Defending Calvinism: Total Depravity 

I was raised that you ask God into your heart. When God revealed to me that I had nothing to do with Him redeeming my heart I was a wreck for weeks. And I am not exaggerating. I spent weeks studying the scriptures to find out what the Bible said because there is not way I had nothing to do with my coming to Christ. In the end, the Holy Spirit gave me an amazing peace and reassurance that God chose me and I had nothing to with choosing Him. I was a wreck again for a while and completely humbled God would choose me. I can’t even put into words the grace I felt and still feel to this day. I don’t deserve Him but He chose me. Why? I don’t know but I’m so thankful He did. Loved when you mentioned pride being the reason why we think we have something to do with our salvation. I had been trying to figure out the words to describe that for a while now but will remember this.

The other day I was reading my Bible and came across this passage in 2 Kings 19:25-26 where God is speaking through the prophet Isaiah to king Hezekiah, “Have you not heard that I determined it long ago? I planned from days of old what now I bring to pass, that you should turn fortified cities into heaps of ruins, while their inhabitants, shorn of strength, are dismayed and confounded, and have become like plants of the field and like tender grass, like grass on the housetops, blighted before it is grown." God has made His plans and He will bring them to pass. He is in charge and we are not. Great show today, brothers! Soli Deo Gloria!

You guys are spot on here!!! May God be merciful to his people!

Wonderful episode. I grew up Arminian (UMC mostly), but now my family and I are checking out a PCA church. I've found that Calvinist theology makes the most sense when dealing with certain passages, but there are aspects I've never been able to wrap my mind or my heart around. I appreciated your thoroughness and especially your tone in this episode. A lot of Calvinists can be rather snooty when explaining their theology, but you guys kept it respectful and humble and compassionate while at the same time confident. That blessed me so much it almost brought me to tears toward the end. I want to believe what's true, whatever that is. If it's Calvinism, then glory to God! I'm looking forward to the rest of this series!

This was a really impactful episode for me today. Thanks guys for helping me grow. I've been leading a recovery group and working to get it in line with God's word more. It's been a challenge but you guys have really helped me to grow in my faith and understanding through God's word so that I may be well equipped to help others. Open to suggestions! In fact, I welcome them!

TIMESTAMPS: 4:10 -for skipping the Ezra Institute ad 10:00 -continuing the Calvinism discussion 12:31 -today's topic is Total Depravity/Inability or Radical Corruption (with ad for the ion layer) 20:00 -Why do you believe in Total Depravity? Why is it important? 27:50 -"Well I agree with all that and I'm still not Reformed" (response) 28:35 -Where this issue arises in church history 37:30 -The Calvinist term explanation (not about the guy John Calvin) 39:46 -Scripture passages and stuff 48:08 -Honestly representing your opponents (addressing claims of "it makes men robots" "why pray if God already determined everything") 52:35 -More Scripture: God brings the dead to life 1:04:30 -When Christians hate this doctrine 1:12:03 -What if you grew up being told you were a piece of garbage? Are you still depraved when you're a Christian? (importance of being clear on our new identity) 1:16:30 -Even your stupid prayers will be made acceptable in the throne room. What a comfort. -Followed by closing Scripture passage (John 6 I think)

I don’t understand why people are against this it makes sense to what they are saying. And they’re not explaining scripture to their own idea the scripture seemed pretty self explanatory. there are people who love to hate god and they will probably refuse him all their life.

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Well done gentlemen, fantastic series.

Before Arminians comment “Stop following Calvin! Follow Christ!” Show me one spot in this video where Jeff Durban quotes Calvin instead of Scripture.

Thank you JD and David. As a pastor that was bivocational and now full time, every single minute serving must be unto Jesus alone. Sinners still sin, Christians sin, people will always hurt you unintentionally and intentionally. If it’s all for Christ they cannot touch you.

Come on guys, read it in context, I don't consider myself a bible expert buy any means, but when I read Romans 8:7 its clear what its talking about, from verse 5 it states those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the spirit set their minds on the things of the spirit, the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the spirit is life and peace, then further on it says those controlled by the flesh cannot please God. Its simply saying if you live by the flesh you will set your minds on things of the flesh, in other words don't love the world or worldly things, live by the spirit, don't be controlled by the flesh, there's nothing in there that says you don't have the ability to repent.

