DESTROYING Pokémon Types and Rebuilding Them With Math! 

Imagine his fear when gamefreak releases a new type meaning that he has to do this all again

I can vibe with most of these changes as a purist, except a few. First, I think every type should be able to deal supereffective damage to one other type that isn't itself. It's my big problem with normal, my smaller problem with dragon, and now my problem with this version of steel. The normal problem is offset by having no weaknesses along with no strengths, so I'll let that one slide because it's very interesting. My fix to steel would be to give it the single advantage against fairy, since fey being weak to iron is a real thing in folklore (and fairy's weakness that makes the most sense) so it can deal supereffective damage to one type, and the type that makes the most sense. Making steel weak to dragon would solve my dragon problem as well. My other problem is fire not resisting grass. I get grass needed help, but it (in my opinion) makes it objectively the best starter type (within the context of the type triangle), since it isn't resisted by its weakness unlike the other two.

So as a bench mark for how “good” a type chart is I like to do a Shedinja test (this means nothing and literally just because I kind of want to see if Shedinja would be op), Bug is weak to Fire, Flying, and Rock. With Ghost being weak to itself and Dark we get Shedinja being weak to five types, all of them being the same as the current type chart. Good job!

A common Martial arts training tactics is to spend time in extreme temperatures to build up your endurance and mental fortitude. So fighting resisting cold makes sense.

I like this type chart however it needs some change: -fire should resist grass in order to keep the starters triangle -the dragon gimmic is too RNG, so it should be replace with something like "immune to intimidate -the steel type gimmic should be something like Multiscale but slitly weaker (it takes 2/3 of the damage when full HP), also it need at least one super effective attack, otherwise moves like bullet punch would be completley useless. -psychic types should be immune to Sleep (or just hypnosis) because smart people have an horrible sleep schedule and they can't be hypnotized -also, fixing the type interactions is only part of the solution: every type should have a respective status/weather/terrain and the already existing ones should be reworked.

7:00 This is something I thought about for my own creature collector. However, instead of affecting STAB, it affects the weaknesses and resistances. Basically, the secondary type only affects half as much as the primary type. For example: Lapras is Water/Ice while Spheal is Ice/Water. If they are hit with an Electric move, Lapras would take 2x damage while Spheal would take 1.5x damage. However, the opposite is true with another attacking type. Lapras would take 1.5x damage from Fighting moves while Spheal would take 2x damage. With this change too, it causes 4x weaknesses to automatically be 3x and 0.25x resistances to become 0.375x making double weak not as squishy and double resist not as tanky. It would also make the difference between what is the primary and secondary types matter more. I've never understood why two Pokémon have the same types but in a different order, just feels arbitrary. Solid video as always man! Keep it up!

31:16 Dragons can resist ghosts because dragons are immortal / long livers. Like the oroboros that destroys itself to regenerate itself , dragons shrug off death

So I tried doing some of the maths on this new take on immunity. Of the 171 type combinations, 79 now have immunity to at least one type. Rock/Ground and Steel/Poison are now super OP, being immune to three seperate types (Fire/Electric/Poison and Grass/Poison/Fairy respectively) Imagine fighting Brock with Charmander or Pikachu now haha Amazing! On the other side, the only Official Pokemon with Psychic Immunity is Lokix. I guess Psychic is back to being OP. And Kyurem is immune to dragon which is kinda... thematically fitting...

"Steel no longer hits anything for super effective damage. No one was using steel for offense anyways." [ *Insert sad aegislash and klingklang noises* ] (they are the only offensive steel types I can think of) Edit: oh yeah right, there's also scizor and metagross.

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That immunity change is gonna CRUSH moves like nuzzle and stuff that weren’t meant to deal much damage in the first place and for some Pokémon that’s kinda the whole point to them so MAYBE nerf that a bit…

After 1 year making the old changing the type chart video froopy art still don't get why fairy is super effective against fighting. It's a very valid and simple reason. Fairy is Pokémon version of the magic type. Magic will be able to beat any professional fighters and raw brood strength. Is like the fight scene with ancient one Vs hulk in endgame. Or another example A powerful wizard Vs a strong barbarian. Wizard>barbarian . Magic > strength Similar to psychic>fighting. Psychic is also a similar form of magic. Psychic> fighting Fairy should keeps its super effective damage against fighting. Fairy=magic>fighting.

