Deseret Book Now Supports The Pride Flag and Same-Sex Partners 

"Satan is not fighting churches, he's joining them. He does more harm by sowing tares than by pulling wheat. He accomplishes more by imitation than by outright opposition." Vance Havner

"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence the good." -Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

I’m a gay dude (and yes I use gay and same-sex attraction interchangeably). I’ve been open to celibate partnership (or not but still close to the Church and my family), but I absolutely do not identify with Pride flag and current goings on in LGBTQIAWXYZ land. Nothing screams “I’m different” or even “I’m better than you” than a Pride flag. I don’t want gay Pride in the Church. I want the Church to be “safe” for me but also to be “set apart” from the world. I miss when Deseret Book platformed gay/SSA individuals who had an alternate approach to this topic. I’m really thankful for my journey and believe there is already room for me and the love I have to give and receive in this Church. LGBT Pride, however, does not represent my place in God’s kingdom.

Crossing the line from compassion to advocacy.

My brother came out as gay a few years ago, but wanted to remain a faithful latter day saint. He lived in San Fransisco and his bishop was meeting with him and supporting him in going ahead with a gay relationship. My brother told me that if he lived anywhere else he "would have been excommunicated by now." What happened next? After having a couple short gay relationships he started drifting from the church. He started drugs and drinking. After he misunderstood elder Holland's BYU talk to professors, like everyone else did, he abandoned everything to do with the church. He went from someone with a very strong testimony to hating the church in less than 3 years. All because he, with the support of his bishop, thought it would be OK to have a gay relationship. That it wouldn't take him further from the Savior. And I've lost the little brother I knew, and the spiritual bond that we had.😭

We can study Mao's Cultural Revolution, Hitler's culture changes, USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, etc; and see strong parallels with what is happening now in the Church, America and many LDS families. It is: turning the hearts of the children *against* the fathers.

My most favorite line from THE CHOSEN is when Mary Magdalene says, "I follow Jesus; not the other way around." This is a growing problem among some members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints who think that charity and kindness means tolerance, acceptance, and celebration (pride flags) of sin. It's heartbreaking to watch. 😭 I personally will have a very difficult time purchasing my sacred ordinance clothing from the distribution center WITHIN Deseret Book. I'm really struggling with this.

I'm not LDS, but all faith communities need to distinguish between caring for individuals in their genuine life struggles and signing off on identitarian movements that are political in nature and that will gladly steamroll over a religion in the name of their movement's struggle for more power. Identitarian movements don't care about the sanctity of the individual or about the primacy of religion, but only about accumulating more power for their group.

Remember Satan introduces sin as a small thing, we go from tolerance, Acceptance , then embrace. Wise and foolish virgins is a real thing.

My favorite scene in The Chosen is where Mary aka Lilith at the time, was about to take a drink of alcohol and Jesus puts His hand on hers and says “That’s not for you.” That is how you show love.

This is so frustrating, I'm fine with the world going their way, that's to be expected, but I didn't expect Deseret Book to go along with them.

I experience SSA and you're totally spot-on here. Also, I am absolutely repelled by the pride flag.

A flag stands for captured territory.

I am reminded of the "ribbon bullies" on Seinfeld when Kramer won't wear the red ribbon. To show you're a good person you must wear the ribbon, wear a safety pin on your shirt, post a black square on IG, wave the pride flag, etc. Symbols that show you will submit to emotional manipulation.

One of the scary things about putting yourself is the "ally" box is that the label on the box changes slowly. You'll eventually be an ally for things that at one point you knew were wrong. Be a friend with Soft Heart and Firm Mind.

"We don't need to bring the world and their tenets... into the church.". You hit the nail spot on. Love your explanation of charity. Tolerance isn't necessarily love. The thing is, not everyone is going to the Celestial Kingdom. The road is steep and rocky and hard. We need to treat our brothers and sisters kindly, wherever they are on the road. We must NOT compromise the standards of the gospel.

Now that I really think about this it’s sort of makes me mad. Why do LGBTQ people need so much “help”. Why are we so focused on them. What about the faithful brothers and sisters that suffer hardship in other ways, divorce, abuse, financial? This makes me sick. It’s so lopsided and misguided.

