Is Calvinism True? Limited Atonement 

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Its not great calling this "the doctrines of grace," because its not the only way to understand God's grace at all.

Only limited to the elect 👍🏼 👍🏼

So if I’m locked in a cell I can do all the choosing I want , I ain’t getting out till someone lets me out.

@@Terrylb285 yes sin is a cage we’re in til we die. Whatever faith one has, Christ will never cast out.

Sproul knows better now.

I love R. C.

And what are we to conclude from this?

2 Timothy 4:3-4

Yes he will, for sure, presenting his Flesh-o-gesis contortions.

@@ManassehJones youre just angry. Who hurt you?

Does anyone know where LF stands on abortion, LBGTQ or W.o.F movement ? I just know he hates James white and Calvinist.

@TheKingJames lol truth, I got a 3 1/2 hour on McGrew courtesy of the boys and Leighton Tulip 🌷 Flowers

You are right to get a headache. Calvinism believes God determined all things. It determines who will and will not accept Christ. And God decrees all the sin every man and woman will commit. Then will send the person who commits sin, per God's decree, to Hell for eternity... This is *Not* in the pages of scriptures.

​@@biagiomaffettone1497read her comment again. She wasn't confused by Calvinism but by the simple foreknowledge armenianism view of salvation.

@Zaloomination *Yeh, So ? I want to make certain to clear up any confusion she may have of Calvinism.... So Tell me. Where in the Bible does God predestine people to Hell and Heaven ? It is not in Romans 9, so where is it?*

@@biagiomaffettone1497 despite what you mistakenly believe, Romans 9 is but a tiny sampling of the vast tapestry of scriptures across both testaments that support God graciously choosing to regenerate and adopt some rebellious sinners and passing over others.

@ination *We both believe that God is sovereign. And can accomplish his will. You can not claim those events for your own. If you do you are delusional. So, if I am mistaken then you should easily provide evidence that God does decreed some for Heaven and much more for Hell. So, save your Calvinistic rhetoric and provide unmistakable proof..... Why do you Calvinists want to send so many people to Hell ??*

Good ad hominem.

@@davidbeiswenger60 I dont think you are using that term correctly. I am merely stating an observation not insulting anyone.

@@WinkenSmile It sounded like you implied those that didn't track with this video were dealing with pride. I accept your point, but I think it is inaccurate. Thanks for clarifying. My response was confusion when I usually find these guys very clear on other matters.

Funny and ironic then how its usually the calvinists that have problems with pride then, isn't it?

Calvinism is the opposite of motivating. It keeps men in sin because God does it all. There's nothing you can do to change your fate. That is hopeless if you're not a chosen one. Cmon

I do not think they will change his mind. Only God because Leighton is so stubborn and does not want to hear the truth.

@@ryanhart3159 My Friend, what truth is he not wanting to hear??

@@biagiomaffettone1497 the truth of the doctrines of grace.

@@ryanhart3159 Can you show me which verses talk of Limited Atonement?, Irresistible Grace? and Unconditional election.. Without using mans philosophies Give me the truth

Precisely my point always. I don't see how God giving man the ability to reject or embrace Him somehow destroys His sovereignty. If anything, it makes it more beautiful that God knows all those choices before you even make them (without forcing you down a path), and still manages to fulfill His will regardless of all the appearance of "chaos" to us humans. With this atonement thing as well, even going back to the sacrificial law before Christ, forgiveness of sin requires an acknowledgement of said sin by the people being atoned for. God can choose to just outright pardon sin that is unrepentant if He wills it, but the most common and accepted criteria for forgiveness is repentance. Jesus did die for the sins of everyone which is why it is a gift. The only requirement to accept said gift is a surrender to Him and acknowledgement that you even need the gift in the first place which requires laying down your pride and boastfulness. That is why it isn't some kind of work that falls under the category of boasting as well, if you're boasting about how great you are for recognizing how wicked you are and in need of God's saving grace you are, then you're already contradicting the idea of saving faith and repentance in itself. Everything explained above is 100% within the realm of God being perfectly sovereign and in control of everything from your repentance all the way to your salvation and doesn't even contradict the sovereignty of God in the slightest in my understanding of what God tells us. God 100% has the ability and the power to just outright force people to do anything He wills, but out of his perfect holiness and justice, He gives humanity the ability to choose Him or sin. From the garden to today it is still that same choice. If there wasn't a choice there wouldn't have been any need for the tree in the garden. To say God forced that rebellion upon Adam and Eve would be to accuse God of orchestrating and forcing man to sin through puppeteering Satan which is a common atheist arguing point that I find impossible to defend with a purely 100% Calvinist theology. Don't get me wrong, I think a purely 100% Arminian view of scripture is heresy. I think Calvin was right about almost everything, I just think he took it a bit too far to the point that it contradicts other points of scripture too much and even lead to making God the originator of sin itself just for the sake of hyper-focusing on what the word "sovereignty" means. As if giving humanity a choice to love or reject Him means He isn't in control of all things anymore or doesn't have the power to force humans to love him somehow?.. God's love is perfect. His justice is perfect. God's holiness is perfect. God's sovereignty is perfect. All these attributes mesh together, no need to hyper focus on one as greater than any other to the point where you're contradicting His other beautifully perfect attributes just for the sake of trying to hold together a proposed idea that is likely mostly correct.

First, we need to define what free will is. Secondly, I fail to see any Scriptural warrant for having to make room for autonomous human will. In fact, Scripture seems to suggest the exact opposite. One of the key themes we see throughout Scripture is God changing the heart of man in order to accomplish His will. He places certain motivations and intentions into man's heart, such that it wills to accomplish God's divine purpose. Salvation is no different. I don't even see how this point can be considered debatable.

