degrading love - part one | how religions distort 'love' [cc] 

I feel euphoria when I'm painting, I should worships my paint tubes.

When I was religious, I often felt God's love as a deeply comforting wave of euphoria. I knew I could feel this anytime I prayed a certain way; I could access it and just feel this love. When I was struggling with my religion I had to know- I had to experiment. So I prayed the same exact way, but this time I didn't pray to any god; I just "prayed" to my own brain asking to feel that same love, and I got the exact same euphoria. That was when I knew that I had only ever been talking to myself every time I had ever prayed. I wanted to feel loved by something bigger than myself, so part of my brain granted me that desire by throwing a rush of endorphins and Oxytocin my way. I understand why it is so hard for many religious people to deny this feeling, because the feeling is very real. But it simply isn't real evidence of anything more than your brain's response to your deep desire to feel loved. This is why people of all religions often witness the same experiences when they pray to their own respective gods.

"Let me in so that I can save you!" "From what?" "From what I will do to you if you don't let me in."

I created an inferno of agony and misery, but I love you.

My dad left our family 5 years ago to "serve the Lord" due to the verses in the Bible about hating your family and loving Jesus most. 4 years later, I became an atheist. Now, today, my mom comes to me, sobbing about how she doesn't understand how Jesus, her loving God, could say something like that. She is suffering acutely as a result of religion and the exact type of degrading love described in these videos and it makes me furious. My mother, like so many people I know, claim that God is the only reason they haven't ended their own lives. Yet when they describe "God's Love" the describe it as the final person in the video above, as fear and as pain. Some have sensed the degrading nature of the love and embrace it for reasons I cannot comprehend anymore. Last Sunday, my sister started crying to me outside of church, saying it hurt too much to go in there... And my mom made her go in anyways.... I'm just ranting on here, cause I don't know any atheists personally and am hurting greatly for my loved ones who are presently experiencing the ramifications of this degrading love.

Can you feel it now Mr. Krabs?

Anybody else remember being surrounded by people crying? ...looking around like, "Did I miss something?"

god's love is like; - an elevator, it can't take heavy loads (of criticism) - a volcano, it's destructive - the sun, it gives you cancer - a rock, god loves rocks, have you read how many people in the bible were stoned to death?

Thanks for this. Love isn't love if it's demanded.

The "love" of God is very like the "love" of an abusive parent, love conditional on submission and withdrawn and replaced by punishment the instant the victim isn't a total doormat.

God's love is... hot and explosive? Kinky.

((18:42)) This part was hard to watch, it nearly put me to tears. The relationship I had with my parents, especially my father, bears resemblance to the "parasitic god relationship." I wasn't allowed to question or have ideas of my own, to do so resulted in bullying from my parents questioning my worth. Calling out my their hypocrisy, as young as a toddler, got me physically hit. I always had to "worship" in order to get my parents "love;" I always thought there was something wrong with me and why my parents did not show love or affection to me. I remember studying for hours to get a good grade on a test, changing the way I dressed, etc. just to get their attention. It never worked; they always found something wrong with me.

When I was maybe 13 or 14, I did feel it. It was at a christian camp, we were all asked to sit down, close our eyes, and focus on the preacher's voice only. She began saying things which I can only vaguely remember, but which I can, nowadays, identify as hypnosis. Her voice was calming and her words were aimed at getting everyone in that sort of trance, and when I, rebellious teenager as I always had been, opened my eyes out of curiosity (which none were supposed to do), I saw many people walking around the room putting their hands over children's heads from behind, at that specific distance at which you feel something but don't really feel it. Though I was taken out of the trance, by myself, I closed my eyes again as I heard someone walk closer, and didn't open them again until the activity was over. And so I probably entered the trance again, and by the time I (assume) it was my turn to get my magic headpat, I did feel that feeling beyond words that they insist in. It's very hard to put in words, but it's probably best understood as being what you'd feel if you were taken to a mass hypnosis session and someone held their hand above your head for about a minute.

Your video made me think of my own deconversion. I grew up "feeling god's love" (what I now know can be attributed to the placebo effect and adrenaline). After my kids were born I used to say "god loves them more than I ever could" and as intensely as I love my kids I really believed it, your "parasitic god" idea really is a great way of phrasing that... I became extra religious for a while, then I started seeing the many stories of child abuse in highly religious families. I couldn't wrap my head around how god would allow that, eventually I realized that god would not protect my kids and his influence was roughly the same as if he didn't exist at all. Within a short time I realized he doesn't exist at all. You could say that "god's love" is what made me abandon the idea of god all together.

