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Brothers Christopher and Peter Hitchens debate the Iraq War and religion.
April 3, 2008 - Brothers Christopher and Peter Hitchens debate the Iraq War and religion at an event organized by the Hauenstein Center for Presidential Studies with support from the Center for Inquiry and the Interfaith Dialogue Association.
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@xvoperel4342
@xvoperel4342 7 лет назад
I expected to see an edited video of Christopher hitchens arguing with himself
@chrismasters1411
@chrismasters1411 5 лет назад
XVopere L he rarely changes his mind on logic and reason
@joshjohnson3347
@joshjohnson3347 5 лет назад
Im sure some schmuck has made that.
@manofqwerty
@manofqwerty 5 лет назад
I also came for this 😂
@andjunglepunkthirteen760
@andjunglepunkthirteen760 5 лет назад
@@joshjohnson3347 But if it were done truly well...
@allthatstitching
@allthatstitching 5 лет назад
XVopere L He’d still win.
@markhenry2726
@markhenry2726 Год назад
This is the first I'm learning of Peter's existence, crazy. It's wild how similar they are in their mannerisms, like body language, verbal cadence and everything. This was cool to stumble upon.
@RogueAstro85
@RogueAstro85 11 месяцев назад
Peter is kind of a weird puritan though. He seems to attract a pretty big audience of white supremacists as well
@markhenry2726
@markhenry2726 11 месяцев назад
@@RogueAstro85 interesting... Yeah like I said I wasn't aware of him before this but I'm a big fan of Christopher and was somewhat surprised by how vehemently opposed Peter was to his outlook on religion. Just wasn't expecting it from the sibling of one of the most famous modern atheists. But then of course blood relation doesn't at all necessarily entail agreement on such matters. That's a shame, they must be like polar opposites in that regard.
@lauraj8429
@lauraj8429 11 месяцев назад
Those are literally the only things they have in common, apart from being related I mean.
@waynejohnson1786
@waynejohnson1786 10 месяцев назад
They’re both insufferable scumbags but they’re very entertaining
@MysteryMeatings
@MysteryMeatings 10 месяцев назад
Christopher, for me, is a great deal more charming and engaging. Peter is a goofy prick!
@williamkoscielniak820
@williamkoscielniak820 5 лет назад
Woah! Peter's voice and mannerisms are identical to his brother.
@fps8786
@fps8786 4 года назад
Which one?
@Zachd500
@Zachd500 4 года назад
FPS Peter only had one brother.
@fps8786
@fps8786 4 года назад
@@Zachd500 twas a jest
@Zachd500
@Zachd500 4 года назад
FPS not a very good one considering he used his first name.
@fps8786
@fps8786 4 года назад
@@Zachd500 its a good joke.
@tombrown5508
@tombrown5508 Год назад
Things like this should be broadcast on TV everywhere. We are diminished by the low entertainment being force fed to us.
@gj1695
@gj1695 Год назад
So true.
@Romanplaystation
@Romanplaystation Год назад
Hmmm. I'd argue that they are more suited to a platform like RU-vid, where people that want to watch them, can do whenever they like, rather than be locked to a TV schedule to try and catch them. Your idea, whilst I'm sure comes from a good place, has a problem that you kind of allude to yourself in your last sentence. Nobody forces anybody to watch anything on TV, unless (to use one of Christopher's favourite analogies) you are in N.Korea or the like. And if people in general wanted to watch this kind of stuff on TV, then it would already be on there. Broadcasters and advertisers would make sure of that. The facts are, whether we like it or not, the vast majority of people do not want to watch this kind of thing. And if you want them to, then you would have to force them to. A televisual dictatorship, if you will. 😉
@diollinebranderson6553
@diollinebranderson6553 Год назад
It's not being force to us. We choose to watch it. What is being force to us is you forcing this. Even though I agree with you
@raz6630
@raz6630 Год назад
Christopher says just because something is untamable does not mean we should not strive for it, and in the same breath calls the golden rule evil because it's untamable. The selective logic masked by wit and a British accent is comical.
@caoilte8097
@caoilte8097 Год назад
Speak for yourself, i like ‘low entertainment’
@javiersds8081
@javiersds8081 7 лет назад
I think they must have had a great education at home since they're siblings but have completely different ideas.
@Ryattt81
@Ryattt81 10 лет назад
Tip for any person moderating a debate...always say "provocative" multiple times, and "We are here to discuss the most important question/ one of the most important questions"... finally, if you think you've used the word "provocative" enough, you haven't, say it again.
@wolfsden3
@wolfsden3 5 лет назад
Pro tip!
@justinhenry6028
@justinhenry6028 2 года назад
Christopher’s “bye now” at the end of his opening remarks gets me every time
@raimundopereira9734
@raimundopereira9734 2 года назад
The bullshit of the century? Religion I see now why you don’t pay taxes! Because you love money doing nothing..
@topdog5252
@topdog5252 Год назад
The snark!
@UnyieldingSkeptic
@UnyieldingSkeptic 10 месяцев назад
The best part of it all 😂
@dennisddd8243
@dennisddd8243 2 года назад
Hitchens is my favorite of the two. He's always spot-on. He has a way of explaining things that his brother does not. Would you not agree?
@willjackson6522
@willjackson6522 2 года назад
no
@slimturnpike
@slimturnpike Год назад
Which Hitchens?
@HOTD108_
@HOTD108_ 11 месяцев назад
​@@slimturnpikeHitchens, of course. Y'know, the one with the accent.
@samuraijosh1595
@samuraijosh1595 10 месяцев назад
@@HOTD108_ both have the accent XD
@philipd8868
@philipd8868 Месяц назад
I agree - which Hitchens? 😂
@stephenkyburz6529
@stephenkyburz6529 7 лет назад
I could only imagine those two as kids having an argument. -"Well I would like to say that this toy has been offered to me and therefore makes it mine, its perfect common sens" - " the word sharing is not god made and does not come from god dear brother, so as a rational and caring human being, and since you don't play with it, I should be able to borrow your toy"
@zer-op2gq
@zer-op2gq 4 года назад
I would like to inform you that in two minuets your ten is up and It's time for my rebuttal
@CB-ov1ho
@CB-ov1ho 2 года назад
Fanboys gonna be annoyed, but Peter has been proven correct on Iraq
@ItsSVO
@ItsSVO 2 года назад
I don’t think any reasonable person would dispute that. He’s very wrong about his belief in god though so not everyone can get it all right!
@evo5dave
@evo5dave Год назад
A stopped clock is right twice a day
@catross3713
@catross3713 Год назад
Really Peter Hitchens can sod off most of the time but Christopher Hitchens really showed his tail correcting him like that on a subject he was entirely wrong on.
@04Redeemed
@04Redeemed 9 лет назад
I agree with Hitchens on the war, but I agree with Hitchens on religion.
@e22378
@e22378 9 лет назад
+Joe Lynch LOL
@ethansutton9560
@ethansutton9560 8 лет назад
+Joe Lynch same
@petergambier
@petergambier 7 лет назад
I fully agree with you on this statement Joe.
@lubedatube
@lubedatube 7 лет назад
On the contrary... I disagree with Hitchens on the war and agree with Hitchens on religion!!
@iang1119
@iang1119 7 лет назад
No. I disagree with Hitchens on the war, but I disagree with Hitchens on religion. And at the same time agree with you.
@kylexinye1990
@kylexinye1990 4 года назад
*insert all jokes about how Hitchens definitely won*
@Saber23
@Saber23 4 года назад
Which Hitchens? I’m so confused to much brains to many Hitchens
@halalguts6331
@halalguts6331 4 года назад
Saber Oh, nice seeing you again YT algorithm... lol
@Saber23
@Saber23 4 года назад
420 blaze it oh shoot what’s up? 😂
@simon.0898
@simon.0898 4 года назад
Oh dear
@dandodman
@dandodman 3 года назад
Hey you trippin’ bro? Hitchens wiped the floor with him!
