She's just another of those smug bastards who protected their well-paid, comfortable careers and didn't care what happened to others. Instead of standing up to government and refusing to play along, they merrily sent infected patients into care homes full of vulnerable elderly people, knowing the virus would scythe through them.
This woman assisted in unlawfully killing between 17 and 20 thousand elderly people. She shouldn't be appearing in an enquiry, she should be appearing in Court, with others.
Seriously, it's Harold Shipman times 100. Just that first email where she says "The number of people with the disease will rise sharply" like she isn't sentencing thousands of people to death with that decision.
She's busy doing the Shaggy defence Wasn't me Must be an alien concept having her errors out in the open seen as there is no law requiring you to be told that you were on receiving end of medical mistake
I’m a Paramedic and worked continuously throughout CV19. We paramedics noticed that almost overnight, nearly every resident of care homes was suddenly on DNR (do not resuscitate) notices. Care home residents were being left to die when they needn’t have been. Now it all calmed down and the enquiries have started, guess who they’re blaming for these clinical decisions? Yep, you’ve guessed it, individual Paramedics.
They know the blame will always "trickle down" to the bottom. DNR was used on people with learning disabilities and when i worked in the community, i heard elderly people tell me hw they felt it was only polite to agree to DNR as the person phoning them was insistent on it.
This was brought in (DNR) before the Covid epidemic took hold. Hospitals, GPs, Care Home Managers, Health workers. People were encouraged to add DNR onto patient files. Instructions may well have come from Matt Hancock's Dept. at the time. It appeared to be an edict. The next thing that changed was Cause of Death. That suddenly became "Frailties of Old Age".
We know it was not the paramedics. It was the fault of this absolutely shambles of the so called government. They should all be made to pay for their massive mistakes that they made.
They care more about Money than Human Life 2020 was Mass Murder killed our Doctor's & Nurse's sacrificed all those people Gross Misconduct at the Highest Level, If they had closed the Boarder the NHS with the help from the Army would have been able to handle Covid and case load, But Boris was distracted by his Party and Donners and left the Door Open "We are A Island" Winston Churchill. I thank you for your service /respect
I screamed it to everyone but none would listen even to this day, l prayed we were wrong for the sake of the many with the vax aswell, now I see it clearly and l say nothing, l let the flock grass.
She seemed to have rather jolly & casual demeanour about her. I'm glad somebody thought it was all so amusing. I also love they way she dictates how we should interpret her own written reports when we are perfectly able to understand the words on the page. Covering her callous arse.
Her demeanor is utterly disgusting. It's actually shocking that she has zero acknowledgement of how devastating her decisions were and simultaneously has to display her intelligence and understanding of how viruses work! She SHOULD be prosecuted
A dear friend of mine was managing a small Care Home. One, presumably, Covid-19 positive patient was discharged to them from Hospital and they were given no information or opportunity to refuse acceptance. About a month and a half later, 11 inhabitants of the Care Home, 11 of her friends, died from Covid-19 in the space of one week. It broke her. It broke the Care Home. Within another three months it was closed and my friend has not worked in the Sector since. Indeed, she has not been mentally able to work in the Sector since.
Your dear friend will feel guilt that she could not stop this nightmare she has no guilt just love and ability to care, take care of her may she recover in time🧡❤💟
Imagine watching your mother or father dying from behind glass. You aren't allowed to visit in person due to COVID-19, while COVID-19-positive patients are admitted into the same care home. Maddening.
I conducted the funeral of a church member who had been admitted to hospital and was terminally ill with Covid (symptomatic) who was knowingly and deliberately sent to a care home to die. I tried raising the alarm on this practice in several ways including by notifying MPs and the BBC but with no response.
I've found that no one seems to really want to know these things. I know of one NHS hospital in Fife who made staff come to work while awaiting their covid test results - as they were only allowed sick leave if they could produce a positive test -which resulted in over half the dementia, and pallative care, patients being killed by covid caught from staff. I was made to think that the hospital didn't come up with that policy themselves. That place also uses antipsychotics and tricyclic antidepressants on their dementia patients to make them more manageable - but, again, noone seems to care.