Steel should still have at least ONE type advantage, but otherwise I see how this is more balanced

Furret: I hit nothing at all... Pacifist furret is the real MVP. Awesome video format! Loved all the cool filming locations! In terms of the type matchups themselves, I definitely see a lot of changes I liked (Ice freezing water is literally such a no-brainer I can't believe it's not already canon.) and a couple that left me scratching my head (Dark types resisting Ice moves for example, and Fairy no longer hitting Dragon for super effective damage.) so, all in all, a super interesting and thought provoking watch! Though, I will admit that I did love your old interaction between Normal and Fairy! I absolutely get why it's way too busted but it still struck me as funny. "Hah! Take that, whimsy. Mundanity triumphs again!"

R.I.P. bullet punch

17:41 Fire needs to resist grass to complete the starter triangle!!

28:11 bug being immune to taunt dosent make sense as in real life bugs can be taunted. Walk up to a wasps nest and you will understand this. I think instead perhaps make them immune to powder moves. You can edit grass and make it only immune to grass status moves, and or make grass recover hp in rain and sun.

fighters tend to be hot headed, so could shrug off the cold rock... well it takes water getting in and freezing to break stone, so it's not really the ice that gets through the defense

I love how expressive you are with you faces and everything, it’s very entertaining and cool

Definitely think steel should still hit Fairy for super effective damage. Iron is the bane of many fae folk. And I believe fairy should still hit dragon for super effective damage, but like that dragon can hit it for resisted damage. Grinds my gears that a Cleffa can just shrug off a Dragon Ascent from Rayquaza because of immunity

I feel like you'd like the cassette beasts type chart, it felt alot more balanced and the type interactions made alot of sense to me

i think an idea for fighting resisting ice is that fighting types are physically fit and therefore more able to withstand cold environments for dark, idk....you could say that they already have a cold heart so ice doesn't do as much?

The project is currently shelved, but for my own creature collector how I manage a "duel type effectiveness" is through combos, not in the sense of a chain of attacks, but in the sense of combining two moves to make one. If you lets say combine two Mechanical Type moves you'll get a 1.2x damage modifier, but if you combine lets say a Material Type and a Fire Type move, one of which is neutral to water and one that is viable to it, it will come out as a super effective attack. This system I feel works pretty good for getting you to not only use a diverse set of mono and duel types, but also use the combo system itself. Not sure how this would work with Pokémon though since combos like these are kind of game changing

While some of these just feel off (steel not being super effective against anything when iron is the most common weakness for fairies in real world lore), fire no longer resisting grass is wild. In a vacuum of the starters, like your first couple rival fights, grass is just the best option.

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I love type rebalancing videos and this is a good one! I love your boldness in axing immunities , I loved your idea that normal should be good against fairy. I’ll be interested if you do any more type chart or game mechanic related content. Suggestion: weather and terrain overhaul

Aside from a few things that I’d personally change on this type chart like steel not having anything to hit for super effective damage. Overall I actually really like this new approach to the type match ups.

Fighting Resisting Ice. Training Montages! Enduring The Harsh Cold! Sitting Under Cold Waterfalls! RAAAH!

"We are gonna give steel types priority on defense and sp.defense boosting moves" Hold up, lemme check how many steels get bulk up or calm mind...

a simple way to make the order of your type matter is you only get the secondary benefit of types from your 1st type

23:44 my concern with poison is that none of its weaknesses make sense. When I tried to rebalance the chart I found poison to be the hardest to imagine logical weaknesses . I settled on fire, ice and water.

Dark type could resist ice, because night time and caves are cold environments alongside being dark environments.