@C-Farsene_5
@C-Farsene_5 11 месяцев назад
The recent tantrum Peter had while debating with Alex O’Connor is a far cry from this legendary debator
@apolicum
@apolicum 11 месяцев назад
Sinead O'Connor?
@albi3261
@albi3261 11 месяцев назад
Alex O'Connor @@apolicum
@zaphodbeeblebrox9109
@zaphodbeeblebrox9109 11 месяцев назад
Tom O'Connor?
@zaphodbeeblebrox9109
@zaphodbeeblebrox9109 11 месяцев назад
Des O'Connor?
@Mr.Jasaw13
@Mr.Jasaw13 11 месяцев назад
Brian O'Connor?
@Zorga13
@Zorga13 4 года назад
"Mom says it's my turn to explain the truth of the universe".
@indoorgangster
@indoorgangster 4 года назад
42
@Rio-zh2wb
@Rio-zh2wb 4 года назад
lol
@wernerschimmerkowski3178
@wernerschimmerkowski3178 4 года назад
Deutsch
@Justrob34
@Justrob34 4 года назад
😂
@claymationwaves
@claymationwaves 4 года назад
@Joe Menguy you are a genius
@brianvanbeek2083
@brianvanbeek2083 11 лет назад
I think it is pretty obvious that Hitchens won...
@charlesmcdowell9436
@charlesmcdowell9436 10 лет назад
Good one, best comment on here lol.
@TheHakon98
@TheHakon98 6 лет назад
It is also obvious that he lost
@tripp8833
@tripp8833 6 лет назад
Are you deaf!? Hitchens embarrassed himself, clearly Hitchens won.
@yevgeniyzharinov7473
@yevgeniyzharinov7473 6 лет назад
First name Justin, Last name Credible
@richardbryant3168
@richardbryant3168 5 лет назад
And other Gettier beliefs
@j-dog7767
@j-dog7767 4 года назад
This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them.
@jimmynich4791
@jimmynich4791 3 года назад
Christopher is no longer with us sadly.
@j-dog7767
@j-dog7767 3 года назад
@@jimmynich4791 always two there are, a master, and an apprentice. No more no less.
@RonWylie-gk5lc
@RonWylie-gk5lc 3 года назад
And now there is only about one hundreth of them
@jerrylion45
@jerrylion45 3 года назад
@@jimmynich4791 how come?
@jimmynich4791
@jimmynich4791 3 года назад
@@jerrylion45 He died of cancer a few years ago.
@joshuastrickland5264
@joshuastrickland5264 2 года назад
This was definitely the best Hitchens debate. Not only was there twice the Hitchens, but the back and fourth was great.
@jllamb88
@jllamb88 2 года назад
I preferred the front and third.
@B90-y6n
@B90-y6n Год назад
Yeah dude, this one got so personal the heat felt like a playoff game or a wrestling pay per view. They waited their whole lives for this it seems lmao. Either way, this was Christopher’s peak in my opinion, he was just too dangerous in the 2000’s throughout his 50’s. His experience, wisdom, and eloquence is just inspiring. I don’t know if I really buy him as a philosopher, but as a journalist, a contrarian, and as an essayist he is just too splendidly dangerous. Love this man
@raz6630
@raz6630 Год назад
Christopher says just because something is untamable does not mean we should not strive for it, and in the same breath calls the golden rule evil because it's untamable. The selective logic masked by wit and a British accent is comical.
@DemstarAus
@DemstarAus Год назад
I liked the diagonal and seventh.
@SagaciousFrank
@SagaciousFrank Год назад
​@@B90-y6n , nobody who had wisdom would have liked Tony Blair then or since, let alone never renounce the invasion of Iraq.
@alexisjuillard4816
@alexisjuillard4816 5 лет назад
Only in the hichens family does the conservative brother oppose war in irak and the liberal one approve of it^^
@alexisjuillard4816
@alexisjuillard4816 5 лет назад
Dirk Knight as in?
@yehboi6646
@yehboi6646 5 лет назад
alexis Juillard ones American lol
@MarkTarmannPianoCheck_it_out
@MarkTarmannPianoCheck_it_out 4 года назад
@@yehboi6646 And so is your comment. Very American. Takes a stab at offering a thought without really making a good case for it. As a constantly embarrassed expat reading posts abroad, let me offer help. "one's" as in "one is". Not a plural of ones. A large volume of 1s. Clarity of speech. It's what Hitchens and the educated lot over there do so much better than our best could ever hope for, and our worst, like our politicians, are just fucking embarrassing to hear. Aspire to communicate clearly, and, perhaps, even, beautifully. No, you're not laughing out loud, "ARF ARF ARF". you are maybe, at most, chuckling to yourself. Spell it out man. be expansive, we have time to waste reading it. It's comments, the ultimate time waster. LOL WTF MLF . Really? Just feeling and doing and thinking and writing exactly what millions of other apparently only semi literate people are? Is that really all you gots home wipe? Pity. And by the way, no, he's not American. Not really, His kids might be, but he's a Brit living in the US, as I am an American living in Germany. 20 or 30 years of assimilation does not overpower the original programming. Jah, dass kann nicht passieren. No way dude.
@Seuntjie
@Seuntjie 4 года назад
@@MarkTarmannPianoCheck_it_out I love this comment. That is all I can say about it.
@americanmartyr9268
@americanmartyr9268 4 года назад
*I have WENT THOUGH an HOUR of TORTURE!!!!* *Had to USE 3 - ACCOUNTS!!!!* *I LEARED that I am NOT ALLOWED to TYPE OUT the EVIL & VILE WORD of=>* *A ., T., H., E., S., T., S !!!!!!* *I am soooooooooooooo WORN that I wiLL just QUIT Right HERE!!!* *BUT=>* *I WILL VOTE TRUMP & ALL RePuns Cuz of this U-Atheist-Tube WAR upon ME!!!!* *Cuz of U-Bitch-Tube's Constant WAR on TRUTH, I wiLL Vote ANY RePubLiCan, Nov.3, 2020*
@RamseyMcV
@RamseyMcV 4 года назад
This is like when me and my brother argue except the intellectualism and wit is replaced with profanities and fists.
@yomilalgro
@yomilalgro 4 года назад
Too funny 😍😍😍
@klumaverik
@klumaverik 4 года назад
Same. I bet they did when they were younger.
@terrencebrooks733
@terrencebrooks733 4 года назад
what a reply , excellent ,
@7star7storm7
@7star7storm7 4 года назад
Here's what ya do - Get him down then give him the death of 1000 pokes .. finish up with some Indiana Jones Temple of doom style ' Kali maa ' 'KALI MAAAA' .. works every time 😉✌️ 🤠
@RamseyMcV
@RamseyMcV 4 года назад
@@7star7storm7 He brings a knife, I bring a gun. He puts one of mine in the hospital, I put one of his in the morgue.
@jovian304
@jovian304 4 года назад
I thought this was like "Joe Rogan vs Roe Jogan".
@passerby4278
@passerby4278 4 года назад
Omg same here, I knew of them individually but didn’t know they were brothers !
@Technicallyimright
@Technicallyimright 4 года назад
Joe Rogan has about as Much intellect as Hitchens foreskin.
@Technicallyimright
@Technicallyimright 4 года назад
darsh ᥲn it’s self explanatory reallly. Watch any debate from hitchens vs a questionnaire by Rogan. They’re oceans apart in terms of intelligence.
@jovian304
@jovian304 4 года назад
@@Technicallyimright intellect is about reasoning and understanding not about "questionnaire". Yeah..Christopher Hitchens is far from perfect but don't underestimate/overestimate a man because of his beliefs.
