking out the crab is just a transition to a side slip really so in actual fact I use a combination of the two. Carrying extra energy gives more authority in the flare but does require a more flown on landing. Thanks again

@khaosai Год назад

Where do you stand with insurance if you damage the aircraft landing in a cross wind above the max demonstrated in the operating handbook.

@ShortField Год назад

Good point, may have to delete the video and not report it until it's nice and calm, unless I get spotted by the tower :-) I don't know to be honest probably they would have a case for not paying out. Great question.

@gcorriveau6864 Год назад

FWIW - There's a significant legal difference between a "demonstrated" crosswind value and a strict certification limitation (I.e. "maximum take-off weight). The demonstrated wind usually represents the most the manufacturer could find during their testing - and for a recreational aircraft I'd be surprised if they don't publish a lower number than this just to avoid setting up recreational pilots for accidents. As for commercial aircraft, they'll fly to distant airports in search of the highest crosswinds they can find so they can publish a relatively high number in line with competing aircraft. There are some interesting videos of various airliner crosswind landing tests on youtube.

@fredread9216 Год назад

I learned to fly at and airport that didn’t have a lot of crosswinds. So I never did get real good at it. Maybe 10kts. In a 172 was all that I cared for.

@ShortField Год назад

It's all about being comfortable with them, I would guess that even though you had not flown in stronger crosswinds as you already have the technique I would think you would be fine in higher winds. Thank you Fred for watching and commenting Sir.

@fredread9216 Год назад

@@ShortField Yes indeed.

@TheAirplaneDriver Год назад

Nice video. Word of advice…I would caution you against telling people to bank steeply in the base to final turn to reacquire the runway centerline. That can be a very dangerous maneuver rife with potential “gotchas”. You said it yourself that the base to final turn is dangerous and then advised people to perform the exact maneuver that makes it dangerous. We do not teach the buttonhook recovery as an acceptable maneuver. Most examiners would bust a checkride if a student did that. Yes it can be done but has to be done right…really right.

@ShortField Год назад

I am deffo not an instructor. Base to final for me means keeping the nose level or low and the wings unloaded whatever speed you do it at. I was merely pointing out that if I get blown through final by a x-wind I'll slowly get back onto final if there's room, no knife edge turns.

@TheAirplaneDriver Год назад

@@ShortField Understood. I’m not trying to be critical. It was a great video and I enjoyed it. The buttonhook turn can go very wrong very quickly…airspeed, bank angle, pitch attitude and coordination are all critical elements needed to keep it together. Best to not even suggest in a RU-vid video that it is okay to perform the maneuver. People view you as an expert and might attempt to emulate what they see without a full explanation of how to perform the maneuver. They can get themselves into trouble as a result. Aviation is a great thing and your videos clearly convey your love of flying. It’s all good. Just be careful what you say. Keep up the good work! Thanks.

@patthewoodboy 8 месяцев назад

you are unfair on pilots of big planes , result of a gust is slower and the recovery is slower , lots of lag , a small aeroplane , less lag ... its all about mass

@ShortField 8 месяцев назад

I know they have a lot more responsibility too, however good stick and rudder skills are required in any aircraft and with so much automation ATPL's probably don't get enough these days. Thanks and I do understand your comment.

@rodneyskennedy3163 Год назад

Great video, I have landed my pioneer 300 now in a 20 knot XW at my local airfield. It took the me the third go to get on the deck but as you say just takes practice especially on your own and always be ready for a “go around” .

@ShortField Год назад

Good job nailing the landing Rodney. It's all relative the lighter we are the more we are affected. Thanks for the view and comment Sir.