I really like apologia, I've been blessed by their content. On this episode it seemed like Jeff hardly got a word in.

Early on in my journey there were several authors that gave clarity on these issues of grace. I had been a Christian for a few years and was challenged one day by a friend. He was Episcopalian and attended a liberal church (a redundant statement). We were discussing the church where I attend, a PCA congregation, one of the oldest actually, and my friend was saying to another friend, who was at that time a Russian Orthodox, he (me) goes there but he doesn't believe all that Calvinist stuff, do you?. I said I don't know, I'd not thought about it as it's not something that is constantly discussed like Apologia does. So, I began to investigate and compare what is being said in the name of God to the Word of God. The Word says this and that, but how does that compare to what is being taught here versus what I learned growing up Baptist and Methodist, and popular Christian literature. As Dr. White says, I had to take the tradition lenses off. I started with Duane Edward Spencer's little book TULIP, which compared the Calvinist soteriology to the Arminian system. But what about this "free will?" Martin Luther took care of that in the diatribe against Erasmus. I found in my church library The Plan of Salvation by B.B. Warfield, which I highly recommend if you want to see a comparison from all spectrum of theism, from the primitive to the debated supralapsarian-infralapsarian divide. Dr. Warfield made a great matrix as well. A thing I found interesting is his analysis that anything less than a monergistic soteriology is, at the base of it, a works salvation. He and Luther make this point: to the extent that salvation depends on a human choice, the human is the fulcrum upon which the entire salvation and work of God is balanced. Erasmus said free will is a small thing, a still small voice if you will..no,.sir! If Erasmus is correct, It is THE thing upon which all of history is turned. If true, it is not God's will that prevails, but man's. Free will, in autonomous terms, is anti-biblical and not logical. Just consider, it would be impossible to reason that God knows all things future and determines the ends from the beginning if, at any moment, creaturley free will among any one of his creation could upend His plans.

Great conversation. Glory to God

If the content is free, and open to everyone then why do folks need to sign up for yet another account on yet another website to access the information?

I came to Christ kicking and screaming, from alcoholism mainly, but other stuff as well. God made me want to repent. He made me want to submit. Without Christ I was sunk. God used the wickedness and horrors of this world to make me repent. My friends say “You did it. You defeated it all”. They can’t see the spiritual side of things, and all I can do is tell them about the Grace of God. I can show them my life has changed, but they just think what a deluded fellow I am. Very depressing. The thing I sometimes stumble over is why God allows sinners to be born at all. Is it because God allows the will of Man to bear fruit, to multiply because that’s just what he wants to do? I hope those too young to decide but old enough to die, in wars, abortion etc will get into heaven. I’d appreciate your thoughts on this.

I am in 100%agreement on these topics! I am the .0001 % here in Michigan that does and i have zero like minded friends to share with! I am literally a judgmental a hole due to lack of agreement!

The bible doesn't seem to think that we are totally deprived, infact it keeps calling us to do the very things they (calvinist) say we are incapable of doing. Over and over calling us to have faith calling us to repent. Yet calvism says we don't have that ability. It's contradictory.

Excellent work, guys.

Im actually rather glad that these guys encourage people to value church history, even though they constantly give tainted complements to the saints, if their viewers ever dive into the fathers they may very well end up Catholic or Orthodox like I did

Tfs. This episode has been so helpful. Downloaded.

