DEBATE: 'Sunni' Boldly Challenges Shia on Umar Attacking Fatima 

We will give our lives a thousand times for our Master Imam Ali a.s. for the Ahlul bayt a.s. Ya Haydari!

I'm a shia, but to be fair he didn't call imam Ali a coward, he said that the hadith portays him as such. And his conclusion is misplaced since he doesn't understand a crucial thing. His question was, why didn't imam Ali as answer the door and let fatima as answer the door instead. The answer to that is: it was fatimas as role to answer the door and sacrifice herself for Islam just like imam Hussein as sacrificied himself Islam.

@@alial-fatlawi5565 that’s the dumbest thing I ever heard the “sword of Allah” let someone kill his wife infornt of him and did nothing even I a normal Muslim will lunge and sacrifice myself for my wife and fight till the death lol you shia truly be little Ali ra and he is free form you

Yes we love Imam ali

lets it be known, no Muslim, sunni or shia, believe that Hazrat Ali was a coward

Sunnis reject the whole incident in the first place

@@mesutozil7903 Proof Evidence No 1 Narrated Muhammad bin Bashir from Ubaidllah bin Umar from Zaid bin Aslam that his father Aslam said: ‘When the homage (baya) went to Abu Bakr after the Messenger of Allah, Ali and Zubair were entering into the house of Fatima to consult her and revise their issue, so when Umar came to know about that, he went to Fatima and said : ‘Oh daughter of Messenger of Allah, no one is dearest to us more than your father and no one dearest to us after your father than you, I swear by Allah, if these people gathered in your house then nothing will prevent me from giving order to burn the house and those who are inside." Ref: Musnaf of Imam Ibn Abi Shebah, volume 7, page 432, tradition 37045. All the narrators are authentic as they are the narrators of Sahih Bukhari & Sahih Muslim. Muhammad bin Bashir: Imam Al-Dhahabi said: ‘Thabt’ (Al-Kaashif, v2 p159), Imam Ibn Hajar Asqalani said: ‘Thiqa’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v2 p58). Ubaidllah bin Umar: Al-Dhahabi said: ‘Thabt’ (Al-Kaashif, v1 p685), Ibn Hajar Asqalani said: ‘Thiqa Thabt’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p637). Zaid bin Aslam: Al-Dhahabi said: ‘Hujja’ (Siar alam alnubala, v5 p316), Imam Ibn Hajar Asqalani said: ‘Thiqa’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p326). Aslam al-Qurashi (the slave of Umar): Al-Dhahabi said: 'Faqih, Imam' (Siar alam alnubala, v4 p98), Ibn Hajar Asqalani said: ‘Thiqa’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p88). Proof Evidence No 2 “…Abu Bakr questioned about those who had refused to pay allegiance to him and had gathered near Ali like Abbas, Zubair and Sa’d Ibn Ubaadah, who were sitting in the house of Fatimah, refusing to pay allegiance. Abu Bakr dispatched Umar Ibn Khattaab to them. Umar went to the house of Fatimah and screamed (inviting them to come out of the house to pay allegiance). They refused to come out of the house. At this juncture, Umar called for firewood and said, ‘I swear by the One in whose hand is Umar’s life! Come out of the house or else I will burn down the house along with its inmates! One person said to Umar, ‘O Aba Hafs (referring to Umar’s agnomen)! Fatimah is in this house.’ Umar shot back, ‘Even if Fatimah is in this house, I will burn it " down...' Ref: A’laam al-Nisaa Fi Alam Al Arab Wal Islam, by Umar Reza Kahhaaleh, a contemporary Sunni scholar, page 115. According to research science analysis in the first report no 1 and 2 Umar clearly states by his own testimony that constitute an admission of Guilt that he was at the door threatening to burn her house regardless who she was or who the other occupants were in the house, he would still burn the house. If you look at the second report he called for firewood that's pure evidence and took an oath that he was adamant to burn her house by threatening to get a forced allegiance unless they would surrender to his demands so that he could legitimatise Abu bakr's succession to power. This is enough evidence for anyone who is not a fool or blind sided to ignore or be in denial to see umar's flagrant violation and transgressions of there rights and privacy according to the law. Further more let me add here umar's statement addressing the prophet's daughter by saying ‘Oh daughter of Messenger of Allah, no one is dearest to us more than your father and no one dearest to us after your father than you, I swear by Allah, if these people gathered in your house then nothing will prevent me from giving order to burn the house and those who are inside." This blatantly shows Umar's perfidious and hypocritical attitude towards the prophet's daughter and at all counts he should be held accountable for his nefarious behavior but again Sunni's don't believe in Truth justice transparency this doesn't exist in their belief system. So you can go on believing and be denial that this whole incident is fabricated and never took place but to the contrary and reality the Sunni's scholars would have liked to wish that this whole incident would just go away that it never happen or you for that matter can bury your head in the sand like the Ostrich do till the end of times and nothing would change. The narrators are authentic according to the approved standards and criteria met by both Bukhari and Muslim. What I last remember they are still your Scholars and books right.? Sunni Scholars have used internalized indoctrination to keep you fooled. As it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled. Go in peace and I hope that some day you will open up your third eye and understand with intellect the facade of Sunni Islam, by standing up with the Truthful Ones before it's too late. All praise is to Allah.