@@heartofalegend you are conflating God making some things happen with Him making ALL things happen. Scripture most certainly suggests free will by asking us to choose between two paths. Example is ezekiel 18.20The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. Much more in the chapter but this destroys the assertion that I am subject to Adam's sin plus it shows we can choose which path, NOT be a slave to whatever nature we have

@@heartofalegend this verse here paints a clear picture Ez18:30“Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways,” says the Lord God. “Repent, and turn from all your transgressions, so that iniquity will not be your ruin. 31Cast away from you all the transgressions which you have committed, and get yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. For why should you die, O house of Israel? 32For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,” says the Lord God. “Therefore turn and live!” Have a great day, brother

@@rocketsurgeon1746Yeah. Hosea also speaks in similar language. The Bible speaks of humans going against God's will constantly. God allows it to happen out of love. Preserving the ability for humans to have a choice so that love is actual love while still having complete control over His Will and plan. This paints a much more beautiful picture of just how sovereign God is than simply just God forcing every human hand (including sin yikes..) as simply as just writing a storybook and having all the actors play it out. God could absolutely do that and does have that power, but the bible seems to be clear that God allows rejection to bring out His glory in the devotion of the ones who love Him. All in all, I find it much more beautiful and amazing that God manages to bring forth His plan regardless of people trying to go against it all the time. It's much more amazing and impressive of Him than simply pushing around pawns in a predefined fully scripted storybook.

wrong. He does not elect salvifically. He elects for a purpose. Jesus died for ALL. only calvinists change the meaning of ALL and the WHOLE WORLD

@rocketsurgeon1746 so He paid for the sins of all ?? If so, all will go to heaven because all sin has been paid for even the sin of unbelief. Anyone for whom Christ has died and paid for their sins God will not judge. So you believe universalism, which is unbiblical.

​@@rocketsurgeon1746only non-calvinists ignore context when it comes to ALL and WHOLE WORLD. The johannium corpus alone uses the term "kosmos" at least 14 different times and never it is rarely used to mean "every single person who has lived and ever will live."

@@isaiahanddakotamartinez7730 read the Bible. 1 john 2:2And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. read it for yourself and stop listening to calv only teaching

@@6.0hhh what context when it comes to Jesus dying for ALL? 1 john 2:2, 1 peter 3:18 and many others

Well in that case it is certainly limited. It’s limited by how righteous the person being offered salvation is. You’re saying it’s unlimited in its offer but limited by the knowledge, intellect, information, and righteousness that each person has. Even if you think everybody gets the same exact chance (which they obviously don’t considering that probably 10’s of thousands of native Americans and many other people groups have died without ever even hearing the gospel) it would still come down to them making the right decision. Which is the definition of righteousness. Obviously it feels good for us to feel like we made a better decision than everyone else but the truth is that I would have used my freewill to reject Christ forever and ever just like everyone else who affected by sin including the fallen angels. Your view is that people are kind of bad and when God offers salvation, some make wise decisions, some make poor decisions and some never even hear the gospel. My view is that all of humanity is so wicked and depraved that they hate God to the point of eternal rejection no matter how many chances He gives us. But out of love and mercy He removes the hearts of stone out of a number as innumerable as the sand on the seashore and gives them a heart of flesh. (Ezekiel 36) Beyond that it is His holy and just right to condemn whom He wills and have mercy on whom He wills. He doesn’t even offer salvation to the fallen angels and I don’t see you up and arms about that. They’re sinful creatures just like us. Do you think satan has enough good in his heart to love God if he so chooses? Of course not. God doesn’t force us to be evil. But He is sovereign over even His sinful creatures and can give them new hearts if He pleases. We’re in no position to make demands.

@@quinnpeterson2716 woah dude, I was only arguing against the false dichotomy presenting another option found in Scripture, never did I say if it is what I believe or not. At least address the issue before assuming and creating your beloved strawman 😅 triggered much I see. All I know is we are meat puppets moving for the -entertainment- glory of a supernatural being who just made some of us to live, enjoy life in sin only to be thrown hopelessly into the deepest parts of hell. In our lifetime we will hear about how He died for some around us but we should know better that to hope in that so called “gospel” cause hey, that Jesus didn’t atone for many of us. So even though Scripture says that God makes His appeal through preachers, and even though I may hear that so-called “powerful gospel” it is not powerful enough to give us faith. Heck, your so called “gospel” doesnt even let me know if I was chosen or not to be saved so, I guess… I am…? I mean, I feel like I am. But then again I could devout my whole life to your Calvinism and in the end I could be a reprobate only living under an evil delusion created by your God to use me so He could save His precious elect. In the end, why would you care about what I say or respond? I’m just a meat puppet living to entertain your God who may or may not care about me. I mean, I don’t know. Do you know if your God cares about me? Do you really know if He sent His Son to die for me and atone for my sins so I could be saved? Do you love me?

@@quinnpeterson2716 interesting, it seems someone didn’t like my response to you cause it all got erased. No worries, here goes again. So, it seems you got triggered from my response cause I only was arguing against the false dichotomy and included a third option which seems to be consistent throughout the bible. I never mentioned or wanted to imply what I believe, you simply assumed. At least address the issue I pointed to before you state your deal. Still, I don’t know why you would even be bothered by anything I say. All I know is that we are meat puppets living to -amuse- glorify a supernatural being who just puts some of us to live a whole life of sin only to be thrown hopelessly into eternal damnation because of the conditions He determined for us to live in. But funny thing is that we will hear of a so called powerful “gospel” that seems to not be powerful enough to give faith to the mayority of us. So most of us should just ignore it cause it’s not really for most of us, only for the few -special- elect people. The other hilarious thing is that I may think I’m reprobate but there is no way for me to know for sure. I mean, I could dedicate my life to your gospel but that wont make me any more righteous if I was not one of the -special- elect people. The funniest of all things is that even though God uses preachers to spread His message to everyone and as the Scriptures say “make His appeal through [them]” for all to be saved, He doesn’t seem to love us all or atone for all of us which kind of seems like a shady thing to do but hey, “who am I, oh man?” 😅 So this all brings a couple of questions: Why do you even care about what I respond? How do you know if I am saved or reprobate? Could you sincerely tell me that God loves me? Would God let me be burned in damnation for eternity if He loves me? Do you love me?