Hey Jeff and Zach, I've enjoyed watching your recent videos on Calvinism. One thing that stood out to me in this conversation was when you brought up the analogy of the lion who attacked the woman. Jeff you made the point, and rightly so, that if someone asked "why did the lion do that?" -- the answer is obvious... because it's a lion! But, would we condemn the lion for its actions? Do we charge lions with evil when they simply do what their God-ordained instincts naturally drive them to do? Of course not. You won't find a lion standing on trial for the crime of being a lion and acting like one. Why? Because that's just what it is! It can't be anything other. It can't help but do what it does and cannot choose to do otherwise. The lion ate the woman because that's what lions want to do! But if this is being applied to the condition of fallen man, then how does this not excuse the behavior of the totally depraved from wrongdoing in the same way it excuses the lion? Of course the totally depraved sins because it is their instinctual desire to do so... just as the lion eats human flesh because it is their instinctual desire to do so. How is the totally depraved any more blameworthy than the lion? Are they not simply acting out their God-ordained desires and instincts just as the lion is? You emphasize that fallen man is blameworthy because when they sin they are doing what "they want to do." Again, is not their desire and instinct just as determined as the lions? Why do they desire what they desire? Because God ordained it to be so, just as he ordained what the instinct of the lion would be. My point Jeff and Zach is that I think by paralleling the condition of mankind with that of instinctual beasts you are unavoidably but certainly eliminating the blameworthiness of the sinner. In fact, I think this makes the sinner a victim of their God-ordained nature. If the lion was brought to court and condemned to an excruciating demise (as the totally depraved of Calvinism will be), then certainly we should see that lion as being a victim in the situation just as much as the woman that it killed. What else could the lion have done other than what it did? The lion that is put to death for its actions is in many ways just as much deserving of our pity as the woman that was killed by it. How can it be charged with "wrongdoing" in any legitimate or meaningful way? It cannot. This is why we don't describe the lion's actions as "sinful" or "blameworthy," unless we entirely redefine what sin and blameworthiness mean. So my question is... How is the totally depraved sinner any more blameworthy than the lion? And again, the fact that they act on what they desire is not an answer or solution, being that their desires are equally ordained by God as the lion's.

If you can explain how, in your doctrine of Total Depravity, did God speak to Eve, Adam, Cain and they all heard Him? If we are, as you teach, unable to hear God, seek Him then when did Total depravity begin? Noah? Actually, Noah heard God and began to build the Ark, etc..

Is the first 40 seconds important to the topic? Just ask because the audio cuts out for 20 seconds between 0:20 and 0:40

Learning so much. Thank you!

Elijah commanded the dry bones to live. Did they choose to obey?

2Peter 3:9 says, "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise...not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." Most don't; God's will is NOT being done. John 7:17 says, "Anyone who CHOOSES to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God..." Joshua 24:15 says, "...CHOOSE for yourselves this day whom you will serve..." Genesis 2:16-17 And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free (you can CHOOSE) to eat from any tree in the garden..." Deuteronomy 30:19-20 says, "...I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now CHOOSE life..." There are MANY more verses where we are offered a choice. God says I have put before you life and death, CHOOSE life. So while God does predestine some things, in other things we are given a choice. It's like a University predestines they are going to have a football team next season, but it is up to the free will who will decide to try out for the team.

Awesome episode! 🤯

In Jeremiah 7 God says, "People built places to sacrifice their children (in fire) to foreign gods, and He (God) says, "I did NOT COMMAND this, nor did it enter my mind." So, who do we believe, Jeff Durbin, RC Sproul, James White, John Piper or God Almighty and His Holy Word, the Bible?

YOU GUYS ARE DOING YOUR OWN WILL

This was great.

How does God choose who he will save, if nobody wants God and everyone loves darkness and everyone are children or wrath how does God choose who to give a new heart too.

Calvinism and Islam have many of the same doctrinal attitudes. They worship the same spirit.

Thank you.

Sooooo much question begging. The hosts are presuming Reformed anthropology, reading verses, and then pronouncing the Reformed teaching “just what the Bible says”. This is a rhetorical fallacy and a problem. Especially because they don’t even make an attempt to deal with any competing claims.

No more big christian channels for me. Small channels only

Great podcast

Evil and false doctrine 🙇‍♂️

The doctrine of total depravity is truly wicked. How were men of the Old Testament able to live righteous and pleasing lives if they were not capable of making good decisions themselves?

The reason Calvinism exists is because people want to keep sinning yet have ASSURANCE of salvation as well. It is man centered. Which is why they deceptively chant about God's sovereignty all the time. There's guilt. The gospel is something we STAND IN. Every promise in scripture is conditional. And, the condition is where man has agency and accountability. Calvinism completely removes the FEAR of GOD which is the very thing needed to unlock the secret of the LORD and His Covenant. God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.

I think Limited Atonment will be the most interesting podcast in this series. I think the L and the T kinda hit around the same area. Calvinists think that a men are totally depraved because they don’t seek for God. That doesn’t mean men can’t respond to a God that seeks for men. Also Calvinists think that God choosing us means we automatically respond to his choice. God can choose us and we not choose him back. People who respond to the pull of God aren’t evidence that the people who don’t respond were never chosen.

