Derren predicts the path of a supermarket customer and what he is going to take with him. Shows you how easy it is to influence a persons mind. Trick of the Mind Season 1, Episode 6 Enjoy! -Klaus
1:00, listen to when he says finger, instead he says vinegar, and at 1:40 he doesn't say salt and vinegar he just says salt, and allows you to finish the sentence off in your head. He puts the idea of vinegar in your head before you even choose it, without even knowing it. He doesn't read your mind or anything like that he isn't psychic, he just plants an idea in your head and knows you will go along with it, making him look psychic.
Frankie Gonzalez-Wilkes I have researched subliminal messages before - but in reality they are not very effective. Maybe this did help but there is no way he knew he was going to buy vinegar and only vinegar.
Spot on! Suggestion... he is a master of it though... then he got other tricks of up he's sleeve as well and that combination is called Derren Brown...
took a second view to catch that seed. As far as predicting his path, Darren pointed and suggested for him to start going left. When he said, "if you prefer up through there" (pointing left), his tone of voiced changed to imply a more desirable route. Then when he sends him off he steps off to the left as if to create a path for him to start walking in that direction.
Few things: 1. Firstly the envelop being red; a colour on the pH scale associated with acidity. The colour red is reinforced when he arrives at the shop (notice the 'sale' signs being red [Derren makes references to the sale several times], as well as the map of Derren's prediction, and maybe when Derren subtly points to pocket with envelope in during conversation so man remembers colour more so) 2. Derren's manipulation of wording (as pointed out elsewhere in the comments section). He also points to the pocket with the envelope in it when making these suggestions (remember, man presumes that the envelope contains a prediction of what he's going to get, so it's a subtle association) 3. Starting point was next to bakery/ bread aisle: bread sometimes served with olive oil and balsamic vinegar, so acts as an association visually, but also the smell of bakery is a strong reinforcement of this too (as the man himself mentioned about the fruit and veg aisle!) 4. When Derren shows him the map, he makes circular motions around aisle where the vinegar can be found 5. On the previous point, we tend to favour our right peripheral vision over the left, so more likely to choose something to the right of the starting position In terms of his route, most people would want to look at as many items as possible in order to assess one that will be most obscure. Most would start in a systematic manner as a means of covering as many items as poss, hence travelling the length of aisles to start with. Although he was under no time constraints (to our knowledge), he wouldn't have wanted to keep them waiting for too long, hence he soon hastens his journey by skipping aisles. He makes sure to reach the end of the store to satisfy that he has looked at as many different objects as he could, and maybe at this point he then decides what the object will be, which of course was influenced by Derren! He may have remembered that he needed the vinegar, but only because such thoughts had already been planted by Derren- similar to how we may pick up items that we hadn't thought to put on our shopping list because we suddenly remember that we need them in store (often from cues in the store!). Just my thoughts but feel free to add on to this list!
Hannah Samantha I think the explanation he gave with the need in vinegar was later created by the brain as an explanation to the decision he already made, to chose vinegar. a similar thing happened to people who had their brain lobes split up (there is an entire video on it) where one lobe makes a decision and the other creates an explanation for that decision (different from the initial reason of which he wasn't aware). In analogy here, he was manipulated into taking the vinegar and afterwards he created a confaburation making him think it was a free choice. (the fact that he kept pressing him, asking if it was a free choice augmented the creation of an excuse)
Hannah Samantha Darren also mentioned chips (crisps) and the flavors he mentioned were "cheese or salt and.... whatever" ....he intentionally left out the Vinegar in 'Salt and Vinegar'. From that moment, I too knew what the intended target was....my mind filled in the blank space he left and since I'm watching the show and am trying to be aware of my own thoughts, I caught myself finishing his prompt...thus, being forced to think of something. ;-) *EDIT* I assume you left that out because it was so obvious and so frequently mentioned in other posts, yes?
In order for #1 to matter, the subject would have to know that red is associated with acidity and that vinegar is acidic. Most people don't know either of these things confidently. (especially the former - the latter is more commonly known, but still not an obvious thing to most.)
+Vesna Ergarac They're not. Did you see when Darren supposedly made people forget their own names? Or when he froze that woman solid just by clenching his fist? Or the time he gut punched a kung-fu student without actually touching him? Do you think he can actually put someone to sleep by saying a word down a telephone? None of that is possible. I like Derren a lot, but it's annoying that people can be won over and buy into this simply because he says "it's not magic". He says that, but what he is claiming to be able to do is essentially magic. He just dresses it up by calling it something else. He says things like ["I'm not psychic, I'm just able to pick up on small things people subconsciously do and predict their thoughts."] People hear that and think it's credible because if it's not magic, it's science. However, what he is describing is impossible, so he's still claiming magic abilities (for a lot of what he does). He's tantamount to Uri Geller in my book - all be it, far more clever, charismatic, entertaining and likable.
