Deluge Gaza -- Norman Finkelstein, Slavoj Zizek, Mouin Rabbani, Razia Iqbal, Colter Louwerse 

Never thought I'd see Norman Finkelstein and Slavoj Zizek being that close to a disco ball.

Such a blessing for someone like me sitting in my flat in Glasgow 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 to be able to look and listen to people who have a deep knowledge of the subject 👏😊

Mouin Rabbani is also incredibly knowledgeable and has a great sense how to speak publicly

Holy Shit! Norman Finkelstein and Slavoj Zizek on the same panel???? This should be broadcast on every progressive RU-vid channel!

Norm and Rabbani are the one two punch the best !!!

What a panel! Thanks to all the members. Will pick up a copy of "Deluge Gaza" soon.

in times like these, I thank god for the invention of the internet! what a privilege to be able to watch this from the comfort of one's living room

I have enormous respect for the moderator Razia Iqbal for the intelligence, confidence, and eloquence she displayed, moderating a talk of such importance, featuring so many great minds.

If this was in germany they would all get arrested

This video is criminally underviewed.

I will continue to support the Prof and anyone fighting for justice and humanities!

These are the discussion that should be made on mainstream media, nt the constant discussion abt politicians' shenanigans.....

Norman and Colter speak with admirable clarity. The situation in Gaza is so depressing that any level of clarity is uplifting...Rabbani said it well as an Israeli leadership is made up of children and have run amok, not comprehending the consequences; In the extreme impunity that is evident in the destruction of Gaza, one must look also at those who support it and allow it to take place. But as Norman said, 80% of Israeli society supports what is taking place. It has become "such an ugly place" and the position it has placed itself, "it is horrible" and Israeli society is not seeing what it has done. Is there a "capacity for self-reform" in Israel?

Norm is such a big balls humanist. Respect

Great Panel discussions by all participants. Good for you Zizek that you reflected in what you said the last months and avoided be part of the dead Europe and dirty place at which Habermas and alike occupy now.

the first time I listened to a Zizek talk completely 😂 To his credit, he spoke with much clarity.

Thank you so much Professor Norman for getting fully involved in the debates and talks on Gaza, I have learnt so much from you on this topic of the prolonged struggle for freedom of the lovely people of Gaza, I pray and hope that you get to see this day come. I will never forget you as long as I live. so thank you, thank you.

'NO SILVER LINING IN A GENOCIDE'...that's PURE GOLD...!!!

What a great panal! Such a fan of Mouin Rabbani, whose dry contempt for the racism and hypocrisy of the Zs is one of the only things keeping me sane for the last half year...

What an amazing panel!! Great minds and hearts sitting side by side

Slavoj Zizek is just awesome! He's so passionate when he points out the fallacies of German politicians in regards to the vengeance of the IDF on Gazawi civilians. He just quoted Primo Levi 22:45 , one of my favourite Italian authors. ❤

Norman is a legend and the rock star of Palestinian cause… thank you Norman

It is interesting to note how Zizek (uncharacteristically) never interjects with a question or joke when the other panelists speak here. It shows how much he genuinely respects their insights and expertise.

Norman is utterly magnificent

Norman is such a BOSS - moves me to tears sometimes - incredibly just person

Norman the world's most well-read velociraptor. He's so dedicated he's willing to sit in this room in those hot clothes under that lamp, even at his age. My dad would have refused to do this like even 10 years AGO