@windcatcher331
@windcatcher331 4 года назад
@@Technicallyimright Thank you. I find any comparison of Joe Rogan to a public intellectual as laughable. Joe is Oprah for men.
@TheVBounce
@TheVBounce 8 лет назад
imagine family reunions at their house :)
@constantdoodle32
@constantdoodle32 5 лет назад
Hahahahah
@nv7287
@nv7287 5 лет назад
The wine runs dry but not the conversation :P
@girldi5appearing173
@girldi5appearing173 5 лет назад
Richard Seed Hi. Is his book, Hitch 22, his autobiography?
@DavidTa2
@DavidTa2 5 лет назад
I would have given anything to have sat at a dinner with these two.
@DaleTyler-rq3cr
@DaleTyler-rq3cr 5 лет назад
constantdoodle Your laughter at the fact that it is said that mother Hitchens killed herself is extremely offensive and unbelievably insensitive. Your post should be taken down unless you apologise immediately.
@ceciliaramos2280
@ceciliaramos2280 3 года назад
I would have loved to see them debate the issues of today. Can you imagine.
@gareth3566
@gareth3566 3 года назад
It’d be a very one sided conversation nowadays
@mae8861
@mae8861 3 года назад
Oh yea Trump vs Biden.... Peter is still alive I wonder if he has commented on it.
@JesusFriedChrist
@JesusFriedChrist 3 года назад
They would have nothing to debate about with each other, since Christopher would agree with Peter on all the basic liberal enlightenment principles that are being debated about and that the illiberal left wants to take away now.
@FarmingFiasco
@FarmingFiasco 3 года назад
@@JesusFriedChrist I don't know, many liberals have shifted their view of libertarianism as wrong in morals. Some liberals (not through political parties) such as Stephen Fry have debated current political correctness issues and have condemned how the left attack the right with what they think, but in the same breath they cry free speech. So I think, like Fry, Hitchens would be on the fence with it
@kraakelol
@kraakelol 3 года назад
@@FarmingFiasco If you think Christopher Hitchens would be on the fence about anything, I don't think you have read his work. If he is knowledgable about a topic, he usually has an interesting take.
@tooskepticool7675
@tooskepticool7675 5 лет назад
Their family reunion topics. Pass the potatoes vs not passing the potatoes. Begin.
@notthatbitchagain6857
@notthatbitchagain6857 5 лет назад
The debate is irrelevant when one us able to get the potatoes of their own will and abilities. ;}
@inaudiblearia8047
@inaudiblearia8047 5 лет назад
One simply cannot bring such a topic to the table so to speak. For such a controversial thing must be kept to the work at hand and simply not to the public. Just kidding, pass em
@gittin_funky
@gittin_funky 4 года назад
The question is were the potatoes created in the garden by a gardener who designed a vegetable patch, gave the potatoe life by planting a seed and giving it an environment to thrive in. Or, did they appear on the table randomly by chance and no one knows how or why they got there (since the rest of the meal is mac and cheese).
@jaspersheridan1710
@jaspersheridan1710 4 года назад
Pass the potatoes. So long as they aren't asserted by you to be contingent to the passing over my reaching for them.
@theodore8178
@theodore8178 4 года назад
Imperialist regime change war and the destabilization of the globe are hardly on par with potatoes.
@DavidBadilloMusic
@DavidBadilloMusic 4 года назад
I don't know why these two remind me of Mycroft and Shelrock.
@abdiganisugal825
@abdiganisugal825 4 года назад
Now that you said it, they do. Which do think is big bro Mycroft
@ahlishaholloway233
@ahlishaholloway233 4 года назад
@@abdiganisugal825 Christopher is Sherlock and Peter is Mycroft.
@yomilalgro
@yomilalgro 4 года назад
Yes, now that you brought it up, I totally agree!
@yomilalgro
@yomilalgro 4 года назад
@@ahlishaholloway233 yes, exactly
@yomilalgro
@yomilalgro 4 года назад
I completely agree
@downburst1
@downburst1 4 года назад
My condolences to Peter on the loss of his brother. I expect he is very proud of him and the immense contribution he made to humanity. Both brothers were very brave to undertake this debate and we are all the better for it.
@johnboylan3832
@johnboylan3832 4 года назад
@Invesigator 2 He contributed to humanity because the OP agrees with him.
@johnboylan3832
@johnboylan3832 4 года назад
@Invesigator 2 'Original poster'. I was on the phone app and it doesn't let you leave the message without discarding it - I used OP as I wasn't able to see their username.
@MadCapMag
@MadCapMag 3 года назад
Which contribution might that be?
@tsarnicholasii274
@tsarnicholasii274 3 года назад
@@MadCapMag Poorly constructed arguments and drug addiction maybe?
@sa.8208
@sa.8208 3 года назад
every comment section theres always one
@simoncordingley3122
@simoncordingley3122 Год назад
3:26 First topic - The invasion of Iraq 31:24 Second topic - God 1:09:22 Questions from the audience
@war13death
@war13death Год назад
Thank you
@rmk3155
@rmk3155 4 года назад
This is probably the most eloquent and messy debate I've ever seen.
@MadCapMag
@MadCapMag 3 года назад
Less eloquent and more loquacious.
@davidadams2395
@davidadams2395 3 года назад
Messy? Yes. Eloquent? Only in parts. Infernal whistling from Peter’s sibilant s’s? Interminably so.
@matthewglenguir7204
@matthewglenguir7204 4 месяца назад
Eh. If anything, I find it charming to see them not engage in a serious debate all the time.
@niamhoconnor8986
@niamhoconnor8986 7 лет назад
Their most striking common denominator is their respective strong characters :)
@niamhoconnor8986
@niamhoconnor8986 7 лет назад
Of course, Christopher was something special...
@thereisnosanctuary6184
@thereisnosanctuary6184 3 года назад
You're special
@niamhoconnor8986
@niamhoconnor8986 3 года назад
@@thereisnosanctuary6184 thanks
@yanmayanmay
@yanmayanmay 3 года назад
@@niamhoconnor8986 dont care 4 atheist siht, agree with august ur special though
@simon201063
@simon201063 10 лет назад
Hitchens is unbearable (no wonder Hitchens fell out with him).
@zoozoo1234ify
@zoozoo1234ify 10 лет назад
Doom is not amused.
@vapourmile
@vapourmile 10 лет назад
Clever. :-)
@TibusHeth
@TibusHeth 9 лет назад
I thought Hitchens arguments were more eloquent and informed then Hitchens was.
@vapourmile
@vapourmile 9 лет назад
TibusHeth Ha ha! Nice comment!
@Clifton100
@Clifton100 9 лет назад
A bit off topic: 1:09:03 bitch on the left is fine.
@andrewmcewan8081
@andrewmcewan8081 3 месяца назад
by the way he describes them you can tell peter hitchens has never been outside his car when he ventures into what in england are called estates and in scotland housing schemes . if he did he'd find out they are not so frightening .i lived in them most of my life and have found that if you know how to speak to people without being a dick you will be left to yourself.
@Michael.Virtus
@Michael.Virtus 6 лет назад
I don't have a problem with some people mocking Christianity. But I am disgusted by the blatant hypocrisy and double standard, when the same people are defending Islam. This is suspicious and deeply troubling.
@bulldogsbob
@bulldogsbob 6 лет назад
I'm is because Christians have no command to kill the infidel.
@ReformedThe
@ReformedThe 6 лет назад
bulldogsbob they did though. May not be plastered all over the Bible like it is in the Quran. But yes it’s in the Bible
@bryce2939
@bryce2939 5 лет назад
Absolutely you can mock and ridicule Christianity. But when you do the same to Islam you are labeled islamaphobic
@yardgoods
@yardgoods 5 лет назад
@Jimmi K While I agree with your sentiments about Islam, I wonder if you would describe yourself as a misanthrope...?