Ephesians 3 comes after Ephesians 2.. that is what I called a inability sandwich😮

Can you guys do some stuff on marriage and being a husband, that kinda thing? Homeschooling and being a godly father. Protestants seem to be lacking on this front while the famous catholics are leading the charge there. Pints with aquinas and lila rose and that. We need good reformed voices on this. Maybe I'm unaware of ones that exist but it doesn't seem to be present as far as I can tell.

Sorry I gotta pause this video to go find this lion vs lady video

I don’t think that this can be labeled a great conversation unless there is someone with an opposing view of scripture that is there in the conversation. I am have been just exploring this the last month or so and there are reasonable rebuttals to all of that was spoken here.

Amen, until I believed the Doctrines of Grace, I didn't understand that all of us have the same seed of wickedness as the worst criminal on Earth and that we would all be baby raping cannibals , if not for God's restraint.

Just reading Ezekiel chapter 33 alone, blows up Calvinism. Paul reiterates this same message in Acts 18:6. Wake up people, read your WHOLE Bible, not just certain verses taken out of context. The Old Testament Prophets blow up Calvinism, like a bomb.

John 6. The ones that the fathers draws and gives to the Son are the one’s that heard and learned. It is right there in the text. This is 120 minutes video and this was not even address or even quoted. Neither are all the scriptures that imply that grace is available to all, which there are many. Neither are reasonable rebuttals discussed. I hope that those that are courting Calvinists are also flirting with other view points. I am actually a big fan of this channel but just not this part of it I suppose. I like a lot what apologia does.

Durbin defending his own cult. Durbin will never change.

Paul said in his flesh dwelt no good thing. Yet in his mind he wanted to serve the Lord. The context is his life under the Mosaic Law (see logical flow of Romans 7). So man is not totally depraved. He just is drawn to sin and the Law makes it worse.

Man I really wish these guys would be honest with Scripture. When they talk about John 3 that the condemnation is light came into the world and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil, why don't they continue to verse 21. Is it because they know it shatters the conclusion they're making or are they truly just not aware that the passage in context doesn't support the theology they've been taught and they've decided to cherry pick verses that support their preconceived notions. When Jeff talks about Romans 3, again, amen that none seeks after God no not one, but it's what he concludes by that statement without the plethora of examples throughout the new testament that disregard his conclusions that matter when were making doctrinal dogmatic statements. We know from James etc. that if anyone does the whole law but fails in one point he is guilty of all, and we see unregenerate people all through the old and new testament having faith counted to them as righteousness (Abraham in Romans 4 for starters, but Hebrews 11 for more comprehensive examples). So why would we read into romans 3 that every decision everyone has ever made is completely from evil motives, when we read through the Gospels and Acts and see the opposite. The pharisees were given over to evil which is why Jesus speaks to them as such, but was that true for the disciples, or the centurion with greater faith than all in Israel. Even better, all the examples of those who were called a "just man" before the Spirit and regeneration were given (Joseph Matt.1:19; John the baptist Mark 6:20; Simeon Luke 2:25; Cornelius Acts 10:20). These people had not fulfilled the law nor sought after God completely for sure and were not perfect, nor perfected but the blood of Jesus which hadn't been shed yet, but man especially in the case of Cornelius it's so clear these guys are confused by "Christian" philosophies rather than proclaiming what the scriptures really teach, and anyone willing to test these teachings even a little bit shouldn't be led away by these winds of doctrine that have led to so much division in Christ's Body over the centuries. It's sad there's a market for these seeds to flourish. May God richly bless those who do seek Him in Spirit and in truth!

Amen

Fallen man's goodness is no good in the eyesight of God. Isa. 64:6, as you have previously stated. There is no man apart from God that is good. I put the question to many in the comment section, asking after reading three verses , Jer.13:23, Jer. 17:9, and Isa. 64:6, is there any part of mankind that is not affected, or untainted by the fall, or inception of original sin? The answer to this question is no, but many people are preaching , " Jesus loves you just give him a chance type of stuff. Jesus called us evil he didn't bite his tongue. Matt. 7:11 , " If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him ? Matt. 7:17-18. The teaching of the good tree and bad tree is a good example of mankind , v.17. " Even so every good tree bringeth forth, good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. v.18. "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

Take it for what it is! This man tries with diligence to provide a solid biblical foundation, using the real true word of God! We can easily nitpick human characteristics. Jeff Durbin is human i.e. as yourselves! Trying to find someone that speaks truth is nearly impossible these days and you all have nothing but better things to do but bicker amongst each other nitpicking someone that is doing something good! Why can’t you go nitpick Taylor Swift or even T.D. Jakes or Andrew Wommack perhaps! Joel Osteen perhaps! These men are charlatans/blaspheme the word of God! Go fix whats broke! You can’t fix truth! It will not work out well for you!