As an SSA (gay) Saint myself, you’re spot on here Greg; thank you for raising awareness of these issues!

It's coming to be known as the bully flag.

Elder Boyd K Packer: ‘In recent years I have felt, and I think I am not alone, that we are losing the ability to correct the course of the church. You cannot appreciate how deeply I feel about the importance of this present opportunity unless you know the regard, the reverence, I have for the Book of Mormon and how seriously I have taken the warnings of the prophets, particularly Alma and Helaman. Both Alma and Helaman told the church in their day. They warned about fast growth, the desire to be accepted by the world, to be popular, and particularly they warned about prosperity. Each time those conditions existed in combination, the church has drifted off course. All of those conditions are present in the church today. Helaman repeatedly warned, I think four times he used these words, that the fatal drift of the church could occur in the space of not many years. In one instance it took only six years. (Helaman 6:32; 7:6; 11:26).” Boyd K. Packer - Let Them Govern Themselves, Reg. Rep. Seminar, March 30, 1990

When you love someone you care enough to tell them when they are doing something wrong.

My wife had a great thought the other day, the pride flag is the enemy mocking God saying “last time I got people to commit so fervently to my plan you flooded the earth, but now you won’t, you can’t, you promised. Don’t you remember what the rainbow means”.

What I can’t understand from the LGBTQ view is why they feel their temptation is so difficult beyond what anyone else has experienced that they feel they have license to sin? There seems to be this assumption that “no one understands what it’s like to experience same-sex attraction, no one knows how hard this is, no one gets why I need to date the same-sex to be okay with my self-image”. Last I checked, even straight married members are tempted towards pornography, lust, infidelity, covetousness, & self-love/pride/indulgence and all manner of mortal weakness. But what you don’t see is all the straight church members out advocating for license to give in to their own difficult habits & temptations. What exactly is different with straight temptation that people can resist it and live righteously anyway but LGBTQ seem to claim it is impossible to refrain from their type of temptation? Doesn’t seem that there’s a way one could measure precisely just how much more difficult one temptation is from another. Last I checked, Church doctrine is that no one can be tempted above that which they are able to bear. As long as you have the mental capacity to exercise your agency & you choose to exercise faith in Christ, you can resist any temptation. There’s no such thing as “it’s too hard for me, because my temptation is special”. I’m tired of the implied accusation that straight members who live more or less righteously somehow just don’t understand temptation. We understand completely, in my opinion. It’s the fact that LGBTQ seems to have claimed some imaginary pass from criticism of their political agenda that we don’t understand. Or that their agenda is more important to them than ACTUAL efforts to show Christlike love by inviting them to forsake the agenda & follow Christ. The agenda is the great spacious building, the love of the World, the whore of the earth, the exclusive club of the wicked where no real meaningful love or help exists. You’ll have to forgive us for mocking it and being bewildered & saddened when our LGBTQ loved ones choose to waste their time & energy there. You’re exactly right: allyship & the flag is all about supporting the agenda. It is NOT synonymous with compassion or Christlike love towards a struggling individual.

The last couple of years, when Pride month comes around, I’ve felt sad when fellow members of the church not only use the flag but caption it with their declaration that they’re a “safe space” “compassionate” “tolerant” “an ally” and that “love is love”. I choose not to fly the flag for the exact reasons Greg shared. I promise, I possess as much compassion and I’m every bit as safe as those who fly the flag. To be honest, some of the members who fly it, I have found to gossipy, petty, and critical towards other ward members just because they aren’t serving in their callings as the pride waving member thinks they should be. There’s a lot of hypocrisy in it.

Love for God and his commandments comes before "loving" my neighbor. People keep switching priorities around and I am not going to participate in their "allyship" no matter what I get called.

Church-owned entities (eg, BYU, Deseret News, Deseret Book, KSL) are due some serious house-cleaning.

Totally agree-being compassionate, empathetic toward those with VERY REAL gender dysphoria and same-sex attraction etc. does NOT mean allyship, AND DOES mean putting the Doctrine of Christ, our covenants, and the first commandment at the core of our compassion, empathy, and care.

