Dice Control vs Random Throw : Part 2 

I'm dice controller and I knew KD was gonna get wrecked. He'd been waiting weeks, maybe months for this and one of the worst things you can do is hit the table when you're excited/anxious. During the first few years of dice setting I noticed I was always doing horrible on my first few rounds. I would always hit the table right when I got to the casino. Fast forward a few years and I will no longer hit the table immediately. Being relaxed before you throw is important

This video is important. First I was like Color Up do all this learn like a vet but then claim rookie. But nah, this man know exactly what he’s doing. Prob the best video on the subject s/o KD 💯

Hahah I’ve been waiting for this part two for ages! This dude got exposed hard. Thank you so much for doing this little series.

A great video shows both sides well. Thanks for the efforts.

Great video. There is a way to Set the dice faster and fluidly faster: Practice setting the dice. You have a 3 on one dice, you see a 4 on the other dice? The 3 is on the back side. If you can get your set instantly set in 1 second - you have more time to throw.

I really enjoyed this two-part video. I like the fact that you partnered up with another dice expert. This is a really cool video. I can tell you put a lot of time into these videos. I like how you’re tracking the numbers down on the screen. This is a really professional looking video and you’re doing a great job. I’ll continue to watch these videos.

Great video as always. Hope more “dice influencers” will play against you. I like that you out rolled him on his table.

This is a great video. You can tell he I was getting frustrated and was just complaining. I agree with him sometimes it is not his day. I think control rollers are real but believe you have to be in the zone to win big. I have been on a table with a control roller and I won $400 because of him.

Hell yes let’s see some excitement going

I was at a big casino last night where I watched 3 shooters at a craps table and one setting dice when I walked up. I don't know how long he'd been shooting before I appeared but I watched him roll 12 times before he sevened-out, making thousands of dollars for everyone. The guy at the other end of the table was betting $100 chips and let hit numbers ride, and when they hit again he'd take down both winnings and let the original bet stand. He had three long rows of $5, $25 and $100 chips on his rail. The dice setter hit lots of doubles.

Great video, very entertaining! Maybe KD was having a bad day!

Anyone can set the dice, but not too many can threw the dice consistently to the same location with the same force.

It craps, the dice make the decisions. Consistency of form could somewhat give a trend to the results. But in the end, nothing can be totally controlled once the items leave the hand.

Congrats on coloring up👍👍😁

When a dice controller is only trying to shift the house edge by a few percent there’s really not a drastic difference between a random role and a controlled roll the goal is you play long enough you win. Primm has the short tables and the girls running the dice when I went didn’t even care if you hit the back wall I was rolling hardways left and right!

looking at the overall stats, seems like you both averaged the same types of rolls. i do see the appeal and bias of dice control, but i like that you are open minded about it. nice little clip at the end where you both enjoyed a night at the table, seems like the verdict is that both Pros and Joes will have good and bad days. great vid at always!

Actually, even though Color-up meant well & is NOT trying to “ expose” King Dice in any way, shape, form, or fashion....... he INADVERTENTLY showed others that all that glitters ain’t gold, & that you have to be very mindful of those that Preach Dice Influencing IN THE WAY that King preaches it ( being a sport, you’re an athlete, building an army of skilled shooters, making Dice Influencing an Olympic Soort, etc)! Remain cognizant of those that speak in forked Tongue, EVEN IF THEY ARE GENUINELY NICE GUYS ( which I truly believe King is)! The guy is simply Dice Influencing ON STEROIDS!!!!