Love God with all your strength, mind and soul but we don't; only Jesus did. We love him because he loves us. Our love is conditional. His is not

I. Total Inability By total inability Calvin meant that a lost sinner cannot come to Jesus Christ and trust Him as Saviour, unless he is foreordained to come to Christ. By total inability he meant that no man has the ability to come to Christ. And unless God overpowers him and gives him that ability, he will never come to Christ The Bible teaches total depravity, and I believe in total depravity. But that simply means that there is nothing good in man to earn or deserve salvation. The Bible says in Jeremiah 17:9, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked." A preacher brought a wonderful sermon on the depravity of the human heart. And when he finished his message, someone came to him and said," I want you to know I can't swallow that depraved heart that you preached about." The preacher smiled and said, "You don't have to swallow it. It's already in you!" While the Bible teaches the depravity of the human race, it nowhere teaches total inability. The Bible never hints that people are lost because they have no ability to come to Christ. The language of Jesus was, "Ye will not come to me, that ye might have life" (John 5:40). Notice, it is not a matter of whether or not you can come to Christ; it is a matter of whether or not you will come to Christ. Jesus looked over Jerusalem and wept and said, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem . . .how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!" (Matt. 23:37). Here again notice, He did not say, "How often would I have gathered you together, but you could not." No. He said, "Ye would not!" It was not a matter of whether they could; it was a matter of whether they would. Revelation 22:17, the last invitation in the Bible, says, "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely ." If it is true that no person has the ability to come to Christ, then why would Jesus say in John 5:40, "Ye will not come to me." why didn't He simply say, "You cannot come to me."? The only thing that stands between the sinner and salvation is the sinner's will. God made every man a free moral agent. And God never burglarises the human will. D. L. Moody addressed a large group of sceptics. He said ,"I want to talk about the word believe, the word receive, and the word take." When Mr. Moody had finished his sermon, he asked, "Now who will come and take Christ as Saviour?" One man stood and said, "I can't." Mr. Moody wept and said, "Don't say, 'I can't.' Say, 'I won't!'" And the man said, "Then, I won't!" But another man said, "I will!" Then another said, "I will!" And another said , "I will!" Until scores came to trust Christ as Saviour. Some Calvinists use John 6:44 in an effort to prove total inability. Here the Bible says, "No man can come to me except the Father which hath sent me draw him...."But the Bible makes it plain in John 12:32 that Christ will draw all men unto Himself. Here the Bible says, "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." All men are drawn to Christ, but not all men will trust Christ as Saviour. Every man will make his own decision to trust Christ or to reject Him. The Bible makes it clear that all men have light. John 1:9 says, "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." Romans 1:19,20 indicates that every sinner has been called through the creation about him. And Romans 2:11-16 indicates that sinners are called through their conscience, even when they have not heard the Word of God. So in the final analysis, men go to Hell, not because of their inability to come to Christ, but because they will not come to Christ-"Ye will not come to me, that ye might have life." The teaching that men, women and children are totally unable to come to Christ and trust Him as Saviour is not a scriptural doctrine. The language itself is not scriptural.

Those who deny their own Total Depravity is affirmation of it working in their heart in their Adamic nature. Thats why ones ontological nature must be changed in the new birth, then, and only then does the elect son of God realize just how deprived he was and is dependent only on the effectual grace of God.

Please stop defending the undefendable God bless you brother's

John 3:34 says God gives the Spirit with no measure. There is NO limit to who He will give the Spirit to. 3:36 whoever believes the Son has eternal life, whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God wrath remains on them.

I have to admit, the NAD commercial really turned me off. I've never heard of this. And $500 a month?! Who can afford that?! Not anyone I know! If there was a "fountain of youth", why is it not common knowledge? Why is this not being offered in hospitals as a normal part of any medical treatment? Why isn't it being passed around in old folks' homes and rehab centers?