I want a partner too! But I’m not going outside the church covenants to get one. How many single brothers and sisters have endured singleness and remained faithful to covenants! Entitlement = Pride = Selfishness

I'll be blunt. I see the pride flag as the flag of a cultural/religious occupier. The "queer" religion is quickly becoming the U.S. state religion, and it avoids pesky separation of church and state laws by claiming not to be a religion. But it is one, and it's not mine. My religion is incompatible with its tenants. I automatically don't trust people who claim to share a religion with me and who simultaneously display the symbols of another religion altogether. There's a huge difference between loving my fellow man and participating in the rituals of a religion I don't believe in. Between living in the world and accepting the philosophical beliefs of the world. It makes me sick to see Deseret Book creating content that tries to syncretize two religions while claiming only to be part of one.

I have two comments about Brother Madsen: 1) I'll bet dimes to donuts that the leaders in the church, both General Authorities and General Officers, are very appreciative of the fact that there is someone out there who is both willing and capable of taking on these political issues, articulating commentary about them in ways that fully support the doctrine of Christ, and 2) that none of them will ever be able to (publicly) say so. Keep it up, Madsen. Your work is valued.

And why should this surprise anyone. This weekend I listened to the presentation by Elder and Sister Holland to the Single Adults. After Sis. Holland spoke, I paused the presentation and said to my family that she left the most important teaching out about Hope. Moroni clearly taught that if we have no hope, we must be in despair, and despair cometh because of iniquity. We are running from teaching the principle of obedience. Thankfully, Elder Holland did touch on transgression and sin, though he stated that he did so reluctantly. Then I was studying the talk by Elder Christofferson about what he called the doctrine of belonging. That terminology makes me uncomfortable because it, like so many words such as inclusion, kindness, tolerance, and love are used to deceive and distort the virtue of truth. Elder Christofferson quoted from The manual Teachings of the Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith when he said:“we are the favored people that God has made choice of to bring about the Latter-day glory.” Something just didn’t seem right with me about this quote and the context in which it was given. So I went to the manual and read what Joseph Smith fully said. How come he left this part out? We build up the cause of Zion by becoming a people who are pure in heart and by working diligently with one heart and mind. “The building up of Zion is a cause that has interested the people of God in every age; it is a theme upon which prophets, priests and kings have dwelt with peculiar delight; they have looked forward with joyful anticipation to the day in which we live; and fired with heavenly and joyful anticipations they have sung and written and prophesied of this our day; but they died without the sight; we are the favored people that God has made choice of to bring about the Latter-day glory; it is left for us to see, participate in and help to roll forward the Latter-day glory.” “Anyplace where the Saints gather is Zion, which every righteous man will build up for a place of safety for his children.” “There will be here and there a Stake [of Zion] for the gathering of the Saints. … There your children shall be blessed, and you in the midst of friends where you may be blessed. The Gospel net gathers of every kind. “… We ought to have the building up of Zion as our greatest object. … The time is soon coming, when no man will have any peace but in Zion and her stakes.” “In regard to the building up of Zion, it has to be done by the counsel of Jehovah, by the revelations of heaven.” “If Zion will not purify herself, so as to be approved of in all things, in His sight, He will seek another people; for His work will go on until Israel is gathered, and they who will not hear His voice, must expect to feel His wrath. Let me say unto you, seek to purify yourselves, and also all the inhabitants of Zion, lest the Lord’s anger be kindled to fierceness. Repent, repent, is the voice of God to Zion; and strange as it may appear, yet it is true, mankind will persist in self-justification until all their iniquity is exposed, and their character past being redeemed, and that which is treasured up in their hearts be exposed to the gaze of mankind. I say to you (and what I say to you I say to all,) hear the warning voice of God, lest Zion fall, and the Lord swear in His wrath the inhabitants of Zion shall not enter into His rest.” “So long as unrighteous acts are suffered in the Church, it cannot be sanctified, neither can Zion be redeemed.” Not only are we not some special chosen people to gather Zion, if we do not purify ourselves as Joseph Smith directly taught, the Lord will choose another people to do the gathering. This is right in line with the Saviors teaching multiple times when he was among the Nephites what would happen if we gentiles reject the gospel. I thought of Zeezrom before Alma and Amulek and then Helaman’s endorsing of the doctrine that Christ did not come to save us in our sins. He came to save us from our sins. I am convinced that as a church, we have adopted the ideology that Christ will save us in our sins and that is why we are so afraid to speak about obedience to the commandments as we emphasize repentance and mercy over obedience and justice. When receiving some pushback from my dear wife that this was too harsh, I asked her. Do you want a husband who refuses to control his anger, then repents for being angry all the time? Would you want a husband who constantly views pornography, but repents of it regularly? I gave several other examples but you get my point. The beauty of Christ’s Atonement is not that we can always repent but that with him and through him we can overcome sin. I thought of Brad Wilcox’s beautiful analogy of comparing practicing the piano with repentance. However, I don’t think he implied that the lord wants us to keep practicing Row, Row, Row your boat all your life. He actually expects, demands, and even commands that we actually learn to play the piano and move on to ever more difficult pieces to master. Christ did not come to save us in our sins. He came to save us from our sins. We have significantly strayed from that truth in the church.