Heh, Color up, I actually read your comment in Part 1 that most of these Dice Influencers would not go on camera!!! Well, you are right! The smart ones won’t......for fear of falling flat on their face, & that includes myself with almost 12 yrs of practice, Casino sessions, & experience. It’s NOT that “ some” cannot influence the dice. It’s simply that influence is so close to random that it’s really hard to discern between variance, & skill. Just as the Card Counter with a 2% advantage, can have many losing sessions, so it is ...with the Skilled Shooter. Only difference is that the Smart Skilled Shooters don’t go on camera trying to promote Dice Influencing & teaching others UNLESS there’s a hidden agenda ( usually $$), although I DO realize that King just enjoys the camaraderie & teaching! The guys that are really successful at Dice Influencing go about their business blending in with the crowd, losing some, winning some, but because of MAYBE a 2% advantage.... remaining on the positive side of the ledger. No making mortgage payments from Casino winnings. No Car payments, or Vacationing off of Casino winnings. Simply a little something extra $$$$ from time to time. You see..... Dice Influencing is NOT what a lot of these guys teach. It’s not a magic bullet, or Holy Grail. It’s simply a craft wherein you toss as perfectly as possible, tossing in tandem with accuracy IN THE HOPE that you’ll receive favorable outcomes when the dice finally come to rest!!! You see.... what occurs in “ Real time” ( the dice SEEMINGLY hitting & dropping dead) to the Naked eye is NOT what REALLY happens during a dice toss, & this is why Stanford Wong ( one of the most respected Casino gamblers) backed off of Dice Influencing & removed it from his Black Jack forum as beatable Casino games. Yeah, we all know that Wong also stopped practicing Dice Influencing & got a bit rusty, & all that, but the most compelling evidence for Wong was when he viewed slow motion videos of EXPERT Dice tosses by some of the very best in the business!!! How many of these guys that brag about an advantage of 3,4,5 % & beyond do you think have actually filmed slow motion video of their dice tosses & the chaotic behavior that a dice toss endures after JUST INITIAL TABLE CONTACT ........ EVEN BEFORE HITTING THE BACK WALL? Lol Don’t Answer!!! Lol What really irks me is when people purport the craft to be more than what it really is. A skilled shooter will never posses an advantage of more than 2%, & that’s being VERY GENEROUS!!!! You can take THAT statement to the bank & deposit it!!! Just my opinion!!!

A dice controller is someone that fights against reality 😂

Really appreciate both of you guys honesty. Show like it is what it is ect. Fun to watch. Glad you both won some $$. That was cool in the end. Like the comment I don't gamble I win.....

I don't care what any one says, I've been rolling the dice for nearly 22 years, and a random shooter with no idea what they are doing will wreck your bankroll. Dice sets work, and so does knowing where your dice are landing, and what numbers you are repeating on that particular table. For some reason, I roll better on the acrylic tables, they don't bounce around as often.

60% of the time, it works every time. HAHAHA

Thanks color up nice mini series. Would you be able to do more videos like these from so called dice influencers or dice controllers... would be very interesting to see their perspective individually. Btw King , surely seemed a.nice guy but too many excuses ( maybe his bad day).....stay home stay safe We can save some dough 😉😊

You are a very gracious winner Jeremy and gave DC a bit of time at the end to save face. Nice gesture. His mechanics seemed consistent but the results were very similar to what I experience at a craps table vis a lot of short rolls. A good case for the dark side I guess. Was he using the 3V set the entire contest? Thanks GO BROWNS

This is straight comedy. 😂

That guy throws like me....😂 a random....😂😂😂

Nice video guys

I love reading these comments, "he's having a bad day." "I use DI and I have good days and bad days" I think you mean you're like everyone else and have "lucky days" and "unlucky days" but feel it necessary to slow the flow of the game to set dice. Physics. It's sad that it's an optional course in highschools.

Love your videos and enjoy they aren't "fixed", like some on here. I believe in dice control but, my problem is, some days, I just can't throw properly. There are days I throw, and every roll is a hard way exactly what i set for. Other days, it's more like random, as if I hadn't set the dice at all. I've had days when I could set for 12 and roll it over and over. Other days, I'll set for a twelve and it'll double pitch!

Man, lol - feel so bad for him. Thanks for the content again Color!

I ain’t doubting him on his throw but I wish this wasn’t the explain we put out here lol

good finish bud🙂

This was GREAT!!!

When he rolls it reminds me of a Boston Dynamics creation. Hey @Boston Dynamics, can you build me a dice shooting robot?

I like him, but it's so fun watching him roll sevens

Love the excuses, lol 😂

What exatcly happened at 8:38 ? I could tell there was alot of tension in dc. Kinda a awkward moment but what was the stick man trying to do and why did dc get upset. ?

Shout out to KD for sharing his knowledge

and your right a monster roll could pop off at any time, sometimes it is good to stick around?

