Death of An Artstyle 

People are already whining and jumping to conclusions lol

make a modern follow up

If VALVE wanted to loosen the restrictions intentionally to encourage expression, then why is their A clear pattern of them mostly choosing things with the established art style in mind, then only making exceptions for items in the rarest slots of A case? Plus team recognition is important and in A much worse state then it was when this video was made. I think the line you drew here for "egregious" cosmetics was reasonable, and your example using the glitched heavy as A *joke* now looks like it could happen if the very real legit version on sniper goes multi class. I mean if you really feel like its fine as it is, then how much further will you accept? Do we cross the line when pyro finally completes his full body paintable clown suit? Maybe another few head as fruit hats? OH! What about A watermelon to complement the citrus? We could even reuse the model! I honestly don't think you care either way, you even said that yourself in this video, and that's fine. But this video is on point. regardless of how interested you are in defending your opinions in it.

ugh You do walk back on the video, at least in some capacity, by dismissing unbefitting cosmetics as "funny" or the objective problems some cause as "arbitrary or subjective." Some nuance and subjectivity lies in determining what is/is not befitting for the game, but certain lines were crossed long ago that should have never been. I think most people could agree and a giant hot pink banana head isn't something that belongs, for example. This video remains spot on, and seeing you (and many others) become complacent with Valve sacrificing what makes TF2 unique for the sake of "player expression" saddens me. Don't be fooled, Valve may have intentionally lifted their restrictions, but with money in mind, and not with care for the game nor player expression, that's for damn sure. You may not care anymore, and that's fine, you've moved on to others things. But many others still do, and reducing concerns with content selection to "eh, it's funny," puts a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths. I'll always stand by players being allowed to express themselves within the confines of a game's style and tone, but to not open the floodgates to anything they desire simply because they like it and it "expresses" who they are.

@@ZestyJesus You sir have been bamboozled! Do you think Funke might elaborate on the apparent nuance im not seeing? Perhaps we define the interests of player expression differently?

So too modernly anachronistic, and too busy. That and the last 30 seconds sum up the whole video.

@Daniel von Strangle i played in a game with robtheawsm and i was in one of his twitch stream

I love it

Probably

Yeah lol

The ones that came with the Electric Bugaloo hats cracked me up good.

Heads will roll

Aquaphoto I don't I just enjoy the way the hat looks not how nicely a few sentences are worded

Nick Whittle The descriptions added some charm to the items even if they were just small things. Also the thing is that the community items added each update already have a description on their page yet Valve doesn't even add them which kinda sucks imo

Aquaphoto same

what.

a painted executioner with the binoculus makes foreskin man

@@lostobj WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU WANT TO BE FORESKIN MAN

@@Vance415 why not?

@@MSCDonkeyKong BECAUSE THATS WEIRD AS HELL

More like they just fucking yeet the game out of the window.

Justin they just left it there for a week

@@Justin-fh2yp giving heavy a banana doesn't ruin the game clown

Cropsy I meant they dropped any effort focusing on tf2 and just work on something else (Probably, idk what I trying to say 6 months ago)

@@Justin-fh2yp they don't yeet the game out of the window they just leave it untouched in their room, not having updates while can make the game boring for some veterans it also doesn't make the game bad either tf2 is still very good even tho it doesn't get updates

I remember reading how part of the art design was that you could immediately identify a TF2 class by his silhouette. A pity that got thrown out the window, never to return.

**gets 1.1k and 2 replies**

@@firephoenix6056 not every big comment need hundreds of replies

@@cibo889 what a perfect literature you just written

Rohan the fat items kinda make it harder to tell if that’s an engineer or heavy

A Kelp Shake true

A Kelp Shake Spy still doesn’t though

Also Soldier. He was eating one before the Yeti jumped on him at the jungle inferno short.

Should of put a cheesesteak instead

Heavy is big gei confirmed?

There was a similar mod years ago that disabled all hats clientside, but this also included the default hats that some classes wear, so you'd see a lot of bald engies and soldiers running around.

That would also be good for people running low-end PCs. TF2 has become such a jumble of spaghetti code over there years something simple like that could double some folk's performance.

There is a script to make TF2 run better that has that as an option.