First we overlook evil Then we permit evil Then we legalize evil Then we promote evil Then we celebrate evil Then we persecute those who still call it evil Woe unto them who call evil good and good evil. Isaiah 5:20

I have a beloved daughter that is gay and lives the lifestyle and has a girlfriend. I have seen the struggle and felt the pain personally and seen her difficulty trying to figure out out. I knew the day she came out that she would eventually distance herself from church despite her good intentions. As a bishop I have seen the transition of a man with a big family into living life as a (woman). There is a lot of pain surrounding these topics. When I was trying to figure this out and find peace regarding these issues the idea that kept coming back to me was that our sexuality does not dave us. Only Jesus Christ saves us as we put ourselves in line with him. I chose to place my faith in him instead of a flag, sexuality, or other thing. I don't have good answers but I'm trying to let Jesus be the focus despite the myriad ways we can choose to live.

Listening to the gay member reminded me of Elder Renlund's talk "A man once told me about his struggles to stabilize his family’s financial situation. He had the idea to embezzle funds as a solution, prayed about it, and felt he had received affirmative revelation to do so. I knew he had been deceived because he sought revelation contrary to a commandment of God."

An important component of charity is the phrase "rejoiceth not in iniquity". For many, the pride flag and identity are all about rejoicing in iniquity.

Your example of the Confederate flag is perfect. Lesson should be learned, when we adopt a symbol, we are adopting everything that anyone else associates with it.

Same sex attraction is just another struggle. Everyone's life is as difficult as everyone else's. Nobody is going to get off easy.

Thank you so much for eloquently expressing the same feelings I have! It is so sad and disturbing that this is going on within the church. Why is BYU pushing this agenda so much? And WHY is Deseret Book now!? How has the church allowed this? Is it because they allow the separation of wheat and tares to be happening? We are told it’ll happen within the church, right!? This stuff makes me so upset! Raising a family (even when we’ve always homeschooled) is so hard in this filth of a world.

Bottom line: We cannot make looking "hip" to the world, more important than the doctrine of the church.

"The philosophies of men surround us. The face of sin today often wears the mask of tolerance. Do not be deceived; behind that facade is heartache, unhappiness, and pain. You know what is right and what is wrong, and no disguise, however appealing, can change that. The character of transgression remains the same." Thomas S. Monson

“Vice is a monster of so frightful mien As to be hated needs but to be seen; Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face, We first endure, then pity, then embrace.” - Alexander Pope

What! So Deseret book now supports Pride? One of the deadly sins. Amazing.

Every family in our ward, without exception, that has waved the flag has left the Church. Those of us with family members in pride community who chose not to display the flag have stayed faithful. We strengthen each other in our eternal identities and took comfort from the 3 identities that Pres. Nelson asked us to focus on. One thing that stood out to us about allyship is that it implies that by not labeling yourself as an ally you must, by definition of exclusion, be an enemy. Christ and His Gospel are not the enemy. Satan is the enemy.

