Deepwoken's Voidwalker Problem, AND How to Fix it! 

If you are in pvp combat you do not gain a health pack from any mob or npc you knock (pvp combat being the red skull and pve combat being blue skull)

If you want to know why the obtainment is so screwed, it's because it was co-designed by ragoozer, who is known for loving his previous project Rogue Lineage, a bit too much, a game which basically was the Voidwalker obtainment for 37 different classes, with the added middle finger of you being near incapable of getting lives back, so if you died as a base level you'd never get that life back unless you got luck/had exploits and was artifact hunting. He's known for actually incentivising toxicity, as it's what worked in Rogue, to the point that he almost suggested an item that upon use would send your enemies to the Depths and let you follow them and wipe them, it did get added in the end but it's been reduced to the point that it's not nearly as offensive.

My only thing with Voidwalkers is that they purposefully choose to target low levels because they know its less of a bother. And on top another thing I hate is that one voidwalker would literally bring another voidwalker with them and just jump you for retaliating too long.

Another thing worth noting is the EXP fall off. At higher levels, you're basically doing a bounty for three points and at even higher, just one point. This is annoying for the Voidwalker, as they do a shart tone of work for no reward, and annoying for the victims, as they watch the same dude come after them 65000 times.

having void walker encounters not kill the victim is a great idea because it would introduce random pvp to newcomers meaning that newcomers will essentially have a safety net pvp tutorial that introduces them to combat and certain combat scenarios while not having to face the detrimental consequences of not knowing how to pvp in a new game, which would actually make void walkers a "positive evil", sort of comparable to predators in an ecosystem.

it is nice to know a dev team is listening to his criticism to make the game better for once

I think one fix could be rewards based on Power Level + Player Kills. If a player has killed a ton of other players on one slot, the value of hunting that player is increased because they’ve proved themselves as a worthy hunt. Where players who haven’t killed other players as often and are lower power level’s will give less rewards.

Also as a tip for new players, the easiest way to get voidwalker is just get your friends to let you kill them in different slots 15 times

I’m absolutely LOVING the deepwoken content. I feel like it really fits him. And it’s much better for his channel focusing on a more popular game

Encountering a voidwalker as a low lvl is you having 2 options: either run for your life praying that the guy can't catch up to you or some random event happens and you get saved, or die, and 9/10 times it's going to be the second one, which makes it really depressing for people that are actually new to the game and a random lvl 20 with endgame gear appears out of nowhere just to kill you

Fun fact. In the early days you got “more lucky” when you killed players, so the starter islands were a complete blood bath. Honestly it’d be much more fun if a void walker didn’t take a life but instead just sent you back to spawn and got a reward, while if they die they also don’t lose a life but their victim gets awarded

instead of actually dying to a void walker they could make a feature where they actually take a piece of your soul and you wake up in the same place where you died after a little fragments of self obby, when 4 pieces are taken you lose a life, level up and you get a piece of your soul back, do some kind of hard quest you get a piece of your soul back, etc. etc. this way people wouldn't rage as much when dying to void walkers as they could do one of those quest and get said piece back. freshies and such would have enough time to get loot and such before fighting again and not dying to a normal player and going to depths. voidwalkers get their loot and prog and freshies get to have more fun if anyone could find any kinda flaw in this id honestly like to hear it

I am a voidwalker and i myself have many problems with my own origin. Thanks for making this eclipse 🙏

Never let ragoozer cook again

There was an update in June that prevents voidwalker bounties showing up on players who hasn’t reached power 10 on any slot before, I think this should be moved up to either a higher power or unlocking/winning a game in chime.

I think for 1-3 Star Bounties (and maybe 4 Star Bounties) the system where you get rewarded and TP'd out for KNOCKING the target would be best, but for 5 Star Bounties I think they should still require a grip to complete.

When Voidwalker first came out and I got it on day 1 I was legitimately disgusted on how op it can be for not only just killing people, but basic traversal too. Just the fact that you have a hub world you can teleport to is amazing enough.

Eclipse has turned to a deepwoken RU-vidr and I love it

Bro you guys did me dirty in the conclusion clip LOL, that 2v1 messed me up. I had NO idea it was you. I think the suggestions you made for voidwalker are great though, keep up the good work!

you can uppercut people with ctrl+m2, this makes it so that move that would originally move your character forward (like lightning blade) becomes true as it will not rely on your movement while in the air

I think making voidwalkers teleport to the voidheart after knocking the bounty would drastically impact the content creation community, since most of the youtubers like supaa,valekis and basically all of them make voidwalker progressions where the key part about them is the jumpings they deal with, they generate views from this, they even state that they specifically target big groups for the video to not be boring. Also I think the developers are trying to combat the "voidwalker superiority" with giving deepbound players access to ALL the shrines and the Call of The Deep item, also Lone Warrior origin lets you interact with the Shrine of Solitude inside of the Trial of One.

