Debunking James Tour’s Latest Pathetic Series (Part 3 of 4) 

We needed the full TOUR of his content, We couldnt just pull apart half it.

Apparently it isn’t enough for some people though

dont worry, james will find a way to ignore everything that disproves him

@@XParasiteOctoling These people are barely smart enough to read, in some cases no amount of content will convince them.

LMAO!!

"Peptides can't form in water" is just as detached from reality. Different strokes, same idiocy :D

"spectroscopy needs to be in a container because flerfspective". It is always flerfspective.

Ah- ha ha! I got that reference, lol.

i dont get it

@New Western Front Dave did a debate with a flerfer, and one of them brought up spectroscopy, which is the study and measurement of the electromagnetic spectrum. The flerfer clearly not knowing wtf he was talking about objected to the method of one example by saying, "spectroscopy needs to be in a container!" That makes no sense! Wtaf?! Lol. Anyway, it's kind of a meme among the crowd who heard the debate.

And beyond everything you just said, very accurately, his analysis is WRONG! Can you believe this fucking clown?

@@ProfessorDaveExplains I mean, it's gotta be! He can't come to an accurate conclusion because the accurate one invalidates something he's absorbed too tightly, that people doing Origin of Life research are all jokes and clowns and don't know anything. I think that's why he ignores the obvious things that he does. If researchers used glass with magnesium for the very reason he thinks they washed it, his understanding of their competence is wrong. If they really did get Ribose the way they said they did, they're making real concrete progress in understanding the mechanisms behind the origin of life. So instead, none of that happened. Our capability for self-delusion is never to be underestimated, after all. I hope these are cathartic for you. I get the feeling you're the kind of guy who likes this sort of shit, rather than gets exhausted by it. Your trajectory from making a short video about how the flat earth lacks explanatory power to a personal back and forth with a dark-money funded evangelical political outlet has gotta be fuckin' weird to think about. They're all the same guy, too! Every step along the way has been the same smug prick who thinks that he's just managed to out-think entire disciplines and that nobody has ever considered the things his magnificent brain has. They've puffed their heads full of hot air.

@Nothingseen that's his prerogative, though. You say his followers don't understand this. I'm no scientist, and some stuff may go over my head, but I can grasp the concept of the sciences Dave's presenting and clearly demonstrated contradictions. For me, I can use this piece of information in my personal life to make certain decisions on who to believe and what to be weary about when it comes to accurate information on topics I'm trying to understand. But overall, the point is that this is Dave's channel. Try as much as you want, but Dave's gotta do what Dave's gotta do.

Well said. The first time I was referred to Dr. Tour a few years ago, he was being presented as this uber smart chemist who disproves abiogenesis. The multiple people telling me to watch Tour were all low teir, antiscience, Christians. It's good Dave exposes this fool, and has the citations, and know-how to show exactly where Tour is lying.

@@Zikiru Name a contradiction Dave presented

@James The Nefarious i wrote mine by hand. much cheaper that way and equally valid

@@galileog8945 You were the same person from James Tour video.

I paused the video and just finished watching the rest and holy crap he can't even tell between scrupulous glassware cleaning and the actual synthetic method. And this guy is a Ph.D in my field. Effing unreal.

@@mikotagayuna8494 Who cares? His flock drinks his piss as though it were champagne and praises the Lord...

i wonder if you can report james to the scientific community and get his degree taken away...

I understand: that's an elaborated way of moving the goal posts.

-- I have a PhD too, but I am not nearly as well rounded as PD!! See what I did there? He can talk about quite a few areas!!

Well go on prove Tour wrong, have a discussion with him on video. Don’t talk in a RU-vid comment section. Let’s see you do it. I’d love to see you get destroyed.

@@cmathias4993 Tour is doing a fine job proving himself wrong by just opening his mouth. And Dave is handling it fine. You're just too scientifically illiterate to know better, and you blindly believe everything he says because he uses words you don't understand that confirm your bias.

@@cmathias4993 Uhm, it's already done here, you see? But logic and reason does not seem to be qualities of yours.

I need to know which university gave you that degree, I need to get one myself.

@@peterholmes7440 MCU.

@@heiyuall Ah, so Marymount California University!

@@heiyuall DCEU*

​@Achyuth Thouta Does the Wayne foundation give out scholarships?