@@quinnpeterson2716 interesting, it seems someone didn’t like my response to you cause it all got erased. No worries, here goes again. So, it seems you got triggered from my response cause I only was arguing against the false dichotomy and included a third option which seems to be consistent throughout the bible. I never mentioned or wanted to imply what I believe, you simply assumed. At least address the issue I pointed to before you state your deal. Still, I don’t know why you would even be bothered by anything I say. All I know is that we are meat puppets living to -amuse- glorify a supernatural being who just puts some of us to live a whole life of sin only to be thrown hopelessly into eternal damnation because of the conditions He determined for us to live in. But funny thing is that we will hear of a so called powerful “gospel” that seems to not be powerful enough to give faith to the mayority of us. So most of us should just ignore it cause it’s not really for most of us, only for the few -special- elect people. The other hilarious thing is that I may think I’m reprobate but there is no way for me to know for sure. I mean, I could dedicate my life to your gospel but that wont make me any more righteous if I was not one of the -special- elect people. The funniest of all things is that even though God uses preachers to spread His message to everyone and as the Scriptures say “make His appeal through [them]” for all to be saved, He doesn’t seem to love us all or atone for all of us which kind of seems like a shady thing to do but hey, “who am I, oh man?” 😅 So this all brings a couple of questions: Why do you even care about what I respond? How do you know if I am saved or reprobate? Could you sincerely tell me that God loves me? Would God let me be burned in damnation for eternity if He loves me? Do you love me?

@@quinnpeterson2716 interesting, it seems someone didn’t like my response to you cause it all got erased. No worries, here goes again. So, it seems you got triggered from my response cause I only was arguing against the false dichotomy and included a third option which seems to be consistent throughout the bible. I never mentioned or wanted to imply what I believe, you simply assumed. At least address the issue I pointed to before you state your deal. Still, I don’t know why you would even be bothered by anything I say. All I know is that we are meat puppets living to -amuse- glorify a supernatural being who just puts some of us to live a whole life of sin only to be thrown hopelessly into eternal damnation because of the conditions He determined for us to live in. But funny thing is that we will hear of a so called powerful “gospel” that seems to not be powerful enough to give faith to the mayority of us. So most of us should just ignore it cause it’s not really for most of us, only for the few -special- elect people. The other hilarious thing is that I may think I’m reprobate but there is no way for me to know for sure. I mean, I could dedicate my life to your gospel but that wont make me any more righteous if I was not one of the -special- elect people. The funniest of all things is that even though God uses preachers to spread His message to everyone and as the Scriptures say “make His appeal through [them]” for all to be saved, He doesn’t seem to love us all or atone for all of us which kind of seems like a shady thing to do but hey, “who am I, oh man?” 😅 So this all brings a couple of questions: Why do you even care about what I respond? How do you know if I am saved or reprobate? Could you sincerely tell me that God loves me? Would God let me be burned in damnation for eternity if He loves me? Do you love me?

If the intention is to only APPLY the atonement to SOME, then why have Christ die for the others? For what purpose?

No, Jesus said “all who the Father gives me” will come to him and that the Fathers will is that of all he has given him he should lose nothing. He then said he dies for his sheep in John 10 and that his sheep hear his voice and follow him and tells those not believing “but you don’t believe because you are not of my sheep”. Because, as Jesus said in John 6:65 “No one can come to me unless it has been granted him from the Father”. Trying to explain away predestination and election to where it gives the sovereignty of salvation to men is as silly as it is futile. Luke made it even more clear in Acts 13:48 when he said of those being saved “and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed”. God’s doctrine of election is all throughout scripture. Jesus died for his Bride, his sheep, the ones given to him by the Father. Just as he teaches us and the Fathers will is that Jesus loses none of them. He has not and he will not lose a single sheep that the Father gave to him..Unlike the Arminian belief that Jesus loses most of the people he died for.

We also know that when Jesus says “all who the Father gives to me will come to me” he isn’t only talking about his disciples because they had already came to him..but it would be a silly statement if he was only talking to the crowd about 11 people. “All who the Father gives me will come to me” that also proves irresistible Grace.

@@heartofalegend That’s a fair question, and I don’t know if scripture explicitly answers it, though I think some texts may provide implicit information… maybe to make 2 Corinthians 5:18-20 possible? Maybe that since God desires all to be saved, He made a way for all people to respond to Him by faith? I think there are several available possibilities, but I’m trying to be open to what the entire canon says about the nature of the atonement… and it appears the application is limited (John 6:37; 10:11,15; Matt 7:21-23) rather than the extent (1 John 2:2; 1 Tim 2:5-6; 2 Peter 3:9) when all the biblical data is accounted for.

@@shawnglass108 With your words, you’ve demonstrated your understanding within this conversation is elemental. I believe in election and predestination, though it’s likely I understand these doctrines differently than you… also, I’m not an Arminian. There’s wisdom to be found in understanding someone’s perspectives before critiquing them. (I say all this with respect and brotherly love 🙏🏼)

wow

It may "be written" but how do you explain the names of those who take the mark being "blotted out of the Lamb's book of life"? (I assume you know where to find this passage) that is a clear cut demonstration of a person making a choice that damns his otherwise saved soul.

@@lalonguecarabine4952 Revelation 13:8 refutes that point because it says all whose names were not found in the book of life from the foundation of the world. The crux of free will and Calvinism hinges upon whether the writing of the names beforehand were pure election or foreknowledge of man's free will or a "hypostatic union" of the two.

@@lalonguecarabine4952 Nope don't know where to find this imagined verse. If you know where it is please cite it cause I can't find it. I find some that says their names were not found, or I will never blot out.. but where it say He blots it out. Except in Psalms 69:28 which says: may they be blotted them out.. but that has nothing to do with the mark. I do not believe God writes a name in the Lambs book of life and then blots it out, and have found no evidence that He does. So if you know where to find it please let me know. If you cannot then your argument is moot. If you are going to make an argument like this you really should verify what you are saying is actually supported by scripture.. just a suggestion of course.

The most straightforward, simple yet technical definition of saving faith as described in the Bible I think is found in Hebrews 11:6, "Now without faith it is impossible to please God, since the one who draws near to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him." So, saving faith requires: 1. Believing God exists. 2. Believing that if you seek Him, then He will reward you will His grace. 3. Seeking Him. Every person who sought Jesus in the Gospels and was told that their faith saved them, they all demonstrated this. We must respond to the gospel of Jesus by seeking God in belief of who He is and what He will do, then we will be saved. Simple. And it's a free choice available for anyone and everyone. God wants to save everyone, but some aren't willing (Matt. 23:37).