@@investigativeforensicscien4622 u didnt quote the whole narration from ibn abi shaybah u only quoted half. Even in that narration Umar didnt attack Fatimah infact in that narration Fatimah tells Ali to go and pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr and then Ali did just that ! So the narration mentions nothing about any attack it just proves our point that Ali pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr 🙂

​@@mesutozil7903 The bone of contention is umar threatening the prophet's daughter to burn her house and that even with firewood by his own admission that's being guilty as charged and it does not make sense that the prophet's daughter tells Ali ibn Abu Talb to go pledge allegiance to Abu bakr because there are discrepancies to your logic and in contradiction in accordance with the research of forensic science.

@@investigativeforensicscien4622 in the narration the threat was made to ali and zubair not fatimah so dont distort it. Secondly if u are sending the narration to prove your point then u have to accept it all or reject it all, you cant take the bit that suits u and reject the bit that goes against u i.e Ali pledging allegiance !

There's is no door at that time

@@zeeq4817 doors were made of straw

@@zeeq4817 go have some research on it

@@mohdzaidi4647 don't listen zakirs go and search in al qafi mullah baqir majlisi book

Exactly what was he doing at the house of the daughter of the prophet? Why does it matter where imam Ali was or what he did? What if he wasn’t home where would Umar get the audacity to even come within miles of the holy lady of the heavens. This is their ideology it’s ok for a man to even consider talking to lady Fatima never mind attacking her. Who in their right mind can call themself a Muslim and actually listen to this nonsense.

Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching

@@khalafyousef3731 Stupid comments it does not say anywhere where Imam Ali was ok.So don't make stories up belive your Sunnis books they are your Books.And it also says he sat on Umar so what then.And how does it make Umar look good first he batters his Sister for reading the Quran then trying to kill the Prophet.Then this why is it hard to believe Umar did these things from day one .Sunni Imams colleted this history as well as Shia.So I don't understand why you making up stories to make Umar look good.Stick to facts its like my saying Umar was on the roof he was on a horse or hiding at the back of the garden.

@@khalafyousef3731 If you follow the sequence of events from Ghadeer khumm event to 65 days later in the famous calamity of Thursday event to sending the army of Usamah out of Madina to the Saqeefah plot... You will see a conspiracy building up. The hyprocrites had a plan, The prophet had said to Imam Ali a.s قال علي: إنّه ممّا عهد إليّ النبي أنّ الأُمّة ستغدر بي بعده . Imam Ali said: ' the Prophet said to me for sure that that the nation will BETRAY me after him (the prophet) '. المستدرك على الصحيحين 3 / 140، 142 قال الحاكم: صحيح الإسناد، Hakim says this hadith is sahih وقال الذهبي في تلخيصه: صحيح Zahabi says this hadith is sahih There WILL be betrayal from the ummah towards Imam Ali a.s. Now, here is where lady Zahra a.s played her great role. Being the daughter of the prophet, she confronted those hyprocrites to remind them that they are the Ahlulbayt of the prophet, the great LADY ZAHRA who is in opposition to the Saqeefah plot and not just the men for political reasons , rather onthe religious grounds. That is why in sahih Bukhari, when they approached the door what did they say to umer? That Fatima is in the house. Whereby Umer said وإن even so!!! So to show the ummah that lady Zahra confronted them and died not giving her bayah to Abu bakr is the indication we today can thank her for , showing us that the tyrants Abu bakr and Umer are NOT legitimate rulers. Hope that is clear?

I don't think that it is a known sahih Hadith for sure even by shia, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. We really have no way of knowing

@@principlemethods5281 The methodology used to ascertain facts when investigating a criminal offence When the police are conducting an investigation there are five crucial questions that they will ask themselves: Does this report have any foundation to merit an investigation? Has a crime been committed? Is there an identifiable victim and perpetrator? Do we have any eye witness testimony to the event? Is the eye witness a man of truth? If the answer to all the above is yes, then the next question they will ask themselves is whether there exists any supporting evidence is available to support the original report? This supporting evidence does not necessarily need to be as strong, the police already have a firm grounding to take forward a prosecution, and supporting materials might merely confirm what the main eye witness has stated. There might be conflicting accounts about the character of these witnesses, but the fact of the matter is they are merely confirming what the main witness saw; their testimony provides grounds with which to charge the suspect. Is that clear?