A superior says to a maiden, "I love you." The maiden shows no signs of emotions. The superior is a bit disturbed by this, because superior can do anything for the maiden. Though, the maiden remains indifferent. The superior grows perturbed. The maiden shows affection or admiration towards another person, place, or object. The superior seethes with anger and pronounced jealousy. Believes that the maiden is confused or antagonizes the superior, intentionally. The maiden is the problem, along with their admiration for the person or object, which is possibly evil. The maiden is sinful or evil for not showing the superior the same level of love or zeal without measure. Even though, the maiden is only mortal and cannot show love beyond an emotional or physical level, especially to an entity that does not exist physically or openly express emotions to maiden that can be reciprocated. Although, the superior is superior to maiden and may have created the maiden. But, will damn or destroy the maiden for being incapable of loving the superior to the superior's own liking. All while, the Maiden has created any adversarial circumstances towards the superior, nor has the maiden insulted, cursed, disrespected, or attacked the superior. Beyond not honoring the superior's ego or liking, which is not in itself an act of love or admiration for another person. This is like the most impossible fallacy ever.

I find it strange when people at my church speak in tongues. I'm an atheist but they don't know, so when they tell me to speak in tongues, I just make random sounds and they believe me. Shabadoohabigidubahoo. Praise be to God 🙏

It's almost a crime that you don't have more subscribers

"Dont do that, lord." "...Oh okay, I wont" Had me absolutely hysterical.

_"God's love is like..."_ ...the mechanical, fake worm used to bait a fishing hook.

This should be on TV for all to see.

"I can feel the love! Can you feel it?" "No. What does it feel like?" "It feels as refreshing and bracing as a winter snowfall." "So, it's the same sensation as biting into a York Peppermint Patty? I'll eat the patties. You can keep the masochism."

I spent my entire childhood blaming myself for being wrong and not being able to feel God's love like everyone else Turns out you are helping me to overcome that at an early age Thank you for spreading the truth

Good video. Yes, Gods love comes with a Mafia like condition, accept it, or face severe consequences.

3:07 Ooh ooh, I want to play: -child abuse -a mafia boss -a deranged potter smashing his own works and hurling them into the furnace when he builds them wrong _This is why I don't get invited to Sunday School anymore._

"I love you." GASP :D "This simple phrase..." oh. :C

“Love” extracted through fear and blackmail isn’t love. And I always feel so bad for anyone who compares divine love to parental love, but seems to think that parental love is expressed through punishment and fear. It’s an awful cycle, wherein people think that the only way to love their children is to instill fear, and children grow up feeling that they’re only truly loved by those they fear or those who fear them. It turns “love” into a generational game of domination and submission, but it’s a game with no winners.

Religion has a shroud of complicit silence over it. If you talk about the abuse, point out the flaws, contradictions, hypocrisy, then you have betrayed the community. Thank you for being so brave in the face of such lunacy. My own experience was harrowing and I rarely talk about it. Your videos are very helpful for me.

I went on my kairos retreat with my Catholic Highschool. All of the girls , my friends included said they felt the love and presence of god. They said it was powerful. I spent four frightful and agonizing days feeling guilty that I couldn’t feel the “love” god apparently granted us. We were stopped on the side of the road on a snowy mountain for hours before we got there. when we finally got up to the retreat house it was of course an “act of god”. I listened to teary eyed testimonies from teachers and students attributing medical breakthroughs and deaths of families members gifts From god. But worst of all I listened to married teachers tell a room full of 15-18 year old girls that they are unlovable by any man unless they at first learn to love the lord.

As a former Hellenist, I interpreted my hardships as love from Hades. Hades was the god of the underworld, and the challenger of heroes. This slowly morphed into narcissistic traits. I saw this and left the faith abruptly.

Just wanted to say thanks. Your content has changed my life in so many ways. What you're doing matters.

"God's love is like..." 'An elevator, it lifts you up.' It can also let you down. 'A volcano, hot and explosive.' And destructive to everything around it. 'The Sun, it lights up our world.' Half of it, anyway. 'A rock, it's solid and reliable.' It's also among the most rudimentary of weapons.