@ProfessorDaveExplain94 OH MY GOD

@@patinthechat6452 What happened? I don't see any other comment.

@@blakksheep736 I think I was responding to a spam bot. I like to mess with them.

@@patinthechat6452 I see.

Actually it is like schools work (not necessarily how universities do). Good teachers break down if something was misunderstood and correct it, not necessarily to humiliate a student in front of a class (if he/she was not intentionally lying like James does a lot of times) but to avoid common traps in understanding and miscommunication. The videos here have a double function: To recognize dishonest strategies by ID/creationists and to teach just as byproduct steps of abiogenesis and active research results. In the debunks Dave shows some misunderstandings that could arise, while teaching the real deal. Debunk videos about flatearth, creationism etc. are also a basic way to teach where laypeople get deceived into. James for example at 39 minutes here yet again actively confuses already evolved endosymbiotic cells (billion years younger in age) with rna world structures. He himself does so out of being nefarious for an religious agenda BUT that is the basic thing: Believing Laypeople really wish to have a supersimplified view and authorities to comfort them in their false ideas that a whole complicated modern cell or even a complete lizard is slithering out of a puddle...so that they could in their mind dismiss uncomfortable facts (for their faith) and James is trying to sell on that. Like some laypeople in the globedenial influence sphere wish for solely emotional reasons that we ain't on a spinning ball rushing through the endless vaste of space without a driver in charge, but that they would be in the center of a pencake earth that is hold in 2 hands of a deity to guide and move them to a specific goal. It is important to show that the supposed authorities are charlatans, that the people have to be less sentimental and emotional and that they must engage in learning a lot of stuff to have a more proper view about these topics.

@@Angelmou w22wwy

@@Angelmou tl:dr

I was honestly just thinking about this and I figured he should make another channel called professor dave debunks. It honestly is a bit odd to have both educational and videos like these on same channel.. I also think it'd be better for him monetarily.

I've honestly learnt a lot from the debunks too

I'm really at a loss to figure out what triggers an university from making a statement at this point. I'd have to check the history but it seems like LeHigh made a statement about Behe pretty quickly on his stance with intelligent design. I'd like something more than a statement for Tour but at this point I can't figure out why they haven't even done that yet. Maybe someone else who knows the Behe history better can comment.

The U.S. has a tenure system. Once a professor goes through a rigorous vetting process, it becomes nearly impossible to fire a person without them breaking serious crimes. The original point of the system is to prevent firing somebody over unpopular political views, or controversial series. For example, in the U.S. the racist political party wants to ban history of African Americans. Recently the University of North Carolina hired a Pulitzer Prize winner for a tenure-track professor position. She was interested in doing a major history project on the slave industry in the United States. The racists wanted to censor this, so they forced the University to fire her before she was awarded her tenureship, and it would have been much more controversial to fire her. Now the downside of the tenure system is that ever know and then some jerk like Tour will abuse it. The moment they get tenure they'll stop doing research. Or do the bare minimum teaching. And just do enough to collect their check each month and retire with their pensions. In some cases they'll even start selling snake oil using their university credentials to con gullible people, like Tour is doing. And the University knows this but can't really do anything about it, without harming their own tenure system and the decent professors who benefit from it.

@@stevestadler This is a good example of Tour scamming a gullible chump, just like I said, thank you. "that doesn’t involve a lab " But you also simultaneously want it to be recreated in a lab, remember? Tour's got you tied up in a pretzel so bad you can't even remember which way is up.

Stevie, you're fucking stupid. Stop pretending otherwise.

@@stevestadler No, Steve. You're asking scientists to reproduce it in a lab, in a controlled environment. If we did it outside, you'd just claim that God did it, and regular life got inside. You'd just move the goal posts. All you ever do is lie, Steve. Even though the Bible tells you not to.

Much like flat earthers like Witless.

@@freddan6fly beat me to it lol

i agree, i like that too

@@professionalschizo or they quote niel degrasse Tyson then ignore everything else he says

@@freddan6fly I love that he's disproving relativity by saying Einstein agrees with him lol

No, there's malice + vanity + greed mixed in. Put that in the fear + you get Tour's trembling rage.

Ehhh.

Fits right in with the Wedge document plans to control what you can learn.