@@bilboswagginz2808 Where not the people who followed Jesus in John 6 seeking Him? Yet in the end they all departed except the 12. Since grace is unmerited favor you have made it merited by putting a requirement on it. If God didn't draw those He has chosen none would seek Him as they all love their sin more than God. If Jesus wants to save everyone why did He say he prayed not for the world for for those the Father chose out of the world? John 17:9 If your will is free why did Jesus say if you stay in His word you will be made free? John 8:31-36 The Jews who claimed they were free where living under the heel of Rome at the time. They like you only imagine themselves to be free. If you have saving faith, did God bless you with it or did you conjure it up all by yourself? According to my bible it is the gift of God and not of yourself. Ephesians 2:8 Hope this helps you to reconsider your position on whether you have freewill or not. Also on whether you can conjure up saving faith without the Father deciding to draw you & granting you faith.

I became a Calvinist before I ever even read John Calvin or RC Sproul. So nobody can use that insult on me. I read the Bible, saw Calvinism. Then I came across John Calvin and other reformers and I was like oh wow I guess the way I see scripture is Calvinism.

@@maxmateush7090 reading 1 corinthians 1-2 really compelled me, it's so clear we can't choose God without the spirit

He believes there are non elect children... Do you believe him??

Still waiting for Durbin and White to offer an actual rebuttal to his objections

what strawmen are you referring to? let's discuss

Yea I keep hearing that those opposed to Calvinism have all these "strawman arguments" yet I haven't seen one example.

Proverbs 16:‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭16:4‬ ‭ESV‬‬ [4] The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble. ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:1‭-‬4‬ ‭ESV‬‬ [1] But now thus says the Lord, he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: “Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine. [2] When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned, and the flame shall not consume you. [3] For I am the Lord your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior. I give Egypt as your ransom, Cush and Seba in exchange for you. [4] Because you are precious in my eyes, and honored, and I love you, I give men in return for you, peoples in exchange for your life. What more do you guys want to prove GOD is sovereign and he does to HIS wills good pleasure. GOD has a plan and HE is providentualy doing it.

@@cassiebennet4262here's an example, the argument that in Calvinism man has no free will. This is a straw man, Calvinists do not believe we lack free will, but instead that in our fallen sinful state we cannot choose to do good, only evil. Unless God influences our lives we cannot do good. Now this position in Calvinism is not saying we have no free will but instead that our free will is automatically geared towards evil continually, what evil we choose to do is completely our choice. In our fallen state we can choose at least in some situations on our own not to partake in certain evil/sinful things if we are just not into it, but apart from God we cannot do good. God influences both the righteous and the wicked in order for us to do good. It's not that Calvinists believe we lack free will but instead that we lack the desire or the will to do good on our own, big difference!

Why doesn't Apologia invite Dr Flowers on the show.. The truth does not fear scrutiny... Flowers continues to invite all on his show..

Flowers still has an open invitation for Jeff to come on the show and respond, so you have that exactly backwards.

@@biagiomaffettone1497 James white is debating him in March, I’ll be there.

@@fisherhoward562 If James White brings in Calvinism into John 6 he will have to prove it... Or he will be accused of Eisegesis

@@biagiomaffettone1497 You people abuse scripture to say John 6 is only for the Jews or as some synergists say, only for the disciples. Which creates complete dung inconsistency throughout the rest of scripture. It’s only your provie folk who create eisegesis with this text. The irony 🤦‍♂️

if i had a dollar for every calvinist that said this :) answer, because God wants relationship with us. because He doesn't want any lost. He is love and wants ALL to repent and believe which is why Jesus was a sacrifice for ALL :) hope this helps

​@rocketsurgeon1746 So he wants this so badly but can't effect it's change? Also, scripture doesn't teach that God wants or desires anything from us as if we could provide something to or for him. It actually teaches the opposite, in fact. Acts17:25

@@caseycockerham3925 needs and wants are very different. psalm 149:4 for the Lord takes pleasure in His people; He will beautify the [b]humble with salvation.

@@rocketsurgeon1746 If "Jesus was a sacrifice for ALL" then we would all be saved. We know that isn't the case. Jesus is the perfect sacrifice.

@@bayardblack4930 we agree Jesus is the perfect sacrifice. Do you think it is possible for Jesus to be the sacrifice for ALL who accept the gift of salvation by believing in Him?

It literally describes predestination 😂

@@caseycockerham3925 Those who believe in God are the elect. God's plan was to conform every elect person into the image of Christ before the world was, through, sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ You state *"It literally describes predestination"* So where does it state that God; a) Will predetermine all things b) He will determine who goes to Heaven and Hell c) That the reprobate will never believe in God according to his decree Please Educate me

@biagiomaffettone1497 it opens by calling God's people the elect. The word means chosen. They were chosen by God, not that they chose him. He chose them according to foreknowledge. This means literally that he foreknew, according to his own purpose, who his chosen (elect) would be. This is predestination. If you're wondering when the timing of God's choosing took place, it corresponds to Eph1:4-5 and 11-12. Notice they were chosen according to the predetermined plan of the purpose of his will. 1st Peter 1-2 are just 2 versus. There not some exhaustive theological synopsis, but yes, they do teach predestination.

