I’m gonna need a season 3 premier by the end of the year/beginning of next year before I believe all those claims that we won’t suffer like we did with this season
If you think its amazons call and not inept producers being unable to deliver sub par animation.. when fuutrama and simposns and family guy and american dad and whtever else were spitting out 15-20 episodes a year... well you are quite mistaken
Cecil is such an underrated character this season. We see bits of humanity and compassion from him, but they're always covered by a veil of uncertainty. You want to believe he cares about the other characters, especially Mark, Debbie, and Donald, but you just can't trust him. Every interaction, word, and action has to be analyzed and I love it. We see a lot of his softer side but even then it might just be an act. I can't even blame the guy since he's up against random bullshit every other minute. Super secret government leader type characters are always either cold assholes or cool badasses. Cecil is such an interesting character.
Nah fr in the comic she literally is just depressed for half the thing and her story revolves around Nolan, she actually has gown to be her own person which is hella cool
Sandra Oh deserves a lot more credit for making Debbie such a compelling character. She is on the same level as Jk Simmons and Steven Yuen in terms of voice acting imo.
One thing I would like to see is her alcoholism because the attention it gets it the show is mixed, like sometimes it feels it’s played for comedy, so I can’t tell if they will actually dive into it because I wish they would, when she blames mark for Nolan leaving I thought that was super interesting and which a few tweaks could be a insanely good moment where Debbie isn’t just a victim that needs to overcome her situation but also inner own way a bad person that needs to improve herself beyond getting over what other people do.
Yep, I honestly feel like she was written WORSE in early season 2 just because of that. Instead of addressing the problem from season 1, they swept it under the rug and turned Amber into a different character, hoping that people would ignore it or forget. It just feels weird. Thankfully it resolved really well, but still.
I've seen plenty of talk and buzz about it. It just didn't have any massive "break the internet" moments like Nolan killing the Guardians or Nolan beating down Mark, and it didn't need them either.
It was a very good season, but like you said there weren't many shocking or overly climatic moments. The only "weakness" this season has is that it is more set up for the truly epic things to come.
Totally see what you mean. For me, that lizard league fight was that moment for me this season. This season felt like it focused more on the emotional weight all these characters shoulder and developed them enough to pull at our heartstrings when something insane pops off.
Tbh, this season was mainly setup. After this point, season 3 is where shit gets real. Like, if anyone read chainsaw man, you could equate what's gonna go down in season 3 to what happened during chainsaw man after the bomb girl arc. In other words, expect chainsaw man ass pacing fr.
They shot themselves in the foot releasing with a 4 month hiatus in between. Still excited for Season 3 tho, Kirkman said every episode's like a finale for it.
Totally on the Mark and Amber stuff. I thought they'd ended like four episodes in a row and each time it was like "oh... they're still together? They're still having the same conversation as last time but haven't actually... ended it yet?" Felt real weird
Because in the comics he ended it as soon as he got back from space with sequids, because it wasn't fair to her, him being away so much. He also came back to her chilling in her room with some dude.
@@Neo.Jordon Yeah, so happy they cut that thing out, it painted Mark in a really ugly light... And of course, the way said dude turned out in the end wasn't all that pretty either...
Look a little deeper. Amber isn't understanding at all, it's still all about her. Post graduation, when they meet in the tree house? William says something goofy, Mark broods, Eve makes a short comment about helping with cleanup - and Amber goes into far too much detail about her helping out at the shelter. The talk between Mark and Art about girls? Amber is perfect and deserves better. Hell, she is so perfect that she feels guilty for stealing Mark's time away from people he could save. The damn BREAK UP scene they had makes Amber sound like the most entitled character in the entire show.... Imagine that wasn't Mark she was giving this speech to. imagine that was literally any other dude who has a dangerous profession, getting lectured by his girlfriend how him going out and doing something important makes her feel like she is bereft of "agency". I didn't think they could make that character worse, but somehow, they managed...
I do like Rex’s development but I do think having him have such a change after being shot in the head was weird . If I was shot in the head I think I’d be a worse person after. Or I feel they should of given him more of a disability to adapt to after it, like he doesn’t even have a speech impediment.
@@felixowen2693it depends on the person really. Like I for one would probably be a better person solely because I'd be so grateful I'm still alive after getting shot in the head and make me rethink on my past actions.