I think you're missing the point, sunnis dismiss the whole incident as a lie and fabrication. Shias who accept the narration must also accept that it makes imam Ali look VERY BAD indeed for sending his wife to the door and not going himself when Umar told Ali to come out

Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching

@@mesutozil7903 By that logic, Imam Hussain looks “very bad indeed” for bringing his son Ali Asghar out to be slain by the arrow of Hurmala. Listen to your own foolishness. The Masumeen present trials in front of the very people who oppose them, in order that 1) they may be able to repent for their sins even towards the very end, or 2) all of history can bear witness to the evils of said people, and stand as a testament to the willingness of the Masum to live and die by their ideals That is why the Yazidi commander Hurr passed his trial with flying colors, and yet Umar ibn Khattab did not: Hurr was given a choice to murder Imam Hussain’s family and he refused, but Umar was given a chance to harm Lady Fatima and he attacked her, over the love of Caliphate and Dunya And there will be a reckoning for all of these crimes. None of us can flee from the Day of Judgement

@@mesutozil7903 «وَ لَوْ كُنْتُ وَجَدْتُ يَوْمَ بُويِعَ (أَخُو تَيْمٍ) أَرْبَعِينَ‏ رَجُلًا مُطِيعِينَ لَجَاهَدْتُهُم» Imam ali said that if he had 40 men he would've fought back Do you think the man who lifted the door of khaybar couldn't punish a bunch of cowards who ran away in the war of uhud ? For Islam to remain he was not allowed to fight

@@ehsanmousawi2998 oh poor imam ali didnt even have 40 people to support him? He had the whole of banu hashim, he had maalik bin nuwayrah according to shias, in other reports it says abu sufyaan was willing to raise an army and support imam Ali so you really cant say he didnt even have 40 supporters !

madad is not a good thing to say

THERE WERE NO WOODEN DOORS AT THAT TIME, THEY HAD ONLY COURTAIN AT DOORS,AS WE SEE IN QURAN

@@iMan-610 where in the Quran?

@@iMan-610it has been mention by Bukhari out side the door to set fire that’s enough- makka had door 🚪 and each of the house - don’t bring nonsense from Quran Once bukhari mention Ummar set fire and befor that he said if you don’t come out I will set fire 🔥 that’s enough reason to lead Ummar as kaffer no more discussion

Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching

@@khalafyousef3731 his comment literally answered your question before you asked it.

@@khalafyousef3731 @رامي عيسى اسد السنة If you follow the sequence of events from Ghadeer khumm event to 55 days later in the famous calamity of Thursday event to sending the army of Usamah out of Madina to the Saqeefah plot... You will see a conspiracy building up. The hyprocrites had a plan, The prophet had said to Imam Ali a.s قال علي: إنّه ممّا عهد إليّ النبي أنّ الأُمّة ستغدر بي بعده . Imam Ali said: ' the Prophet said to me for sure that that the nation will BETRAY me after him (the prophet) '. المستدرك على الصحيحين 3 / 140، 142 قال الحاكم: صحيح الإسناد، Hakim says this hadith is sahih وقال الذهبي في تلخيصه: صحيح Zahabi says this hadith is sahih There WILL be betrayal from the ummah towards Imam Ali a.s. Now, here is where lady Zahra a.s played her great role. Being the daughter of the prophet, she confronted those hyprocrites to remind them that they are the Ahlulbayt of the prophet, the great LADY ZAHRA who is in opposition to the Saqeefah plot and not just the men for political reasons , rather onthe religious grounds. That is why in sahih Bukhari, when they approached the door what did they say to umer? That Fatima is in the house. Whereby Umer said وإن even so!!! So to show the ummah that lady Zahra confronted them and died not giving her bayah to Abu bakr is the indication we today can thank her for , showing us that the tyrants Abu bakr and Umer are NOT legitimate rulers. Hope that is clear?

@@principlemethods5281 Please just report his comment for spam brother. He is repeating that copy-pasta nonsense all over this thread

Forgive me, but I am not really understanding the conclusion drawn from your citations here I was always unintelligent 🤷‍♂️

@@corpsefoot758 The descendants of the hypocrites and disbelivers could be good Muslims who are yet to tale birth. When there are going to be no muslims among the descendants then the punishment would befall them

Follow quran firstly stop idolizing human we worship allah not muhammed or ali

@@semih14551 Bakri Saqifa is an innovation. Show me a single proof of it from the Quran

Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching

@@khalafyousef3731 Would you be willing to swear on your mother’s life and on your Akhirah that you watched the entire video and payed attention to Al-Habib’s arguments before sending me this paragraph?

@@khalafyousef3731 Cuz Umar was supposedly a sahaba and talking to a sahaba is allowed in Islam? why is that an issue? he already came 3 times. The question you should be asking is why the Hell would Umar assemble men and go to the house of daughter of prophet pbuh.

Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching

@@user-zx4bo7hc2s ها رامي خيسى شسوي هنا في تعليقات

@@user-zx4bo7hc2s and then imam Ali as grab him and could kill him 😂

How is Indonesia for Shias?

Hello brother, I request that you please create an account on the “ShiaChat” forum website for plenty of literary citations on all of these matters. You can also try contacting a knowledgeable Shia scholar’s office, or searching for the videos of “Sheikh Hassan Allahyari” right here on RU-vid

@@ab5680huh??!! What a stupid question!😂

With all due respect, thats not our Shia beliefs. The Prophet and Imams knowledge is given by Allah awj. For example the Prophet did not know he would be attacked by Quraish. But once Allah awj informed him through angel Jibrael, he made Ali (as) sleep on his bed. Imams similarly can know the general idea that people will be jealous against them, but will not know the extent of that jealousy and hatred unless given knowledge by Allah awj.

