Destiny 2 Lore - The Story of the Man who bargained with Savathun to survive the Collapse! 

Oh damn, she really was 🤣

That...that would explain a lot.

You haven't been to Pennsylvania in the summer have you

Florida man sells soul to the devil?

"The devil went down to Florida, she was hoping to sell some weed"

Apparentely she just likes racoons

Your name sounds funny, you can live and prosper at price.

Fuck I ship it

The funny thing is, Savathun's never really had any open revilement for Humanity as a species insofar as I know; she doesn't seem to have the same taste for zealous genocide that her sister does. I don't think she finds much intrinsic value in our kind, but by the same token I can't find any source that states any true hatred for mankind. I don't think Savathun has any more love or hate for us than she does for the Fallen or the Cabal or any of the other unnamed countless races she's aided in destroying before. It was always just a means to an end, never anything personal. That having been said, it is also my belief that the Witch Queen has gotten tired of her long dedication to the Deep for more reasons than the drawbacks on its power. I think she's sick of it; the death, the destruction, the "Final Shape" nonsense. There are Altar of Reflection entries wherein she openly ponders the pointlessness of being the only one left to witness the majesty of the universe, and of how interesting she found the lives of those around her during her time as Osiris in the City. And really, doesn't that just make sense when you look at who Savathun is? I find it hard to believe a being as old and thoughtful and wizened as Savathun could serve an entity like the Witness for so long and not see the pointlessness in the Final Shape. To not recognize the emptiness of the endeavor to destroy suffering by destroying anything that has the capacity to suffer. Toland was once quoted in an analysis of the Hive's dependency on their worms to have said, "They have missed the point of being dead". Yet in a twist of irony, the most cunning Hive of all seems to have realized that the Witness has missed the point of being alive. Time will tell whether or not she becomes a true ally to Humanity, but I think it's fair to say that Savathun is getting tired of being our enemy.

@@joeyberg5765 yes

Came here to say the EXACT same thing.

Iiiiiii'm on the moooooon.... Iiiiiit's maaaade of cheeeeeeeeeeese

@@Xenronnify love that

@@Xenronnify we even got a translation XD

Bro that had me in tears 🤣

and that could be how the wittness was "sent back among the stars". no way it could have retreated since it has an army and the traveler fleed everytime

Ooh, they're the Hive lyrics to Savathun's song!?

Now that's a 5head play if I've ever seen one.

That might be the coolest theory yet. Even if it isn’t cannon that’s a really good idea.

@@Shadoefeenicks Another commenter here noticed that it could be matched up.

"Lay down arms, take nap. You're not needed." After my 30th Wellspring run that day his advice hits home.

Everyone loves Raymond

@@VallornDeathblade 30 Wellspring runs. Yeesh. May RNGesus bless you for your efforts.

"Look at that Wellspring is still standing. Anything to say?" 'Hmmmmmm Nah. Dead Hive, Dead Scorn, all the same'

@@bulletproofwhale5869 I just ended up doing Master Wellspring farming runs. Way better.

Unfortunately, that gamble didn’t quite pay off, thanks to us. Though Savathun isn’t dead yet.

@@garrettviewegh677 minor correction she is dead at current. Her ghost immaru is the one who’s still alive. But because of that she could be rezed

@@garrettviewegh677 yeah technically she is dead tho. Like. Without immaru she’s not comin back any time soon

@@garrettviewegh677 To be fair, we and our vanguard are complete idiots, so its largely our fault.

She also felt real sympathy for crow and wanted to feel proper emotion the more she was around us. People were happy, and she wanted to be happy as well.

I was thinking this same thing. It does match the 'lil ditty' that we know. I'm super interested in seeing how these next seasons build up to our next big bad boss :)

It was the first thing I thought when I read it

That was the first thing I noticed when there was a song! Bring out the Pepe Silvia board for that song!

The fact that the song didnt come up at allllll during the witch queen storyline really shocked me! I thought for sure there’d have been some big reveal directly related to it

Everytime I try to sing it like savathuns song I accidently just turn it into Les Toreadors

my bet is she made this deal with many people around the world. having a bunch of people walking the world, and chanting this spell, had them "weave" the deception that saved the traveler

The Traveller was drawn to Earth by a song. In light of this Lore, de can make bets What happened. Savathun brought the Traveller to Earth. Savathun indirectly created the guardians.

@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 Wasn't the Traveler already here at that time?

@@majesticmajestic7058 No. The Traveller was on Mercury, then he moved to Mars, then it moved to Io. And from there it was interrupted and forced to out of the terraforming midway, and It went to Earth

*BOOM BOOM BOOOM* FOTC OPEN UP!!

Aunor fucking nova bombs the entrance just to prove a point

That's fucked up

Sadly the Vanguard probably know nothing of this, and even if they did Savathun screwed with the archives as Osiris .

Right? The idea of people thinking Savathun is “the Devil” when they meet her is perfect, because of course they would. Nobody on earth during the Golden Age had any idea what a Hive was.