Im a pve player, and it really annoys me that when i try to grind, i have to constantly be on lookout and watch for VW. Ive already lost a slot to them. Sadly since the deepwoken community is genuinely very toxic and immature, its impossible to talk about these issues. I also have very below-average reaction time & with me being terrible at pvp? I don’t even have a chance against a VW.

would genuinely like these changes because people just log or run away and i am no exception

They should follow dark souls's invasion matchmaking system where you cannot hunt anyone who is above or below a certain level range of you. And of course, a voidwalker cooldown after being attacked by one. However, you could also use a spears-of-the-church style mechanic where the voidwalker is buffed depending on the number of allied targets near their target, sort of a boss raid mechanic.

I think when Archmage and the other people who worked on voidwalker released it they expected most players to be able to fight back because of some (or most) people coming from the game Rouge lineage and the skill required to play deepwoken since you have to parry and dodge as well as other various things, so I do understand as to why they didn't think voidwalker would be a problem considering killing people and fighting was way more common back in verse 1 of deepwoken when the luck mechanic was still an important feature before the removal of it in verse 2

I really liked eclipse's solution to the voidwalker problem, but i must add that bounty chests are pretty bad by themselves, which is why voidwalkers usually only pick player loot bags, if eclipse's solution gets approved ( which has a good chance of being) they must buff the bounty chests and to also remove ''trash'' items from the loot pool. which would make it more worthwhile especially if the loot is tied to power which i certain bount chest aren't, and it must have a larger if not exponential xp reward for voidwalking bounties. which would make it possible for pve voidwalking, but makes players wanting to pvp a no brainer.

A good incentive would be to make a medalion type system, where a knocked player can have their “essence” sucked out of them when knocked. (Essence being xp from events used to level attributes)

hey eclipse would you make a persona(3, 4 or 5) game review? You use a lot of persona music and i would like to know if u even played the games, or if you did whats your opinion about them.

One of their most recent "fixes" for voidwalkers being hated is the ability to hunt other voidwalkers, that one really feels like the devs were like "okay fine they can kill eachother shut up"

There’s also another big issue where voidwalkers can take bounties on other void walkers inside the void heart, you get jumped, get them low, just for them to run to the teleport and get away for free cause you can use the teleport while player tagged

this was a very well made argument, all of your points were explained well & made sense. You’ve even changed my mind on some things that I looked over before. It really does suck that a game with this much potential is on roblox, I’d love to see them change it for the better but we all know it’s not gonna happen

they should make it so when you are gripped by a void walker that is hunting you you dont go to the depths even if your stained just like how if a contractor kills you in the depths it always sends you to layer 2 instead of wipe.

I reckon they should increase the exp gained from bounties even more than they have, since the topic at hand mostly affects players on the lower power range, the faster the void walker gets out of their threshold the less they get killed, with the added fact that you need less kills to begin with. Progressing as a void walker is extremely painful at times because as you said, people either run or insta log making the time it takes to max a build be 1.5x even 2x the time for a pve player to max if we're talking power alone, on the other hand I think they should increase the reward you get for gripping a void walker since right now you get like, old yeezes and broken airpods as a reward for a fight and practically just wastes your time. Overall good video, agreed on most points but disagreed on some, for example saying that all void walkers are far better at pvp than most might be a stretch, since most of them obtained the origin by overpowering someone far weaker than them, I swear some void walkers play worse than a paraplegic grandma. P.S that fight on the vigil training ground got me cringing dawg, I was so immersed on how amateurish the fight was that I had to rewatch the segment cause I zoned out and didn't hear what you were saying. was hilarious, good fight

About the town guards. While normally yes they barely help you during fights there is strength in numbers and if you have the talent "Bodyguard Detail" every single guard in a large area runs over to defend you from an attacker As for the health packs voidwalkers only get it if they were tagged by the guards and not the player if they are player tagged (indicated by their skull turning red) they get no health from npcs

Eclipse do you plan on playing more dw. And possibly turning it into a series once all the main issues are sorted out? (The ones you encountered)

Once you become max level, you should be able to take bounties as they are in place rn, cuz I feel like what eclipse said is to solve the progression aspect and not the permadeath aspect

glad to see someone who actually has a sense of game design and how to keep a community healthy talk about deepwoken, ngl… most deepwokeners are 12 year olds with no concept of “casually playing” because they havent touched grass in weeks