@@felixowen2693 He was trying to be better before hand. Its obvious when he went to speak to Eve, although he wasnt perfect and wanted to slack off. But getting shot made him realise how fragile everything is
@@crimsoneclipse0618 no I mean I’m pretty sure losing parts of your brain result in aggression. Idk it might depend on what part of your brain goes away. Unless he was lobotomised and just chill.
I'm currently starting S2 from the beginning after just finishing the last episode to see if the change in pacing changes how I perceive the story. I enjoyed the season, but it felt disjointed, and some plot points seemed out-of-the-blue, but I suspect that's because I watched S2 weekly as the episodes came out.
@@JuliusCheeser223I just forgot about it tbh and then just saw they came back and was like oh nice. Plus bad batch season 3 came out soon after the mid season break.
100% agree about getting more voice actors, it was getting really noticeable how many characters have the same voice actor as new characters were introduced
Marcus is like the 4th or 5th person I've heard say the Atom Eve special fight was on another level. Goes to show when you only have to animate one episode, you can put your all into it.
I have watched so many great superhero fight scenes but the Bridge fight in the atom eve special is Great. It's one of the best, if not THE best. I love how it was animated, the music, the camera angles, the choreography. Chef's Kiss.
The storyboard artist they hired for that segment boarded the whole thing like they were doing key animation, which is why the movement felt more dynamic. I wish they would spend the time and money on artists like him who are willing to go harder in storyboards like that.
Honestly really disappointed by that. I was okay with Rex surviving because he was by far the most interesting guy in that triplet, then I was shocked yet happy with Shrink Ray surviving. Then by the very end Kate returns and I'm like wtf
@@ButtonMasher2002I mean… Kate being alive makes sense, but it’s literally thrown in at the last second to give Immortal a reason to not be so fucking miserable
Totally forgot about the show but your thumbnail reminded me the second half had been released. Thank you, would have totally forgot about it for a while otherwise lol. Spot on about the bleakness vs hope theme. A good superhero fantasy inspires heroism. A great superhero show includes the flaws and cynicism of the world. The best superhero story should ground itself in the bleakness and challenges of the world but inspire hope in spite of them.
For me Nolan was a mystery I didn’t know why he was doing things and each episode made me believe he was evil but I was never worried about mark shocked but not worried. Levy was finding ways to kill mark only showing up a few times but I was always wondering when he would show up and who was working with him I unlike Nolan who was evil levy was insane and his moments with marks mom had me so worried for her and the baby
Love the point you make around 8:00 - from the time I read Invincible I always saw it as the reconstructionist superhero story. Like okay, we've had all the stories about how living in a superhero world wouldn't be the four-colour fantasy of the golden and silver ages. How heroes wouldn't really be heroic. Now here's how they *could*, while still retaining the realism.
I liked when they had the little joke about cutting corners in animation, and then later in the episode when Mark and Amber have their big resolution, they focus on all the things they said they ignore when they're trying to save time and cut corners. Was a really nice touch 👍
Think Amazon! Your release schedule will outlast the attention of every insignificant subscriber on Prime! You'll live to see the excitement crumble to dust and blow away! The hype and the momentum WILL BE GONE. What will you have after a 109 day hiatus?!
The show didn't lose it's hype though...it was getting 100k+ views in just a couple of hours on YT, a lot of people were talking about it on twitter, and agent spider increased the attention around it too...oh and it became #1 on prime.
daaaaaaaamn two videos in the same week thank you marcus, u are my goat. personally I enjoyed the stuff with college and amber mainly because I thought I could relate to a lot of how mark was feeling in those regards, but yeah def a little drawn out when it should have happened in half the episodes. Though the ending to that arc was really good IMO so it kinda made it worth it to me.
i really wish i was a fly on the wall during the meeting in which amazon decided it would be a great idea to split an 8 episode season in half with a 4 month hiatus in between, it literally killed the momentum of the series :/
I agree with you increased size thigh streamer that I watch, it’s kinda hard to get into a good series when all the build up and investment is broken from a 4 month hiatus, not to mention this season felt like it needed to be way more than 8 episodes. Like 15 or 20 episodes at least because so much stuff like Angstrom or Mark’s relationships or Nolan and the Viltrumites are all crammed in way too badly
It probably went something like "man these strikes are kinda actually hurting our profits, so while we have to wait for the last episodes to be finished, how about we delay a few more months to release them until we roll out the ads system at the end of the tax year & add that premium tier? We can guarantee multiple months of subscriptions and take advantage of Spider-Verse being delayed and Marvel & DC slowing down their releases! We'll be the only new superhero property airing for everyone to watch and we'll rake in billions!"