Well, as one wise green man once said, "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.", and the hate seems pretty obvious to me by this point. The suffering? That remains to be seen.

He just wants god to exist so badly, I doubt he's aware of how much it shows.

Take a wild guess.

Some might say abiogenesis is impossible too, yet it happened

@@ProfessorDaveExplains that’s fair. I should have been more clearly rhetorical.

​@@jsink964 i think he knows exactly whats happening, but he prefers lying to himself because of jesus. some people just arent able to drop something they were indoctrinated with in the childhood. and imagine how ridiculous would be for james to admit that he is wrong. he loses all of his following, because they want blissful affirmation and therefore his income is zero, di drops him, calls him a heretic and a spy or sth. above all that, imagine what james would think about himself and thats what creationists, flatearthers and others face when challenged. fear, that they have been wrong. fear so severe that they always choose denial.

That's what lying Christians always do. Look at me with my beautiful family! How could such a standup guy possibly be a disgusting lying fraud?! The more they push that image the more you can be certain that they're completely full of shit.

Self-Righteousness is always like this. If you watch Tour when he goes onto various PR channels that he frequents (he's got another one out today) he sneers and derides anyone critical of him in classic narcissistic tone. Same behavior they all have psychologically.

@@davidbutler1857 "they just ignore me" he says. Wishful thinking in this case.

@@ProfessorDaveExplains Hey Dave please read this comment A few days ago an earthquake happened where I live and there is a man named frank hoogerbeets claims that he predicted the earthquake using the position of the planets in the solar system . I know it's wrong Can you debunk it ???? So many people believed him and now he is scaring people with new predictions

@@sameehali7045 Did he actually predict the earthquake before it happened? (even then it could just be coincidence) Or is he just claiming now, after it happened, that he predicted it?

What

where is it i must see it

His cult members are simply looking for something with supposed authority that will confirm their existing beliefs. It's simple confirmation bias. It's honestly not worth discussing it with them. They have already made up their minds and have no capacity to understand OOL chemistry.

@@Paulo-py4mm Yup. They just want to circle jerk each other and sniff Tours chair when he stands up

It reveals his mindset too. He really believes he's such a big shot in the community that his criticism alone could make someone lose even the slightest bit of credibility.

Cause 'goddunit'. Neither group are equipped to answer that question.

He's also kind of stupid though.

There's more drama around the debunking, so there's more views.

​@@jquest99 That's a bit dismissive. I learn as much science from debunks, or what I already know gets reinforced, & I get to see the science applied in arguments, proofs, evidence, conversation, & other settings beyond classrooms. Also I appreciate Dave's extra steps, part of his process seems to be demonstrating what appropriate sources, citation, & evidence look like & how to use them*[1] --- not explicitly, but just in showing himself using them. Plus, as a spineless person who was/is* appeasing-peacemaker from an aggro narrow-minded defensive family + in situations that echo those, I learn more about how to make stronger assertions, spot disingenuous arguments, catch leading agendas when I'm being maneuvered towards unchosen pathways before stepping too far down them, & recognize humans wrapped entirely in red-flag-wear before they do much damage --- an unexpected but much appreciated boon that's an outgrowth of simply enjoying Dave's content (& other debunkmasters) in general, liking his persona + style as well as material. That's a lot of real life personal benefit that doesn't even begin to quantify what this kind of thorough BS abolitionism brings to the collective table as a public good. "Drama"? I'm not trying to single you out, but I'm noticing a broad narrative in online spaces that mirrors Ye Olde Timey dismissiveness by oversimplifying, flattening, or blunting subjects or events that are prismatic & multidimensional, plus people sourly handwaving away important discussions as juvenilia, utopianism, gossip, or the modern dreaded catch-all: "drama"*[3]. The only thing I see that unites non-theatre/fiction things called "drama" online is the person calling it drama isn't that deeply affected by it, hasn't had occasion to consider it more than in passing & doesn't care to invest more in it, or doesn't have strong feelings about it, or thinks others should shut up about it already. They tend to express low opinions towards "human nature", too. I've become convinced that when the word "drama" crops up, it's my cue to see I'm not missing something bigger or less innocuous. *[1] --- gotta look up if Dave's done a video +/or edu-series on that *[2] --- working on it! Dave & other debunkmasters do multi-prongedly useful work, taking on squatters across various areas BS proliferates, even beyond science/medicine, eg the ambient stress of forensic accountants these days. *[3] --- not sure why but many people seem to define juvenilia, utopianism, gossip, & drama as equivalent words, synonyms for "stuff I'm meh-to-angry about", & treat them as if they're all self-contained, self-justified end-all-arguments negatives, or at best, trivialities or distractions. Not only are they all defined differently from one another, but I haven't seen good arguments for why any of these things are unnecessary, unimportant, or somehow indulgent or unworthy of attention, discussion, or care. I'd even go to the mat for "gossip"...well, once I finally see enough Dave-debunk to grow a spine lol...