@@007VitaminD If the Prophet didn’t have prior knowledge of Imam Ali’s suffering under Caliph Bakr, then why did he warn the Imam of upcoming torment and loss at the hands of Quraysh? Please don’t confuse one event with another. We are talking about the Prophet’s final will to Imam Ali before the martyrdom of Lady Fatima, not the entirely separate event of sleeping on the bed. Those are two completely unique ordeals, with different narrations and circumstances

@@corpsefoot758 I dont think you understood what I said. The Prophet DID have prior knowledge through Allah awj, but that does NOT mean he was also given the DETAILS of the events that will take place. Second, it doesn't matter if its a separate incident, the concept of ilm e ghayb is the same principle applied. Here's another example, Imam Hussain knew he would be killed, but did not know the extent of torture they would go and strip his family of water etc. Regardless, he was still mentally prepared for it to sacrifice for Islam.

@@007VitaminD What, where are you getting all of this from? Cite your sources please It is a VERY well-known Hadith that the first Imam told his companion Maytham al-Tammar one day that he would be crucified, disemboweled, and have his tongue removed, all for his love of Ali But if the Imams’ Ilm e-Ghayb was as vague as you claim, then how was this prophecy so specific and accurate in its details? How did the Imam predict them?

@@corpsefoot758 You are literally not understanding my point at all. Just because the Imam and Prophets know the details of ONE INCIDENT does NOT mean Allah awj gives them the details of EVERY incident. You seem to forgot this knowledge is from Allah ultimately. Whatever is revealed to them they will have. There are some things they will not know, like the details of when they die. Only the angel of Death knows outside Allah awj.

Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching

لماذا ترك علي فاطمة لوحدها وراء الباب تكلم عمر ولم يقف هو وراءه وخلفه فاطمة لتكلم الفاروق وتلقي الحجة این كان علي الم يسمع صوت القوم في بيته الصغير وصوت عمر يناقش فاطمة الم يشم رائحة النار ؛فيلم هندي ،الا تقولون انه تم مهاجمة الدار اكثر من مرة ،هل من الفطرة البشرية ان يترك الرجل زوجته وحدها وراء الباب تتناقش مع رجل غاضب جدا يهددها ،وهو يسمع او يتفرج فقط

@@user-zx4bo7hc2s داس على رأس عمر بن الخطاب اما عثمان بن عفان دخلوا الى منزلى وضربوا زوجته وقتلوا في المنزل

Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching

@@khalafyousef3731 Women are not allowed to answer the door? Where is this in the Quran or Hadith? Fatima (as) has no right to feel safe and secure in her own house? You try to absolve Umar from attacking the house by blaming Ali (as) Ali (as) was fulfilling the promise to Rasulullah as he should while Umar took it upon himself to invade Fatima’s (as) house. according to you, Ali left Fatima behind the door therefore Fatima deserved what happened to her. This is basically what you are saying. I pray Allah will raise you next to Umar and grant you the same treatment he will receive on the day of judgement.

@@khalafyousef3731 Does your father runs after your mum every time she answers the door.Imam Ali was in the meeting ok and LA Umar all the time running from the battlefield ,came boldly at Bibi Fatema’s door.

@@khalafyousef3731 The uthman his wife naila getting sexually assaulted and some sahaba said uthmans wife has a great behind part was funny as hell.I burst out laughing hard.

Brother Those Sunnies who are spreading the things which you call Islam are getting paid by the Saudi Arabia and other Sunni country leaders and yes since they are being paid they spread the deen yet the dean they spread is the same as Christianity which has nothing to do with the Eisa(AS_) Just because the number of followers of a religion is bigger doesn't mean that religion is the right one to follow,If this is what you think then join the Christians,they are bigger in Number than Muslims! And You say what happened 1400 years ago has no room for today? If so then why do you follow those fabricated Sunnah which was created by men like Umar & Abu Bakar and Uthman and othersd? Quit the deen all together !

of course the shia hold onto the past, otherwise without history, Islam would've not make sense. We need history to show us proof and to guide people the our ummah. In sha Allah.

Sunnis don’t follow “Islam” at all Show me a single place in the Quran where Saqifa elections are permitted for establishing anybody’s Khilafat You are Bakri innovators. Disgusting

@@sk_0765they will ignore all the important facts in the past , attacking , killing thousand of people in a fight , threatening the leaders of the times , poisoning people , even ignoring their own books of Hadiths but spreading Islam ! Which Islam are they talking about ? For me as a revert I am baffled about these types of Muslims , I feel like they resemble with the Christians that they don’t understand their bible ! After many years of deep studies about Islam I chose a path of justice a path which is not greedy and is humble and a path which is left from prophet Mohamed and his family and I am a revert many years now ! I swear sometimes I have the feeling for example they are the same people who were in the past stealing and doing mischief on earth ( stealing the land of Fadak and other corrupted staff)same ones sitting now and not doing anything in the matter of Palestine but they call themselves Muslims ! What a hypocrite world we live in !