@dyschromotopia
@dyschromotopia 5 лет назад
islamophobe.....your racist, bigoted hate speech will not go unpunished.
@russellclark9399
@russellclark9399 3 года назад
1:09:10 I've never seen peter hitchens almost flamboyant! 🤣
@davebunnell1105
@davebunnell1105 3 года назад
Peter starts to quote a Kiplin poem, apparently he thought of it in advance of the debate to help his argument.. An obscure poem so forgettable Peter forgets how it goes, so he goes through his notes, then just gives up and just wings it. Chris walks to the podium and gives the full and correct quote to help Peter, who had totally messed it up. Chris just pulled it from that massive library in his head. Agree with his positions or not, the man had a memory like an elephant.
@dragons123ism
@dragons123ism 3 года назад
In Peter's defence he was quite flummoxed in this debate and has owned up to that fact.
@sreeharidamodaran82
@sreeharidamodaran82 3 года назад
Christopher Hitchens hated being called 'Chris'.
@bradyperl
@bradyperl 3 года назад
Christopher: “Christopher.”
@davebunnell1105
@davebunnell1105 3 года назад
@@sreeharidamodaran82 And why should I care? I'm not writing him a letter. Plus he is dead. So he don't care what you call him either.
@TRIPP5_Shurikens
@TRIPP5_Shurikens 3 года назад
@@davebunnell1105 It's just a small gesture of respect. No need to be stupidly hostile about it.
@andreemric5626
@andreemric5626 2 года назад
I've only just recently discovered this. It's probably one of the best debates I have ever seen.
@scobra5941
@scobra5941 3 года назад
The 'debate' between the brothers in the bar afterwards would have been even more interesting.
@teknoaija1762
@teknoaija1762 3 года назад
i don t think peter drinks.christopher does that for both of them.
@scobra5941
@scobra5941 3 года назад
@@teknoaija1762 Did... he died of cancer in 2012
@teknoaija1762
@teknoaija1762 3 года назад
@@scobra5941 he did.that type of cancer he died of is often related to heavy smoking and even heavier alcohol usage.christopher managed to quit smoking in his later years but drinking remained.he confessed in an interview that his wife called him a functioning alcoholic.johnny walker black label was his weapon of choice.
@mjh5437
@mjh5437 3 года назад
@@teknoaija1762 People who have neither smoked nor drunk die of the same Cancer every day of the week.
@teknoaija1762
@teknoaija1762 3 года назад
@@mjh5437 i m still waiting to hear your point....
@stephenrussell439
@stephenrussell439 4 года назад
Never gets old, I wish Hitch was still here to fight back the current and worsening political climate.
@johnbrowne3950
@johnbrowne3950 4 года назад
He's got more things on his mind these days.
@figandcassis
@figandcassis 4 года назад
We need him now more than ever
@johnbrowne3950
@johnbrowne3950 4 года назад
@@figandcassis Someone to believe in? A little ironic don't you think?
@uncatila
@uncatila 4 года назад
He might like earn that atheism never pays as her French revolution Chickens always come home to roost.
@uncatila
@uncatila 4 года назад
@joust strachan let's hope Hitch is watching from Purgatory where some aspiring saint is beating him with a copy of Mit Brenende Sorge
@supersaiyanzero386
@supersaiyanzero386 3 года назад
Christopher has the arguments that make me question my position on Iraq in some ways. Very free thinking man. We should all question our beliefs no matter how certain we are of them.
@ryanx3584
@ryanx3584 3 года назад
It is a point I can never be able to quite fully commit to meeting him on, but nevertheless atleast he was consistent and did not flip flop or backtrack on it, and as my grandad used to say 'If we were all the same, the world would be a boring shithole'.
@DANGER10101
@DANGER10101 3 года назад
Iraqi kurd here, they're both right i guess you can put it into four things 1- Did the regime have to go? Yes, was it vile and cruel ? Yes did it do everything chris said? Yes(also was looking to develop a nuclear program) 2- it was the right thing to do for the right reasons but ill reasons existed as well(war time presidents are popular and do get re elected, and a new land filled with oil and a new nation that the private industry can use to profit from, the military industrial complex) to name some. 3- do the means justify the ends? Yes and no, many wrongs were made in the process that never needed to happen. 4- and fourth which i think is the distinction that nobody cares about it. It's about the why and the how and afterwards. The new iraq was a weak corrupt government filled with greedy politicians popular idiots. The economy was left dead all the soldiers were fired(i think you can tell how they felt or what ex militaries do when let go(malitias).) The man you see next to bush when he gets a shoe thrown at him is nuri Maliki prime minister at the time he tried to dismantle parliament twice during his administration billions of dollars would just disappear off of the records using the office for personnel gain and for his allies. So much of the problems of todays iraq don't come from taking down Saddam and the fascist regime but how the new iraq was recreated. So many of which couldve been avoided but that takes time and money and support and dedication and simply it was much easier to give power to powerful families and tribes to rule and pretend iraq is fixed. I hope This isn't too long but it's my two cents
@danf9721
@danf9721 3 года назад
The difference between Christopher and most of the rest of us is that he took the time to read and understand the entirety of the context of things like Iraq. It's so easy to listen to a few sound bites and think you know enough to have an opinion on something.
@zachcurtis1283
@zachcurtis1283 3 года назад
While I agree with Christopher's assertions about Saddam's regime needing to go, I still have to be against the way the war played out and the aftermath, because, at least to my understanding, Iraq was not left in a very good state after, to say the least.
@mygirldarby
@mygirldarby 3 года назад
I disagreed with christopher on almost every topic, but free thinking and questioning your fundamental beliefs every so often is very important. Questioning can be scary in the short term. It's more comfortable to live on automatic pilot and remain gleefully sure of your beliefs. I have had more than a few existential crises as a result of my questioning, but in the long term it either strengthens my position, or gives me new insight and understanding into a subject. Either way, I am better off for it. Many people are taught not to question religious beliefs. Some sects discourage any questioning and make it seem like you are sinning to ask, which of course isn't true. People who have never questioned their religious/spiritual beliefs really have very little faith. They're afraid to question because they are afraid their beliefs will be broken down. And they will be, but they will be rebuilt better and stronger than ever in the long run. If the doctrine you believe in can't stand up to questions, it isn't worth believing.
@scotte628
@scotte628 8 месяцев назад
The exchange about Kipling, wow. Peter selected a quote for the debate then messed it all up and Christopher recited it from memory. What an amazing mind. We need him back desperately.
@Anonymous-bk7fn
@Anonymous-bk7fn 3 года назад
I would love to have been a fly on the wall at that family's holiday dinner table.
@mrugod
@mrugod 3 года назад
Peter's S's are sending all my neighborhood's dogs into a barking frenzy.
@MrsFJohnson
@MrsFJohnson 3 года назад
As soon as I read your comment I started hearing it. Thank you!
@JasonCodreanu
@JasonCodreanu 3 года назад
There should have been a de-esser on the mixing board. When he says "circumcision" it's really bad.
@MadCapMag
@MadCapMag 3 года назад
How clever. Would you like to say something original now?
@mrugod
@mrugod 3 года назад
@@MadCapMag Show me the plagiarism?
@TheJonnyEnglish
@TheJonnyEnglish 3 года назад
That’s awesome I’m outside too
@TheJapanChannelDcom
@TheJapanChannelDcom 8 месяцев назад
Two brilliant men. But only one believes in the magic invisible man in the sky. 😀 Peter showed some arrogance and ignorance with his "Atheists borrow morality from believers" BS. People don't need an invisible man in the sky to do good things and not do bad things.
@rjones6801
@rjones6801 9 лет назад
I've watched dozens of debates with Christopher Hitchens, and this is my absolute favorite because it is so personal for both of them. They're entertained by each others' jabs, and the chemistry is perfect. Some debates get my blood boiling. This one is different. Despite the differing opinions, you can sense a mutual respect and even camaraderie between the two.