This is appalling beyond words why isn't the entire press not sufficiently covering this and when will criminal proceedings start... some of us lost family!
It's not right wing press. Government dictated what the press could (& still do) print & broadcast. There was (&still is) an alternative to ALL decisions and actions taken.
@@davidfoster9890yes you absolutely right - but nobody speak of those who got jab and in week die ! Even now - my dear old client die just two weeks of COVID and flue inoculations in one day - high temperature first day - in exact 14 days she’s gone ….. ( it brake my heart …)
Literally everyone knew at the time that this was most dangerous to the elderly. I remember saying at the time to my dad it’s as if they’re deliberately killing off the elderly. He said, ‘just think how much they’d save in paying national pensions’. Whoever came up and implemented this policy should b facing a long time behind bars.
A vile lack of embarrassment, shame or sorrow for her advocacy of policies guaranteed to kill the elderly. It was apparent to anyone with a grain of humanity or common sense at the time that discharging infected patients from hospitals to care homes was obscene and inappropriate. So much for 'putting a protective ring around care homes'. What a lie. Jenny Harries' weasel words, stumbling and excuses. She knew what she was doing. She got a title out of it, though.
Calm down. This is people dealing with large events with the tools they have. What would you of done? You are not allowed to use magic or wishful thinking.
@@roamingism ah, Dave, I'd have made decisions based on the evidence from bodies such as SAGE, which these shysters now admit (under cross examination) they disregarded. They lied, they partied & they got (in Jenny Harries case) awarded with titles. And some lined their pockets with our tax payer money, by forming spurious PPE companies. My mum got COVID, by the way. So you can take a running jump if you think this shower were competent or acting in our best interests.
Yeh what they done was likened to what medieval armies done centuries ago when the army laying siege to a castle would catapult infected cattle into the castle when they were hungry after a period of time, then the virus/disease would spread rapidly in that environment
@@juliasalmon5858 - you were obviously not paying attention. Listening to SAGE was exactly the problem...as their view point was very narrow. Hence we sacrificed the young, the economy and huge amounts of cash to save a few ppl in their 80s.
Why is it that we always hear about lessons learned? Why can't those responsible use foresight and judgement to prevent the situation from occurring in the first place?
What makes you think that any of them care enough to want to prevent it, they care for nothing other than themselves, power control and money, follow the money
Imagine sending people into an environment full of old people with a disease that you know kills old people and thinking you are anything other than a criminal.
”This sounds awful" she says, as though it isn't really that awful if somehow "understood properly". Yes, it does sound awful --- because it is. The disastrous results of their policy of discharging covid-positive patients into care homes were fully predicted by and known to them, but they claimed in public to be taking steps to prevent such a disaster, while in fact doing exactly *nothing* to prevent it.
Chrislee. My 87yr old Mum is in a cafe home, with leg pains & inability to walk. She is on pain relief & hopefully physiotherapy in time. How do you expect me to provide the personal care & treatment she needs?
@@chrislee6650 Ugh. Care-home residents frequently have to go to hospitals for all sorts of treatments and operations that can't be provided on-site. Some may have been positive before they went to hospital; others will have caught covid in hospital. Clearly Jenny Harries thought that discharging them into care homes would cause a spike in care-home infections, which it wouldn't if they all had it already.
This just made me scream . These nurses and care workers were going home to their loved ones via public transport. Catching the infections and then spreading it on their journey to and from work because they were not given any protection, any thought any care. Those old people just sent back to die and infect others. I honestly don't understand why any of these people are not being criminally charged.
Remember that at the start of the pandemic there was a shortage of masks and gowns, not just in the UK but world-wide. Dentists' surgeries had all closed and they had been asked to send their stocks of these to the NHS. Hospitals had priority over care homes at that point.
Yeah they didn't choose to be underfunded for more than a decade prior, the country voted for austerity after being lied to about the state of the government's finances after the 07-08 financial crash, and that destroyed the NHS's ability to cope. People have been dying completely unnecessarily long before covid.