Mathematically interesting, and a fun thought experiment. But in terms of teachability and practical gameplay, may Arceus never let these changes happen. Stapling a highly conditional if/then statement onto your 1.25x STAB change that reverts it to 1.5x if and ONLY if the OTHER type you DIDN'T attack with is also super effective? Do you see how many words it takes just to half-explain that? 3x damage is more mathematically reasonable than 2x but it's painfully unintuitive unless everything else is converted to an add/subtract system around it. Visualizing 2x1.25 mentally is a significantly bigger ask than 2x1.5, assuming this is all still multiplicative. Even if the math is being automated by a game engine, it should feel accessible to the target audience. And the absurdity of the existing immunity mechanic is part of the fun. A Water-type being immune to electric is funny and has good game feel. Ultimately [Fun>Balanced] in game design. It's also worth noting X-factors unique to practical application, most notably moves. In RBY competitive, 4 of the 5 Ice-types are viable in OU. 90% accurate STAB Blizzard is a big part of that. Meanwhile Earthquake makes Ground a fundamentally privileged type in most metas. But I won't comment on the actual type chart changes, since many of those interactions are largely subjective anyway. If GF had arbitrarily made Fire weak to Ice then players would've come up with justifications for it all the same. I mainly disagree with the "this children's game needs more convoluted and internally inconsistent math" segment of the presentation.

Flying types should be immune to Dive, my rational is that seafaring birds are good at hunting fish, but fish or any other aquatic species trying to lunge out of the water have a hard time getting birds. Same for muddy water or surf, birds should be able to fly out of the way.

really interesting reimagining of the chart! i like how every type gets an ability other than strengths and weaknesses to balance them out (dragon’s is especially scary for competitive play!!)

This video is so over my head, but imma watch it and leave this comment here for the algorithm just to support ya. Love the Lilurk shirt by the way!

I agree with a lot of stuff but steel is definitely not done right! You have to make it the defensive unit or there’s no point in giving it no super effective attacks! Also a few issues in flying, dragon, dark, etc but solid except all of steel

A note from me: Dragon, Psychic, Fairy, and Ghost can be seen as four magical types. A lot of Pokemon gods are of the Dragon type. It could be that dragons are reality warpers. Psychic are able to manipulate the world with the mind. Fairy calls the force of nature to side with them. Ghost is necromancy.

I feel like Dragon’s ability is a tad too overpowered, since abilities like Moxie, Chilling and Grim Neigh are for the specific Pokemon, and having Garchomo have a fifth chance (because evasiveness increases must be illegal) to get a speed boost after its swords dance and ko. Having a random stat decrease might be better and plus having a stat increase and decrease in the same turn with a 1 in 25 chance sounds hilarious

the rock type effect is broken and makes entry hazard a lot worse plus the dragon effect breaks the meta

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What if primary typing affects how often a stab move activate a bonus effect or effects a bonus effect (such as stat drops, status conditions, self healing even if its just a 1.2× modifier) so if a pokemon is bug rock, it gets an effect boost from moves like bug buzz (a 10% defense drop becomes a 12% def drop and string shot drops 2 stages instead of 1), and if vice versa, rock bug, rockslide increases flinch chance and rock polish would increase speed by 3 stages instead of 2. That or just increase the accuracy of moves used by the primary typing.

fighting should indeed resist ice because a lot of atheletes train at high altitudes due to the lack of oxygen but the higher they get the colder it is but they manage to get through it, also... warming ups

Well ice and fighting make sense , looking as proverbs like getting fired up , and warming up before any sporty activity. Ice just gets melted

Got some good ideas,as a competitive player,love the idea with stab,especially with dual vs mono type,inherent abilities like grass not being affected by powder,don't agree with getting rid of immunities and certain type match ups,but still an awesome video

Very interesting. I'm not a type chart purist myself, so I do think some more work should be done in flattening out some of the deficiencies of weaker types and maybe bring down a few like Fairy. So great thought experiment here, I'd be curious to see how this would work out if playtested. Generally not much screams out at me as being completely unreasonable. The ONE thing that bothers me is Steel having zero things it is super effective against, that just feels weird.