I find it a bit odd that a group of kids trained to reaffirm their Christian faith got stumped when they were asked if they personally felt their god's love. Though perhaps it was because they didn't know that particular game, or had learned to echo their teacher rather than have an independent understanding.

I went to Catholic school and I distinctly recall one of the teachers telling us in class that God loved us more than our parents did or even could. I think it was intended to be comforting because of how strong and unbreakable God’s love for us was but that remark just disturbed me, because up until then we had otherwise been led to believe that a parent’s love was limitless and unconditional and now… we were being told that it wasn’t, but that it was somehow ok because some invisible and ultimately unknowable being was now filling that role? But God help us (pun partly intended) if we ever once dared to question that love…

Once again, we're treated to an overwhelmingly insightful, articulate, intelligent, relevant and sincere video experience. The world makes more sense after watching all of your amazing videos. Much appreciated.

“Love is not affectionate feeling, but a steady wish for the loved person’s ultimate good as far as it can be obtained” - C. S. Lewis

I'm reading Brave New World, right now, and your story about "Bill" reminds me of Bernard Marx's experience in his "solidarity service" -- just without the drugs and the orgy.

Everything you make is a gem

Greetings from the deeply delusional bible belt DFW Texas! Many thanks for your amazing wisdom and insight in arming rational thinkers and the much needed continuance of the destruction of delusional mind slavery from the Abrahamic cults. Your amazing work is making a world of difference. Keep up the great work and always looking forward to more content! DC

This channel is voicing every thought I have as I continue my deconstruction process. Thank you for this content!

After asking this question for 6 years in the church.. this makes the most sense. Hard to swallow, but the wishy-washy answers I get in the church weren't helping at all. It was always my fault. They began to tell me to stop trying. Just give in, just let it all go.. I told him, you just can't do nothing it's impossible. In "doing nothing" you're still doing.. thanks TT

What better way to celebrate the day of Love, than to take a little time to remember what it is NOT? Thank you very much for all the good work that you've done!

I cannot express what a wonderful breath of fresh air your channel is. Thank you for all your remarkable work!

It's good to see you back, in a time when the online discourse within and without our sphere has become chaotic and toxic from all sides, it's good to hear a friendly voice, a voice that brings back some much needed nuance, civility and rationality. Will there be much of a wait for part two? Regardless I'll wait patiently for the rest of your take on this rather patronising phenomenon.

Are you nicer than Mr. Rogers was? Then you aren't MY god

I know a con when I see one. Believer: " You'll find out when you're dead!" Me: That sounds cuckoo.

Recently came out to my family that I am irreligious, and I got responses along the lines of "I love you with a love only God can give". Simply shunning me or telling me to my face that I'm going to hell would hurt less than those responses.

Thank you. I can't wait until the bit on shunning comes out. My wife and I are ex Jehovahs witnesses and my wife's mom just left a voice mail last night stating she could no longer speak or have anything to do with her daughter anymore.

"Love is patient, like a trained assassin." LN

I love Theramin Trees! It's my new favorite channel! It helps me clarify my thinking on a number of issues & helps me see how my former thinking was unintentionally abusive to myself & others.

So glad to see another Theramin Trees video. Thanks for making sense out of the insane.

“My love isn’t to be had by anyone who attempts to dictate who I love” I got chills mate

This one struck home for me. Looking back I recall examples of 'Divine Love' that at the time I believed made me superior, as if God was choosing myself over others. Brief examples such as choosing not to attend an event on a Sunday , refusing acquaintance with individuals who did not share similar belief, and bearing personal testimony to strangers whom I had felt divinely inspired to speak with. At the time I felt as if the gates of heaven were opening to me. Now I realize those moments were nothing more than moronic, completely ruining potential friendships and experiences.

This channel has been the greatest help for my thoughts and behaviour. I have recognised my behaviours and actions more objectivly and can now rectify mnay mistakes. Thankfully none of them are too large. Again thanks from bottom of my heart

A friend showed me your channel about a month ago and I already watched all your videos. Thank you.

"Itchy gitchi yaya dada" holy shit - I almost spit the food out of my mouth all over my screen in laughter - well played sir

I always felt damaged, from about 5 or 6 because I never felt Yahweh

One thing that I would love to see is a debate between you and any prominent religious speaker, live, whether it be in person or via Skype/Hangouts. Your style is clear and concise and you're not afraid to point out the many logical fallacies that many preachers use for their own gain. Oh, on a side note, your music is awesome. Keep up the great work.