My local Care Home had the staff living in caravans on site, the carers didn't want to return home or mix with the general population because they were all too aware they were thrown into an IMPOSSIBLE situational at the very sharp end of this tragedy. They all knew it was madness and that they couldn't contain the virus in a home of 50 plus residents. Low paid decent brave people dealing with the consequences of incompetent party goers, Eeeerh I mean policy makers.
Why wasn't she told not to speak so fast more often? It was a deliberate policy to discharge into care homes: it freed up hospital beds, it ultimately freed up places in overcrowded care homes & it reduced the pension bill & the cost to local authorities paying for poorer residents.
It DOES sound awful!!!!!! Maybe that is because it WAS awful. This is appalling, and inexcusable. Nobody who was in the chain of command who allowed this (right up to the minister of Health) should be allowed to get away with this travesty of healthcare.
My daughter worked in a care home in Chelmsford Essex ,she caught COVID of course. My friend who worked for a contractor on London underground had to send her face masks because the home didn't have enough !! She cried a lot of nights because of the amount of people who died Someone should pay !
Even at that time, I remember thinking this was absolutely crazy. Imagine sending infected people into a house literally full of the most vulnerable people. This is crazy even without considering the number of people were infected via transmission from staff members at nursing homes, staff members that the government knew were not provided with adequate PPE. This is criminal behaviour and should be punished as such.
Totally agree. This was the first thing I thought. It’s actually not rocket science. I trained in the nhs but now retired and living in Australia. I laterally lectured in Aged Care and Disability and this the minimum base requirement to work in either sector. It is up to the employer of the nursing home in the uk who they employ. Where was the crucial infection control training which should have been updated? Infection and viruses always run riot in nursing homes. Getting more people employed in the care sector needs careful monitoring as it’s not an easy job and requires the skills and knowledge of a special person. But aged care workers do not always have the required underpinning knowledge.they are not nurses. Overseas qualifications need cross referencing to ensure standards are meant airbed. Sadly not all overseas quals are comparable. Importing carers from overseas without checking their credentials is an accident waiting to happen.
People who didn't need to be in hospital needed to go somewhere to create space in hospitals. UK hospitals run ridiculously full because we can't discharge people into social care. So we were faced with people dying in hospital car parks in tents (eg Italy) or making space to treat sick people. I'm glad I didn't have that decision. I was sat in the garden riding out Covid in May 2020.
There were other ways that we could have dealt with this. Hotels for example, which were largely empty, could have been used to house the elderly patients who weren't in need of hospital care, but were infectious. This would have even allowed the Tories to do the only thing they seem capable of, syphon money to their mates. In any case, doing something that dramatically increased the number of people infected with covid likely only amplified the pressure on hospitals anyway. @@philthompson1097
My mother was discharged from hospital having tested positive for covid. She had advanced dementia and the care Staff tried their upmost best to try to isolate my mother in her room but were unable to, So my late mother was walking around the care home. Of course with the advanced dementia she became very agitated and tearful and had no understanding of what was happening. Our elderly vulnerable adults were placed in a position beyond their control and unfortunately they paid the price and many died from this terrible disease. This is unlawful and the government certainly has a lot to answer too. Absolutely Criminal.
@davidparris3705 Yes, murder is what it was. The government saw an opportunity to get rid of elderly and disabled people, considered a drain on resources. Symptomatic people forced into care homes, like sending in a chemical weapon to be discharged on the most vulnerable. Also putting the worsed paid (care workers) into the most responsible positions without the necessary equipment (PPE available to them). How many care workers died?
Do you think the public didn't know what was going on? The nursing home that my husband was in, had patients from the hospital, and immediately put them into isolation for 14 days to protect existing patients. Many didn't due to pressure from whoever they were answerable to. I can imagine the government wringing their hands at the thought of paying 1000s less pension, care home fees, etc.Yes, I believe they are that callous. Note the present tense!!!!
This “enquiry” is an utter waste of time and money, this should go straight to prosecution. She has a cheek to use the phrase “I have a passion”, disgusting!
@@andrina118 Terminating appointments, and not voting into office the elected officials who chose for ideological reasons to defund public services so that those who were already very wealthy could become more so by transferring public money into private hands.