@DuskAndHerEmbrace13
@DuskAndHerEmbrace13 5 лет назад
Peter always said while they arrived at different destinations, they always had the same dis-likes, which mainly was phoniness.
@JustMe-uc1lt
@JustMe-uc1lt 5 лет назад
Richard Jones peter said in an interview some time ago, that this debate was a miserable experience for him. He felt that he was in an auditorium of people who worshipped Christopher and, as you’ll have noticed, he’ was relatively unengaged and became more so as the debate proceeded. They did another debate, which he enjoyed much more, but I’m not sure if it’s on RU-vid. I am awfully fond of Christopher Hitchens, but there are times when he is painfully obnoxious. An attitude is not an argument.
@joshjohnson3347
@joshjohnson3347 5 лет назад
Its like the debate version of the movie Warrior (or Brothers?) with Joel Edgerton and Tom Hardy
@mathieuklerckx836
@mathieuklerckx836 5 лет назад
they truly hated each other
@joshjohnson3347
@joshjohnson3347 5 лет назад
Yeah you could just feel the romantic tension between the both of them.
@space14605
@space14605 4 года назад
This was almost 10 years ago and i still really enjoyed that!
@thunderridge4830
@thunderridge4830 3 года назад
April 3, 2008 is date of debate. Published here in 2011.
@hazelwray5307
@hazelwray5307 3 года назад
'That'? ... enjoyed it
@Lawful_Rebel
@Lawful_Rebel 3 года назад
Ten years is nothing, go back further, the debates are majestic by comparison.
@jamesdettmann94
@jamesdettmann94 3 года назад
Well you're not going to find a Christopher Hitchens debate from much less than 10 years ago
@space14605
@space14605 Год назад
@@Lawful_Rebel I have and I agree with u
@audreysimmonds4873
@audreysimmonds4873 Год назад
What a fantastic privilege to see the 2 brothers . debate..... Respect to Both.... They both share a common sense and advocates of oratory Excellence even though on different sides of the debate. . RIP christopher... you gave much to our world...
@ryanwhitaker4444
@ryanwhitaker4444 10 лет назад
Slightly different face, identical mannerisms.
@joshjohnson3347
@joshjohnson3347 5 лет назад
Both have beautiful voices.
@MyMaitetxu
@MyMaitetxu 5 лет назад
Christopher is prettier, has more brains and charisma, more passion and sense of humor....
@americanmartyr9268
@americanmartyr9268 5 лет назад
*I Agree with God-Hating Christ Hitch on the Irak War!!!!* *I am OPPosed to Peter Eater Hitch, on BOTH Counts!!!!* *I (an Agnostic BeLiever in JeHoVah GOD) would Prefer NO GOD* *rather than the DeMonic EVIL VILE PeterEater god of the PeterEater!* *Robert Robertson; Center street; SaLem, Oregon* 🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫 🔫 🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫🔫 🔫🔫
@Draezeth
@Draezeth 5 лет назад
And diametrically opposed conclusions.
@kontoculai6301
@kontoculai6301 4 года назад
@@americanmartyr9268 what did Peter's God do to you
@ZhangK71
@ZhangK71 3 года назад
At first when I read the video title my first thought was, “They had this type of meme all the way back in 2008?”
@bedswerver69
@bedswerver69 3 года назад
Hitchens for the win!
@Sharetheroad3333
@Sharetheroad3333 2 года назад
When the person in the audience asked about dinosaurs - Peter knows exactly what he’s asking. This is the disingenuous nature of Peter. Playing dumb is extraordinarily lame and ventures into gas lighting. Not to mention he is misrepresenting and straw manning. What a clown.
@hudsonchalmers6504
@hudsonchalmers6504 3 года назад
I was brought up by a Father who was an atheist, a fine man of immense moral attituded without being punitive. A n incredibly kind yet firm man, who said we "each of us make our own spiritual way" because he had no right to impose , but had the right to give us his opinion for us to consider. What a man.
@vitorroque6298
@vitorroque6298 3 года назад
No actual moral value because atheists don't believe in moral absolutes.
@Osnosis
@Osnosis 3 года назад
@@vitorroque6298 Just very few; we don't care about homosexuality, fish on Friday, cheeseburgers, forced circumcision, etc.
@fionagregory9376
@fionagregory9376 3 года назад
@@Firstmiddlelastfml atheists know instinctively right from wrong, as most 6 year olds do.
@fionagregory9376
@fionagregory9376 3 года назад
@@Firstmiddlelastfml me too.
@rafgaming709
@rafgaming709 3 года назад
@@vitorroque6298 Every moral imperative is theoretically absolute, I.e. categorical. If an imperative is not categorical, and it is hypothetical, then it is not strong enough to be moral. According to the principle of universalizability the ethical person has as an ultimate ethic value the one which at the same time he can wish it is a universal law. This is regardless of religion. Of course this model is too simplistic because we haven't axiomatized reasoning and morality. That said, being absolute is rarely a good choice I'm everyday situations, yet it is something religious people tend to do all the time.
@fairwitness7473
@fairwitness7473 4 года назад
I came to the party late and I regret missing Christopher Hitchins live, but I am grateful for so many debates that continue to be posted after his very sad death.
@Saber23
@Saber23 3 года назад
So you regret missing him lie and waffle live? Why would you regret that?
@poolie6662
@poolie6662 3 года назад
@@Saber23 what lies exactly? Just curious
@Sydafexx7
@Sydafexx7 3 года назад
@@Saber23 what an embarrassing response. The man put his money where his mouth was when it came to helping people, and he didn’t need the promise of everlasting life. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself, coward.
@dominickjackson5614
@dominickjackson5614 3 года назад
@@Sydafexx7 🧟‍♂️
@estefania517
@estefania517 3 года назад
Same
@danieloriordan5159
@danieloriordan5159 5 лет назад
Niles and Frasier have come a long way
@go2uabahometherapy577
@go2uabahometherapy577 5 лет назад
I had the same Frasier-Niles comparison in my head but see that you beat me to this video and awesome observation. Rats!!! lol
@ivancarlson953
@ivancarlson953 5 лет назад
Martin keeps them in line
@friendlyfire7509
@friendlyfire7509 5 лет назад
This..
@SequenceKomplete
@SequenceKomplete 4 года назад
Except, Niles was actually quite clever...
@violetk4948
@violetk4948 Год назад
Christopher is smart but Peter is wise. At one point Peter said that he feared what society would look like if Christianity continues to disappear. ....14 years later ... Peter was right.
@damienschwass9354
@damienschwass9354 Год назад
Oh please, as if the worlds problems stem from a decrease in Christianity. If that’s your claim, and it’s at least implied, then I’d like to know how you demonstrate it’s truth.
@philipd8868
@philipd8868 Месяц назад
Agreed - Like Dawkins who spent his life trying to destroy Christianity, then when he began to see success began to row back saying society needed Christianity.
@jeffreyreeves5524
@jeffreyreeves5524 4 года назад
Two intellectual heavyweights. Sad Christopher is no longer with us. I often wonder what he would make of these crazy times.
@boliussa
@boliussa 3 года назад
+Jeffrey it's pretty obvious. you think he'd be happy about wearing a mask
@jeffreyreeves5524
@jeffreyreeves5524 3 года назад
@@boliussa lol. No definitely not. I do enjoy listening to Peter Hitchens on talk radio on a Monday. Not quite the same I know but a voice of reason nonetheless.
@boliussa
@boliussa 3 года назад
@@jeffreyreeves5524 you probably just like the pomposity
@patrickkkpakerr6442
@patrickkkpakerr6442 3 года назад
His world is pretty much here now .