I was suffering with extreme anxiety that also caused constant profuse sweating from my underarms, hands, and feet. Then came the depression and paranoia. I wanted nothing more than to just die so my suffering would end. I was desperate for someone, anyone, to show me some love and compassion. That's when Jesus came to me. I had a vision that he was sitting on my bed with me. He verbally offered the love and compassion I sought, as well as acceptance and forgiveness that I didn't feel I even deserved, especially from Him, considering how sinfully I had been living my life. I felt so overwhelmed I burst into tears. Even after that I was still reluctant to believe. I just assumed it was some sort of paranoid delusion and thought maybe I was telling myself the things I wanted to hear. Shortly after, I decided to start a new chapter of my life. I started exercising, eating better, reaching out to find new friends, and had chosen a new career to begin. This went on for a few days, until a severe (dominant) hand injury put a screeching halt on everything. My new career choice involved heavy use of a keyboard. I was told that I might lose my index finger. My computer was also my only means of social interaction and recreation. Full of despair, I was thrown back into my crippling neuroses. That's when I decided to put my life in God's hands. Exhausted of any other options, I thought I would try attending an online sermon from a local church. I was so moved that right then and there I decided to accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. I checked a box affirming that decision, and I checked another box that said I am interested in being baptized. Immediately after allowing Jesus into my heart, all my symptoms of anxiety and depression disappeared. If God's love isn't real, then what exactly am I experiencing? I wasn't expecting to feel any differently, so I doubt it has anything to do with the placebo effect. I think it's best to just let people believe whatever it is that fills them with love and makes them feel happy and healthy, as long as they aren't hurting anybody else.

Thank you so much, Theramin! This is a great analysis, I'm really looking forward to the completion of this series. Thank you for being on Patreon, this is worth supporting. You are ... loved! ;)

I love you too Theramin Trees. clearly donuts are giving me love in my life, all praise the donuts and the love they will give to their followers.

The only time I have cried in church was not of euphoria or joy, it was utter hate of the things I have done before. At that time I thought I have sinned greatly, but now that I think back on it, I was only being a child. I was 11 at the time, looking at silly jokes on the internet, but when my mom saw what I was doing, she thought I was in the wrong, demanding that I repent to Jesus Christ. I only wanted to be a kid, act like a kid, and even today I long to be a child again. My mom always tells me "Why are you so quiet now? You were very active and hyper when you were little" Well mom, its because I couldn't express myself. You didn't let me, always putting me down for watching the "devil's content." I still want to play tag, tug of war, and many other games with my friends; I feel like I never got my share of being a kid.

This! So much this. You are a beacon of inspiration to us all. The way my parents raised me.Demanding constant obediance and no argument. Thank you for giving all the closeted exittors a voice.

warmness in your heart, numbness in your legs, electricity... kinda sounds like a heart attack

Thank you. This is the most persuasive description of religion that I have heard!

YES - NEW THERAMIN TREES

The scenario exemplified around 12:20 is exactly the moment I knew, as a child, that I had never really felt gods love and that I wasn’t a Christian at heart. I was attending a church camp, for the second year. The first year I had attended a summer camp called Dry Gulch. The experience was quite fond, it was mostly filled with games and activities and only one day of the week stay was really filled with church and pastoral activities. It was a wake up call the second year. There was no arcade, there wasn’t a lavish town dressed to appear as a old western setting, there was no canoeing, no fun games, no sports. We had a little wood box and a ball to play a game and the rest of the second year was mostly 3-5 hours spent in church and lectures about god. Here, I digress In this second year, we were “forced” to speak in tongues. In fact, we weren’t even allowed to leave the pulpit and church house until we had convincingly done so and our pastors were satisfied that we had been filled with the Holy Spirit. I remember trying so hard to connect with god and become filled with the spirit and being incredibly frustrated that I could not accomplish anything even remotely satisfactory. I cried helplessly, I was broken until I just began to spout nonsense. The room was a wash of cry’s, screaming and such. I was hardly middle school aged, and it was incredibly traumatic to have experienced this so early. I appreciate your inclusion of this story in this video and that I can relate my experiences here. Christianity had caused me more harm that good at that age, and as an adult, I have heeded your advice and wisdom, to not respect the beliefs that are so baseless and ignorant. I have left the church for many years now.