A lot of Destiny's strongest lore bits seem to alternate between cosmic forces of philosophical providence and cautionary tales of antebellum mythos, and I am in love with its constant contrast between the fantastic and the mundane.

@@joeyberg5765 well said!

Looks like the repeated words line up with the repeated notes, so these are almost certainly the magic words to her viral chant

@@joelbarr1163 exactly. This would be the actual Savathuns song. All the others weve Heard are derivatives of its viral influence, Only having the motif, but this would be the pure and original Savathun song.

@@joelbarr1163 Oh dang you're right! I noticed that it was 4 beats and 4 beats, like other people did, but I didn't notice the repeated notes on the same words! I played it on my piano to make sure.

This was also my thought. I can see Immaru or some other agent of the Hive coming to the Rigby family and collecting this debt in the near-ish future. They'd need to give them the means to recover Savathun's corpse, or enact some distraction for the Vanguard / the Hidden so it can be recovered by other means. Given how the City's security has been easily penetrated in the past by various groups, this feels very possible.

She’s highly intelligent and can best those stronger than her given enough prep time. Savathun is like the Batman of Destiny.

@@elaron2537 Another thought is that with their family living near the traveler since before the golden age there is a high chance that one of them has been made a guardian, and if not.... possibly first hive ghost non-hive guardian via rising the first one to make the deal with one of the hive ghosts?

I always thought we will be the ones to decide that we need savathun ( probably to fight xivu ) and I dont see how a human family can infiltrate a hight security place ( where I suppose the vanguard keeps her body ) but your guardian theory is actually quite interesting

I can see this happening D1 Vet: Guardian is known to be a Rigby which would explain our erratic behavior D2 Vet: Guardian is known to have been infected by Savathuuns song which would explain our erratic behavior New Light: Vanguard told us to find Savathuun's body, get tricked by one of Savathuun's tricks

What about Lavinia, the cryptarch in training, who met the 9 and got teleported on a floor in a cabin with Savathûn, she has the access to probably do it.

@Mr Pickles fair enough. But on the battle of the six fronts I'm pretty sure that some ghosts were cut off from their guardian and count revive them. And saint and another guardian had to clear a way for them. That's what I can recall. And If they dont need the body then why wouldnt immaru revive savathun rn ?

@@CC-2062 Methinks they need something of their guardian, not necessarily the body... maybe the conciousness has to be recoverable?

Agreed.

But then they wouldn’t call it the ‘Devil’. If it only had benefits, then surely a God or an Angel would be more appropiate?

@@harrymillar4193 who said 'ONLY benifits' ? the 'devil' told them wheich direction to walk.... thats it. and now they are indebted to the 'devil' (which is usually how making deals with the devil works)

On the Ritual Savathun was supposedly using the power hidden on the Tablets of Ruin to move worlds. Tho if she no longer could use the dark powers i dont understand how she did

@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 unless the traveler went to her👀

Hum that "chant" to the notes of Savathun's Song. I'd say they've already paid their debt by spreading that far and wide

@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 and she used hive magic to immobilize us during that first mission

@@awkwardllama0509 Could be a preset Booby trap.

Bad bad

Well would make sense based on the description that the Rigbys would be from Georgia.

Amanda’s mother’s maiden name? The one who had the original chaperone shotgun?

Osiris Rigby has a nice ring to it.

Osiris is Egyptian though. Or at least seems to be from that general area. The Rigby family is possibly from Florida. But again minor speculation

@@dimitriwolf people can immigrate

@@thefatherinthecave943 People were flying out to Saturn and back for vacation during the golden age. I'm sure moving a few hundred miles on the same planet wouldn't be a problem.

@@tylerm6191998 But Rigby is not an Arab name.

Not only that, but they seem to be going back with that old Forsaken (and seson of the drifter, with Lavinia's story and all) concept of Savvy being on Earth with humanity long before Oryx and his Hive entered the system.

@@victorabaderamos6019 Well that makes sense, because why the hell would Clovis Bray build a Vex gate when the only beings who encountered them were the Hive, Crota to be exact and that was old lore from Destiny 1. Most is the writing is done to be able to add missing parts later.

​@@evilformerlys4704 If I remember correctly, the Vex were the first to openly engage Golden Age humanity, and Clovis bulit that gate to visit a Vex star system for his Exo project. Crota's Hive decided to show their faces only moments before the Collapse, Nokris and Xol appeared roughly at the same time, and Savathûn was already here long before any of them (and if we believe Truth to Power, she even served as inspiration for several trickster deities along human history)

The Constellations lore book is written from the perspective of many different Speakers, the one talking about seeing Venus get terraformed being the first. The Speaker who appears in the games has some entries later in the book, where he mentions being "the child of two self-exiles," which probably means he's the son of two Earthborn Awoken.

You need Darkness powers to use them. A hive lightbearer was bored and started drawing runes on the mud. Before they were powerful tithing runes but now they were powerless scribbles

@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 Tithing runes aren't gonna do shit if you can't recieve the Tithe, the hive would need the now dead worm inside them to recieve the tithe. Also source please?