For over 14 years I have asked Desert Book to carry a Title of Liberty flag... Their reply was they did not have space on the sales floor for them. Instead I see hand towels and home decor.

I just have no words

Russell M. Nelson taught, “real love for the sinner may compel courageous confrontation-not acquiescence! Real love does not support self-destructing behavior.”​​ Brigham Young said, “Be steadfast, always abiding in the truth. Never encourage malice or hatred in your hearts; that does not belong to a Saint. ​​​​Do I say, Love your enemies? Yes, upon certain principles. But you are not required to love their wickedness; you are only required to love them so far as concerns a desire and effort to turn them from their evil ways, that they may be saved through obedience to the Gospel.”

"Sometimes from behind the pulpit, in our classrooms, in our Council meetings and in our church publications we hear, read or witness things that do not square with the truth. This is especially true where freedom is involved. Now do not let this serve as an excuse for your own wrong-doing. The Lord is letting the wheat and the tares mature before he fully purges the Church. He is also testing you to see if you will be misled. The devil is trying to deceive the very elect." - Ezra Taft Benson "Our Immediate Responsibility"

We’re seeing the cycle of apostasy happening in real time. We have the Book of Mormon with many examples of this yet we assume it wouldn’t happen in our day. It is and it will continue until the winding up scene. It is why our homes, rather than the “church” is to be the center of our faith and religion. I felt prompted to add this edit. By the above I am not implying that we should not follow the brethren. Our safety lies in following the Lord's chosen prophet and seeking our own confirmation by the Spirit, even when we do not completely understand the "why" at the time.

I'm ex LDS and I am totally amazed this is happening would never have believed it

This discussion and many others like it, in the past 5 years, is the result of tolerance of all and anything. We love and accept everything the world has to offer. We can expect more of this as we walk the woke path. We mustn’t offend or call out anyone for any reason.

How can you reconcile pride in your sins while selling the sacred garment

In my observations, once people become an "ally" they start to faulter in other areas of the gospel. I've seen more Pride flags in Utah than any other state. They are trying so hard to show they're hip.

In June, my bishop wished us happy Pride month from the stand during sacrament. In July, he absolutely forgot to celebrate the 4th of July. The 3rd was fast and testimony and my mom was the last testimony and thanked our service members and thanked God for our nation and the Independence holiday. The bishopric then scrambled and changed the last hymn to something patriotic. That's our bishop and ward. I feel bad for our ward youth for his example.

I love what President Oaks has said about God's love AND God's law. They're not only mutually compatible but we need both.

We are asked: "Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?" What does support or promote mean??

"we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets."

Homosexuality takes that which is fertile and makes it sterile or dead. We are witnessing a fulfillment of Isaiah prophecy of making a covenant with death.

What happens when the charity, compassion, tolerance, acceptance causes normalization of a sin which causes it to spread?

And Greg, THANK YOU for addressing these hard topics. I don’t feel like I identify with this part of the church BUT I DO belong to Christ and my covenants. I keep trying to separate it. I stay for Jesus!

"Ally" is an activist word. Merriam-Webster definition is a political helper/assistant. Seems contention is at the heart of today's activism. Contention is of whom? Friend seems to be the better word.

Are any adults in the room anyehere working to get the Desert Book people together with the First Presidency to discuss and dispose of this evil stuff? Good grief.

In response to the young man in the video praying for answers and deciding to date other men, I just want to say that Elder Renland warned us in the last General Conference not to pray for things that we already know are against the commandments. It will drive the Spirit away, and we will end up being deceived.

I see a parallel with what has happened to homelessness and drug addiction. Laws have been done away with to allow both, in many areas of the country. All in the name of compassion and tolerance. The result is people living in misery and squalor. Consequently, our society has deteriorated. As you are describing, when truths are done away with, people ultimately suffer.

Bro, you always seek a well thought out balanced perspective that seeks seeing things eternally and as it is and not as how it seems. This whole podcast is a lesson on discernment and its application in a telestial world.

Charity (the pure love of Christ) rejoiceth not in iniquity but rejoiceth in truth. The rainbow represents the Lord's covenant with Enoch and Noah; stop using it to support satanic agendas.