How do Calvanists explain Paul distancing himself from sin in Romans 7? Also how do they explain the goodness of Creation and David saying that he was created in his mother's womb . . . perfectly. Also, is there a distinction between good and perfect? Might God have created things good and not perfect?

The non reformed are blinded to the fact that when they claim that a spiritually dead sinner can come to Christ, in that state, they call Jesus a liar.

Did he said (Jeff) that he has never read Calvin?

2 things. No one in the entire Bible was ever predestined to hell…pharaoh and Judas had nothing to do with salvation btw and acts 17:26-27 destroys total depravity. God put us on the earth to seek him and grope for him because he is not far from any of us…

Sorry but people who practice Calvinism, have a bad habit of saying, "if you backslide, you were never saved in the 1st place." Last I checked, no human can see inside another person's mind and how sincere that person was when they were born again. Only God knows that, so Calvinists can go sit down somewhere, and keep their self righteous opinions to themselves.

I was a Mormon and now am a Born again Christian. I enjoy his ministry to the Mormons.. But I didn't realize he was a Calvinist

What does NAD stand for?

Hey I’m not sure if these questions are answered in the video, and I’m seeking genuine understanding and not an argument. How does the belief that no man has free will not make God the author of evil? If I don’t have free will would that not mean God is choosing to make me sin, and then sending me to Hell for it? I bet this is probably a common rejection to five point Calvinism, so if anyone could explain this to me I’d appreciate it.

Calvinism is a cult.

Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 King James Version 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. King James Version (KJV) Bible Book List Font Size Passage Resources Hebrew/Greek Your Content Galatians 1:8-9 King James Version 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

So does God regenerate people BEFORE they hear the gospel?

Calvinists are constantly accusing people of misrepresenting Calvinism, of not knowing what Calvinism “REALLY IS” of engaging in straw man arguments against their doctrines. I think that most “Calvinists” aren’t REALLY Calvinists. They don’t even know what “Calvinism” is. I’ve studied Calvinism, and for the most part, those who are against Calvinism have properly represented it. I think that many people who call themselves “Calvinists” haven’t studied much about Calvinism. They probably heard a passionate sermon from James White or Jeff Durbin or John MacArthur. Then they put their theological “stake in the ground” and say, “I’m a Calvinist." how ever, there are some Calvinists who have studied Calvinism and know what it teaches even though they don’t like to talk about the “bad side” of Calvinism. They “hide it” and only talk about it when someone presses them on the issues. Or when they engage in words like, “free will”, “sovereignty”, “author of sin”, etc. the following quotes are from John Calvin’s book, Institutes of Christian Religion. If you can’t agree with Calvin on these issues, then you should not call yourself a “Calvinist” and if you can’t call yourself a Calvinist, then make all Christians aware of what TRUE Calvinism really is so that they don’t become Calvinists. “But those who, while they profess to be the disciples of Christ, still seek for free-will in man, notwithstanding of his being lost and drowned in spiritual destruction, labor under manifold delusion, making a heterogeneous mixture of inspired doctrine and philosophical opinions, and so erring as to both.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 15, Paragraph 8) “Creatures are so governed by the secret counsel of God, that nothing happens but what he has knowingly and willingly decreed.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 3) “We hold that God is the disposer and ruler of all things, -that from the remotest eternity, according to his own wisdom, He decreed what he was to do, and now by his power executes what he decreed. Hence we maintain, that by His providence, not heaven and earth and inanimate creatures only, but also the counsels and wills of men are so governed as to move exactly in the course which he has destined.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 16, Paragraph 8) “thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5) “The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, nay unless in so far as he commands, that they are not only bound by his fetters but are even forced to do him service” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11) "We call predestination God’s eternal decree, by which he compacted with himself what he willed to become of each man. For all are not created in equal condition; rather, eternal life is fore-ordained for some, eternal damnation for others.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 5) “…we say that God once established by his eternal and unchangeable plan those whom he long before determined once for all to receive into salvation, and those whom, on the other hand, he would devote to destruction…he has barred the door of life to those whom he has given over to damnation.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 7 “Therefore, those whom God passes over, he condemns; and this he does for no other reason than that he wills to exclude them from the inheritance which he predestines for his own children.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 1)) “I admit that in this miserable condition wherein men are now bound, all of Adam’s children have fallen by God’s will.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 4) “But since he foresees future events only by reason of the fact that he decreed that they take place, they vainly raise a quarrel over foreknowledge, when it is clear that all things take place rather by his determination and bidding.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6) “The first man fell because the Lord deemed it meet that he should.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 8) John Calvin was not a “great man of God," or a “great theologian." In fact, I don’t think that he was a Christian at all. John Calvin might have been a Christian at one point in time, but not when he wrote any of the above nonsense. The “god” of John Calvin is not the God of the Bible. The Calvinism of John Calvin is NOT “Christianity." Hopefully now, all of the “Calvinists” out there can see exactly that Calvinism was not misrepresented. the Calvinism of John Calvin was properly represented. does a “Calvinist” must agree with Calvin on EVERYTHING in order to be a “Calvinist”? No. BUT he must agree with him on issues concerning salvation, if you are going to call yourself a “Calvinist” -issues such as predestination, free will, sovereignty of God, etc. If you aren’t willing to agree with the above quotes from John Calvin, then stop claiming that people don’t understand Calvinism, are misrepresenting it or are straw manning Calvinism.