The caller made a good point about Ilm al ghaib but the presenter kept talking over him - if he had Ilm al ghaib why did he allow her to open the door? Also insisting on calling him bakri when he asked you not to? Just why

They knocked the door 3 times. The first two times the imam came to the door and sent qunfudh away. The Lady of Heaven only came to the door the third time. Maybe the imam was praying or something

Only her voice was heard as you said, in the fabrications it is narrated that Fatema and Omar had a conversation with eachother that was getting out of hand yet Ali still does not show up to the man until his wife’s ribs are broken and she is now going to die because of this. I swear by Allah there is no other option. This is a fabrication but for arguments sake let’s say it happened. Omar is evil and Ali is a coward. No discussion or debate. The reality is he was khalifa and eventually his name became known and not everyone was fond of him especially non Muslims. So they spread a lie to make him look so bad and accidentally made Ali look bad as well in the process. Before Omar people used to hate, lie and abuse Ali and now it just is for another great sahabi. Weakest of all weak. Anybody who believes in this story is naive and unknowledgeable. Tell me why do many ahi scholars reject this bullshit as well and what is your explanation for them? Will they go to hell for rejecting the oppression of ahlulbayt?

Shia scholors*

Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching

@@khalafyousef3731 If you follow the sequence of events from Ghadeer khumm event to 55 days later in the famous calamity of Thursday event to sending the army of Usamah out of Madina to the Saqeefah plot... You will see a conspiracy building up. The hyprocrites had a plan, The prophet had said to Imam Ali a.s قال علي: إنّه ممّا عهد إليّ النبي أنّ الأُمّة ستغدر بي بعده . Imam Ali said: ' the Prophet said to me for sure that that the nation will BETRAY me after him (the prophet) '. المستدرك على الصحيحين 3 / 140، 142 قال الحاكم: صحيح الإسناد، Hakim says this hadith is sahih وقال الذهبي في تلخيصه: صحيح Zahabi says this hadith is sahih There WILL be betrayal from the ummah towards Imam Ali a.s. Now, here is where lady Zahra a.s played her great role. Being the daughter of the prophet, she confronted those hyprocrites to remind them that they are the Ahlulbayt of the prophet, the great LADY ZAHRA who is in opposition to the Saqeefah plot and not just the men for political reasons , rather onthe religious grounds. That is why in sahih Bukhari, when they approached the door what did they say to umer? That Fatima is in the house. Whereby Umer said وإن even so!!! So to show the ummah that lady Zahra confronted them and died not giving her bayah to Abu bakr is the indication we today can thank her for , showing us that the tyrants Abu bakr and Umer are NOT legitimate rulers. Hope that is clear?

Proof of that?

@@GrumpX Please look up Bukhari 6725-6, and also Bukhari 4240-1 We Shi’a don’t accept Sunni narrations for obvious reasons, but even some of them reference the fact that Lady Fatima banned Abu Bakr from her funeral because of how much he angered her And even in Sunni books it is said that whoever angers Lady Fatima angers our Prophet

@@corpsefoot758 Yet you believe in the lie that Umar RA hurt her when its an obvious lie and the fact that Ali RA named his kids after the 3 Caliphs says it all

@@GrumpX 1) You have no proof the Imam named them after the Caliphs. Those were the names of his favored companions, and/or very common at the time 2) Umar’s crimes are only “obvious lies” in Sunni books. Which are all completely irrelevant to me 3) Look up Sahih Muslim 1757c. Even your own books admit the “Rashidun” were not united whatsoever, regardless of what Muftis want to pretend “Says it all” indeed. Why are you so scared to acknowledge even your own texts?

@@corpsefoot758 You only pick and choose from the hadiths. Our scholars have already disapproved your books thus Your beliefs are also irrelevant to me and all other sunnis.

The film is called ‘The Lady Of Heaven’. Not sure when is it coming out but here’s the trailer: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1MaDAW0jRYM.html

Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching

Masha Allah, brother This is also confirmed by Bukhari 6593

@@corpsefoot758 Allah always leaves a few pieces of evidence in every religion which is broken apart for the educated ones to find the truth just like leaving small cracks in the walls of a dark room that can help any person who is looking out to know when it is the day time and when it is the night! ALLAHO AKBAR! Yes if our sunni brothers pay attention to what is in their own books of Ahadith they surely will be guided by Allah to the straight path in Deen!

Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching

Very true! Holyrood actors . Speaking filth.

Follow the Quran and the Alulbayte.

I'm a shia and hate Umar - but you're right. And the callers point about Ilm Al Ghaib was good too. The presenter carried on like a child.

They lie

Islam doesn't give importance to any genealogy brother. Even in quran there is no geneology of any prophets. There of yusuf(as). Islam doesn't give importance to class, race, color, sect etc.