@LordJasonKing
@LordJasonKing 3 года назад
He's in the afterlife laughing his bollox off😂😂
@claytonweaver2684
@claytonweaver2684 5 лет назад
when i first saw this thumbnail i thought it was one of those meme videos like where jordan peterson argues with himself
@josephsack4918
@josephsack4918 4 года назад
Lol
@KinKnives
@KinKnives 3 года назад
I can't stop looking at how the line in the top of the chair, lines up perfectly with the wall tile grout line.
@bruvvamoff
@bruvvamoff 3 года назад
Thanks, now I can't unsee it
@keithstevens1453
@keithstevens1453 3 года назад
Do you reckon it was planned
@malcolmfew4162
@malcolmfew4162 3 года назад
Reletively speaking, if the camera was higher or lower, they wouldn't.
@halcyondays8622
@halcyondays8622 3 года назад
Incredible.
@teloxy6579
@teloxy6579 3 года назад
OCD?
@jamesroos-witham159
@jamesroos-witham159 Год назад
Such fantastic orators, so glad these moments were recorded forever!
@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384
Amen. The level and quality of the discourse of this generation of "public intellectuals" was so much higher than what we have today.
@furiousinsects6386
@furiousinsects6386 Год назад
not forever, as Christopher said, in 5 billion years a big crush is inevetable with Andromeda Galaxy :D
@tonyklymson8096
@tonyklymson8096 Год назад
I was hoping to see Christopher debate himself and punch himself in the face when it got heated up .
@raz6630
@raz6630 Год назад
Christopher says just because something is untamable does not mean we should not strive for it, and in the same breath calls the golden rule evil because it's untamable. The selective logic masked by wit and a British accent is comical.
@gertstronkhorst2343
@gertstronkhorst2343 11 месяцев назад
Yes, the sophistry is through the roof.
@rmz4504
@rmz4504 5 лет назад
Who's doing the hitchslaping here? lol
@Nelster
@Nelster 5 лет назад
Obviously, Hitchens is.
@SequenceKomplete
@SequenceKomplete 4 года назад
Well unless you consider grabbing your papers and turning away like a drama queen a hitchslap, I’d say definitely Christopher.... Not even a contest!
@jordanjordan9022
@jordanjordan9022 4 года назад
Oh look, it's Frasier and Niles...without the laughs.
@Anicius_
@Anicius_ 3 года назад
This was one of those debates I didn't wish to end
@noneinparticular2338
@noneinparticular2338 Год назад
Timeless glorious conversation , praise to both for being free to talk, honest and civilized to discuss human issues with decorum and dignity. 10 out of 10..Cicero and Demosthenes would have been proud of their oratorial skills.
@Themangodblessed
@Themangodblessed Год назад
Pretentious much, bud
@jodawgsup
@jodawgsup 11 месяцев назад
are you slow or what?
@deeprollingriver5820
@deeprollingriver5820 5 лет назад
I imagine that Christopher annoyed and taunted his little brother when growing up. Peter is obviously fed up with his big brother.
@wynwilliams6977
@wynwilliams6977 4 года назад
Jealous of him anyway, it isn't hard to see which brother got all the brains :D
@wynwilliams6977
@wynwilliams6977 4 года назад
@Tut J'wandian by far what? Did you even listen to his babble? :D name one valid he made that in anyway aided the debate and isn't just spewing fallacies, just one
@wynwilliams6977
@wynwilliams6977 4 года назад
@Tut J'wandian still waiting for you to mention one valid point he made that wasn't babble or a fallacy
@wynwilliams6977
@wynwilliams6977 4 года назад
@Tut J'wandian I must first do nothing :) but OK, argument from ignorance, now go ahead should be easy after all according to you everything he said demonstrates what a superior intelligence he has so, I'm waiting or are you going to carry on delaying
@hurdur6828
@hurdur6828 4 года назад
Wyn Williams Pretty sure you haven’t heard the philosophical proofs for the existence of God such as: The 5 Cosmological Arguments, Aristotellian act & potency, the impossibility of infinite regress. The most common is “Who made God!?!? CHECK MATE!!! ATHEIST 1-0” It’s the most foolish objection and the most ignorant objection against Classical Theism, it’s self-evident that the objection is invalid. “The Universe is infinite! Checkmate!” Infinite regress is actually impossible according to the premises of how infinite regress isn’t possible. *Members are dependent on other members, continue this to infinity, no member is in and of itself of that property, therefore X didn’t happen.*** “The Universe is a necessary being!” This simply isn’t the case because in order for something to not be contingent, it must be eternal, must be immutable, unchanging, uncaused.
@kolnman3582
@kolnman3582 3 года назад
You can see by Peter Hitchens reaction to part of Christopher's dialogue the deep admiration he has for his brother. Although they have different opinions on many things this debate was a meeting of great minds.
@teknoaija1762
@teknoaija1762 3 года назад
yes,i saw that too.he smiles and laughs in all the right moments so i think they share same sense of humor.
@bernardtassart7225
@bernardtassart7225 2 года назад
Very well pointed out, I had the very same emotion when I watched Peter watch his brother, priceless and a great admiration indeed!!!👌
@GoldenWolf115
@GoldenWolf115 2 года назад
Peter was once an atheist as well, so it could be him laughing because its what he would have said in the past. But, it's likely some combination of that and what you suggested.
@kingbyrd.1512
@kingbyrd.1512 5 лет назад
Solid Hitch Vs Liquid Hitch
@bclaytz
@bclaytz 4 года назад
LOL
@mv8533
@mv8533 4 года назад
Comment of the comment's section.
@govindsethunath1164
@govindsethunath1164 4 года назад
Hahahahah
@nathanio103
@nathanio103 3 года назад
This will always go horribly underrated!
@francisdaly1757
@francisdaly1757 18 дней назад
Les Enfants Terribles
@craiggz
@craiggz Год назад
This debate is still legendary today
@primovid
@primovid 3 года назад
The liberation of Iraq "will stand, I am convinced, as one of the greatest decisions of American statecraft". Today, I think we now know who won the debate
@Mahtlahtli
@Mahtlahtli 9 лет назад
It was a very close debate, but I think Hitchens won.
@americanmartyr9268
@americanmartyr9268 5 лет назад
*That has been said, a 1,000 Times Already You Idiot!!!!*
@geekypleer1202
@geekypleer1202 4 года назад
I don't think it was close at all
@Lord_Thistlewick_Flanders
@Lord_Thistlewick_Flanders 4 года назад
@@geekypleer1202 So you really think hitchens won??
@geekypleer1202
@geekypleer1202 4 года назад
@@Lord_Thistlewick_Flanders Huh, no. I think Hitchens had a weak point on every topic that was brought up. Hitchens, however, provided impressive insights that I found to be profoundly useful.
@design7054
@design7054 Год назад
Christopher at his most spiteful and childish. Very poor showing.
@Technicallyimright
@Technicallyimright 4 года назад
Both of these men are great because they at least argue their point and attempt to educate their audience so they can make a decision. It’s a much more elegant way of persuasion vs the current climate of emotion and rage.
@snowtime5500
@snowtime5500 8 лет назад
14:23 Lol I've never seen him search a word like that :P
@vladimirsukmeovf1211
@vladimirsukmeovf1211 8 лет назад
14:27 he almost chokes on that word :)
@TheKitchenRat
@TheKitchenRat 4 года назад
He knew his brother would correct him when he got it wrong
@ernestscuttle9139
@ernestscuttle9139 3 года назад
I miss hearing Hitchens’ voice.
@HeardFromMeFirst
@HeardFromMeFirst 3 года назад
Lucky we have RU-vid.
@gman4074
@gman4074 3 года назад
He knows the Truth now. So much empty rhetoric. Delusional tryna say communism and bolveshik were religious. Dude never has any answer just bitches all the time.