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 *📚 Introduction and opening remarks* - The event is a book launch for "Deluge," which explores the ongoing crisis in Gaza, - The book highlights the historical context and recent developments in the conflict, - The panelists will discuss the crisis and its potential ramifications. 06:14 *🕊️ Colter Louwerse: The history of missed peace opportunities* - The PLO and Hamas have both expressed willingness for a two-state solution, - Israel and the US have consistently rejected or undermined Palestinian peace initiatives, - The current crisis is a consequence of missed opportunities for peace. 12:55 *🎤 Mouin Rabbani: Regional dynamics and the fallacy of Hamas's motivation* - The claim that Hamas attacked Israel to disrupt a Saudi-Israeli normalization agreement is unfounded, - Such an agreement was unlikely due to US commitments requiring Congressional approval, - Hamas's attack was motivated by broader regional and international neglect of the Palestinian issue. 20:47 *🗣️ Slavoj Zizek: Personal experiences and philosophical implications* - Zizek faced accusations of anti-semitism for acknowledging Palestinian suffering at a German book fair, - He criticizes the depoliticization of the conflict and the unconditional support for Israel in Germany, - Zizek draws parallels between the current situation and the failures of European Enlightenment ideals. 27:26 *🎭 The current state of affairs* - Israel has become increasingly reliant on criminal gangs to control the West Bank, - The Israeli political spectrum has shifted further to the right, with no center or left, - Recent events mark a dangerous new era in the conflict. 29:11 *💪 Norman Finkelstein: Reasons for hope despite the situation* - South Africa's application to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) regarding the Gaza crisis is a significant development, - The ICJ's ruling against Israel and the support from various countries offer a glimmer of hope, - The persistence of young activists and the resilience of the Palestinians inspire continued efforts for change. 42:53 *⚖️ The possibility of a shift in US foreign policy* - Public opinion in the US is shifting towards recognizing the illegitimacy of Israel's actions, - Senator Schumer's recent speech shows a more balanced view of the conflict, - The New York Times comment section reflects a growing understanding of Palestinian rights. 48:31 *🗺️ Two-state versus one-state solution* - Western politicians use the two-state solution as a distraction from their actions that perpetuate the conflict, - Despite challenges, a two-state solution remains feasible, but its desirability is increasingly questioned, - The current Israeli government's stance makes negotiations impossible, and the conflict may continue for a long time. 56:54 *⚖️ The need for a moral reckoning* The high death toll in Gaza demands a moral reckoning for the failure to protect innocent civilians, Western media often downplays or justifies the suffering in Gaza, placing blame on Hamas, It is crucial to challenge this narrative and expose the reality of Israel's actions. 59:49 *✊ Potential for change and public perception* Public recognition of Palestine by several European countries is a positive sign, It is important to shift public perception beyond acknowledging suffering to understanding its root causes, Changing public discourse and challenging dominant narratives are crucial steps in the struggle for justice. 01:01:22 *🗣️ The limitations of diplomacy and non-violent resistance* The brutal blockade and repeated attacks on Gaza have left Palestinians with limited options, Diplomatic efforts and non-violent resistance, such as the Great March of Return, have failed to bring about change, The lack of response to Israel's violence against peaceful protesters raises questions about the effectiveness of non-violent strategies. 01:24:30 *🤨 The challenge of changing Israeli society* - The protest movement in Israel focuses on specific issues like hostage release and judicial reforms but largely avoids addressing the Palestinian question, - Israeli society's long-standing impunity and sense of superiority make it difficult to envision significant change from within, - External pressure and accountability may be necessary to bring about meaningful reform. 01:28:26 *🧱 The entrenched nature of Israeli attitudes* - The current war is not solely attributable to Netanyahu but reflects a broader societal consensus in Israel, - Polling data indicates overwhelming support for Israel's use of force in Gaza, with a significant portion favoring even greater escalation, - Transforming Israeli society will require addressing deep-rooted ideological issues of Jewish superiority and Arab inferiority. 01:34:10 *😨 Shifting dynamics within Israeli society* - The recent events have led to a sense of disillusionment and insecurity among Israelis, particularly those in Tel Aviv who previously enjoyed a sense of normalcy, - There is a growing trend of disinvestment in the national project, with many considering leaving the country, - This internal shift adds complexity to the situation and raises questions about the future of Israeli society. 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I wish Norman Finkelstein would go on forever spreading his knowledge & wisdom. Thank you for having him on this panel.