@Kattos _ can't find the one I used but there are several mods to remove hard and unusual effects and such

@Radio Star being an asshole on the internet doesn't make you cool. Who the fuck asked for your opinion?

the souls of the tfc mercs actually, tf2 mercs still have their souls

@@StilvurBee yeah...no. in the comics medic said "it's because we don't have souls! Well they don't but i- nevermind." When refering to the TF2 Mercs.

@@aaronking2020 in my opinion, he's correcting himself because he was just on their side

grammar nazi here! It's spelt canon

@@kirbles2035 If you were a true grammar nazi, you would have put quotation marks around 'canon'.

The hazmat headcase really only looks good on the sniper if you mix it with the anger but the question is do you really want an edgy sniper? ( ͡ ° ͜ʖ ͡ ° )

@@Linkmasterson no edgy sniper no

@@Linkmasterson Makes him looks kinda like a Hunter from Destiny or Destiny 2

But they wouldn't actually need to do that. If a game goes on and on, just create something in the style of that game rather than going far from it. Or, if you really can't keep in the style of it, give up, because what's the use.

@@NikolasoGames Oh, absolutely. I would love to see that.

not even a f2p only thing, the last time I looked at siege's store page it had some halloween bullshit going on with voodoo doll bodies for the operators and I was so fucking stumped

Dota 2 is arguably worse. You can have custom hero portraits in Dota 2 now. Despite the fact that I've had 2k hours in the game (I did take a break for a couple of years and started again recently), I've had multiple games where I said "Wait who the hell is that hero supposed to be?" because they had some new outrageous cosmetic set and custom portrait.

@@CrizzyEyes Custom portraits? And the other players can see them?

The worst is when you get keyless paint crates...

@@cadsquade i learned thus the hard way, why doesn't Valve just give you a warning

And you can buy the key... You just can't use it. Now that's nasty.

kanker)))

@@eva1777 I mean i can’t open crates but still buy keys for Trading

It really was, to bad most commenters are never that civil.

#BuffClaidHeamhMor

HELL SPOON I

HELL SPOON I

_can i offer you an egg in these trying times_

People often gravely mistake the role of the aesthetic in games or any other functional piece. They are a useful and typically crucial component, without question.

Stanstub

"b-but my funny and le randumb hatz tho DD:>"

Astra wtf you have the same avatar as me, I got so spooked lmao

The only loadout of mine I'd consider to be comical is my Summer Heavy. He's got the hard counter, the aqua flops, and the graybanns. Besides that, I try to reflect my playstyle for whatever class it is.

They've ruined the original art style as soon as they added skins imo. When have you seen trained professionals carry around guns that have dragons, skulls and anime girls painted on them? That's the type of shit you expect Borderlands psychos to do and not counter terrorists.

@@yuushanaruto9676 Same for Terrorists, who are more or less the same thing. I could see Terrorists maybe having a more stylized appearance to them but not to the point it'd make them an easy target to spot.

YES! New character models suck! Like the bank robber wearing a condom on his head bombing missile crates in de_mirage. What the fuck Valve?

@@yuushanaruto9676 Yeah, imagine a goddamn police force chasing you and they stop you with m4s painted with anime girls

@@thesenate8268 its not a condom its pantyhose which makes it actually not that bad

**laughs in pink as hell painted gibus**

* laughs in Towering Titanium Pillar of Hats, Marxman and purple-painted Dangerous Duckling *

I'm the dude who's been playing since 08 but still uses stock hats and miscs. Though recently I switched from stock to the "proof of purchase" on my demo.

* laughs in engineer jag taunt *

@@eco1969 heck yeah! Jag 4ever

Waddle Derp *outside.

Denpa Dolt What a disaster!

mark, go home, you're fucking drunk.

"...stupid"

But Moonman

I remember when people were concerned about the unicorn hat... now this shit is ordinary

I guess the design of it isn't all that aPEELing. Edit: Man, the amount of likes on this reply is BANANAS! (Ok, I'm done)

the pink or a green banana looks like cancer personified

"It looks ridiculous" and that's why I love it

Eh, maybe.

>he

Pyro has no gender

@@aussieseal9979 how are we gonna talk about pyro then? With the name? That won't be good, and you can't say "it/them" since there's a difference between "no gender" and "non binary" TL;DR:peeps should call Pyro whatever they want.