I've watched DK, Color up and Bonethrower They all share good information. I for one believe in the D.I. but like anything it takes practice. I can't practice so if I play it has to be for the real deal. Here is what I have learned and figured out for myself. I do NOT consider myself an influencer. I may try it but again. I don't have a table to practice on. With that said lets get into what kind of things affects a roller. The table is a big factor. The size of the table is what I mean. Then you got the different kind of felt and if its a bouncy table or a hard table. This all factors in. Into your roll. Its kinda like bowling, you have to see how the lanes are and make adjustments on the fly. Sad thing is that your doing this with money and the smallest of errors either betting or throwing can upset what your goals are for that session. Next thing that goes into how the dice roll is the ACTUAL dice themselves. Now they are all supposed to be equal and waited the same. But I'm telling you, not all dice are created equal and this is a FACT. I used to throw a lot of horseshoes when I grew up and I know about weight and the slightest difference and what it does or can do to your rotation. Its the same thing with dice. The way the spin or don't spin and the way the land. The weight is an important factor but no one really considers this since ALL Dice are supposed to weigh the same. The glossy and non glossy dice also play a role too. One is smoother than the other. Depending on tables one tends to stick better than the other where it just keeps on going. That's partly due to over rotation and the surface of the table and dice. If you are off any any areas of influence and don't have control of the table you will become more of a random shooter than a True influencer. Influencing a dice just for a small period and then losing the touch as the say and becoming more random. Lets just say you do this over the long haul. You will show more winnings than if you were just a straight up random roller. Lastly is the type of betting you employ. Obviously the more control you have over the dice the less creative you have to be about how you bet. You'll see more gains regardless. If you employ a proper bankroll strategy along proper betting techniques, coupled that with Dice influencing. You can really show steady gains in ever session you play and definitely can make you a winner over the long haul. That is what I feel can happen. But mind you if your not perfect at D.I. it doesn't matter as long as you play with in your means and not over extend yourself you should be able to have a fun time and show some winning sessions. I am by no means a professional gambler or even a D.I 'er. I have tried it out at times but I only play casually and when I say that. I mean once in a blue moon. I have had success at times. But in my opinion in being a successful D.I.er takes practice , practice, practice. Then when you have the basics down, grip, throw, release ect… You WILL have to make adjustments based on the tables and that is what is going to make you or break you at the tables in regards to Dice Influencing.

KD what's up. Change your Dice Set might make all the difference! People!!! Look at the numbers thrown over the amount of throws. He's setting for inside numbers and he's throwing inside numbers. It's more valuable to THROW numbers you bet on then just Random Numbers. KD just do what you do, pitch count, bet on the numbers you throw and know when to Stop.

He got exposed badly. He talks the talk, but his "skill" is nowhere to be found. Thanks Color Up

But man! I had my bad today. I learned a great lesson though....Talk about bad math day!

BTW, Best set to use 98% of time is "Hard Ways set...Way less chance of a 7 over Any other point set. DK started with and mainly played the V-3 set, finally changed to Hard Ways set, then changed to a 1-3 set on top-where he got his longest roll. Based on the 7's he rolled, his dice separated and landed out-of-sync forward, And flipped side to side--so he was off on 2 different planes on Both dice. For a dice-controller-2 Huge problems. Nice video Jeremy. Was surprised to hear you played Basket Ball. Any other sports you liked to play? I enjoyed hand ball, racket ball, tennis, soccer, baseball, gymnastics, Volley ball, and basket ball.

U would think he would use a different dice set with all these 7s lol

the standard overhand shot will always be random. actually worst than random because you eliminate three degrees of freedom try the underhand throw - the physics of the forward rotation and hitting the bottom bumper yields much better results

How do I contact you to shoot against you? Name the stacks I’m there! I’ll play with both you guys combined vs me (SenSei). 👀👀👀👀

I tried dice control.best answer i can give you it's not consistent.i have been playing craps since the 90s.the table play goes in cycles.thats consistent.dice overall are erratic.

"I'm not here to gamble, I'm here to win." LOVE the attitude. When a DI is off, and it happens, the DI has NO advantage and the bankroll will suffer. That is why I have betting strategies for random tossers that I have tested on my home table. On the days when I am doing my practice casino session and I'm tossing point - 7 then an 8 roll then point-7 I stop throwing with precision and just chuck them like Color Up does. The best part of craps is that it allows us players to play both ways, unlike blackjack when a shoe is bad we can't bet with the house.

"King" Dice sure knows how to throw.... 7s 😂

"I feel it, $500 across" (Rolls 7). Bwahaaaaa

I do not expect "dice control" will dramatically allow anyone to control the outcome. I do however think that consistency will slightly improve the outcome over time. I doubt its dramatic but I expect that over 1000 rolls, a dice control thrower will see slightly fewer 7's than a random thrower. There are far too many variables overall but consistency and placing the die where it takes a full 180 degree difference in rotation to produce a 7 seems like it logically would be a good strategy.