16:39 I’m sorry fire doesn’t resist grass!????? gotta stay tuned in as to why

The only major problem with making a balanced type chart is that it sort of "closes off" said chart, as adding a new type would throw things out of balance and you'd effectively need to start from square 1 if you wanted to keep the balance. This doesn't really matter if you're perfectly fine with the set of types we've already got, but some people prefer the type chart being more open-ended.

27:50 THANKYOU for removing bug se on dark that was the single interaction that made the lest sense. Personally when I rebalanced the chart I also considered making big good on ground. Instead I decided to make bug se against itself.

I find it funny that gamefreak introduced fairy to balance dragon, and ended up making fairy the new op type. Anyways, I love the new chart. Good job!

Me: You also gonna make Pokémon eclipse episode 11

As a monotype bug player, I approve of this 👍

I don’t like the immunity thing much but i like changes to help other types. And certain things don’t make sense like ice being not effective against dark. Overall great vid can’t wait for the next episodes of Pokemon eclipse

18:26 personally I don’t think water should be weak to poison . This is because purity being contaminated by pollutants is the same concept as why fairy is weak to poison , so this is redundant.

Perfection keeping immunity away

Personally I heartily disagree with the idea everything should be balanced by type. I like that you can have types that are stronger or weaker and then balance them with stats, abilities, moves, etc. When I redid the type chart I made it even a little more unbalanced making Dragon and Steel slightly stronger. I removed fairy (replaced with Arcane which is similar to your normal by hitting everything but dragon and steel for neutral. Dragons actually all absorb arcane as if they had a flash fire like ability), steel became a new weakness for dragon, and steel and dragon were the only types strong against Arcane. Otherwise I believe all I added was poison is supereffective against fighting, ice is strong vs rock and weak to ground (this is purely because I work in environmental ed and ice messes up rocks while it mostly is ignored by soils), bug is immune to psychic/confusion. Besides that primarily I'm 50/50 on the mono vs dual stab. its interesting but idk. I could never remove immunity. I REALLY like it. I generally feel pokemon needs more defense and less offense because one good hit with an attacking pokemon can win most fights.

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I feel like you removing a lot of super-effectiveness from the chart feels kinda bad, it really looks like stall teams are gonna have a field day with this type chart much like you said, adding resistances make a Pokémon exponentially better, same goes for the whole chart. And the fewer way to hit types super-effective really makes the games much more defensive

Froopy looks amazing! :o :o

That hair... glorious...

I disagree that fire should have only 2 weaknesses . Fire is very fragile irl. It’s also very offensive , and most moves can burn. Therefore it should be defensively vulnerable

Personally I think instead of making fairy immune to infatuation I’d make it so that their (contact?) moves should always have a chance to cause infatuation. And or infatuation for a Fairy is twice as debilitating.

While this idea was fun, this would no doubt throw the balance out of whack for people who are used to the original type chart, like myself. Like why does Ice super effective against Dark? I'll probably try to see what happens if I used the chart but made it more realistic in what would be able to hit what. Like how Poison would just wreck a lot of the types.

looking nice so far

I think the special effects of psychic and bug should swap

This isn’t really math but this is fun

Hi, I'm trying to add a new type, but I need help with it. You see, it doesn't have numbers in the values. Do you have any idea why that's happening?

Oh it's not an early April fool's joke.

Would you actually have the pokemon from your Pokemon Eclipse series operate on this type chart? Also on the topic, will the next episode be coming out next Friday?

Why did you preserve the mutual resistance of fighting and bug?

While i prefer your original type chart you made its still good

Steel has to at least be super effective against fairy😮

First face video? Also what a chaotic liminalesque space do you inhabit?

i disagree with the idea that the type chart should be perfectly balanced, or close to that (i think it makes sense within the pokemon world to have a weaker type in bug or rock, say, as long as they get other means to stand out outside of the type chart), and a few decisions (like breaking the fire/grass/water triangle of resistances and weaknesses; making rock and ground more similar; and the 10% boost to speed in rain to water-types feels redundant with swift swim, the boost water-type moves already get from rain, and speed boosts in pokémon have always been in multiples of 50% to facilitate mental math) i also am not a fan of. but i put that all aside to enjoy another video of yours! i love when people math their way to solve a subjective problem like this, and i love your presentation and ideas! as much as i wouldn't be a fan of this new type chart if it became a thing, i absolutely loved the video and seeing your process to reach that, thanks for sharing w us :)

In the future episodes how many Ultra Beast are you gonna create?