13:11 they dont get healthpacks, you only get a healthpack if you havent been combat tagged

I think as a voidwalker, or just in general there should be some kind of anti gank comeback mechanic, like in For Honor with it's revenge.

my thoughts on the origins: deepbound: awesome, love the concept and now that chains exists its not too bad, i just kinda wish getting specifically to power TWO was easier (requires for chains and air dash), finding mobs can be a pain too, maybe a way for deepbounds to quickly return to castle light while already in the depths like voidwalkers' voideye ability to return to voidheart voidwalker: i generally agree with the video, though i think letting the voidwalker get the kill without taking a life would be better since you would get loot, get to keep up the fight if it was a bigger fight, and get some of the player's loot which imo isnt a big loss... lone warrior: i want it to be buffed in some way cuz it kinda blows in terms of features but im not sure how castaway: it sucks but i feel like its almost a necessary suck where its so that new players can get into the game without being overwhelmed by to1 difficulty, depths risk, or pvp fights

I hate voidwalkers so much Ive changed my entire progression to sea based content to instantly fix my reputation with them and never encounter a single voidwalker ever again.

voidwalker depths trials are harsher due to the amount of "drowns" they have. When you kill a player or wipe them and see their soul being dragged to the depths you get a drown, the more drowns, the harder the trial. That was a way to make it so people stopped wiping low levels back in the day which was a really big problem, its not limited to just voidwalkers, they just got more drowns normally cause of their progression

MORE DEEPWOKEN CONTENT LETS GO!!!!!!!!!!!! the freshie killing bit in the video had me dying, but also felt really bad for them lol eclipse should do a pvp guide when he feels confident about his skill

The only town that is really safe is etris since the ninja guards have a shit ton of HP but then again, their spawn is inconsistent and you can cheese about any humanoid NPC in game with ranged mantras and bells, i dont even know why other towns dont have some type of elite guards, they tried to do that on the deepbound spawn but the guards there feel so weak that they die to average depths mobs.

i feel like voidwalker bountys should have a playtime requirement. i have had a few friends quit the game due to them just playing the game for a total of an hour to get jumped by 8 voidwalkers within the span of 30 minutes. They should have like a 24 hour total playtime requirement, where if your account or maybe even slot has less than 24 hours total in gametime, then voidwalkers cant attack you. this would make progressing for new players less annoying as they wont have voidwalkers jumping them the second they get to like power 6

As far as the consequences go, I think you should still be able to kill the victim as a voidwalker. They should just make it so your healthbar can't be stained from a voidwalker, and you can't be sent to the depths from them either.

i love it eclipse know does deepwoken content i have been waiting so long

Is this the Eclipse Deepwoken saga? I'm glad to see you take interest in the game.

I think the requirements should be heavily reduced. but the consequences still the same

The big issue I see with this is that you didn't really tell what the debuff of whoever got knocked would be. You obviously want it to be not so punishing, but what's stopping a person from just letting themselves get knocked because they know they won't get gripped?

Voidwalker was kinda the solution to missing something that old Deep had: an insentive to overworld grip. Pre layer 2 had luck, and you only increased this through killing other players. This meant that to get good cards, you needed to fight. Luck was removed however, so to keep overworld PVP alive, voidwalker. I tihnk the devs want to always have some form of overworld pvp, probably a mindset leftover from rogue lineage.

someones probably said this somewhere in comments already but my idea for obtaining voidwalker was that you should have to complete one bounty from any faction and then talk to the guy in the voidwalker ship. it only makes sense since the whole origin is based on bounty hunting and just one bounty isnt as annoying as 15 random kills. the bounty would have to be one that you would be able to grasp to if you were a voidwalker (so theyd have to be a similar power level) and oath shouldn't matter. if the devs want voidwalker to be the one origin thats difficult to obtain then they can increase the amount of bounties needed or add more to the requirements for obtaining it (such as needing positive rep w/ knives or maybe needing to do one bounty for every faction, stuff like that)

The deep is CALLING you eclipse my beloved

My problem with the game is that it feels like the game jsut wants me to stick to the safest path since with how punishing and time consuming each death is any "Experience" i might have gained doesnt matter compared to all that i lost, the game is too punishing for me not to develop a strategy that minimizes time spent outside of safe areas

thank you for covering this eclipse, it's important you next cover how to fix blox fruit pvp balance 😃😃

deepwoken pvp is supposed to be risky arguement when i show them chime and battle royale gamemode

Fun fact: in deepwoken's lore, the knives of eylis (the faction voidwalkers beling to) are just a mercenary guild (albiet quite a mystical one), that means voidwalker was specifically made to be so annoying.