Hey Jeremy, I watched EVERY SINGLE ONE of your videos, I’d want you to roll for me every time... every single time, coming out that is! 🤣

This dice king guy is comedy

I loved the part where after completely failing to control any thing, even his lame excuses, he finally gets together a measly eight rolls, and announces, as far as rolling seven's is concerned, "he's done with that". Then immediately rolls a 7.

Jeremy--in your 10 rounds you won! And by 10 shots! Congratulations! Understand why you have your doubts...though at the real casino he did help you double your bankroll.

All that counts is taking the money from the casinos in the long run; not be a hot shot craps shooter on youtube.

Both sessions, he went 3 for 5; 60% (75% is random, 80% is skilled.) 6/10 of his rolls got at least 1 inside number after comeout, the goal is 8. This is too small a sample to know his skill, but I'd bet cautiously (or wait until he shows his skill.) He does throw well, just didn't workout this time. He should practice before each session, but again; his throw seemed fine.

They don't call me the dicemaster because I love craps, I love craps because I'm the dicemaster

I'm a DI and I agree exactly with what he says about leaving. But he shouldn't use the hardways set because any on axis roll can give him a seven fast. Hardways sets are for less experienced shooters who have one dice going off axis..which is ok on a hardways set.

Man I just saw this . . So glad I use wager me this and dge ways to win at this game I dont belive there is control in dice maby influence other numbers but damm . Put on the spot son lol

Down goes Frazier!!!

4:18 "you lost all your money" -color up

Got the popcorn and a 6 pack of beer 🍺 waiting impatiently

The name of the casino is hilarious.

Would love to see his verified results on real gaming craps over the course of a year with 100s or 1000s of rolls. Bet the results would be due to his betting strategy not the Dice Setting!

One thing is certain..... Dice Influencing audiences will always remain critical!!! If you are going on Camera in front of thousands, as an instructor ..... you’d better be on your “ A” game. Anything less & you will be heavily criticized!!!!! Now, a while back King offered to fly me down to Denver to ( in his own words) “ Show me what you got”!! Now, why would i want to do THAT? Admittedly so, I have nothing more or less than the next guy that tries to influence the dice. Get on camera & try to prove/teach that I am a good shooter? For WHAT purpose? Pride? I’d just as soon have more pride lifting a few coins from the Casinos!! Why do THAT when I might fall flat on my face? ( regarding beating probability)!!! The big difference is that I don’t teach, or purport Dice Influencing to be more than what it is. I won’t get on camera & tell the masses that if you practice diligently, that you will be able to influence the dice. What diligent, & arduous practice WILL reward you with is a sound, mechanical toss that is accurate wherein the dice travel in tandem, & hit the same area on the table with minimal rollout after initial table contact & contact with the pyramids. Now, the million dollar question is “ Does THAT constitute influence if you do all of those things correctly?” The answer is “ It SHOULD,( theoretically) but it might not”!!! Now, I realize THAT is a hard pill to swallow after practicing so hard, & putting in so much work, & time, but..... THAT’S the realty of Dice Influencing!! All those years of hard work & preparation to develop a toss that looks perfect but renders absolutely no influence), or if you truly become highly skilled.... A 2% advantage!! You see... there’s three groups of Dice Influencers. (1) Those that believe that if you practice hard enough & develop the skill that you will possess the Holy grail. (2) Those that know that all of the hard work renders AT BEST a long term 2% advantage. (3) Those that SWEAR that they can influence the dice, practice religiously, but just don’t possess the required superior hand/eye coordination & fine motor skill to successfully execute CONSISTENTLY!! Which group am I in? Group number 2!!!!

Jeremy throws you must play the horn. He always hits horn numbers. KD with a 440 across bet with regression on the last roll would certainly have made money.

is this a fresh session or a continuation of the previous?

Hey Color UP, just curious what you, or others you know of, use for there under lament on home tabels.? currently building my home table during stay at home order and almost finished, just going back and forth on what to use, any recommendations? Thanks

Dice control may just be a mindset but hey if it keeps you positive when risking money then hell believe you’re a Jedi for all I care

Well look at that! 9 6 8 9! A money maker! Lol

It's interesting seeing the comments on this video with other setters seeming to give about a 50/50 split of conflicting advice on how to set the dice for the best results. I'm in the camp that thinks that in theory you can influence the dice, if you can manage to throw very consistently, from the exact same position. Sadly no human will have the precision needed to really make it matter as even a slight variation in where the dice hit the alligator will cause a lot of difference in where the dice fall. I'd actually like to see a robot of some sort that can throw the dice from the exact same position with the same force and angle and see how consistent even it's rolls would be. In theory such a thing would get the same roll every time, but I just doubt it would turn out that way.