@@roadlesstaken6006 the question was omar & abu bakr genealogy!? Quran very specifically mentions that messenger are descendant of one another - chapter 2:136 and 3:84 and many more verses. Sunnies refuse to read and research. They just continue blindly - the very 1st verse & word of the Holy Quran is "READ". Beni Israel aka Prophet Jacob "as" 12 sons, are all grand and great grand sons of Abrahim "as" and Prophet Muhammed is also descendant of Prophet Abrahim through Ismail. back to omar genealogy: omar's father khatab was born from Nufyl father and Sahak mother... after khatab's father nufyl died, khatab married/F his own mother sahak and omar was born. abu bakr aka atiq, his father married his own niece (his brother's daughter) and produced quhafa abu bakr's father. lets NOT go into the rest of your beloved sahabah.

@@pitbullofali brother... All these things are infact new to me. But brother we should not try to insult the Sahaba. Even our prophet did not do it.

@@roadlesstaken6006 I think what the brother above is trying to say is that when we discuss the incest genealogy of Abu bakr and omar there mental issues are explained. You want me to bring proof from your own books that omar raped a girl

@@roadlesstaken6006 Brother, please read Bukhari 6593 Perhaps if our Prophet had been aware of these Sahabas’ future crimes, he WOULD have cursed them more often …

Then why fight siffin jamal and nehrwan if prophet told him to patience

@Genzo Forever The word Shia means to follow and imitate. And this name as the prophet linked it with Imam Ali, became for those who particularly Follow Imam Ali and the Imams after him. We say Shia of Ali meaning his followers and his supporters. This word Shia has been mentioned in the Quran in respect to Prophet Ibrahim (a.s) as in Sura Saafaat verse 83. Ibrahim is a shia of prophet Noah meaning his supportor/follower. Peace and salutation be to Nuh in the worlds...and most surely among his shí'a is Ibrahím... (37:79-83) وَإِنَّ مِن شِيعَتِهِ لَإِبْرَاهِيمَ Muslims take great pride in being affiliated to Prophet Ibrahím (a.s.), and rightly so. It is also a known fact among Muslims that Prophet Ibrahím was himself named as a "Muslim" by Almighty Allah. What the people do not notice is that Almighty Allah has named Prophet Ibrahím as a "Shí'a" also So those who call themselves as "Muslims" and "Shí'as" are actually following the tradition established by Almighty Allah in being called as "followers" of pious believers just as Prophet Ibrahím has been described as a follower of Prophet Nuh. the term "Shi’a”alone has no negative or positive meaning unless we specify the leader of the party. If one is a Shi’a (follower) of the most righteous servants, then there is nothing wrong with being Shi’a, specially if the leader of such party has been assigned by Allah. "And he (Moses) went into the city at a time when people (of the city) were not watching, so he found therein two men fighting, one being of his Shi’a and the other being his enemy, and theone who was of his Shi’a cried out to him for help against the one who was of his enemy”(Qur’an 28:15) وَدَخَلَ ٱلْمَدِينَةَ عَلَىٰ حِينِ غَفْلَةٍ مِّنْ أَهْلِهَا فَوَجَدَ فِيهَا رَجُلَيْنِ يَقْتَتِلاَنِ هَـٰذَا مِن شِيعَتِهِ وَهَـٰذَا مِنْ عَدُوِّهِ فَٱسْتَغَاثَهُ ٱلَّذِي مِن شِيعَتِهِ عَلَى ٱلَّذِي مِنْ عَدُوِّهِ فَوَكَزَهُ مُوسَىٰ فَقَضَىٰ عَلَيْهِ قَالَ هَـٰذَا مِنْ عَمَلِ ٱلشَّيْطَانِ إِنَّهُ عَدُوٌّ مُّضِلٌّ مُّبِينٌ in the above verse of Qur’an, one is named the Shi’a of Moses a.s. and the other one is named the enemy of Moses, and the people at that time were either the Shi’a or the enemy of Moses a.s The Messenger of Allah said: "O ‘Ali! (On the day of Judgment) you and your Shi’a will come toward Allah well-pleased and well-pleasing, and there will come to Him your enemies angry and stiff-necked (i.e., their head forced up). The term Shia is in the Qur'an NOT the term Sunni

@@QnA513 that’s nice to know coming from YOUR belief. I could come with 1000 reasons because of the information and what I believe in. as I said Shia, Sunni it doesn’t matter they’re both Muslim. And im not going into a war of comments with you brother/sister

@@nikobellic8246 I totally see where you are coming from I was once like you, thinking only to be a muslim, and ONLY use such a label. But the reality of the fact is that Muslim means to submit The key question is HOW do we submit? The answer is, by supporting imam Ali a.s. by following him As the prophet HIMSELF said and labelled. So you have to be a rational -> human -> Muslim-> Shia All the best

please watch the video, the answer to both those allegations are there

Found the 12 year old batri

No brother! Imam Ali was not taking bath when Umar Ibn Khataab came to his door! Rasulallah(SAWA) KNEW they will not let Ali(AS) be their leader and he informed Ali(A) that if he resist they would kill not only him even his entire family,yes the LION OF ALLAH was tied up By Allah and his messenger who needed their IMAMAT to continue! Another thing If Ali(AS) had killed Umar and Abu Bakar those who destroyed Islam today would say BUT ALI KILLED THE SAHABAH OF RASULALLAH(SAWA) and the name of Islam would have parished from the pages of history! Do you understand?