@@thatguyonyoutube2063 I believe is the exotic ship from the season of the Risen.

@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 I don't think you need a worm or a Darkness connection to use Hive magic. Eris uses magic and she's no longer paracausal. The Worm gods told the three sisters that they would teach them to call upon the Darkness with signs and rituals.

@@michaelhenry3234 Hive Magic not, bit Darkness powers I think you need. In the lure Savathun looked at the glaive Blade and mused: "Theres memory on this weapon. Perhaps the-thing-I-was could recover It, but the-thing-I-am-now cannot. I must outsource my memory recovery, i Must use someone Who Can keep light and dark in their breast"

The Traveller was called down to Earth by "a song". I think thats the reason

Or she saw someone in trouble, knew or betted that the traveller would go to earth so she go someone to introduce her song to the city. I think she has done too many horrendous action to feel sympathy

@@papercamera2989 knowing Savathûn, it was probably both. She did help him... But also used him... She loved her family but was also willing to betray them. She is definitely an in betweener lol

That’s very thin Just because the Rigby family lived close to the city on a cliff and Savathun was close to the city on a cliff once doesn’t mean anything. Also savathun could have put Osiris in her throne world or literally anywhere better. There is no advantage putting him with the Rigby family over somewhere where we literally couldn’t reach and was her most protected stronghold

Wait.... Yea you hit the spot!! Itd be weird if she reached Only to a single family... But Savathuns song drew the Traveller to Earth. And Savathuns song has a strong memetic effect, between which includes massive levels of stealth. That you can look at someone and as soon as you turn around you forget they were there at all (What happened with Shaxx and the Ahamkara skull). Savathun on her own could not fathom to cloak the Traveller. But an entire city (or Many people) , all of them singing the same cloaking spell? The combined potency of the spell would have enough to trick the Witness once. Shrouding the Traveller

Thank you for the meme template my man.

Absolutely!

She isn't Nezarec. He's something far more vile , far more great. He's the god of pain . Repent guardian o mine .

@@devilghostface8798 he's a rando void exotic, dude's just D2's version of Lysander

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@@devilghostface8798 O guardian mine*

It would make sense except it doesn’t. It is pre golden age. The splash text says “- passage from the hated nezerac, a pre golden age text.”

His name was Robert Johnson.

Side Story adventures of Randal and Raymond when?

I wonder what muscle man is up to

Traveler is Benson's ancestor, filled with ancient vanilla rather than modern gumballs

A hive god being rezzed in the middle of the city would be insane

@@awkwardllama0509 It would be interesting to see how the city people would react. In the warlord days, she would be seen as just another warlord, but not, since those days are long gone and the guardians that the people know now are nurturing, things might have a very interesting turnout.

There's no way random civilians are getting close to a hive gods body

@@TasmanianGodGeo there was one city researcher who broke into a heavily monitored data center who, when found, was saved from the city's wrath by savathun, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility for savathun to have pulled the right strings somewhere in the city.

@@gackolpz What is this from?

She was essentially taken. But tbh I dont know What happened to Lavinia

Not likely. Savathun built the "machine" the altar of reflection to reproduce the memories like a CD player directly into her mind. She could sense if something held a memory, but she could not activate the memories on her own. All the memories we have shown her are the ones she remembers, but the worm familiar was "encrypted". Something, wether It was being so old the memory was literally irrecoverable or something else, prevented us from showing It to her the first time. Only after Ikora reverts its time with the Enclave do we reproduce the memory. Savathun had no idea she had been tricked. And id wager she didnt know she had been tricked when she was Alive either.... That was NOT a memory of Savathun. That was a memory from the Witness itself (the narrator speaking is the Witness while in all the other ones its Savathun narrating them)

@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 dang, good point. That would've been a cool story twist though.

@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 the worm couldn't be plugged into the alter of reflection because the worm didn't have a memory that Savathun could recall. All the other objects held the residue of her previous life which could be reconstructed but since the worm is a foreign entity, the alter rejected it. After all, how can you remember something you never had a memory of?

But what is the bargain

I don't th8nk so because during the collapse the Traveler was gonna dip out until Rasputin shot it and damaged it and the Traveler hasn't be active until recently

@@wolfmcsnipes4192 Rasputin didn't shoot the Traveler.

@@wolfmcsnipes4192 there was only plans no evidence

@@wolfmcsnipes4192 why do people still say this??? Rasputin didn't shoot the traveller. There was a failsafe to shoot the traveller *if* it ran away, but that plan was never enacted because the traveller never ran. Rasputin didn't shoot the traveller.

That’s… an interesting theory. Makes one wonder.

Thats tripy as fuck

Lakshmi was more than likely Maya sundaresh, a golden age scientist who founded future war cult then was turned into an exo.

Dont worry, he says it incorrectly.

"My name has been / My Name is Byf". Fits the tune of Savathun's Song.