@@caseycockerham3925 1)“He chose them according to foreknowledge. This means literally that he foreknew, according to his own purpose, who his chosen (elect) would be. This is predestination” Yes, God is outside of time and space so, he can see the beginning and the end at the same time and every second in between. He is omniscient. Knowing something is going to happen is *NOT* determining it. So, this is not the predestination Calvinists claim. 2) If you're wondering when the timing of God's choosing took place, it corresponds to Eph1:4-5 and 11-12. Notice they were chosen according to the predetermined plan of the purpose of his will. Eph1:4 He chose us who are in Christ… to receive all the spiritual blessings mentioned. It does not say he chose some to be placed in Christ and then they would receive the blessings Also see Eph1:13 In Him you also trusted, after *you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation* in whom also, *having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise* They were sealed with the Holy spirit *After* they believed, not before as Calvinists claim. They first believed and then they were placed in Christ. *They freely looked to the Serpent and then they were saved* 3) “1st Peter 1-2 are just 2 versus. There not some exhaustive theological synopsis, but yes, they do teach predestination” I agree it is not an exhaustive synopsis an yet Apologia and other treat it as such. The only way it teaches predestination is if you pour in your own presupposition

@@caseycockerham3925 1)“He chose them according to foreknowledge. This means literally that he foreknew, according to his own purpose, who his chosen (elect) would be. This is predestination” Yes, God is outside of time and space so, he can see the beginning and the end at the same time and every second in between. He is omniscient. Knowing something is going to happen is *NOT* determining it. So, this is not the predestination Calvinists claim. 2) If you're wondering when the timing of God's choosing took place, it corresponds to Eph1:4-5 and 11-12. Notice they were chosen according to the predetermined plan of the purpose of his will. Eph1:4 He chose us who are in Christ… to receive all the spiritual blessings mentioned. It does not say he chose some to be placed in Christ and then they would receive the blessings Also see Eph1:13 13 In Him you also trusted, after *you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation* in whom also, *having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise* They were sealed with the Holy spirit *After* they believed, not before as Calvinists claim. They first believed and then they were placed in Christ. *They looked to the Serpent and then they were saved* 3) “1st Peter 1-2 are just 2 versus. There not some exhaustive theological synopsis, but yes, they do teach predestination” I agree it is not an exhaustive synopsis an yet Apologia and other treat it as such. The only way it teaches predestination is if you pour in your own presupposition

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Where do you get this in the Bible *“only those who were chosen from eternity to salvation”* ..

Catholicism is a Cult.

Oh boy yall are so far behind the curve....read Romans 9 homeboy....the commands and gospel are to resonate the Holy Spirit to your spirit...to condemn or to regenerate. Leighton Flowers...oi vai

Why does the judge sentence someone to prison and then demand they pay restitution without being able to pay?

2timothy 4:3-4

@@caseycockerham3925well obviously you are flattening our the multi diamond orb theology of the Bible. Once you see, sorry once God causes you to see, the 12 dimensional infinitely orbed truth then you will understand. Until then you just don’t understand calvinism. 😆

@CCiPencil very true 👍

Oi Vai...how bout you proof texts....

2 Timothy 4:3-4

@@jeffreyAferguson read the prior pronouns homes...in Greek it comes across as all kinds of peoples

Leighton Flower’s arguments against Calvinism is very poor. I used to be an Arminian and switched to Calvinism and the Acts 13:48 passage was the light bulb turning on for me. Then I listened to RC Sproul and found harmony with the doctrine and the proof text he referenced. I later listened to James White debate with Flowers on Romans 9 and Flowers failed to exegete the Romans 9 passage and instead argued from an emotional stand point without breaking down the chapter verse by verse. Flowers is not good at defending his doctrine.

@@haiasinosdnah0813 I'll have to check out the debate, what brought me over to calvinism was first reforming my understanding of free will, I had this libertarian understanding of freedom and once I shook that I was able to grasp the hermeneutics of reformed theology, systematic theology and covenant theology.

Wait til youre in heaven

@@PurePuritan see you there

So it really depends on if they choose Him?

Who are those that turn to him in humility and faith? Those chosen before the foundation of the world. Take heart brothers and sisters, he won’t cast off those who come to him for divine help. In fact, He ordains and promises it. How else could God promise such things to sinners? My God is in the heavens and he does all that he pleases. He works ALL things according to the council of His will; to the praise of His glorious grace!

@@ChristisLord2023read the book of romans. I believe that chapters 8,9 and 10 go into detail about this topic

@@ChristisLord2023 God's saves us by grace through faith... His requirement is that we have to believe to have grace poured upon us.. He demands it.. And he has given us the ability to chose... Deu: 30:15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, 16 in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. 17 But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them, 18 I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess. 19 *I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live*

@@joshuakuderik6874 God has given us the ability to chose... Due: 30:19 *I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live*

The whole world isn't a universal term. Read Romans 9. KJV oi vai

​@@user-bc2nr6rh1yhe's young in his faith. He isn't considering that people are already in eternity at this very moment. People that rejected God, people that had a chance to repent and chose not to.

I would actually read the Institutes, and understand Calvin would have been mentioned within the whole of church history regardless of this doctrine. His many commentaries as well as other writings are a vital part of historic Protestantism. Predestination was just such a small part of what he talked about.

Well if it's free will homes then infants are still damned....gotta choose right

Hate to tell you, but Calvin didn't come up with these doctrines

@@caseycockerham3925exactly

Rc Sproul said a 4 point Calvinist is another name for an Arminian. In other words you can't have Calvinism without all of the points.

Exactly!!!! This is what happens when people put theology before what God is actually teaching. Didn't realize these guys were Calvinist. It sad because he out right says "those verses aren't saying what you think they are saying." They have to plainly and openly deny God's word to support their heresy.

Nope...so God doesn't know the future...n all reality is a crap shoot....good Goin Deist

My brain might not be firing on all cylinders at the moment, but I don't see how that passage has anything to do with limited atonement or how it is a refutation of it. Would you please explain?

Everyone limits the atonement in some way unless you're a raging universalist.

@@1stCorinthians1.21 My premise pertains to the universal offer of salvation preached to the world. Matt. 24:14. If atonement is a limited “offer” this commission is construed incorrectly. The limiting factor is the person that commits blasphemy against the Spirit and refuses to remain in covenant with Christ. Adam and Eve removed themselves from covenant with Christ, but they had the opportunity to enter back in via the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the Gospel of Christ.

Not my will, but yours Father

And the best way to get someone to change their view is to provide a better one, one that accounts to scripture better than the Reformed view. It's just that people don't like Calvinism but don't have an alternative that they post drive by comments that say little of value.

Proof...?

How so ?