" Every life is a whole world " ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

Thanks all! ❤🇵🇸

I agree with Slavoj Norman has to be by far the most admired person historically with admirable honest of historical facts and knowledge like no other person I know. Respect.

Can't wait to buy this book. Jamie has done a great job getting chapters off all these great people.

Excellent presentation! So sorely needed! Thank you!

I am glad to see a panel with figures like Finkelstein and Zizek on it since, while they are both undeniably leftist thinkers, they have held radically different views on the situation in Gaza and I believe a lot can be gained as a listener from hearing different viewpoints rather than having a group who simply agree with each other on every point of the issue. And to anyone who mocks Slavoj for his speech impediment, you are the fool staring at the wise man’s finger while he points to the moon

Wow, what a line up.

Excellent, thank you! ✊❤️🇵🇸

Maybe we need to have the Israelis take a walk inside Palestine Gaza to see with their own eyes what has been going on to help them change just like was done to German people at the end of ww2.

Outstanding in every respect. These are true humanitarians in the best sense of the word. Great to see Razia, too.

Norman and Rabbani. So much respect

Norman and Mouin are the GOATs.

For a split second I misread the video title as including the names "Deleuze" and "Žižek" and got excited. What I actually watched was to me equally interesting. Thank you for the upload

My partner and I are in Brooklyn and super bummed we missed this

I'm shocked the algorithm allowed me to find this.

I want my only child to be as principled a human being as Norman Finklestein.

All four panelists bring something invaluable to this discussion. I bypass Norman (who is of course the giant anywhere) and I want to draw attention to Slavoj and Colter. Slavoj explained (in his own inimitable way) the state of mind of European political and intellectual leaders. Their double standard is so entrenched in their minds and milieux that they are unable to see it or recognize its illogical and morally vile nature. Germany is the worst of all, but in general, are no longer rational people - with exception of the Irish (so far). This is what any reasonable movement for the liberation of Palestine has to deal with. It’s important to know the background and Slavoj brought it out for us. And watch Colter. He is a great researcher and painstaking chronicler of the situation. He is the future Norman Finkelstein.

Everyone was on point as usual but Zizek was especially spitting, his insights are so original and important, I love that man

Wouldve loved to hear Alain Badiou on this panel, he went through a similar thjng to Slavoj earlier jn the 2000s when he wrote about Israel/Palestine and being accused publicly of antisemitism. Great panel tho, Norman is truly a great man.

Thank you!

closing the window and saying no problem. People who call themselves philosophers always do this. thank you norman

Mind blowing discussions, thank you all for standing up for justice.

Oh wow, all the superstars. What a treat this is.

Slavoj is right. It is awful in germany, you cannot say anything about israel- palestine and you will get aggressively attacked. It may happen that you have to pay a fine or even be jailed.

What a fascinating meeting. This is a great source of knowledge for those particularly interested in the P and I conflict. I wish all people can watch this instead of watching incompetent reporters on mainstream media. These are real competent intellectuales who report and document knowledge objectively and transparently. People should listen to these for truth. Otherwise they are giving chance to agenda-driven institutions to brainwash them.

Bravo

Thank you.

Ty for re-uploading this with better sound 🙏

Wauw.. this line up is something else

What did they do to Arafat after he bent backwards to accept Oslo? Barricaded in his residence, cut off electricity and finally poisoned him.

SUCH GREAT MINDS AND PEOPLE OF INTEGRITY AND INTELLIGENCE IN ONE PLACE. AWESOME. ❤

Good grief, always saw through Habermas. Never could stand him.

If anyone is interested in a conversation with the attorney from Nicaragua, see The Grayzone.

Wonderful event, many more please O/R books

Such a deep dive Discussion. What a shame RU-vid trying to suppress this gathering. Two days online now, with those names, only 29k views with 1.5k likes, 300 comments.

thank you guys.

Hooray for Nicaragua!!!!!

Going to buy right now! Good to know, great presentation! ❤

Thank the algorithm for bringing me here. Great panel!