I love your videos. Your voice is soothing. And they are extremely well written and thoughtful.

Fantastic video - always delighted to see your videos pop up in my subscriptions. I also remember when I was a teenager, the moment I was asked a similar question and when I realised that I couldn't feel the love or presence of god is the moment I began my journey into atheism.

Amazing content as always. Much appreciated.

Thank you so much for the beautiful content. I'm so glad that the world has people like you!

Doesn't such a god also fuck with the heads of parents? As in: "if this is how the most loving parent ("Father") treats his children, this is how I should treat mine"? Your videos are always awesome. Thank you.

Brilliant my good sir! Your work is unmatched and worth a look for millions. Thank you!

Ah, you never cease to impress me. Loving it.

For most of my life I felt like there was something wrong with me because I never heard God's voice, sensed his presence or felt his love. Since I was about 5 years old it was the only thing I ever wanted and desperately prayed for bc it sounded so wonderful. It eventually drove me into depression and feeling utterly worthless that I was apparently the only person in my family, or that i knew, whom God ignored. Through much pain, I was eventually able to let it go and now, as an atheist I can see that all of these people are basically deluding themselves. Although it hurt very much at the time, now that i know better, I have to admit it makes me feel good knowing I was never able to take it that far and lie to myself.

Love your videos and you style. Very important information I feel and you explain it perfectly

I was eager in church. I read a bunch of the Bible, learned all the trivia, all the songs, repeated the doctrine that was thrown at me. But I never felt anything. I always wanted to feel what the others were feeling, I wanted to speak in tongues, I wanted God's love. So in Bible summer camp one year, there was a huge room where music was playing and everyone was praying with each other. I had some adults pray with me for me to feel God and speak in tongues. The atmosphere in that room was buzzing, I was tingly, like the electricity comparison someone you quoted mentioned. I spoke some gibberish. And convinced myself I had actually spoken in tongues. Even though I knew I hadn't. I just wanted to be special and to be included. Now, I get a similar feeling when I listen to meditationy "hypnosis" videos. I don't think I'm actually being hypnotized, but I want to be, so I force it and I get that tingly feeling. That's all "God's" love is to me. A tingly feeling I can get from secular meditation anyway.

I never felt any sort of expression of God's love. For a long time, I thought I was broken, so I tried to look for the feeling in any place I could. For a while, I thought I'd found it-I had a certain feeling when I was at church, or when I was at youth group. That had to be it, right? It took a long time to realize what I was feeling was simply community. Being so limited in who I was allowed to be around, simply being around people who acknowledged me was a euphoria of its own that I mistakenly attributed to God. When I started going to public schools, then to other school programs, and as my youth groups progressively socially removed me for my "strange" behavior (turned out to be neurodivergency), the feeling moved and increased to the nonreligious friend groups I developed. That was when I should have started to question. But it took a lot longer than that. The fear runs deep.

Impeccable presentation of reality. Healthy, proactive position that should help every viewer avoid being a victim. This is the kind of presentation that should be widely supported by viewers on Patreon.

God's love is like... teacher: you didn't finish it. me: i'm following god's example... _n o t h i n g_

This is a fantastic video. With a significant portion of RU-vid atheism degenerating into various regressive attacks, it's good to see someone still making videos that tackle real issues regarding religion, complete with thorough and thoughtful analysis of cited sources. Having someone like you around to discuss things calmly and rationally is a real comfort, not to mention a treat for the intellect. You also have the best music in your videos.

Glad you are back. You put so much effort and care into your work, and it really shows!

I _love_ this video! These always pop up just when I need them. Thanks.

First class. You really articulate your points extremely well with refreshing sincerity. Your insight is contagious in a good way.

instant thumb for you!

Yes! Love these videos! :)

ITCHY GITCHY YAYA DADA! That's funny, I always call tongues: "Mama Se Mama Sa Mama Cu Sa." XD "Fake it till you make it", is the core value of all of this.

I totally missed the Pixies lyrics the first time I watched this. Now I'm going to be hearing that song in my head all day. Thank you! :)

The horrible truths of religion. Besides, no divine and wise being would even think of asking us to love or worship it or even be thankful. That would make its love insincere.