It's not a matter of winning to them. It's just preaching and believing. The science doesn't really matter to them, except to distort and misrepresent in whatever way that provides them with some perceived flaw in the science. They need a gospel, a source of inerrant truth. Folks like Tour simply have to poke imaginary holes in science, or point out science does not understand something, plausibly demonstrating to them science cannot be an inerrant source of truth. And to them, simple testimony is credible evidence, just like the Bible is credible. Testimony is more credible than scientific evidence. They believe in apostles and prophets, and they believe the word of god. Tour's testimony as a godly man is always going to outweigh scientific evidence in their minds.

This made me smile but also wonder. I concluded Dave would NEVER. I'm responding lightheartedly, I don't know him, but running the thought experiment, I couldn't find the conditions that would make Dave walk away from finishing the job. Not of destroying Tour, but his arguments. Best Tour'd get after what he's pulled is Dave insisting on recording a detailed apology that allows zero face-saving for James --- so not only would JT have to say sorry while explaining his motivations/reasons in detail + correcting his record for each specific point he misled/doubled down on, but also I doubt Dave would accept anything less than a sincere grovelling heartfelt apology to each of the OoL-professionals JT maligned. But it was a fun thought experiment & I loved it, so thanks! If anyone thinks of the contrition conditions that'd save Tour from Part 4 please let us know!

Yeah for talking snake and donkey and that leprosy isn't a germ infection, but a curse or evil spirit posession you can cleanse by 7 sprinkles of birdblood or exorcism.

According to legend he has a talking burning bush in his garden next to the talking snake, just behind the ant hill of four legged ants.

@@freddan6fly is that next to the fence he uses for breeding zebras from donkeys?

@@Forest_Fifer Darn, you got to the striped wood before me >:(

@James The Nefarious HF works...

@@galileog8945 actually, while HF is extremely corrosive and poisonous, a hot mixture of sulphuric acid and hydrogen peroxide (also known as pirhana solution) works much better for dissolving organic material.

Nah this is to funny 🤣

I don't know much about biology or chemistry but I know a bit about statistics and what I can say is that a low amount of knowledge in this field which is just a small part of what is required is enough to understand why evolution and abiogenesis are possible. In fact the evolutionary mechanisms have been used before in computer science in something called the "genetic algorithm" which works by prioritizing those formations with a better score and thus achieving after some time the thing which we were looking for.

Lol @ "lying through his gritted teeth" Thats a very appropriate way to describe him!

and damn does he ever explain.

In truth, all bullying comes from insecurity to some degree. I'm no psychologist but his behavior screams that he's insecure imo.

He's a delusional narcissist so he thinks he automatically understands science way outside of his expertise, so he talks out of his ass and ends up saying really stupid things.

@@ProfessorDaveExplains So... intentionally deceptive.

@@ProfessorDaveExplains My point is that even if he knows what he's talking about, as you pointed out, his target audience *doesn't.* Talking out his ass isn't a problem with the people he's actually talking to.

@@jursamaj Oh without a doubt. But it always comes back to bite him in the ass! I make sure of it.

#GottaLieforJeebus! They don't care, as long as they own the (libs) atheists.

I Would not be surprised

I expect there is a permanent imprint on his *** from the spanking he received in this video.

He would never show his dumb face in the lion's den.

@@ProfessorDaveExplains I suppose he's still smarter than David Weiss or Kent Hovind.

@@leobriccocola8141 "I suppose he's still smarter than David Weiss or Kent Hovind." - marginally. He is so deep down in derp lies he is howling to the stupidity of Kent and David at almost lightspeed.

Curiosity is also needed. James "curiosity" is limited to how to get the answer 'goddunit' from a question.