@@taraktaras7327 generally, when someone is Agender, you refer to them as they/them. And pyros pronouns throughout the source material, are they/them. It's not hard

Yeah, I don't wear hats that I don't like, even if people say "oH, wELL tHaT's a HiGh TiEr hAt," I couldn't care less. For example, let's say there was this one really famous Scout main youtuber that wore the bacteria blocker, all by itself. Sounds pretty strange, right? Well, people would still wear it, regardless of how it looked, they just want people to think its that one youtuber. I just like to choose what I think looks good for me. Not that anybody cares or anything, but my favorite scout loadout (because I think it looks dope) is Greased lightning, summer shades, and dead of night. I mean it's ok if you don't like these cosmetics but I think they fit perfectly together. (sorry to any bacteria blocker fans, I just think it looks weird. UNLESS you're purposefully going for a meme, then its funny.)

I agree but I don't agree with the "You make it seem like it's that bad", the point is that the Valve team ( if it isn't actually an automated system ran by a bot anyway) is acting really stupid by even picking those items, or breaking up good sets, or literally not even caring what goes through, not even considering to add certain items because they keep picking items based off of some other reason or item creator, the items are very unbalanced too which means only one certain class keeps getting more stuff (More money), it almost feels like an insult everytime they do it, and they even DO THAT WITH MAPS. That just sucks. But yes, people generally pick out good cosmetics, but it's such a waste of money and space to have that other trash even be in a case. Ahem, the Smissmas 2021 case was a huge success, right?

What servers are you playing on because everyone does look like a fucking clown lol, like what do you mean?

Christian Brutal Sniper *GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

lol

DrIvanRadosivic I bunch of pixels that have real monetary value which means what you said means nothing

Christian Brutal Sniper ща

The Blu Spy "I believe I've been poisoned by my constituents!"

bladabladabloo Bleeheeeeeehhhhh!! Favorite scene.

OH MY GOD YOU FUNKe-ING DIDNT

at least he didnt go into dangerous territories. like for say... calling pyro garbage.

Hi

Big Smoke You chose the wrong house fool

LOL

drew1212 I agree, good job :D

drew1212 🎵 _It's not unuuuusual..._

Agreed, amazing work!

States can set their own age of consent?

Yeah hoss, in West Virginia it's like 14 or something like that

@@thebowler5506 wait wHAT

@@thebowler5506 how

@@kedarunzi9139 Fuck if I know man, but technically speaking, we're a year higher than Japan on that

I just imagine you staring at you computer screen quoting FMJ. "What is that? WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT!?"

How about "WHAT THE HE'LL IS THAT!? WHY THE HELL IS THAT!?" thanks mark

This is my Banana There are many like it but this one is mine

I had a similar reaction when they added the heavy taunt "Boiling Point". I screamed "OH MY GOD DID THEY REALLY ADD THAT AS A TAUNT!" The stupid thing is, the table tantrum and boiling point taunt are literally the same fucking thing just different pots on the table.

Valve is too busy adding banana hats, rather than fixing their broken-ass game. Seriously, people like Delfy are STILL FINDING GAME BREAKING BUGS AND GLITCHES!!!! I think by 9 years of developement, they meant designing great hats, then jerking off all over it.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't really take a genius to find out that TF2's art-style has gone down the shitter over the years.

*fights you*

i see you in every comment section are you like predicting my moves or something?

Not Your Average Skittlez Said not a die hard FUNKe fan with not-a-FUNKe-prof-picture

Boogie I DISAGREE (COUNTER ARGUEMENT)

Poor argument

TF2 lore = Incomprehensible insanity

@@Hazgoblin "The girl is here too"?

@@SharkyMcSnarkface well yes, but actually no. Srsly it has real, understandable, lore, just read the comics.

Um... What?

it's too late for that

+Jerry McGhoulberry His comment made complete sense. Are you on the drugs?

no they dont. plenty of people are pleased with the hats, whereas the weapons.... that's where valve should work on. and what do you want valve to do ? remove hats ? great idea

Matthew Champlain the main "problem" is just all class hats. items added for classes specifically are made for those classes. look at the last case. flash for scout, mario for engi. makes sense. red glasses for sniper as well as spy. makes sense. a gaz mask for pyro. makes sense.

Ye

Apologies for getting it incorrect if this is the case.

nurd lol

Bunneer It's meant to be "Between the Cold War".

I thought he said Roblox war .-. I feel embarassed. + Necroposting yay!