I agree with everything you have said, and I also do not hate or discriminate. However, I get somewhat annoyed with General Authorities and leaders when, as Elder Ballard said, we need to do more for our LGBT brothers and sisters. How much more is enough? When is it enough? It would seem that the next logical step is, as you indicated, allyship. Ok, what comes after that? The slope becomes very slippery indeed and leaders who tell us we need to do "more" need to tell us in no uncertain terms what that means.

As I looked through the SEEK courses from Deseret Book, it dawned on me that this is what the Book of Mormon called Priestcraft, where you pay to hear what is being sold as the gospel. It also didn’t escape me that the courses are taught by 21 women and 10 men. It is my perception that in our efforts to appease the feminist movement that we have emasculated men and we are approaching the day that Isaiah spoke of in 2 Nephi 13 that their sin to be even as Sodom, “and my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they who lead thee cause thee to err and destroy the way of thy paths.”

Greg, I agree with your take on this. I’ve learned you can have unconditional love for someone while not having unconditional “SUPPORT”. That applies here I think!

Any LDS bishop who stands up in sacrament, endorses Pride month and forgets July 4th..needs to be released. No such thing as Pride month. America needs to celebrate its freedom and the men and women who gave their lives to protect it.

Thank you for sharing this in the way you did. I appreciate your focus on the commandments and doctrine. The way you explained how we can love the person, care about the person, without supporting a political agenda that is contrary to the Savior’s teachings, helped me phrase the thoughts and feelings I have on this topic.

The last minute of your podcast sums it up perfectly. Probably a better guide for us than the entire $15 course. Well done.

It's amazing how sophistry works. Softening the big lie to make it look like it is not a lie at all. Thank you for your cutting through the sophistry and exposing the truth. No one is immune from sophistry unless they have it pointed out to them.

Greg, You mentioned to approach, talk and help? Why? Am I suppose to do those things differently for them? Why not treat them like everyone else? I didn't come out to my family, friends, church and community that I am a white heterosexual Christian male. My responsibility is to love everyone, to be kind and tolerant to the best of my ability. That's my take on this subject.

"Be kind" is being heavily and strategically used to manipulate people into accepting ideas that are contrary to the gospel. This is one major example of why we're being instructed to be steadfast in keeping the spirit with us to be able to discern truth from error. It can be very difficult to know when good and true ideas have been infected with corruption.

It's called the "pride" flag. It was originally used for the pride demonstrations. It means they take pride in their sexual identity and activities. It was used to lobby for gay marriage. The message is that gay marriage and gay sexual activities are not only ok, but good. The entire message of the flag is in direct contradiction to the doctrine of the church. When it is waved, it means "your religion is wrong". And then they added the blue and pink triangle. That means that those who wave it think that gender can be changed, and that men can be woman and vice versa. It once again, is in direct contradiction to doctrine. It means "your churches teachings on gender and sex are wrong". Those who try to claim it is otherwise are gaslighting us. It is not allyship. It is agreement. It's agreement with falsehoods that contradict God's teachings.

I sent an email to DB asking them to remove my name from their mailing list. I've also sent your video to several family and friends in other states. Thank you for alerting us about this issue.

You are providing a much needed service.

Greg thanks for doing these videos. I know you try to be honest while being compassionate and that probably is why you get flack from both sides. Honestly I think you keep it very well balanced. Sheri Dew maybe needs to be asked about this video from D.B. and see if she is even aware of it. Maybe she is..? But I do agree it definitely seems to bump up against what we have been taught about chastity from an early age.

I know I've posted Alexander Pope's quotation before but I have not as yet changed my mind. He spoke wisely about any vice, “Vice is a monster of so frightful mien As to be hated needs but to be seen; yet seen too oft, familiar with her face, We first endure, then pity, then embrace.”

It's not that you're "too nice" Greg, it's that voices like yours need to be speaking out openly and candidly about these things. Sometimes you beat around the bush (or that's the feeling I sometimes get with the BYU corruption videos), and that's how this has been able to run as long and as deep as it has. Members of the church do not speak up, and cede ground in the spirit of cooperation/tolerance, and the other side will take every advantage and ground given up and continue pushing for more.