King Dice is throwing the hardways.. it works until your axis/Yaw is off ..Increases odds to 25% that a 7 will show..compared to random odds and this is proving it ..HARDWAYS set has to be 100% perfect to work.. The KING here is creating his own problem on the launch.. from off/Above the deck..Not consistent compared to launch from the perfectly aligned flat hard table deck. You actually have to find your own custom SET to work against your self imposed axis/roll over flaws. Mine is the off set Boxcars with 2-3 on bottom.Snake eyes on the back.. it creates ALL TALL ALL SMALL PAYOUTS hitting all the numbers. I have done it many times. several times 2x on long 20 plus rolls. It takes a lot of throws to discover your natural custom Set.

Fair dice will always roll randomly.

Wow...I feel for KD. That hurts the brand.

Its YOUR specific math cycle completion ......its is YOUR specific full circle math paradigm. That's at least a small factor in explaining your bad night Dice King.

The V3 is not a good set but a hardway set is better and more forgiving. The V2 and V3 sets, you got to be on your game to use them

The dice roll in cycles, when the field comes it comes, when it don't it won't, same with hardways and with 7s

With craps, you hopefully watch your rack grow longer …. But I’ve noticed if you don’t color out…. You will watch the rack disappear. So now… once I see rack fill…. I color out. Maybe I do a partial color if they let me. Have it played in a long time. But last time I did… I was so lucky. I’d step away and smoke… and when i get back two people had already 7 out while i was gone 4 min. i just could not make a mistake. get up… get out. had a time where i had to get money…. while i was gone…. dude fire bet 7 points and only reason i wasn't on it was cause i stepped away. You gotta feel what kind of day it is.

Aiming in the corner is a no no specially in dice controlling

to me a great dice controller is someone who bets the Don't and is able to hit 7's because that is the easiest number to hit!! Think about it, if you cant hit 7's to win $ then what makes you think you can hit the harder numbers??

The 3 4 was hot. Hate that so much

Myths that destroy a dice bettor’s bankroll.

I guess one has to be a believer to think "precision " dice setting makes a difference . But then again, I've read about the stats relative to the fact that it DOES make a statistical difference which doesn't require human faith.

He just proved there is no such thing as dice control. All he did was set the dice. The throw might be soft, but is flying randomly.

Flamingo poolside has the baby table.

King of dice is a perfect shoter to play the "don't pass"

No 4 , 12

Arch is too high that's where the 3 4 is coming from

Man, some week ass rolling.

Looking past the raw numbers and investigating the percentages of the law of big numbers. The seven should come in 1 in 6 or 16.66% of the time, CU mean to seven was 27.9% and KD was 27.6%. Box numbers should happen 24 in 36 rolls or 66.66%, CU was 54.4% and DK was 56.9%. Both are very similar but way off what is expected. I suspect dice are wore. Using the orange dice and monitoring the seven combo (1-2, 2-5, 3-4), should be 33.3%, 33.3% 33.3% for a completely random thrower. CU rolled with the orange dice 26.7%, 53.3%, 20.0%, KD threw 28.6%, 28.6%, 42.8%, with the blue dice CU rolled 0.0%, 25.0% 75.0% and DK rolled 11.1%, 22.2%, 66.6%.

More like Prince Dice

EGGSALINT video!!!

That surprised me, but I know from practicing that distractions are real...wether its writing yourw score, typing you're scores, etc...at lets until that becomes yourw normal...but when you go to the table you wont be bringing youre tracker program....I'm going to suggest doing both....just for comfort zone...then you can mentally refer back to pure table....you can always film and add the numbers later!

Here is how you can debunk this OR add a new "strategy": Just "mess" your shot up and bet for 7's.

Why is he using the 3-v set????

Not as much a Dice King, more like a table cooler

Dice control is about concentration. He was talking too much. It's also about the short game. I was at Hard Rock Cincinnati last night. Threw for over an hour. Guy next to me was tipping me 5 to 10 bucks every 3 or 4 rolls. Rolled everything but a 2. Started with 100 bucks colored up with 515. Bet too conservative. Then a guy at the end of the table came up tipped me 300 bucks. Great night. Started with the all 7 set threw 2 sevens to start. Hard table. Switched to cross 6's set then every time i got that itch I switched to hardways set. Also hit 6 points. Of course I forgot to play the fire bet.

It’s a great video just sad to see king dice talk shot on all the other craps channels now