I was thinking to the same but its unlikely, this exercise is purely to appease the general public and for lessons learnt to write up new regs and policy to prevent their incompetence in the future
Midazolam? Directions for stating Covid on death certificates when person passed for other reasons? Pfizer’s trials? Many a stone left unturned by this enquiry.
Wow if this doesn’t make you angry and disgusted, I don’t know what will. She should be in prison. She’s a monsters, she literally sent ppl to their deaths. She’s disgusting sitting there making excuses. And to think, she , and many other disgusting ppl like her, will get away with this. Just a slap on the hand. Makes me sick. I for I, can’t wait to vote these bleeps out. 🤬
Nevermind they will be dead soon anyway 🫣 Who said that?? They deliberately sent Bedblockers into care homes and gave them Midazolam and Morphine and put DNR on end of beds and locked loved ones out.. It's murder
Why didn't they discharge to the Nightingale hospitals? Oh that's right there wasn't enough nurses to staff them because this Government created that shortfall.
Instead of discharging patients to nursing homes who had tested positive for COVID they could have gone there, but they knew they didn't have enough staff and they knew the care homes were short staffed so their policy all along was to "let the people die".
It might be worth noting looking at the prescribing of Midazolam and Morphine. It used to be on a per-case basis, but was changed to a per-site basis just before this situation discussed in this video. What you see is a sudden and huge increase in Midazolam and Morphine which coincides with a huge spike in care home deaths. Tied in with this is a change in amounts these drugs were administered, up to 4 times the safe limit for a young were applied to elderly Covid sufferers. What really happened was a culling of the elderly, and this “releasing” of Covid positive patients into care homes was simply a smokescreen to cover up what had really been done. And no, there is no blame with front-line care staff who were simply carrying out what they had been told to do by managers they trusted. Strangely, despite the appalling actions of the Government in its handling of the crisis, the only thing they admitted they had got it wrong was this patient discharge programme. Strange isn’t it? They weren’t at fault for decisions that resulted in hundreds of thousands if deaths, but are admitting to something which is hiding something far, far worse.
I have a relative who works in an NHS community hospital on 2 wards - pallative care, and dementia. The wards were locked down with no family visitors. The staff had to come into work while waiting for covid test results. They were only allowed to stay home on sick leave if they could show a positive covid test result. All but 2 staff contracted covid in a single wave (think it was autumn 2020). Over half the patients in those 2 wards died from covid. My relative said staff brought covid onto the ward and killed the patients. Lesson learned? No, the following year there was a repeat of exact same situation which decimated the patient population again. Lessons are only learned when people are watching, and keep watching. DNRs: one was forced on my mother in 2018. No discussion with her (she would never have said Yes), or us
they threw everyone but their donors under. the young will be paying for this mess for the next 50 years. 70% of the elderly voted for the tories after they killed 200,000 with universal credit cuts. they didnt seem to care much about those people dying
What an appalling picture is emerging of the incompetence, stupidity and disrefard for the lives of PEOPLE in Care Homes. We need to carefully examine whether there is criminal liability and these vile people should suffer a long stretch in jail. Certainly, none of tgem should remain in office!!!
All due to the lack of tory pandemic planning, lack of capacity and lack of staff. (especially compared to proper countries) and of course Tory incompetence.
The planning and systems had been there but were discarded by the Tories. The PPE had been there but had been allowed to run "out of date" by the Tories without replacement. Incompetence or malice, you choose.
Didn't they take their lead from the WHO? It was they who ditched the established pandemic guidelines and joined in with the Chinese panic. Yes, the PM we had and his mates were the last people we needed to oversee this disaster, but I can't believe Labour would have been so different, in fact they wanted the government to double down on useless policies.
Bullshit. At that time, all countries, including mine, had the exact same problems. It is not a matter if, but when. Also, lack of testing capacity and PPE and understaffed healt care was a problem everywere. Now, in hindsight, a number of the earliest deaths in care homes could have been avoided. But death in caring homes were high everywere. The major problem begun when your government decided, not to enforce drastic and long lasting lock downs to stop spreading the virus when it was needed. That's why the UK has one of the highest numbers of casualties (3,438 per million EU, average 2,773 per milion France 2,599, Germany 2,098.)