Excuse me, while I agree with majority of your teachings when you are quoting scripture, I do not agree in defending Calvinism. You are defending religion. Defend God’ Word it is the truth cover to cover, no Calvinism required. When you start following mans teaching of what God requires you just took a wrong turn. Everything and I mean everything you need is in God’ Word.

"For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot." - Romans 8:6 ---- There is no reason to take this as a "total depravity" proof text. An analogy which I think explains what Paul is communicating here... The hand set on the water is hostile to dryness. It is not dry, indeed, it cannot be. What is being described is the natural, unavoidable outcome of a hand that is set on/in contact with water. It will unavoidably be "wet" and incapable of being dry inasmuch as it continues to be set on water. This says nothing about the ability or inability of the hand to set itself somewhere other than on the water. It's simply stating that it's impossible for a hand, inasmuch as it is in a certain condition (set on water) to be anything other than wet. In the same way, a mind that is set on the flesh will unavoidably be hostile to God and unable to please him - inasmuch as it remains in that state. As a hand that is set on water cannot be dry inasmuch as it remains set on water, so also a mind that is unbelieving/leaning on its own understanding/set on the flesh cannot be righteous or do righteousness inasmuch as it remains in that state. The inability here relates to the "outcome" produced by the place on which the mind is set. This however says nothing about an inability to set the mind on one place or the other and I believe that is the confusion that takes place in this passage for the Calvinist. It's a bit of a category error really. Because the bible says the natural result of A is an inability to do B... therefore the bible teaches we are unable to do A. This is a confusion of the passage. Romans 8:6 does not teach total depravity.

It is more imperative to defend the Gospel than it is to defend Calvinism or Arminianism, which are tertiary to the questions of “How are we saved” and “How do we then live”? I am not advocating an enlightened. “third way“ that usurps the conversation either.

Moments of virtue, motivation for the broken, consolation to the wicked, deprivation to the sinful, reparation to the good. This vessel is at the mercy of the sea, throughout the voiage it tries with might to get inside. It's beams repellant, it's systems secure, with ballist it rides on an knives edge, balanced in a boyant dance, it sails unto a void precipice. Only preserved by hand unseen, less it's pulled asunder.

I checked out Ion Layer. If I stop buying gasoline and groceries, I might be able to afford it for a couple months.

If there is no free will, did God make Satan bad? Or did he choose to turn against God? And how about the angels that followed Satan? Why were some angels good and some bad? Are you blaming God for sin?

Mind boggling how the Church cannot believe how a Calvinist comes to the understanding of the soteriology they come to and how an Arminian comes to that understanding. I can see how they get what they get from Scripture. Brothers and sisters, come on now. I would like to point out that our brothers here did not represent an Arminian view I lean to. I think what was critiqued was a Finny type of Arminianism. There’s also Wesleyan, Classical/Reformed, a modern one like Calvary Chapel etc.

Jeff, can you confirm if John Calvin believed and taught that our Lord Jesus was the archangel Michael ? If so, do you agree?

I get why we want to put Sovereignty at the beginning, don't get me wrong. But if you put it at the end you still have a real word 😐

John MacArthur 83, me 62 , Chris Rosenbrough 50's , you 45 , Joel Webben , 38 , Colin 27.