Dead Meme same

then play it

Star Male he says he misses enjoying it, not playing it.

Markurrito Overwatch reminded me of how much fun TF2 is, because Overwatch definately isn't fun.

Because of the fact that it was released only a year ago, in comparison with TF2. And it already has all this cosmetic bullshit thing going on. I doubt it will last long, not for ten years for sure. The game is most certainly not that fun because of its toxic community. Even in freaking arcade I frequently meet people who whine when they see a Hanzo or Widow in their team or overall complain about their team being bad. Nobody's playing for fun, they play to earn lootboxes or SR (on custom arcade servers the situation is a bit better though). In TF2 you could, for instance, snipe each other on the 2fort balcony for ages and nobody would tell you to change the class or else they would leave.

Hahhahah

Heavy didn't have enough items and now he's mad...

REEEEEEEE

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Okay, we get it.

...aesthetically, at least.

I predicted this would happen the day the community-made weapons came out, and quit the game in protest that very day. They threw down the drain everything they had been saying of how they had to carefully balance each weapon out (and that's why updates took so long). Today's TF2 is but an empty husk of what it once was.

Unrecognisable? I think that’s a bit far. For a 10 year old game the overall look has stayed the same

You do realize that VALVe decides the weapon stats themselves right?

That changes nothing, Pink. When the Jarate update came out for the Sniper, people were complaining about how each class update took excessively long to come out, and Valve replied that's because they balanced the stats for each weapon very carefully and that took a lot of time. You're gonna tell me they used to take months to balance a couple weapons before, but then magically became capable to balance dozens of weapons with the same care in a much shorter timespan?

valtroid this will get pinned because you a potato

valtroid where the fuck are you?

Valty is Salty part 2

valtroid oh hey mum

Upload more, or else this newly picked potato gets it! That's right. Upload more, or I shoot the little innocent potato. Its your choice.

A Dog yes

well, is it a jojo reference?

Well.....it is....who hurt you?

*inhales* IS THAT A JOJO'S REFERENCE!

What is Jojo?

Just play dude it's fun i have over 200 hours in 2 months

Google is watching

Did you keep playing or did the un-optimized mess that it is turn you off?

Hope your having fun with it at least

I never have an Unusual, but I did get a Specialized Killstreak Frying Pan on the Steam Market. *has Decidueye in Pokemon Moon. Just beaten game last night... or the night before...*

I noticed it as soon as it was added to the game back during the Sniper/Spy update. And it only got progressively worse as time went on.

"After 7 'What's new pussycat' s in a ROW ...Suddenly Dum ts nunum ts dum ts nunununununum It's not unusual"

Ofc a style can evolve, as it should, but how are you going to defend a banana? Some of the new cosmetics look nice, a step forward in the evolution, but how do you defend 6:57?

In my opinion, for 6:57 we have to define ''stupid''. I will concede that players do wear cosmetics that deviate from the norm however, I personally feel that cosmetics really fit the cartoon comic-book style TF2 had going for it. TF2 is a zany,crazy, not-so-serious game to me. The absurd stuff in TF2 makes it so different from other games haha. I guess you could say stupid for one person is entertaining for another. As for the Potassium Bonnett , If you look at www.teamfortress.com/tf03_cold_day_in_hell/#f=20 , the Halloweiner would be cannon to TF2 haha(although it's Halloween only). Sure some might think it kills the style but it's amazing to me that players can equip something from the comic they just seen. Of course the Potassium Bonnett it not part of the cannon and is player created, but I feel that it still kinda fits. If a hotdog is cannon, the banana is not too far off haha. I have played TF2 for 7 years. Back then we did not have trading and only a few hats. I have watched people like Shibby2142, Jerma985 , STAR_ , ikonakona , LazyPurple, FUNKe and more play TF2. It's heartwarming to see FUNKe make so many valid points with passion, keep it up!

its your opinion, so what you say is not true

momiji lily same goes for this video

I have yet to meet one that could outsmart banana hat.

RIP Bison

UnlimitedBreadWorks both are really unusable.

cleaver.

When was the last balance update? Oh yeah, almost a year ago.

hey, i really like kara no kyoukai too!