2:05 also void Walker obtainment was based around deepwoken developers past game rogue lineage where basically it was so unbearably hard to progress and so easy to lose all that progress you could see people genuinely cry about dying tears and all.

Eclipse, i bought deepwoken on release never played it again due to the hard beginner progression, is there any tips or perhaps a tutorial you can make? Im probably asking for too much

You got to make video about how annoying the silentheart oath is in this game (it’s brain dead but pros say it takes “skill”)

Eclipse is the only person who takes a look at the whole problem unbiased and figures out a solution to that problem. Thats only is fair to both parties. Keep up the good work man!

Honestly, great idea. Fits into the lore pretty well, and I'd actually enjoy being a Voidwalker.

my take on the alternative for gripping is this; Instead of gripping you, the voidwalker uses a new item called "Voidmother's Hunger" (or sum like that) and once they use that its kinda like a reaper but instead of killing them they get teleported back and the rewards are already in their inventory (gripping the player that you have a bounty on would do the animation for the item instead of gripping them so there is no way around it) and once they do that, the player that got hunted has a debuff that will only go away from in-game time, meaning they have to be in-game for a hour for the debuff to go away, and the debuff could make a bar of their HP voided. (meaning they cannot heal that bar and its never able to be healed until the debuff is gone)

Glad you talked about this, I am someone who has a decent amount of hours as a voidwalker and must I say it is annoying for everyone involved, the amount of time server hopping to get bountys to teleport to someone and get 3v1ed or see them log instantly just isn't worth going voidwalker and the lowed exp you gain for all pve events makes the mid to end game of the build actually take hours of work if you decide you don't want to fight people stronger then you to get the exp you need to level up the only reason I still put myself through that is to get the tacet murmur(it requires 5 bounty kills) for the singular mantra it gives you(I like it personally but I with 100% certainty can tell you it isn't worth going voidwalker for)

Why is this guy so new to this game but is lowkey the most logical player with the most professional way of fixing problems? Like i hate voidwalkers but if they couldn't grip me i wouldn't mind.

You just need the Blox Fruit team with "kill five snowmans" to fix it!

The epic battle through the entire video is amazing

Wait till he learns about ministry rep💀

an idea i had to expand on this is after the downing instead of killing bounty system is implemented, maybe gripping the target needlessly would give you a little less exp than if you spare them? that way if your target is low level/new to the game and you think they really wont have anything useful on them you can leave them alone and get some extra exp, vs if your target is high level you can trade that extra exp for a chance at some good loot via gripping them.

The drain idea is honestly very good idea and kinda fitting for the lore too. Unfortunate, the apple doesnt fall far from the tree The dev done did made most of the voidwalker a sadist and they probably gonna kill anyway even if the target is drained.

so i have this idea for an update for deepbound. once you escape the depths once, you obtain an updated version of call of the deep, that lets you travel freely between the depths and the surface, as long as you dont get drowned

2:36 nobody really does that because: 1. they already have the origin 2. they kill farm alts 3. they kill farm their friends

i think the ability to communicate with devs on a game that has hope alone will make Eclipse end up loving this game

It's great to see that you're actually playing the game! I'm a day 1 player and it's always nice seeing new people enjoy the game, keep up the good work! I totally agree with all your points, personally I haven't even unlocked voidwalker out of spite...

Hi eclipse could you possibly make a video on titan warfare? Just gameplay or something like that I hate seeing one of my favourite games not get any attention from people.

the life drain system you proposed would also help voidwalkers alot, i cant tell how many times i've had my loot stolen from OTHER voidwalkers who did not help in the bounty and just leech on the rewards. collecting in the voidheart would be a lot better

Cool video overall, but the only thing I have to say is about the section where you talk about making dying to voidwalkers less punishing, it already isnt punishing at all if you have basic knowledge of the game, in the early levels if you die to a voidwalker > power up > you only lost like 3 minutes of your time (Or no time at all if you set yourspawn using a guildbase, which not everyone has but still) and probably no loot of value, if you get sent to depths, sure its the place where you POTENTIALLY could lose your build, but realistically?, you can just walk over to depths trial and be back on the surface UNSCATHED in 5 minutes if you just know how to beat a sharko.