NOT FAKE : GO to 1:00 and hear his suggestion.. First "and the OILatycard" And at 1:05 he says " PUT vinigar" and touches his chest. It was the predicition in that case that he suggested what to buy and then asumed that he would fallow that lead. Witch ofc he did :)
+Samuel Gomér Why does that mean it's not fake? Do you honestly believe that hearing the word vinegar would be enough to compel you to select it? I think he cleverly put that in as false evidence of how it might be possible. Did you see the time that he made a man believe he was a ventriloquist's dummy, simply by repeatedly telling the man he was "a dummy"? Bollocks. Entertaining, but bollocks.
Interesting.. also when he says he has free choice.. and where to begin he points in the direction of the market where the vinegar is.. and says: "Buy the way!" / "By the way"
I love the way he says something that completely makes no sense at all but yet makes you think certains things that effects you later on Most of his tricks uses this technique but i find it funny every time!
It wasnt that he predicted the mans path, rather that the man took that path because he had been influenced by the markings on the envolope. Its the power of suggestibility.
I FIGURED IT OUT!!! It's all in the editing. All this was genuinely filmed, and the shopper genuinely was not in on it, but the magic happened in the cutting room. The sign was written and put on his back AFTER he selected the vinegar, but when he "watched it back" would have been surprised to see that it was written on BEFORE he selected it, by reversing the order of the clips. Very well done though.
@aznboy140 He also suggests that people buy the supermarkets own brands instead of home brands, such as, "Cheese and onion, Salt and _____, leaving it open for the man to insert 'vinegar' in there from his own thought process, and thus influencing his decision. 1:38 - 1:48
@SlickSwiftProduction There are many ways he could have done this. I think it had 2 different influences. First, the image the man saw, was perhaps able to subconsciously replicate on the map(though this alone may not be enough). Second, Derren Brown may have set up the aisles and the store(like signs, etc) in a way that would influence the man to go visit this aisle, that aisle, etc.
You guys haven't caught ALL the references to vinegar, and you haven't figured out how he controls the movement. 1. The Big One-the envelope. the paper is soaked in vinegar(slightly) so if the guy investigates, it smells slightly. it has the map route, but thats more to spank the guy when he watches back. 2. verbal cues. finger/vinegar, salt and (vinegar) crisps. darren tells him to ignore milk and eggs. 3. Helpers! all other routes are blocked, so he MUST go where darren walks. watch it again.
very very intelligent. he set up in the guys subcontious to record a map of the store isles (the picture on the envelope that the guy looked at every day of the week) and guessed what he needed by knowing what was in that isle. very very smart NLP. something ill remember to use on someone when i need to
I noticed that he always touches the person he is going to 'work '' with.. Is he aleady hypnotising that person there and then...Power of suggestion then the real trick happens.
+jessie james Don't buy it at all. If I'm going to believe that, the I'd have to believe everything else he is apparently capable of. Making people freeze still in the street just by looking at the back of their heads...do you think that is possible?
Kasey Escape yeah hard to believe ..some say its power of suggestion. he will put it in the persons mind. some people are more susceptible to that and post hynotic suggestion..that is they hypnotise a person and then tell that person he will act so and so when he is hypnotised..and when he awakes he will do exactly that with a certain 'word'that activates that action.. I have seen that done. Dont know what tricks he has up his sleeve. One thinng i read , darren brown does extensive research even check on the people hes going to work with. Not all are randoml Some scientists will tell you its ALL SCIENTIFIC.
He also says "salt and ___," cutting off of vinegar(salt and vinegar). this makes most of us fill in the blank with vinegar in our head without really paying attention.
@P1eski thank you lol, i love the way he verbally pushes the importance of it through by adding... "push you towards".. after it. Brown has a brilliant mind.
First time watching this. And first thing I picked up was when they was talking about home vrand foods, darren said salt and ____ and just keep talking. In my mind I was like vinegar. Then he put the paper saying vinegar and I was like ow yea thought so. If it was me I probably would of just gone to get a chocolate.
the path was ingrained on the envelope and he was reminded of it again by the big red sign over the multicolored flowers.... he had been influenced starting from 6 days prior.... it's actually quite simple... the seeding you're speaking of is merely slight enforcement and he would have chosen that path anyway. As for picking out the vinegar, that was what was at the end of the path. Darren clearly knew what was in that isle so... yeah.
when he shows the plan of the market he holds the plan exactly ho they stand, if you understand what i mean, points on the area where the vinegar is to show the person where to search. He also says: Its quite large, theres a lot of oils...he doesn't say areas...where the oils is it's NOT NECESSARY TO GO FOR THE FIRST THING YOU THINK OF... which could be maybe oil of something he has allready in mind... forces him to be "spontanious". I'm interesting, if you find more... XD Greets from Germany
@SlickSwiftProduction And to let you know, I have studied great illusionists and psychological performers, including Derren Brown and Paul Mckenna. In fact I have also studied the workings of hypnosis and the subconscious mind, and its effect by Neuro-linguistic programming, so I am not new to misdirection nor to subconscious influence.