Now. ive watched the whole video, and made notes on what I personally didnt seem right. everything not mentioned in the coming textbook of a comment seems - at the very least - good. the first thing im not really sure about: the making that, instead of x4 resists we'd have immunities. i dont like for example, that flygon/garchomp are entirely immune to fire aswell as electric. i dont quite know how to think on ferrothorn being immune to fairy either. kingabit would be immune to ice. that would throw alot of the current balance off. i think it would also just encourage to run as many immunities as possible, which could get annoying fast second, i never got behind why bug resisted fighting. if anyone were to karate chop a bug, that wouldnt end well, even more when that person is a skilled blackbelt. i also dont really get the idea that bug minds work differently than ours, so then their minds are resistant to mental attacks. it seems like a stretch to give bug another resistance. also bugs immunity to taunt would make setup sweepers, like for example volcarona, very strong, because now theres no way to prevent them from setting up, except for imprison. next are flyings relationships with rock and steel, flying is the wind/air/bird type, and neither is a effective weapon against a boulder or a block of metal also, if flying is atleast part the bird type, then isnt hitting it with a rock super effective? if its the wind type, then why are ice and electric super effective? (why am i putting so much effort into this pointless comment) next, i dont think that grass should be neutral on dragon. i get the magical implication, but as a weapon roots and wooden sticks arent gonna make the best tool against the thick, layered scales of a dragon. but i also think that such a strong neutrally attacking type should resist 5 types. while were at dragons, i dont think they should get beast boost. no matter how you put it, it would make dragon incredibly op. and also there are two actual ultra beasts that are dragons, so eg. naganadel would just get +1 SpAtk and +1 on a random stat for each K.O. steel types having defensive prankster would also be a huge problem. theres a good portion of pokemon with access to either cosmic power, or both iron defense and amnesia. for example goodra-H it could just boost its defenses as needed, and then sweep with body press, which also tethers into the dragon boost problem. the rain boost for waters is also something very dicy, since 10% could be too much, but anything less would only be noteworthy if youre already trying to go fast. also, with so many swiftswimmers that boost would skyrocket their already high speed even further. please note, that may seem like alot of criticism, but there is way more change where i had my mind blown by how creative and positive it'd be. you put alot of effort into this, and i would never do this myself. this is just some random guys opinion nobody asked for. i have way too much freetime, i spent way too much time and effort on this... anyway thanks for listening to my TED_talk!

how many rooms does this guy have?!!!

16:16 Lilurk evo!

Pokémon company hate bug types must of them are just generally bad state wise

Dragon isn’t weak to fairy ?

Is it just me, or are you slowly starting to look like Alex Hirsch 😂. This video is great though, helped me understand a little bit more of how pokemon types actually work.

I love froopy art but i hate math

this is awesome😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

Better than your first attempt without question _but_ you still went too far with the Fairy Type. Thankfully it’s not completely useless this time around, since you acknowledged your previous mistake with the Normal Type, but it’s still a bad idea to remove Fairy’s super effectiveness against the Dragon Type when that was _literally_ the whole reason the Fairy Type was added to begin with. Likewise Fairy should also be one of the only Types weak to Steel because that was the only reason to have a Steel type on your team, or at least Pokemon with Steel Type moves, and made sense thematically given the Fae have a weakness to iron General balancing advice: If someone says Fairy should not be an offensive threat thematically, they are almost certainly a dragon humper who wants their favorite Type to be overpowered again and thus their opinion should be discarded completely

31:35 Nah 1 stage? How about 2 stages

Normal type is very boring

Hi

Overuse of negative descriptors.

math was my worst subject in school x-x; I'm not going to understand this shit and yet I'm here anyway cause I'm intrested