It's become quite clear this government's main objective when the pandemic hit was, how much money can we make from this? Not how do we keep our citizens safe? It's honestly absolutely monstrous.
Oh my God they murdered people. Would they have been happy with these people being discharged back to care homes, going to stay with their elderly relatives?
It's just shows how little they bothered about anyone really It's no surprise to me I said to my wife at the time this doesn't seem right there's more to this than meets the eye
Please don’t keep posing your own question or changing the words to suit the answers you want to give. It’s simple when you’re in that chair, just answer the question you’ve been asked as simply and clearly as you can. Don’t put spins on your answers, it makes you seem untrustworthy when presumably you want to be as honest as possible. Just answer the question you’re being asked, please.
Knowingly sending an infected person into a home with vulnerable people in i believe knowing it could result in the possibility of death to one or even more is culpable murder no different than harold shipman also basic and flaigrant abuse of power and legislation
None of the care homes had the sufficient effective PPE. Care assistants are working in multiple care homes if they are from an agency, so spread of virus was rapid.
@@allanmckeown8417 I can guarantee that the government knew the risks they just did not care, they were and are rich enough to insulate them and their families from any risk.
I was actually asking myself while I was watching "Even before Covid the NHS couldn't manage the influx of patients in the winter so was this common practice before Covid? Were care home residents being discharged more frequently during times when the NHS are under pressure so common that this seemed like a sensible idea?"
General practice for the last 10-15 yrs. Winter pressures are practically all year round. Most hospitals are about 60 medical beds short and then you need to staff them. Alternative community models are in the same boat.
This woman is a career Civil Servant who is paid a six figure salary and megag pension benefits . Tgey stay in a post not long enough to be accountable . She is now Head of UK Health Security, whatever that means ,and Track and Trace . They are all in it together
My father was locked in a rehab unit after a fall when he was just about ready to go home. Two weeks later caught covid in there that nearly killed him. Was so badly damaged had to go in a care home where he was neglected and damaged. He died there last Christmas it cost him £100,000 his life savings. The last two years of his life was an absolute misery.
So glad my Mum never had to go into a nursing home during the pandemic. Years of underfunding the NHS and no one driving the government bus. No enough room in jail for all these criminal acts by the people in charge🤬🤬🤬
It is not a “form” of premeditated murder, it was first degree murder. Even I, who is not medically trained knows what would happen if you put someone who is infected with a contagious disease in a nursing home.
I remember her giving an interview in April 2020 in which she said, I'm now paraphrasing, that the "UK response to the pandemic was viewed around the world as the Gold Standard". Then they threw a protective ring around the Carehomes.
I trained in the nhs but now live in Australia. Have worked extensively in nursing homes in uk and here. Laterally taught aged care and disability in tertiary education but now retired. To say that UK response to the pandemic was gold standard is a complete joke. The woman is delusional.
Why are these people still breathing free air. Who are these clowns to play god deciding who lives and who dies. They willingly did this the public deserve justice.
Shocking. No plan. No space. No grasp of 'reality' and even now no change in the way we look after groups of infectious/infected people. Those at the sharp end getting ill themselves and being unable to return home because they didn't want to give it to their loved ones. And now that accountability needs to be dished out we're hearing the excuses.
I get this is an exercise in absolving the usual suspects of responsibility, after they have enjoyed all the benefits of leadership but putting covid patients into care homes is a disgrace. Anyone involved in giving the ok to put covid patients in the most vulnerable setting possible, should be prosecuted. In my mind only private school knobs would or could have done this. They think we're scum.
Also true that care homes didn't have the staff to accompany the residents to whatever other premises they would've been sent to, nor did the NHS have staff hanging around for the tens of thousands of covid care home residents. It was a catch-22 in that regard. We were all needed on the floor, and at my care home, at one point, 24 of 30 staff were off with COVID-19 - we relied for a week or two on agency staff - it was unimaginable.