@@caseycockerham3925 -Calvinism & all 5 points of TULIP is a false doctrine and is also an enemy of Soulwinning. Jesus commanded us to win the lost on their way to hellfire. ➡ James 5:20 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. ➡ Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. ➡ John 11:25-26 king James- Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Calvinism is not the gospel, it is a systematic explanation of how the gospel works. Of course Calvinists affirm Peter's preaching

Very good point Brother

How do you know they didn't? Please tell me what this phrase means and exactly what they said if you can, if you were there. "Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house." Remember Peter agreed with the teachings of Paul and equated his teachings with scripture. And Paul certainly taught the doctrines of grace as did Calvin.

@@fuzzycounsellor9147 *You are right Paul taught the doctrine of grace. Calvin taught the doctrine of damnation. Where most of humanity is decreed to go to Hell before they were even born. And they have no ability to hear the word of God... My friend you need to reconsider your man made Theology*

@@biagiomaffettone1497 Just consider how many people lived and died without an opportunity to follow Yahweh before Jesus was born and even after....God chose 1 small family out of all the pagan families of the world, which became a tiny nation, out of all the mighty nations of the world. All those tens or hundreds of millions of people that lived and died without ever hearing about Yahweh. None of them had an chance to hear the word of God. Just think about that logically. Even after Christ was born and ascended, how many people lived without hearing about Jesus. You still have to deal with the fact that most people that have lived and died haven't had the chance to hear the word of God.

No amount of logic will ever convince the deceived of their deception. Just like salvation, it is solely the work of God. Pray for Dr Flowers.

@@bayardblack4930 What exactly is your objections on Dr Flowers ?

@@biagiomaffettone1497 Well, there is a great deal that I find harmful in his teaching on salvation. I think he is inadvertently applying human attributes on a God that exists outside of time, space, and matter resulting in the diminishing of God and the elevation of man. Most importantly his views I find most deceived reduce the perfect sacrifice of Jesus into something that requires a decision from man to be made effectual. So for those who follow his thinking on salvation matters, Jesus sacrifice is not enough. I think that those who take up this line of thinking are continually doing mental gymnastics to make God into something they can pallet, rather than trusting in an almighty God even when we don't understand the why.

@@bayardblack4930 1)(((Well, there is a great deal that I find harmful in his teaching on salvation. I think he is inadvertently applying human attributes on a God that exists outside of time, space, and matter resulting in the diminishing of God and the elevation of man. ))) We both agree that the Bible is the standard we have and this is what we need to look to. So we don’t have to worry about God being outside of time and space. To reason beyond what the Bible says is speculation. The “Human Attributes” you speak of are per what his word spells out. You need to be more specific on which attributes you are speaking of. 2)(((Most importantly his views I find most deceived reduce the perfect sacrifice of Jesus into something that requires a decision from man to be made effectual))) The choice of man to look to Jesus comes from the work of the Holy Spirit which has convicted him of his sin. But that does not obligate God to save him. Man can decide to do all sorts of things for God, But he does not have to reciprocate that action… Man looks to Jesus, as the Israelite looked to the Serpent on the cross. When he does so in faith God WILL save him. Man’s response to the Holy Spirit does NOT effectuate salvation. God does...... I hear this line of thinking from Calvinists and wonder if they really understand the other position. God has given us the ability to choose, as can been seen in many passages of the Bible, but that chose is not effectual. It is God’s requirement that we *have to choose* Due 30:19 and many other passages. God can give us the ability to choose and still be sovereign. Does this diminish God? Or does it only heighten his sovereign power? I say it proves how powerful he truly is. Yet man is not elevated. 3)(((So for those who follow his thinking on salvation matters, Jesus sacrifice is not enough. I think that those who take up this line of thinking are continually doing mental gymnastics to make God into something they can pallet, rather than trusting in an almighty God even when we don't understand the why))) Jesus’ sacrifice is more than enough. We are as useless as the Israelite in the wilderness, who had poison flowing through their veins moments from death. And we are told that if we just look to the serpent, we will be healed… Jesus, when less than 48 hours from the cross in John 3, points to us to this moment in time. Since the Bible is our standard then help me to understand where these Idea are found in the bible, because I don’t see them in the pages of scriptures: 1)The Idea, that God predestines people before they are born to go to Heaven and Hell 2)The Idea, That God determines everything, not one rouge molecule, evil, every action and thought 3)And why someone who goes to Hell does not have a perfect excuse before God?