Wow 😮what an amazing panel ❤

Thank you for this conversation

Appreciated Colter's contributions. Was very direct about the ways in which Israel has always acted in bad faith, and in pointing out the media's role in misinforming the public and coming up with false narratives.

Norman is my hero, he is a living saint , I have enormous respect and love for him

"The masks are slipping literally ... we are entering a new era, an extremely dangerous era ... What is happening now in Gaza is the death of Europe in the sense of, you know, you talk to a Palestinian, he will tell you: 'Yes, European human rights are bombs which are falling on us.'" - Slavoj Zizek

Woah!!! Prof Finkelstein and Slavoj Zizek together!!!!

I'm a simple man. I see Norman Finkelstein, I click.

"If we can all pipe down".. lol

Slavoj exposes the obscenity of the affirmative, "Absolutely!"

4k video, thank YOU very much

❤❤❤ Norman Finkelstein ❤❤❤

In echoing comments by Habermas that are mentioned by Zizek in this discussion, the Italian columnist Ricardo Canaletti said: “Whatever the judgment over these years, no European should question the right of the Jewish state to exist”. This is a citizen of a continent that engaged in mass settler-colonial genocides and dispossession of native populations across the world for centuries, saying that nobody should question the right of a settler-colonial, racist, apartheid ethnostate regime that is occupying a native population and gradually expelling it from its remaining lands to exist as such. We live in surreal times.

Norman and Slavoj Zizek❤

Brilliant panel, brilliant discussion, thank you all so much

Deleuze's treatment of Nietzsche's of "resentemont' ( (French... as Nietzche intended)... in his book "Nietzsche "... Screams. Why is Zizek the only person speaking fluently at this event.... except for the Chair Lady. Hats off to Chair Lady and Zizek. Awesome. I need this. I'll pay you back latter. Great thanks, James.

Penetrating insights by all concerned, Great discussion.

Wow. Thank you whoever put these people together.

It’s really inspiring to listen amongst all the , eye boggling gaslighting in the west . Thank you all I’m not giving up # boycott Israeli goods get the app No 🙏

Thank you for this video!

A technical suggestion: next time please hook the camera into the sound system rather than depend on the camera microphone to pick up the ambient sound in the room. The result will be less muffled. But a great panel discussion!

The rogue entity did 1109,the world remained blind.

I have never seen Zizek that quiet.

thanks for this, sharing knowledge is the key to peace

Thanks prof norman

AIPAC and the donors to AIPAC vetted and approved Senators have a lot to answer for.

Damnit, I wish i had known in advance about this event, would've loved to have been in attendance. At any rate, thanks for the upload!

Ironically the way this panel was organized felt like zizek's description of his experience in Germany. If it wasn't zizek, the moment he said he condemns hamas' actions he would get booed.

prof. Colter Louwerse, any link to your PhD thesis, please?

I believe, even only based on personal experiences, that it rather useless to discuss about future state-related solutions. We need to start with material conditions: who is going to build infrastructure, houses, systems of governance. Then we see how it goes

Despite the respect that all participants in the symposium deserve because they are true fighters for peace and for Palestinian rights, what is strange is that the first speaker who reviewed the recent history of the Israeli conflict with the PLO and Hamas mentioned Hamas’ willingness to abandon its charter calling for the destruction of Israel, but It was not mentioned that it was a call to destroy Israel in order to sabotage the negotiations at the stage in which the PLO was the Palestinian leadership and in order to show the PLO as a traitor, and after Israel destroyed the PLO, Hamas announced its acceptance of the two-state solution, meaning that the speaker He did not mention Hamas' complicity with Israel's desire to destroy the PLO and thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Great people's you are !!!!!!!!

Why didn't you say that the reason Nicarágua didn't file a case against the USA but instead against Germany for aiding and abetting the genocide is because the USA is not signatory of the Genocide Convention. Is this not the reason ?

Norman is love 💌