I love Apologia. Rather than go over scripture that supports Calvinism, how about going over the scriptures that are used to dispute Calvinism and expound on those. I am an hour through so if they hit on those verses later then nvm.

Is Calvinism the Bible?

Total depravity doesn't equal total inability. Calvinism isn't biblical.

Can a calvinist clear this up for me Jeremiah 32:35 “And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.” Seems like you have a complete power of free will to me also I love how “Calvin” is a 5 point calvinist all the way but these dudes are 2,3,4 the dude your holding to would completely disagree with you

"Rome... pulling it out of a hat.." Sorry, but Jesus was an Israelite, a Hebrew, a Jew. The "pulled out of a hat" items usually looked at with misunderstanding are Jewish in origin because, being like our Lord Jesus, we celebrate in the Jewish tradition, just a post-messianic Jewish tradition instead of a pre-messianic tradition. That is where a lot of the ceremony comes from in "do this in memory of me" in the Roman rite is from the Jewish traditions of Shabbat and Passover. That and we follow closely Christs final words, and command, to the beloved disciple as He was on the cross.

Calvinism - Arminianism Trinitarianism - Unitarianism Republican - Democrat Each of the above is the same bird having two wings. The truth is a completely different bird.

What is Provisionism? The terms Provisionism and Provisionist are new by the standards of Christian theology. These labels have only been formally defined and used in the past few years. In broad terms, a Provisionist-someone who holds to Provisionism-holds a generally Arminian view of free will and salvation, with notable differences such as positive belief in eternal security. The main gist of Provisionism is the idea that the gospel is the Word of God, which is sufficient in itself, through the power of the Holy Spirit, to enable a response in all who hear God’s appeal to be reconciled to Him (John 6:63; Hebrews 4:12). The clearest differences between Provisionist doctrine and classical Reformed theology are seen in the concepts of total depravity and limited atonement. The doctrine of total depravity suggests all people are inherently sinful, such that they could not even want to be saved without a direct, predestined act of God. Provisionism counters that all people are sinful and responsible for their sin, but they are also responsible for answering God’s universal call for men to be saved (Titus 2:11). Limited atonement is a doctrine teaching that Christ only died for those God had designated as the elect. A Provisionist would reject this, saying that the Bible teaches that Christ died for all people (1 John 2:2), which is why God promises to save any who come to Him in faith (Romans 10:11-13; Revelation 22:17). The Provisionist holds that Christ genuinely desires all of humanity to be saved (Luke 5:32; 19:10; 1 Timothy 2:4-6; ). In effect, this means a Provisionist would also reject other Reformed doctrines such as irresistible grace. The main use of the term Provisionism comes from the writings of theologian Leighton Flowers. The term is also meant to describe the general approach to salvation held by most Southern and Independent Baptists. So far as Reformed doctrine is concerned, this means narrow disagreement on the subjects of total depravity and limited atonement, as well as the exact meaning of words like predestined and elect. Similar to the TULIP in Calvinism, Provisionism can be summarized with the acrostic PROVIDE Responsible: Able-to-respond to God’s appeals for reconciliation. Open door: For anyone to enter by faith. Whosoever will may come to His open arms. Vicarious atonement: Provides a way for anyone to be saved by Christ’s blood. Illuminating grace: Provides clearly revealed truth so that all can know and respond in faith. Destroyed: For unbelief and resisting the Holy Spirit. Eternal security: For all true believers.

Name of the Song?

I love a lot of what this channel brings other than the false teachings of John Calvin. Follow Jesus Christ, not John Calvin. I pray that Pastor Jeff opens his heart to the truth and not be stuck in a position just because he has defended it for so long.

Faith is not a work.

I heard on recent video , oh? Calvinism , AUGUSTINE IS A GIANT? Joell Webben did interviews on giants and nephillim

Why? What is the big push for such an unnecessary concept even for?

What about Enoch? He pleased the Lord so much that He escaped death!

Calvinism is a different gospel. If you're following Christ, and the Bible is your authority, why would you need Calvinism? Are you following God's Word, or mama word? Someone told me Calvinism is the Bible. Think about that statement. Should tell you something.

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Guys. Please leave Calvinism. Stop digging your feet in by defending it.

Joel Webben did videos on giants and nephillim, totally obscene