Same lol

lesser degree vehicle taunts have become absurd like the new heavy car and medic ambulance

We are talking about the game set in the 60s/70s where a group of mercenaries prior to the protagonists use equipment from the 90s.....

except for that fact that it isn't at all, yeah

⁠@candidfod8423 me when I lie

Crate opening just plays off of gambling highs in the same way that roulette does.

But the items originate from the crates, meaning that if everyone followed this logic, there would be barely any items in circulation making them expensive. Which would cause people to buy crates and sell the items inside causing the price to go down, resulting in the circulation of items we have now. You can't buy the items off the mann co. Store as they don't sell new items through there anymore, you have to open crates.

Well it's a gamble, you can easily make a profit if you get lucky. It's just lottery, you can buy items at market value or you can get the item for the price of a key and the box. Just gotta get lucky

Almost 3300 hours in game, no aussies, no unus, and literally the most unlucky player ever (Crits at spawn and third degree strangefiers for life

shit happens, we leave shit behind, we move on.

You should never go back and go play overwatch

LunarErection That’s a downgrade

Connor McGregor *Upgrade.

2007 2017 ya I think it's going to change

@The Legend of Texas Get a life

you mean we know who doesn't

@@ScruffyGamerAnimations what did he say tho

@@alicesantos9469 I don't remember

@@ScruffyGamerAnimations oh dang

No, that's absolutely not the case. There's 16 people in total

im_sorry_i_forgot_my_username There's definitely not 16 people. It was confirmed like last year that there are only 3-5 people working on TF2 at any given moment. The variation there is probably due to the people that work on TF2 full time with some people who focus on other projects who occasionally come to work on TF2.

3-5 *programmers*

Valve said in an interview that there are about 15 people and 5 of those are programmers.

Burny | Happys Edits | TF2 Hey

Scout would own a hoverboard if he could though and promptly roll it off a cliff

I get it why execution is important but execution involves that maybe that outfit or hat doesn't fit that character, It doesn't exactly need to be of that "time period" as we know that some of the stuff in TF2 lore about technology are a bit more advanced because of Australium and Australia overall. In Tf2's case, that is very important as they've established a certain type for each character, also earlier cosmetics that represent the individual well and have better stories. If I was a professional comic creator, game creator, writer, film director, I wouldn't want that shit to happen and I don't understand why someone wouldn't care. It's just a mess and it shows that the art directors are really off track for some reason. Creating a charming character or atmosphere is something they need to care about, it brings people to the game and to stay.

Apparently, funke no longer agrees with this video.

I do agree with this video, I just don't like how many people use it as evidence of a big problem when in reality a lot of these things are arbitrary and subjective problems, and people use it that way because the video frames every problem as equally bad

@FUNKe oh my..I never thought a person like you funke would comment here. I get Its not that big of a problem like the aimbot crisis. But it's just sad to see popular cosmetic creators disrespect the tf2 visuals, Desgin, and put no thought into it.

@@kingkoopa64 *this* is why I feel calling these efforts "expression" is unreasonable. Effort could be put in, and thanks to our constant lobbying sometimes it is. But if this is going to change we are going to have to be very loud, because VALVE is L A Z Y and will not enforce quality unless we make enough noise to shake the outside perception. When variety streamers that don't play TF2 but like to mention how good it is for clout, start mentioning the lack of quality control *then* we might get someone to hold responsible. Then we can finally stop all the fighting, but for now things will continue to escalate in the usual TF2 community way.

​@@FUNKe Like dude you're wrong though, these things absolutely are not arbitrary. These cosmetics are OBJECTIVELY BAD.

Conga WHAT SONG IS IT??

Sebi Blasko Light years will burn by Ozma

Thanks alot dude!have a nice day=)

Sebi Blasko any time :)

Lmao

Well it's already him vs the world so I kinda feel like there's no reason for me to pile on ya know

EngiNOPE One shudders at the thought of what would happen if that was possible...

Overwatch cosmetics are trash

yes

I have a serous problem with you calling the Nevermore, Dune Buggy, and Oasis skins trash.

TF2 does cosmetics much better than Overwatch. Cosmetics in Overwatch do not exist, they are cookie cutter skins, there is no point in wearing any of them because they are all average, they don't show your style or lack of style. "Wow, nice legendary skin, I only saw it like 90 times this week", in TF2 it doesn't happen, you never see another unique loadout.

fancy seeing you here, garth from lisa the painful.

I was too young to understand. I was just watching my favorite content creator.