@Life_Of_Mine_
@Life_Of_Mine_ 3 года назад
@@gman4074 and the 'Truth' is what?
@donsknots6510
@donsknots6510 3 года назад
I miss the depth and necessity of him. Whether I agree with him or not...
@genesis204
@genesis204 3 года назад
He’s still around the good one that is
@Jiminimonka
@Jiminimonka Год назад
Proof that a posh accent and the ability to speak well does not make you intelligent - Peter Hitchens.
@duncefunce1513
@duncefunce1513 4 года назад
My God, how people change. The older I get, the more Christopher Hitchens seems like a showboat to me. Naturally his more thoughtful and humble, and less glib, brother gets none of the adulation he got. I'm not a religious man, btw
@Alex-mj5dv
@Alex-mj5dv 2 месяца назад
I agree also - as I’ve gotten older. Also an atheist and would agree with Hitch (C) on that position. I think he went to America as he knew his career would be able to handle a little more flashy showboating and they’d find the accent charming. He’d stand out more. It worked.
@duncefunce1513
@duncefunce1513 2 месяца назад
I've changed my mind back
@isobelkenny7822
@isobelkenny7822 3 года назад
I'm sorry but Peter's flamboyant turn clutching his papers at 52:28 is way too funny
@MadCapMag
@MadCapMag 3 года назад
It was a very good retort though. Far sharper than any of the drivel his brother produced the whole evening.
@aurun1015
@aurun1015 2 года назад
Christopher would be so disappointed by how Iraq and Afghanistan was handled and left to their own devices. The betrayal our governments committed to those people is unforgivable.
@PaperGrape
@PaperGrape Год назад
Wow. So bold by Peter. He literally refused to debate it with Christopher. He plainly called him out on the circular argument he ever used. The refusal to identify human evil and depravity is a very sad fault that is ultimately willful blindness.
@bobman929
@bobman929 3 года назад
"Since travelling to other countries". One of the best point peter made about Iraq. Anyone making a statement about war who haven't experienced it is weakened.
@evancawley3236
@evancawley3236 2 года назад
Crazy how two very smart brothers can come to so widely different ideas on god. I say family get togethers were fun at the dinner table 😂
@customersupportdeer6150
@customersupportdeer6150 3 года назад
Hmmm, though I agree with everything Christopher says to criticize religion, Peter also has a point about a decline in manners... though I believe that is not only due to a lack of religious uprlbringing and values. I think it has a lot to do with the modern world overall, uncivil media, shitty upbringing by stuck up parents and no social education in schools.
@customersupportdeer6150
@customersupportdeer6150 3 года назад
@@MadCapMag What contradiction are you talking about? I must be blind...
@CamEron-nj5qy
@CamEron-nj5qy 3 года назад
@@MadCapMag I do not see it either
@peaceandlove1255
@peaceandlove1255 3 года назад
@@customersupportdeer6150 Not at all to be condescending to you or to suggest you haven’t already done your reading (I imagine most people watching Hitchens v Hitchens debates do), but may I suggest peeping a little more into some theology? You may be surprised at the quality of arguments between theists and atheists- it’s never as clear cut as either side makes it out to be imo.
@ahuviatah2866
@ahuviatah2866 3 года назад
That happens when you banned Bible out of schools and institutions and start to teach younger generations stupid things so you can adoctrinate them.
@Alexis-b17
@Alexis-b17 3 года назад
@Customer Support Deer, it is selfishness with evil entwined in the heart, it is SIN !!
@craig3111
@craig3111 2 года назад
I’ve watched Christopher for years but had no idea of his brother. Crazy to think there were two of these fellows. Giants in the intellectual world.
@feonor26
@feonor26 2 года назад
His brother doesn't even reach his ankles.
@stizzylank6684
@stizzylank6684 2 года назад
One giant. One much smaller much less impressive imp standing in that giant's shadow
@chriswilliamson7694
@chriswilliamson7694 2 года назад
@@stizzylank6684 , you Christopher groupies are so embarrassing.
@justin10292000
@justin10292000 2 года назад
Christopher Hitchens an INTELLECTUAL? He was merely an entertainer and obfuscator, about as deep as a mud puddle.
@themudpit621
@themudpit621 2 года назад
that's how the class structure works in the UK. Those from the "well to do" families rise very easily. Independent schools, followed by Oxford, followed by a lauded career. Not so easy for the rest of the population.
@higherho1540
@higherho1540 3 года назад
I laughed so hard after the statement Peter made starting at 45:01 and people clapped for it, then Christopher was shocked and told them to stop that. Lol. I miss Christopher.
@Talia.777
@Talia.777 2 года назад
😂😂🤣
@paulfroelich1024
@paulfroelich1024 Год назад
It's so funny.
@Robhalifax
@Robhalifax 6 лет назад
Christopher had the advantage of having much of the audience behind him from the start, and the advantage of his charisma. In these circumstances Peter can't win.
@landonschertz2325
@landonschertz2325 4 года назад
SepticSceptic Based on the applause and questions from the audience, I don't agree with this at all
@chookvalve
@chookvalve 4 года назад
Well he’s dead now
@johnbrowne3950
@johnbrowne3950 4 года назад
@@2003Rooney More like worship.
@Jw-un8oh
@Jw-un8oh 4 года назад
@@2003Rooney LOL nice wording. Idolize huh. We resepct and admire him. Idols exists in your fairy tale. Unless you mean the second definition if idol which is respect, admiration and revered. And that is true. Be careful with your wording.
@zeagias
@zeagias 4 года назад
@@Jw-un8oh "We"? Speaking as a collective? Be careful with your wording. Lmao like if the former part of your statement wasn't supposed to be a setup for the fairy-tail jab... You arent smart, you're just a loser
@Tristan_again
@Tristan_again 3 года назад
On Iraq, the more eloquent Chris Hitchens gets, the more spectacularly wrong he is.
@teknoaija1762
@teknoaija1762 3 года назад
he hated being called Chris.Eloquence and eloquent is an adjective and so is spectacular. I presume you refer to informational content about Iraq, so how does eloquence and the amount of it affect info content in a spectacular way? I find your comment pretentious and empty.
@genericname121
@genericname121 3 года назад
@@teknoaija1762 curb your animosity, then learn how to read.
@teknoaija1762
@teknoaija1762 3 года назад
@@genericname121 i don t think i showed any animosity in my comment?i took his comment seriously.i do get what he is after though.words like eloquent and spectacular describe hitchens very well but in this instance he is talking about politics in a very volatile situation.
@genericname121
@genericname121 3 года назад
@@teknoaija1762 ok, I will assume English is your second language and offer you some help. He was making a joke, simply saying that, when Hitchens speaks on the topic of Iraq, he becomes more eloquent while also being more spectacularly wrong. He wasn’t calling Hitchens spectacular, in this regard. Rather, pointing out a correlative relationship between his eloquence and incorrectness. It is an opinion, and a joke, but I think you missed the point of the comment entirely. Sorry for the rudeness.
@momomatte
@momomatte 3 года назад
@@genericname121 is this the sophisticated bullying side of RU-vid?
@degaulle30
@degaulle30 11 месяцев назад
I respect Peter Hitchens' command of language, agree with some of his opinions, and frequently enjoy videos with him in, but wow does this one illustrate his dearth of intellectual ability. He is utterly unable to consider other points of view. He carries such an unsurprisingly religious moral absolutism that I think if I were confronted with his being elevated to a position of supreme power in my country I would flee immediately. It would be a theocratic Stalinist state, with his whingeing, hypocritical, uneven but loudly, aggressively declared personal naivety as our constitution. He was rightly mocked for declaring 2008 Britain to be a form of Hell without his treasured priests in charge. He still makes such dumb pronouncements
@marcosazzi7788
@marcosazzi7788 9 месяцев назад
Just admit it bro you don't like him because of his Christian view of the world or "religious moral absolutism". You do know the USA is founded on Chrisitanity.