@@bayardblack4930 1) (((Well, there is a great deal that I find harmful in his teaching on salvation. I think he is inadvertently applying human attributes on a God that exists outside of time, space, and matter resulting in the diminishing of God and the elevation of man. ))) We both agree that the Bible is the standard we have and this is what we need to look to. So we don’t have to worry about God being outside of time and space. To reason beyond what the Bible says is speculation. The “Human Attributes” you speak of are per what his word spells out. You need to be more specific on which attributes you are speaking of. 2) (((Most importantly his views I find most deceived reduce the perfect sacrifice of Jesus into something that requires a decision from man to be made effectual))) The choice of man to look to Jesus comes from the work of the Holy Spirit which has convicted him of his sin. But that does not obligate God to save him. Man can decide to do all sorts of things for God, But he does not have to reciprocate that action… Man looks to Jesus, as the Israelite looked to the Serpent on the cross. When he does so in faith God WILL save him. Man’s response to the Holy Spirit does NOT effectuate salvation. God does. I hear this line of thinking from Calvinists and wonder if they really understand the other position. God has given us the ability to choose, as can been seen in many passages of the Bible, but that chose is not effectual. It is God’s requirement that we have to choose. Due 30:19 and many other passages. God can give us the ability to choose and still be sovereign. Does this diminish God? Or does it only heighten his sovereign power? I say it proves how powerful he truly is. Yet man is not elevated. 3) (((So for those who follow his thinking on salvation matters, Jesus sacrifice is not enough. I think that those who take up this line of thinking are continually doing mental gymnastics to make God into something they can pallet, rather than trusting in an almighty God even when we don't understand the why))) Jesus’ sacrifice is more than enough. We are as useless as the Israelite in the wilderness, who had poison flowing through their veins moments from death. And we are told that if we just look to the serpent, we will be healed… Jesus, in John 3, points to us to this moment in time. Since the Bible is our standard then help me to understand where these Idea are found in the bible, because I don’t see them in the pages of scriptures: 1) The Idea, that God predestines people before they are born to go to Heaven and Hell 2) The Idea, That God determines everything, not one rouge molecule, evil, every action and thought 3) And why someone who goes to Hell does not have a perfect excuse before God? 1) (((Well, there is a great deal that I find harmful in his teaching on salvation. I think he is inadvertently applying human attributes on a God that exists outside of time, space, and matter resulting in the diminishing of God and the elevation of man. ))) We both agree that the Bible is the standard we have and this is what we need to look to. So we don’t have to worry about God being outside of time and space. To reason beyond what the Bible says is speculation. The “Human Attributes” you speak of are per what his word spells out. You need to be more specific on which attributes you are speaking of. 2) (((Most importantly his views I find most deceived reduce the perfect sacrifice of Jesus into something that requires a decision from man to be made effectual))) The choice of man to look to Jesus comes from the work of the Holy Spirit which has convicted him of his sin. But that does not obligate God to save him. Man can decide to do all sorts of things for God, But he does not have to reciprocate that action… Man looks to Jesus, as the Israelite looked to the Serpent on the cross. When he does so in faith God WILL save him. Man’s response to the Holy Spirit does NOT effectuate salvation. God does. I hear this line of thinking from Calvinists and wonder if they really understand the other position. God has given us the ability to choose, as can been seen in many passages of the Bible, but that chose is not effectual. It is God’s requirement that we have to choose. Due 30:19 and many other passages. God can give us the ability to choose and still be sovereign. Does this diminish God? Or does it only heighten his sovereign power? I say it proves how powerful he truly is. Yet man is not elevated. 3) (((So for those who follow his thinking on salvation matters, Jesus sacrifice is not enough. I think that those who take up this line of thinking are continually doing mental gymnastics to make God into something they can pallet, rather than trusting in an almighty God even when we don't understand the why))) Jesus’ sacrifice is more than enough. We are as useless as the Israelite in the wilderness, who had poison flowing through their veins moments from death. And we are told that if we just look to the serpent, we will be healed… Jesus, in John 3, points to us to this moment in time. Since the Bible is our standard then help me to understand where these Idea are found in the bible, because I don’t see them in the pages of scriptures: 1) The Idea, that God predestines people before they are born to go to Heaven and Hell 2) The Idea, That God determines everything, not one rouge molecule, evil, every action and thought 3) And why someone who goes to Hell does not have a perfect excuse before God?

Yes! Just as the mortal high priest made atonement not for every nation but for the nation of Israel, our Great high priest perfectly and forever intercedes not for every person in the world but for his elect called out of the world. I wasn't satisfied with their answer to the "whole world" objection. I frame it as jesus died for the world meaning individuals in nations not limited to his chosen nation Israel, is that what you think?

@@Zaloomination The Greek word, "kosmos" is the word for "the world" (as well as 6 other possibilities). But the word, "kosmos" seems to be highly dependent upon the context the word is in, rather than a strict meaning. Like in John 3:16, "kosmos" seems to be in the context of God the Father actually giving His Son up for "the world". But in the totality of scripture all together, it seems as though, "the world" are all of God's people, the believing ones, AND those who have been and have yet to come. That, "kosmos" has a non-strict usage of the word, "all". "All" of who? That when scripture talks about groups of impersonal things, "all" means "all". But when scripture talks about personal things (people), then categories, classes, and groups are described. Thus... "For God so loved the world...ALL HIS PEOPLE...(a category of people)..." John 3:16 "...Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world...ALL THOSE THE FATHER GAVE TO THE SON...(a category of people)!" John 1:29 "And He said to them, "Go into all the world...EVERYWHERE...(impersonal category)." Mark 16:15 (Mark 16:15 is about location rather than people, because "in all people" is inappropriate on multiple levels.) Hope this helps. : )

@@Zaloomination (My answer to your question is the last sentence.) The Greek word "kosmos", has about six different translations, one of them being, "the world". There are words like, "theopneustos" which have a definitive set meaning: "God Breathed". But the word, "kosmos" seems to be highly dependent upon the context surrounding it. From my understanding, in Scripture, the word, "all" is highly dependent upon personal or impersonal subjects. If impersonal, then "all" literally means all. But if personal, like people, then "all" is referring to a group, category, or class. Same thing with the word, "kosmos" or "the world". In John 3:16, "For God so loved the world...ALL HIS PEOPLE...(because "world" may be referring to people, and we know from all of scripture God cares for His people above others.)" In Mark 16:15, "Go into all the world...EVERYWHERE...(as World in this context is referring to location rather than exclusively people.)" And in Luke 11:50, "So that the blood of all the prophets shed since the foundation of the world...THE CREATION OF THE PLANET...(is actually talking about the physical Planet itself, not a set or group of people)..." In the Book of John we see a lot of personal context with the word, "kosmos" referring to people, because the entire book is about the person, Jesus Christ, the Son of God. So, to answer your question, "kosmos" seems to be like the word, "all". Rather than having a very set specific definition, "kosmos" seems to be highly dependent upon the context that it's being used for.

Read Romans 9:6-23 several times

Why not start at Romans 9:1 and go till like Romans 11. I think they're all connected. It's really interesting that you want to skip the first five verses of that chapter. And if you're going to try to understand contacts, maybe you should read the book of Malachi.

You're understanding. Calvinism is wicked.

@@JAGChristianos how so?

@@caseycockerham3925 The idea of total depravity includes the inability to obey the commands of God/Jesus perfectly because of "sin nature." So, God gives commands and Calvinists teach that we can't obey them. That creates a mindset of hopelessness and it subtly slanders the character of God in the sense that He gave laws that cannot be kept by men in this lifetime. And, for those who God never zaps with regeneration they are never able to obey either and yet are held accountable for their actions even though their agency wasn't theirs. It makes God evil. And then on top of that, for those who believe they've been "saved" it isn't because of what they've done but rather the fact that God chose them. It leads to an elitist and prideful mentality which God hates. So, Calvinists become blinded by arrogance. Scripture says "knowledge puffs up but love edifies." Pay attention to the Spirit Calvinists exude. Many/Most but not all embody this trait. And, continuing on that point, if the atonement works as they describe then there's nothing they can do to "lose salvation." They are guaranteed a gold ticket which give them a license to sin. Not all people who believe in OSAS or the P of the TULIP will abuse this license by sinning everyday but I've lost track long ago of how many people say "we all sin everyday and can't stop." That idea contradicts scripture... Heb 10:26-39 1 John chapters 1-3 John 15:1-10 Romans 11 and many more...