Greg I so appreciate your view point and TOTALLY AGREE. Keep your WISDOM COMING.🙏🙏

A camel asks his master if he can put his head in the tent to get out of the sandstorm. The compassionate master said, “By all means and welcome.” And the camel stretches his head into the tent. Soon after, the camel inquires if he may also bring his neck and front legs inside. Again, the master agrees. Eventually the entire camel is in the tent and the master is out in the sandstorm. We are all sinners and God cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance. And God is constant, He is unchangeable. So even the most pious, virtuous, spiritual person will not be where God is unless they completely repents through Christ’s atonement and keeps all of His commandments. God makes the rules, not the Church leaders.

My husband and I are struggling right now. Our daughter has come out as Gay and is marrying her partner. My husband and I have expressed our love for her and her partner but have told her we cannot support her in this marriage knowing it is against Gods teachings. We are being attacked by church members for not supporting her. What the heck is that all about. Do they really believe God would approve of this? Do we stand for truth or not? By the way she has not only left the church but openly attacks it.

Good discussion, done in one take, no edits. Very bold. Thanks for your clear voice.

As an artist who did one project with DB and and refuses to work with them again, I can say from my experience, DB has one objective: Making Money. I hate that I have to walk through the store to purchase garments.

It seems to me the savior dealt with people as individuals rather than groups or “tribes”. We need to interact with others as individuals we care about without worrying about group or tribal identity, ours or theirs.

Deseret and all the corruption seeping into many in the Church is bringing us towards the fulfillment of D&C 112 that teaches of this day of gross darkness covering the minds of the people. The consequences this corruption will soon bring is found in verse 12: 25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;

When the so-called “covenant people” of the latter days embrace wickedness- then they are ripe for destruction. We are there.

I 100% agree with this. I have said many times, I'm not an ally, which means I can't support the LGBTQ agenda. I care for them, and love them as brothers and sisters, but I cannot support the agenda. Can you imagine Pres. Kimball declaring he's an ally, or even allowing Deseret Books to publish a video like this?

This is mind boggling that this same place can sell Sacred Temple clothes, sacred, garments, and allow this online course … Having compassion is one thing being an ally is an AGENDA Correct Greg you are !

Great video. And great comments here. I've kept my finger on the pulse of these things for a long, long time. I've seen the progression. I've also read the books by Rod Dreher, and follow his blog, where he has spent a long time documenting how diabolic forces slowly co-opt churches and Christianity. I will say this: it's going to get worse. A lot worse. Be prepared.

Turning the hearts of the children against the fathers. The whole earth will be wasted at his His coming.

Thank you again for bringing all of these topics to our awareness. The time, energy and effort that you invest in doing so is very much appreciated by all who follow you. Your insights and responses to these topics are highly valuable. You are doing much good brother. Much love and respect to you.🙏🏻👊🏻🤙🏻

I can see how LDS apologetics can aggravate any existing high blood pressure conditions you might have.

In his book "The Return of the Gods" Jonathan Cahn explains how Americans have returned to the worship of the ancient Pagan Gods Ishtar, Mullock and Baal. In the ancient city of Babylon there was a parade during the month of June from the gate of Ishtar to the temple of Mullock by worshipers some of them dressed half male, half female in bright colors showing their pride. It is unbelievable the similarities he digs up. It certainly was not the worship of Christ. I am afraid that some today may actually participate in the worship of ancient Pagan Gods unawares.

Great quote by Monson! And great discussion in general. Thank you.

What does the pride flag represent? Each color has a meaning, and it's not what you might think - each color represents an aspect of the ancient idolatrous gods that Israel was told not to worship. Check out The Return of the Gods by Jonathan Cahn.

I think that all is NOT well in Zion.

I appreciate you bringing this to light in a very kind and fair manner. I never thought I would find myself not wanting to be someone’s “Ally”but the language has been corrupted. I can be their friend though. So disappointed in Deseret, Book and and Sherry, Dew. has she even watched these videos?

Thank you for "planting a flag in the ground" and standing firm. To quote "Pete" in 'O Brother, Where Art Thou', "That don't make no sense."