I couldn't walk that path if I was trying to, I really really struggle to believe that just showing him an image of it could make him then walk it so precisely through the market, if he was to draw it that would be a different matter, but for his subconscious to translate that to precise movement through the whole store seems impossible.
@azboy140 after he says "finegar" he constantly waves his fingers asking about making choises and at 1:15 he uses the word manipulation while touching him
0:50 bloody programming him from the start, with the map in front of his face. You wonder if Derren ever "stops" or "rests" but hes fkn working you the whole time its fked up.
I thought he was using phonetic ambiguity, saying multiple things at the same time, cuz it sounds like he's suggesting vinegar, but that he was trying to make us think he was saying "fitting guard" or "finger", not sure.
If you watch a lot of Derren Brown stuff and know his persuasion/suggestion methods, did you go "OH! VINGEGAR!" the moment he left that "salt and..." cliffhanger?
Lol! I love the power our minds have over us. Its really staggering, and kind of cool at the same time. Are we all this easily influenced? Even if we think we aren't, we know its true. Little things really do make all the difference. I think its awesome how he was able to predict the man's path through the store also. :)
I think also he says oil-ty cards not loyalty cards, when they're near the flowers. You know when he starts speaking in a fast jumble, he's planting suggestions.
@SlickSwiftProduction Actually it may be well possible. Have you heard of how much the subconscious can catch? I usually disprove of Mythbuster's technique of testing myths but they actually did a part where they remembered things that they didn't know they remembered. Likewise, the fact that the man was given an envelope ahead of time and even had the same image in the entrance of the store may have allowed a deep embedding of the image.
they're in england... crisps are just what he meant to say.,... chips would mean fries over there... :-) but yes, the way he trailed off after "salt and" and when he said vinegar instead of finger in the beginning... all little subliminal pushes in his direction...
look at the end, the path that Darren predict is not perfectly match...in the wright side, down....the man should enter to the same lane he pass before
@aznboy140 Yes--it's funny, at this point I can notice when his patter is trying to put something in subliminally, and I got that he was trying to do something there, but it still passed me by! The man is so good at this. Also, "Salt and...." :-)
haHA i guessed derren browns TRICK!!! ILL TELL YOU ALL! observe how in the begining he mentions CHIPS, and he says the flavour "Salt & -- Whatever.." This is subliminal suggestion which made him think of VINEGAR!! WOO HOO
As ever, I do not believe this. I think something like this would have to happen to me before I could believe it is possible to put such a complex idea into someones head. No way would my subconscious be able to recall and control the way I walk through a shop so precisely without the products overriding that influence and not for 1 second do I believe that hearing the word "vinegar" could compel me to select vinegar - I would always go for an ingredient that had special significance to me or something which caught my eye.
Kasey Escape these kinds of tricks dont work on everyone. also, remember to factor in that people know they are on TV with Darren Brown....now, consider how psychics and faith healers use group settings and environmental things to manipulate a crowd and get them to participate in group activities. ....the point is: this doesn't work on everyone and its works best if the subject has some pressure to succeed, like being in front of an audience. its the same reason why doctors get positive results from giving sugar pills (placebo effect) and why naturopathic doctors are able to get their patients to buy anything....there is an heir of authority associated with the task, which helps aid the mind into doing what it thinks it's supposed to do. in other words: this works best on follower types and 'workaholic' types, they are prone to following orders and doing things mindlessly so they can accomplish tasks they dont readily want to do.
KandaPanda I don't think this is the same thing as being pressured by the setting. I get how a person is likely to be less focused and more agreeable when there's an audience or something watching them, but this was an idea placed into someones head - I can't see how that could happen. I also don't think it's quite the same thing as a placebo. They work because people want them too and in fact continue to work when the patient has been told they are placebos. Either way, they just help people feel better, not worse. There's a huge leap between that and picking one item from thousands of possibilities.
KandaPanda I agree with you it's pressure. But I think anybody can be pressured then follows an injected, manipulative target as s/he believes it'll work. It's like need to think in a pipe where person maybe at home or not, but it all depends on how pressured, confused the mood is to do it, how the situation/ target is build up with no mistakes. Derren always prove, says “the person already is analyzed, watched, seeds are planted”... Person gets a (created) problem, reason, purpose then solve it with earlier and in present injected foreign words, thoughts, etc subliminal.