Because of the sanctity of God, we don't deserve nothing more than death because of our sin. Suppose that there are 10 persons, 5 are saved and 5 are condemned. God is not being merciful with 5 people and unjust with the other 5. He is being merciful with 5 people and just with the other 5. God can give us mercy or the justice we deserve but he is never unjust. This makes you even more grateful when you know that God has poured his mercy upon you, we are not worthy. And a true faith and the knowledge of our rotten state beacuse of sin and the need of a saviour and a sincere repented heart is given by His mercy, it's not of our will, because we are spiritually dead, we can never get true faith or real repeantance without His grace and His Spirit upon us. Thats how I understand it, if someone can correct me, please. Peace and God bless you all.

1) Because it pleased Him to do so EPHESIANS 1:5 He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, 2) Regeneration/being born again, while preordained, is something that happens in time. We are all born as sons of Adam and sin, so we for sure need to repent. We are not born saved just preordained to be saved. There is an order to it. Roman 8:28-30 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

@@danielvalderrabano9566my response to this would be a very important question for this belief. Did Jesus die for the condemned 5? With this belief the answer is no, Jesus did not die for all but for those that he chooses will go to heaven. I need a Bible answer due to the sola scriptura belief.

@@fuzzycounsellor9147 thank you for the response! for your second point, if only a few have predestination, then repentance is not necessary. With this view, God has already decided who goes to hell and who goes to heaven. I see no need for repentance, I’m just wondering why this view it’s necessary to do any good works if you are just destined to be saved or not. The last part with being glorified is that yes, God know who will persevere to the end but this doesn’t mean those who fell away never received initial grace.

@@bradymott4714 Hello, my dear brother in Christ. God has taught me so much the last few weeks. And something that I've learned is that there are many things that I don't know. But one thing I know, maybe the only thing I'm truly sure about, Is that the most important thing is to love Him with all our heart and to love our brethren. And if we focus only in this, all things will fall in it's right place. I recommend you to look for "the new revelation" by Jakob Lorber. It will be the most challenging thing you will come across as a Chrisitian but it can also become the greatest of all blessings. Sorry for not answer your question the way you expected. May God bless you and guide you in the name of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, Cheers my brother.

When Jesus said "it is finished" He didn't say what the "it" was. The doctrine using the phrase "finished work on the cross" eisegetically infers that all sins, past, present and future were paid for in a literal sense. This is not how the atonement works.

@@JAGChristianos how does the atonement work then?

That verse in Ephesians doesn't support your argument, all it means is that we the elect were saved from eternity past according to the council of God AND applied at a moment in time.

​@@hansmo8282 1) It ended the Old Covenant. This is explained in Heb 9. 2) It serves as the ultimate act of love. No greater love than a man lay down his life for his friend. 3) It serves as a wedding proposal. We love Him because He first loved us. 4) We accept His proposal by following His example into death. 5) it serves as a substitution of the debt that man owes. It is not the literal payment. 6) It supports the law because the creator of the law is justified substituting the actual punishment (2nd death to sinners) while simultaneously forgiving sinners. The reason is because even though the letter of the law is NOT upheld the Spirit of the Law is upheld. Saints die to themselves and live for Christ. They are new creatures. And, Christ gave Himself up to prove that the law is precious and not to be ignored. And, if a believer continues in sin then there is no longer a sacrifice available for them (Heb 10:26-39). That means the payment wasn't the actual fine but a sub. and that God is truly forgiving men of sin...and is justified putting that debt back on them if they keep sinning. Parable of the 10,000 talents.

@@Zaloomination elects who are in Christ or elected to be in Christ? Which one?

If Jesus knows who will believe in him and he dies for them exclusively, what is the problem, since no one who doesn't repent will be rejected? Yes it is more than possible for him to know who he saves because they are given to him by the Father before all time 😌

What happens if the person believes with every fiber of his being that Calvinism is true? I can see that he sincerely believes in what he's saying is the truth even though it may not be but he may not know that.

@@hansmo8282 Jesus said you can know the truth.

@@hansmo8282 The truth is a person. If he knew the truth he would not believe Calvinism.

@@coreykeplinger3391 Grace covers our ignorance.

who says Jesus fails? that is a lazy and false assertion

​@rocketsurgeon1746 He's not saying that, my guy. Read his comment again.

@@caseycockerham3925 that is a standard calv question to the non calv when talking about Jesus dying for ALL. you know that :)

@@rocketsurgeon1746 I'm not sure what question you're referring to

@@caseycockerham3925 standard question by calvs when someone says Jesus died for all. they give two options. 1. did Jesus fail because not everyone is saved or 2. Jesus didn't die for all, thus only the "elect"

KJVOist deny God

How does Leviticus support Limited Atonement? 🤔

@@dandeliontea7 The priest's work would cover the sins of his people. Everything was done for the Jews, not all of the other tribes on earth. The atonement was particular and limited.

@Are_You_Sure_Bro Dr Michael Brown debunked this reasoning when James White brought it up. It doesn't work. Calvinists need to study their OT more closely.

​@Are_You_Sure_Bro Michael Brown debunked that idea years ago when James white attempted it in their debate. Calvinists don't understand the OT, that's why you guys always get Romans 9 and other passages wrong.

​@@dandeliontea7 Please show me in scripture that the temple work of the Jewish priest was meant to be applied to everyone in the entire world and not just the Jews. All due respect to Dr Brown, but just telling me that he debunked it isn't very compelling. I'll need something more than that if you actually mean for me to take your comment seriously.

Nah no you couldn't. But I wish you could too. Reach out and see if they will debate.

What errors?

@@caseycockerham3925 All of them Unconditional election. Limited atonement.

John 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”