Not only ghusl lies and breast feeding as well

Solid point! The brave Ali would never allow that to happen to his wife and then on top of that give his daughter to the killer of his wife (SHOCKED)

SubhanAllah very true

If he sent his wife then why did he attack Umar then? It’s common for wives to open the door of their house in Arabia

@@zayn670 when a man threaten to burn the house the husband should come protect his wife if he is a decent man. Let alone Sayyidna Ali. The teachings of Islam just don’t matter huh? The prophet said one who dies fighting for his family is a shaheed. No 40 men non sense. No there are many men out there not only Omar nonsense, no Omar was very strong so he talked this way and got away with it. If this happened Ali, Zubair and Talha would have retaliated way before it could have even got far. And no it was not normal and even today it is not too normal. A husband should answer the door incase the person is dangerous

Why did Ali leave Fatima alone behind the door to discuss with Omar? Why didn't Ali stand behind the door and put Fatima behind him to speak to Omar and give the argument to him? Where was Ali? Did he not hear the voice of the people and the voice of Omar discussing Fatima at the door of his small house? Doesn't he smell fire or smoke?its Indian movie,Don't you say that the house was attacked more than once? Is it human nature for a man to leave his wife alone behind the door arguing with a very angry man who threatens her? & he is just listening or watching

That is very true. I sincerely doubt I would have been a vocal supporter of Imam Ali in those times. I would have hidden in my house like a coward

Then why Abu baker one of the 3 things he regret assault Fatma house in sahiyh al bhkari

@@calmcmanus9928 brother... As I said. They are all companions of prophet muhammed(saw). We can't speak anything against them. If they did wrong it's between them and Allah.

@@roadlesstaken6006 no we really have to speak to know the difference between the real believer the hypocrites other ways we will always be in different because we choose to not know even Quran wants us to learn and understand not just blind following increase ur knowledge in less ur afraid or hidden something that u don't want people to know, if only every muslim read not just depend on someone to explain to him we wouldn't need channels

@@calmcmanus9928 are uh Shia?! What is the book of fathima?! Recently I started watching ahlulbayt channel and slowly I am learning more about Shia. As i am not Shia. But there is lot of confusion. Do uh guys pray to hussain(ra).

@@roadlesstaken6006 I don't know if u know arabic but u will find all questions answers in arabic Shia channel don't relay on sunni to teach Shia history after all they were our enemies for centuries we Shia not afraid to discuss the history the moment Mohammad die until his house hold peace be upon them

With all due respect brother, if you claim to see the hypocrisy of these first 3 Khulafa, then why would you still consider yourself a member of the Sunni sect?

We don't like Umar, Uthman, or Abu Bakr. We do say Ya Allah, Ya Muhammad, Ya Ali, Ya Fatima, Ya Hassan, Ya Hussain, and so on. We disassociate ourselves them the Sunni caliphs such as Abu Bakr and Umar.

Where is your proof those names came from the first 3 specifically? As opposed to other people with those names? Let me guess, now you’re only going to cite Sunni books?

Soooo your "Sahaba" that struck our beloved Bibi Fatima (SA)? Oh okay 😁

@@SN-nt2vk no the sahaba of the prophet. Also, I hope you are not among those who worship Imam Ali. Usually they make these ridiculous comments

@@judgeyourself8213 so is Umar is part of these sahabas of the holy prophet?

@@SN-nt2vk if you don't know that by now. I am not sure what Islam are you implementing. I just hope it is not worshipping Imam Ali and Ahlul bayt.

@@judgeyourself8213 Our Islam is based on logic and reason brother. We simply keep close who were purified, in this case the ahlul bayt and reject the oppressors of them. I don't know where you got this worshipping from. We follow the two weighty things that have the same value, the Quran and the Ahlulbayt. If you haven't known about Hadith at Thaqalayn, I strongly advise you to research it. It is authentic in both our sects. Research, ponder, and let me know what you think inshallah

By your logic, our Prophet himself was a “coward” for allowing the murder of Sumayya, mother of Ammar …? Do you even realize the logical traps you set up for yourself when posting foolishness like this?

With all due respect, who told you “Abu Bakr was busy with the burial”? He was at Saqifa, with Umar at the time. He did not even wait for our holy Prophet’s body to grow cold before trying to build a throne for himself

Let me give you the answer to why Ali(AS) didn't answer the door? Ali(AS) was ordered by RasuAllah to refrain from fighting with Umar & Abu bakar and all those who were following them> In his Nahjol Balaqah he indicates he was left alone and Rasul(SAWA) told him they his enemies would kill him and his children which would mean getting rid of Islam forever. Yes Ali(AS) was the lion of Allah yet that lion was tied up by the rope of Allah and his Radsul for the sake of ISLAM. If Ali(AS) had killed Umar or Abu bakar today no one would be Muslim because his action would give the tools to all the enemies of Islam to bring down the Islam Yes Ali afterwards got up and walked towards Umar and lifted him off the ground hold to his belt and brought him to the ground and he put his sword on umar neck and told him THE ONLY REASON I WILL NOT KILL YOU IS THAT RASULALLAH HAS ORDERED ME NOT TO FIGHT WITH YOU! then he let him leave