@schubert6142
@schubert6142 4 года назад
Everyone who says “I’m sure they argued like this growing up” forgets that Peter was a Marxist when he was young
@jockmcfrog3747
@jockmcfrog3747 4 года назад
Or perhaps just listened to Peter in his introduction.
@phillipjohnson209
@phillipjohnson209 4 года назад
@@jockmcfrog3747 i think they both were.
@jockmcfrog3747
@jockmcfrog3747 4 года назад
@@phillipjohnson209 self confessed.
@rnw2739
@rnw2739 4 года назад
Its usual to dismiss fairy tales when you enter adulthood.
@adswers6900
@adswers6900 4 года назад
@@rnw2739 sure... thatswhy most of the people of the earth are still religious ....
@thomasmills339
@thomasmills339 4 года назад
Iraq should have been left alone full stop. Its worse now than ever.
@stevebrown4900
@stevebrown4900 4 года назад
You say that because you're ignorant. Saddam was no different to Hitler, except in scale - and less Iraqis have died per year since his departure, than before it. There should be no place on Earth for filth like Saddam - just how do you argue otherwise?
@bridgenorton537
@bridgenorton537 4 года назад
Steve Brown Britain had been screwing with Iraq since the 40s to keep their oil supply good. Iranian revolution in the 80s caused directly by the US and Britain again out of their desire to acquire nature resources from the Middle East, pretty much created the environment for Iraq to invade Iran. Pretty much the west tried to dominate the Middle East and keep them weak whilst stealing their resources until their was massive backlash. Yes I agree Saddam is a P.O.S but US/UK helped created him and the hostility in the Middle East.
@stevebrown4900
@stevebrown4900 4 года назад
@@bridgenorton537 Are you a left wing moron? The revolution was caused by Islamists - the vilest ideology on Earth after Leftism. You have a Left Wing view of reality - ie complete fantasy. You've not addressed anything I said about Saddam. All you've done is try to blame the west for it. Pathetic.
@stevebrown4900
@stevebrown4900 4 года назад
@Dear dad You're thicker than crude oil. He gassed 180, 000 Kurds that were his people. He tortured and killed many thousands more. You live in a fantasy land of ignorance.
@squarerootof2
@squarerootof2 4 года назад
@@stevebrown4900 Thick as a brick. Even worse than a Marxist and probably even more brainwashed.
@adombovic
@adombovic 4 года назад
omg, a Hitchens debate I haven't seen! *grabs popcorn*
@C-on
@C-on 11 месяцев назад
1:54:50 that is so unbelievably rude!!!!
@rjg7112
@rjg7112 3 года назад
Interesting episode of "Family Feud".
@microbiologeest
@microbiologeest 3 года назад
I'm wheezing HAHAHAHA
@lesleywilcocks1254
@lesleywilcocks1254 2 года назад
A tragedy we no longer have this very intelligent man Christopher Hitchens.
@jamesmangold7563
@jamesmangold7563 3 месяца назад
But intelligence employed for evil, debauchery, nihilism and just plain meaness...that l'd rather be without.
@philipd8868
@philipd8868 2 месяца назад
@@jamesmangold7563 Agreed - thank you for the clarity
@H0n3yMonstah
@H0n3yMonstah 3 года назад
Surprised to find myself agreeing with Peter hitchens on something, namely that the war in Iraq was a monumentally stupid (not to mention illegal) undertaking.
@MarcioSouza1
@MarcioSouza1 11 месяцев назад
17:45 Love Hitchens but his prediction that Americans would be very proud of what they’ve done in Iraq, despite criticism at that time, was dead wrong.
@lalouloune6156
@lalouloune6156 Месяц назад
It's ok. He is still human and can't be right on everything. He was still very eloquent and courageous.
@heatherlewis9951
@heatherlewis9951 5 лет назад
An awesome time capsule already.
@ktkee7161
@ktkee7161 4 года назад
Yet still completely relevant.
@noahpage7459
@noahpage7459 3 года назад
“My question is for Doctor Hitchens..” “Professor.” **next question** “My question is for Professor Hitchens..” “Doctor.” 🤣🤣🤣 I hope most people in the crowd got that
@moonlightray8493
@moonlightray8493 11 месяцев назад
I'm disappointed by the lack of witty audience members who should've followed up by addressing him as "Doctor Professor Mister Christopher Hitchens", lol
@davelister2961
@davelister2961 11 месяцев назад
Hitchens the contrarian. Who'd have thought it?
@TheKalashnik47
@TheKalashnik47 8 месяцев назад
​@@moonlightray8493Professor Doctor*
@trolareca
@trolareca 2 года назад
I feel for their parents. It must have been hard to see their two only sons arguing all the time.
@KarensOpinionsMayDiffer
@KarensOpinionsMayDiffer Год назад
I have a feeling they were very proud of both of their brilliant sons.
@AbsolveAsGaad
@AbsolveAsGaad Год назад
Probably were not arguing all the time
@paulhowsurridge2391
@paulhowsurridge2391 Год назад
I have only come to this 11 years after it took place, that said, the subject of debate and the arguments put forward are just as relevant today.
@MrInsaneCranium
@MrInsaneCranium 5 лет назад
I love it that both brothers are on equal footing with different ideals. Both make very fantastic good points!
@joeharley3814
@joeharley3814 4 года назад
To b completely honest. Ch does employ cheap tricks. Best line I've heard in long time " luxury atheist".
@chrisdeep8417
@chrisdeep8417 4 года назад
Sadly atheists think God is Zeus. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PH6dKc-mQBE.html 14:00-20:00
@Anthony-hu3rj
@Anthony-hu3rj 4 года назад
That video is an hour long. Where does he say atheists think God is Zues?
@ktkee7161
@ktkee7161 4 года назад
@Jake Sangria I first heard of luxury communism from Ash Sarkar and the Novomedia numpties. Didn't realise it was an actual thing.
@vincep1c156
@vincep1c156 4 года назад
I’m not sure you’re being completely honest.
@TetsuoNL
@TetsuoNL 4 года назад
@@chrisdeep8417 So your opinion on how atheists view God comes from a Christian ? Yeah your source of information seems legit. Must be easy to let other people do the thinking for you.
@robcousins231
@robcousins231 2 года назад
Peter spoke about this years after and said he hated it. he was under the impression he'd be attending a casual, small attended debate and he was looking forward to it. He was shocked to see the crowd and how many were Christopher fanboys.
@MikkoVille
@MikkoVille 2 года назад
He was probably just disappointed to realize that his dumb and tired religious apologism and science denialism doesn't generate as many ardent fanboys as his brother's sharp intellectualism.
@tomben6180
@tomben6180 Год назад
@@MikkoVille You obviously know absolutely nothing about the man. He’s very much used to being on the outside of the mainstream and revels in it, in fact he excels when he’s up against it.
@MikkoVille
@MikkoVille Год назад
@@tomben6180 Sorry, fan boy. His tired ol' religious apologism failed. He's a failure.
@tomben6180
@tomben6180 Год назад
@@MikkoVille I’m pretty sure it’s Peter’s brother that only has “fanboys”. I actually disagree with a lot of things he says but you mischaracterise him and I’m pulling that up. What’s your problem with his religious beliefs? He isn’t out trying to convert people, he isn’t a mouthpiece or recruiter for the Church of England. He just answers questions on it when asked and states his position. What is your problem with that exactly?
@tomben6180
@tomben6180 Год назад
@@wack8697 What “incorrect beliefs” does Peter profit them spreading then? I cannot wait to hear this.
@christianshaw9102
@christianshaw9102 8 месяцев назад
Hitchens got wrecked
@patcomerford5596
@patcomerford5596 Год назад
To just see and hear the two brothers in debate is a wonderful intellectual pleasure.
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