I think the perfect debuff would be "Void Drain" It basically removes your soul and it gives insanity at night, to remove it, find knives of eylis vs etrea ship event, talk to the NPC inside of the ship and then walk in the magical bubble, talk to Eylis to remove your flaw, but you will have to get a void walker contact with her, basically that's a debuff and an obtainment

refreshing seening the complaints and struggles newer players have

I feel like that the changes with void walkers not being able to hunt newer players that archmage mentioned at 14:21 ( the not being able to be hunted at lower powers than 10) would more screw the void walker over, because the main form of xp for us is taking bounties, even if we do to1 and get to like level 6-8, we still have to farm bounties to progress later in the game. At that point, you either farm people at power 10 and get very low xp with a greater risk of dying as they likely have much better loot than you, and are overall more powerful, or farm people with a drastically higher level than you, and that mostly results in a death as its pretty hard to kill a dude with endgame gear that does a 1/5th of your health each hit. I think a great solution for both void walkers and normal players is to increase the xp gain from lower stars, but simultaneously make it harder to farm those lower stars, since most of the time they will be much less experienced than the void walker, the extra difficulty for the void walker to successfully get the bounty should balance it out, along with higher xp gain for the void walker actually giving an incentive to farm bounties in the first place.

Eclipse, I think you are right about some points, but at the end, it’s all because of new players. The new player experience is bad, and needs a massive rework. But I don’t think you really thought about how it would be when an average player plays against an average void walker. Now that fight is fair, and deserving. I think you are right about the new player experience and that it needs to be changed, but the average player experience it’s fine

No one tell him about contractor oath progression

Voidwalkers don't have outright harder depths trials, but they drown more often and drowns make trials harder.

By the way, voidwalkers can accept bounties on other faction bounty boards and still use Grasp of Eylis to teleport. So make it so that ALL grasp of eylis bounties end like that. Additionally, if the voidwalker is player combat tagged, they cannot healthpack off the guards. The guards are also very, very fucking annoying to a voidwalker.

Actually, as someone who has never progressed in any of my 6 slots without voidwalker, we experience many issues just as unfair. Don't forget to address the teaming, the logging, the running, and the teleporting a voidwalker somewhere that they either have to climb or mountain and jump down or next to a gang of npcs waiting to attack.

I think if the voidwalkers just don't remove you one of your life after they grip you, this can be completely better

I'm hoping to continue to see more deepwoke vids. I really like your takes

I really hate the danger thing. Sometimes, you’re in the depth in combat with a random creature and the internet connection fails, resulting in the loss of all progress

Eclipse has somehow so much power of speech and I don't think he or we realize that these recent deepwoken videos will impact the game. This is actually awesome

to someone who just started playing deep (you) i dont think you have a say in it

the freshie you gripped at 3:41 was me 💀

I think it should be that when you pick them up you have to put them in a place (where they cant get up) and then there life force or whatever gets drained so that that persons friends can come and rescue them and the voidwalker can also defend him from them. Making it kinda a stall battle. I think that would be really fun

As someone with around 100+ hours playing Voidwalker, more often than not you're server hopping to find a server where you can actually teleport to someone. When that server is found, however, is where the actual problem surfaces. Freshspawn Voidwalkers often end up fighting people 2x their level and then get third partied for being a Voidwalker, and while this is a community thing, I do genuinely think that Voidwalkers should be buffed to do more damage depending on how many people are currently attacking them. Adding onto that Life Siphon thing, I don't really understand how that will change the run-log-fight dynamic of seeing a Voidwalker spawn on you. Think about it, you're in an area populated by monsters and hear a Voidwalker. (as the life siphon mechanic has been added) I'd be more likely to leave the game if I'd be temporarily debuffed and lose all of my hp just knocked on the ground. I'd much rather be gripped at that point. Just make it so Voidwalkers can't target new players who just bought the game. Besides, there are no pure PVE players in this game unless they're new or horrible at playing Deepwoken. I like Voidwalker as-is, though I do agree it could be significantly better in terms of mechanics. Anyway, fight the Voidwalker. It's not that deep. Can't press F?

bro has never heard about rogue lineage

what if the voidwalker who is hunting you cant send you to depths if he grips like you cant lose you last life for a voidwalker that is hunting you

11:09 theyre only harder if you end up going to the depths by dying too many many times. deepwoken has a system called drowns (going to the depths by dying) if you have more drowns your depths trial is harder

you should use your crit more

Deepwoken

alr now that you talked about voidwalkers, you should also check out the oath called contractor (note that it was even worse on release) gl buddy

One thing is that the devs are working on more origins for certain factions which will fix the lack of interesting origin issue