@@aliagha1221 very well put! May Allah keep us in the wilaya of imam Ali as

Where is your proof such a marriage took place? Let me guess, Sunni book

Brother! Ali(AS) Did NOT marry his own daughter to Umar Ibn Khtab ! NO SIR! That little girl was the daughter of Abu Bakar Sister of Ayisha and the next day the girl let him and she Kicked him in the growing and walked out of his home! Does it make sense? Yes Umar attacked the home of Fatimah(AS) by the order from Abu Bakar You can NEVER wash the blood of Fatimah from the hands of her killer ! I think you need to face the Truth and stop standing for falsehood!

Brother! You need to pay attention to those Ahadith in your own Sunni books and you will find out who those you stand for they really were! Umar Ibn Khtaab thought of himself to be FAR BETTER than Muhammad Rasulallah(SAWA) according to your own book of Ahadith > would you like me to post some for you?

@@aliagha1221 No thank U. Don't need any lessons from grave worshipers who believe their 12 Imams are better than all the Prophets, have the knowledge of the unseen, etc. Astaghfillah. We'll just agree to disagree.

@@Carlito_El_Gooner My dear Your Wahhabi leaders have misguided you for sure! First of all Shia does not worship graves,Worship is only for ALLAH(SWT) Shia Prays for the members of Ahlul Bait because Allah has chosen them to guide his people And Yes the fact that they are for the MAJORITY of people after those messengers of Allah that makes them greater than even those messengers after his last prophet. Messengers like Musa(AS) and Esia(AS) they had duties to guide very small numbers of people on their own time Yet MuhammadRasulallah(SAWA) was KHTAMAL NABEYEEN Last of the messengers from Allah and he was for THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE from 1400 years ago until the end of time ,therefore His successors Must be greater than all the messengers before Muhammads(SAWA) because they have much greater DUTIES than those messengers! Yes, it is very hard for the Small brain of your Wahhabi leaders to comprehend! And Yes all of them have the knowledge of unseen because Allah has given them that power to know what the future holds. My dear Allah has chosen them to lead his people and those chosen by Allah all of them have powers beyond our understanding. Didnt Allah give power to Musa(AS) to open up the red sea? Didnt Allah give power to Musa to let him turn the day to night in the middle of the day? Didnt Allah give power to Eisa(AS) to create a BIRD from the clay and give life to it to fly? As I said for Small Bain Wahhabi people it is impossible to understand the power of Allah because they are the decedent of those Stupid Jews who used to mock all the messengers of their time Why did Muhammad(SAWA) say THE EARTH FROM SOME OF MY AHLUL BAIT CAN CURE SICKNESS??? Do you know what The Earth means? That is called TORBAT Yes the Torbat of Imam Husain(AS) Can cure any sickness IF THE ONE WHO USES IT TRULY BELIEVE IN ALLAH AND HIS IMAM! Here is the words from your own Lady who you think of her as some kind of Saint ! (Ayisha) SAHIH BUKHARI Volume 7, Book 71, Number 641 : Narrated by 'Aisha The Prophet used to say to the patient, "In the Name of Allah The earth of our land and the saliva of some of us cure our patient." Dont you see how Ignorant your reply was? If the torn up shirt of Yusof(AS) by the will of Allah cured the blind eyes of his father what makes you thinkthe torbat of Imam Husain(AS) can not cure the sickness of the Ummah of Muhammad Radsulallah(SAWA)??? As I told you ,You are MISGUIDED By your Pinhead wahhabi leaders! Yes Imams of Shia chosen by Allah still can cure his Ummah and himself al;so can cure sick people All in the NAME OF ALLAH! We do not worship them yet they are our mediator( Connections) between Us and Allah.And NOTHING CAN TAKE THEM AWAY FROM US ,MAY THE EYES OF THEIR ENEMIES GO BLIND FOREVER ! AMEEN!

If this never happened, why did Lady Fatima ban Abu Bakr from her funeral?

What funeral bro 😂😂 Again u r using ur fake sources But let's take ur argument this:- Did Hassan and Hussain (R.A) knew about her funeral or where she buried ?? -No Is that mean they were banned from attending the funeral 😅

@@iraqiha7864 I used Bukhari. That’s a “fake source” to you?

@@corpsefoot758 Where's the Hadith u didn't show me anything stop lying against the Sahabah of the prophet Muhammad (SAW)

Why?

He’s a coward in the Dawah field! These rafidis will never debate they know they will get exposed and their followers will leave them. You think someone like that will handle violence and death. They will call peop le out and only debate laymen on the phones! Nakshawani is still hiding after calling out every daee!

@@shosho3166 What about this dawah had given AA ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aStsk0cUpbU.html

@@shosho3166 Where are you? Discuss It will help us for the sake of Allah swt Did you watch the above interview? How was the Dawah to him?

All you Sunnis have is bloodshed hahaha Thank you for exposing your true nature once again

Beshumaar