The other thing that James is lacking is acknowledging when you are talking about fields outside of your field of expertise and by actually stating that I'm not an expert is such and such field. When my husband is talking to me (BSc in Psychology with a minor in Biochemistry, BSc & MSc in Computer Science and PhD's in Computer Science and Engineering) about chemistry (He has a BSc in Chemistry and a PhD in Theoretical Chemistry - specifically Electron Correlation) and it is outside of his field of expertise he always prefaces what he is about to say with "I'm not an expert in this field BUT .."

I don't think that humility is the essence of being a scientists. I've seen a LOT of great scientists who were NOT humble.

And obviously the willingness to find out that your wrong. You really need to be fine with admitting mistakes. Otherwise you're never going to be a good scientist. Your ego will be in the way.

@@jquest99 Yes, it's definitely not humility. I would say instead that scrupulous objectivity (evidence-orientation) is the essence. Sometimes that requires humility to admit that one's assumptions should be immediately deposed given new evidence. But it's definitely not the primary characteristic of a good scientist.

Same honestly, I didn't pay much attention in my science classes in highschool but somehow I can grasp this stuff better than James Tour does, like understanding autocatalysis at least conceptually. My personal bet? He does actually understand these things, he's just lying because it doesn't help his case.

@kerbehklobbah5790 I think, on reflection, he understands them as well but for whatever reason is choosing not to for the DI be it indirectly money through appearance fees at a later stage, fame/infamy or to push an agenda. Probably has a "brief" whereby he has to speak ONLY as an Organic Chemist ignoring anything else and to jump on things which can at first glance appear strange without digging - knowing the audience will not dig any further into this. Without knowing what an Organic Chemist is, to a layman it can appear that it is an 'all encompassing natural' chemistry like the impression you think of when you hear 'organic' food. If it's natural its 'organic' if that makes sense? All he does is provide stupid arguments from authority potentially to those who watch his videos. Dave may not have a Doctorate but I dare say he is a "People's Professor".

Unfortunately, delicately navigating someone's psyche to unbrainwash them is not my forte. I just demolish pseudoscience and let the rubble fall where it falls. But that blog is hot garbage and that guy should be ashamed of himself.

@Peter J. Thanks for this helpful response. For what it’s worth, carefully selecting the right moment to inject the carefully chosen humorous interjection can also help. Recently, I made some headway with a biblical literalist, by admitting my failure to kill Amalakites.

@Peter J. Agreed, hence the emphasis on carefully choosing the time and the nature of the humorous interjection.

Wait for part 4!

@James The Nefarious I had one of those steaks!! Prepared with extra salt!! 😂🤣

@@ProfessorDaveExplains Impatiently waiting for Part 4.

@James The Nefarious I'm doubting your claim on medium rare steaks straight from the rocks - I might buy it if you told me those steaks were charred to a crisp.

So you can add geologists and palentogists to the list of the corrupted fields of science according to James.

Yeah I was trying everything I could to keep that Laughing Spanish Guy meme in there because it's so freaking funny. Nothing worked so I had to accept that I had to remove it. It broke my heart.

@@ProfessorDaveExplains OMG! That laughing Spanish guy thing is copywritten??? It seems the few seconds of video would be fair use. 😭

Yeah it's the TV network. Oh well, the science is more important. And everyone can still watch the clip separately.

@@ProfessorDaveExplains It's great

It's not about theists vs atheists

You spin me right round baby...

Your spin seems unhealthy. I know a good spin doctor...

It's my new linkedin summary.

Rejoice!

@@ProfessorDaveExplains another will sprout up in its place. and all the idiots will resub.

@@TiocfaidhArLa34 Nah most of those subs were people who don't even watch the content. He'll get 10% of what he had tops. And probably get it deleted again.

Also his Dino Land channel where he "explained why he was innocent" was taken down.

PRAISE THE LAWD!

I'm convinced at this point that getting slapped on a theological basis would be the only way to get James Tour to stop his infantile tirade of science denial, his religious beliefs clearly inform his thoughts more than his observations do, which is why the only way he'd listen if it's a Christian argument.

Well you know those Catholics aren’t ‘real’ Christians, lol

@@davidbutler1857 for catholics catholics are real Christians. For evangelical Christians they are real Christians. Each denomination believes they are the real ones

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