This is what a decade of austerity did to the country, leaving us ill-prepared for a major pandemic - whether covid or influenza. The NHS was under-resourced and stretched too thinly; social care was even worse; too many people were working zero-hours contracts on minimal pay and therefore unable to afford to be off work if they thought they were ill; no social safety-net for the poorest and most vulnerable in society who were often at the sharp end of the pandemic working in hospitals, care homes, public transport, food manufacturing - all essential services that were expected to continue while the better-off were able to work from home or be furloughed. It is a damning indictment on political choices taken by the Tory government.
Absolutely. Destroying our public services and NHS budgets, removing all aspects of redundancy in those vital services in the name of efficiency, and the public paid the price.
I agree it is....this Govt is terrifying! I worked in a doctors and a home though couldn't do both eventually because of cross contamination. People in the home were in and out to hospital clinics. Needless to say I caught Covid just before lockdown in the FEB. No masks and no vaccine at this point.Ended up with not being well for at least about 2 years now. I have had to pay money out privately for tests etc. Have caught it again last Xmas as my daughter was in the NHS. They sent her where a patient had Covid just told her a few days later. Getting better myself but it has taken this long. My NHS doctor offered me counselling! That's it. Boris made no provision for Long Covid and lots of people like myself had to carry on working. No choice. Luckily retired and hope now never to see a repeat of this. They were very cavalier with the elderly despite what they have said.
It’s very telling how Jennie Harries keeps looking at the chair of the enquiry when she answers a question from the KC to see what their reaction is. If I was I a body expert and I’m not, it says to me that she’s knows shes lying to the enquiry and is checking that it’s not being picked up by the chair that she is.
Twist the ambiguity of the communications all you like, but what governments _really_ think about older people is directly reflected in MPs' staff (of whom until recently were close family) average pay being 50% _more_ than the average care home healthcare assistant's. But hey-ho "they've had a good innings," eh?
I work in a carehome and we had 18 dead in 10 days because they we're sending us covid positive patients to our home who infected the rest of residents and our staff ..
Agreed. Less than a 1/3 of the way through and can't stand the sound of her self justifying tones nor even the sight of her.... what they did was terrible and tragic...the suffering they caused! One day justice will be served, oh yes it's coming down the track. God/Spirit has seen EVERYTHING. Their karma is shocking and they will face it one way or another.
On 17th March 2000 , 99% of care homes closed to visitors without warning That month and April was the hottest in UK history residents were kept in bed , fans were not allowed the poor residents were baking like in an oven . Most were upset because family that visited everyday to feed them give fluids were not allowed into the carehomes , regular staff jumped off sick leaving shortages and temp staff , Barchester was in a frightful state ..plenty of families asked to volunteer Barchester refused it was chaotic, heartbreaking and was needless actions harming old confused people who could not ask for help or tell loved ones of the chaotic situation , they suffered in silence , who instructed this to happen .they should be jailed for life
This woman is diverting the questions!! Guilty and shame on you. Old people in care homes didnt matter did they?!! 😢 Free up hospital beds, save on Pensions. Absolutely disgusting. From a Carer.
Why didn’t they close the borders? They started taking the boat people by the coach load, with blankets over their heads. Why didn’t they stop flights from China, and India?
What about the DNR "DO NOT RESUSITATE" order in hospitals and care homes! over 60 which was still in effect after the end of the global pandemic! how many people were just left???....
This is disgusting. Trying to justify that first letter...the sheer volume of info in the reading between the lines just shows that this is post hoc rationising of "I am not responsible for tens of 1000s of deaths". Her sheer audacity sitting there re-writing history. That sentence doesn't mean that, what it really means is this, everyone psychically knows it means covid positive, we need to chuck sick older people outta their bed to make room for sick younger people, I assume that covid older patients would be through the acute phase, and all those tens of tbousands of deaths are all "clinically justifiable". Clinically justifiable means "I can get 3 other medics to agree with me"
I spent 17 years as an Ambulance Care Assistant and I took LOTS of patients back to care homes who were infected with Covid, so did my colleagues. Mostly because 30% of wards were purposely closed, taped up and stripped of all equipment to allow hospital managers to claim that the hospital was 'full' whilst people sttod idle and had nothing better to do than make TikTok videos.