I love the Pixies reference. Made an already amazing video that much better! :D

Another excellent video from TheraminTrees. As a former religious person turned militant atheist, I can tell you that I never managed to love God; the more I learned about this character the more he seemed like just an oppressive dictator. I only did what the chuch said was his will (or attempted to) out of fear of hell. All the talk about how God supposedly loves me more than any human loves me never made any particular impression on me to either love him back or even CARE whether or not he loves me. Like you say very eloquently: why would I yearn for the love of someone I can't see? Also, I can't love someone who demands I do his will unconditionally, or that I care more about him than about people close to me, who I DO see and who may not put such heavy conditions on having a relationship with me. Now that I am an atheist and that I know that all gods described in holy books are nothing but figments of human imagination, I can say openly that the kind of "love" described in the Bible, which necessitates reciprocation by total obedience and self-efacement, is repugnant to me. The fictional omnipotent dictatorial sky goblin that is the Christian god is a monster every bit as bad as, if not worse than his fictional adversary the Devil, and not only could I never love such a character, but I couldn't care less if he purported to love me immensely, I have no need of such love. In fact, I would prefer a god who literally HATES me and wishes me in hell, but IS POWERLESS TO PUT ME IN HELL OR IN ANY OTHER WAY PUNISH ME, than a God who theoretically loves me, but has the power to put me in hell (or to save me from it), but who won't save me from hell or other punishment unless I love him unconditionally, revere him, and obey his commandments. An analogy with battered wife syndrome is adequate. It's not enough for someone to say they love you. If the actions resulting from their love are bad toward you, then their love is only lip service and is of no benefit to you.

Great video, IMHO you forgot to mention one crucial part - that they demand LOYALTY to that degrading love - and loyalty to all that abuse is highest virtue

I felt what is said to be God's love. It was amazing. It lasted approximately 3 days. This totally set me off on a quest to find out what happened, ultimately leading me to stop going to church and reading the bible. God's love became a dragon I could never catch again. I read the bible numerous times searching for answers along with a few books. I can say what I think there bible is referring to what happened. After all is said and done, I don't know. I could never recreate it, nor could I tell someone else how to. I do know that the God in the bible was not the God I heard about in church.

5:09 I love this moment XD It's like before Sodom and Gomorrah when Abraham bartered with God with the number of good people needed for them to be saved lol

2:14 the six descriptors - Corruption, Oppression, Negation, Narcissism, Enslavement, Deception. the first letters of each spell CONNED, when describing God's Love. I know I'm certainly not the first to notice this or point it out I just think @theramintrees truly does think through every single nuanced way to drive his point home and it's worth a chef kiss

great video, so glad you're back, looking forward for more.

As spectacularly awesome as ever. :) Thanks for this.

I love the absurdity of portraying the gods as these (metaphorically apt) naked, funny-looking baby birds

Old school RU-vidr comes back to make a video ACTUALLY about atheism.

I remember watching this as a teenage girl at 17, while enduring highly abusive family dynamics from my parents, and fundamentalist christian homophobia from extended family (they were trying to drag me to an exorcism for various of my unacceptable qualities). One of my parents was into New Age conspirituality (since has unfortunately fallen into QAnon as well, they are directly connected) and the unhinged ideas that resulted from that belief system were especially disastrous to me as an abused minor with undiagnosed ASD, ADHD. Im now 24, and still an atheist, personally hostile to spiritualism etc. My politics and the view on the subjects discussed on the channel have of course evolved, but this channel has forever influenced my perspective. You were a small oasis of sanity and comfort, and you probably saved my life from ending while i was still a teen. I might make a series of comments sharing some new feedback now that ive had 7 years to process this content, mature, and develop my perspective further (atheism is often just the starting point, it was for me anyway). We'll see. I am also yet to watch your newer videos as I've been out of the loop for years. This was definitely among the top couple best atheism themed channels at the time (not to say there arent ocassional elements of disagreement on framing in a few videos, but still id say at the top quality wise, very good). There was a lot of low hanging fruit atheist content at the time, dominated by antler clashing excess and self unaware rationality posturing, made by nerd misogynists types who believed themselves genuises for figuring out creationism isnt real & rejecting god, who then also became part of the alt-right. This channel was on a different level quality wise i believe It feels good to rewatch these old videos now.

Well-articulated and thought-out. Wonderful work.