I was, but at the same time, I understand that the streaming model is collapsing, so if they don't put in ads, either they jack up the prices or cut content to meet their quarterly goals. Granted they're going to do all those things anyway, but if ads slow down the process, I'll take the small win where I can.
thats why they did a split in the season, the first part didnt have ads and then the second part did. Cant even watch fallout without ads now, how much money does amazon fucking need man?
I didn't even know it had a hiatus until recently. I just got drunk one night and watched the whole season in one go. Then I watched it again and again. I really liked it.
It's a theory that I haven't seen that many people talk about, but I think the break was a result of Amazon spreading out content because of the strikes. Because they were intent on not paying people for months, they decided to spread things out, since for the last few months, they've only had 1 big show running at a time
@@pooppoop8142 Invincible is one of their most popular shows. The other shows were probably already slated for a specific time and to reverse wouldn't have been worth it.
3:20 I believe Mark´s arc is about him trying his hardest to convince himself that he´s not his dad, that he´s not capable of losing control no matter what the universe throws at him. Even if his mom and boss insist that he´s not him, Mark never truly accepts this. As Mark said to Darkwing´s sidekick : -You have no idea what im capable of. 3:50 thats kinda the point tho, Mark really doesnt wanna turn into a super-soldier that does Cecil´s dirty work. That´s why he wanted to make it work, to look for alternatives so superhero´ing isnt his go to, but Mark cant help himself. If he has the ability to help people, he will go where Cecil tells him to, because at the end of the day, there are lives at stake.
fully agree. While his arc is a bit similar to last season's he's trying to figure out how he can NOT just be a superhero. Last season was about him balancing being a hero and normal since he had to live the double life but now he has to choose.
Plus, it shows that Mark is similar to Nolan in more ways than the whole finale dilemma. He has superhero-ing built into his blood BECAUSE of his dad. It's why I believe that's the major thing that made Mark a hero in this universe. In most, his dad was probably more open with his Viltrumite side which influenced him to be more like "his people". Interesting stuff imo!
@@lukedevlin5948 "If it is natural to kill, why do men have to go into training to learn how?" - John Baez There is an ocean of difference between a revenge power fantasy daydream, and the reality of taking a life, regardless of the external pressure. If there wasn't, PTSD wouldn't be a thing and all veterans would be well adjusted.
@@mcmosfet2856 fair point, can’t say I have killed anyone, but equally in a situation of not only self defence but defence of my family I can’t say I would have any regret of putting down a deranged psychopath. But maybe mark is scarred from the image of angstroms face as a soup. I just think he comes off as weak as opposed to resilient by the end when there’s a much bigger battle ahead of him
Season 2 is good but not nearly as strong story-wise as the first season. This season is essentially dealing with all of the aftermath of season 1, which isn't necessarily a bad thing because it's good to have the character breathe and really feel the impact of what they went through. However, in season 1 you could definitely feel the build up as to where the season was leading ultimately culminating in the last two episodes of the season being full on epic. Season 2 ultimately feels like it is suppose to be a bridge just to get the audience from season 1 to season 3 which is where it suffers. Once all the seasons are out and viewers can continue straight through, I think season 2 will get more shine but all of the breaks did a massive disservice for this season.
I was also floored by the fight in the atom eve OVA thingy. i saw a clip of the fight on yt and immediately watched the whole thing. I like how she is a foil to mark because her backstory is about being ostracized for her powers and them being a problem, while mark was basically raised as a superhero.
@@madtitan0825 i think she just learned to use them more effectively because in her episode, she was using her powers for the 1st time so she was creative with them but as she grew up she found simpler ways to deal with enemies remember how much collateral damage was there in her episode?
I’m okay with Mark trying live normal through the season because it shows how different he is from the other Marks we saw and why he won’t turn,also… Conquest will wake him up next season 😅
It looks like you and I realised the season existed around the same time and watched it, because no sooner did I finish it a couple of days ago and you upload this video lol Reminded me why I like this show tbh, really good season. The voice acting is phenomenal on all sides.
@@lorenzo5488Nah, the animation is generally better than season one as season one had way more janky animation than season two. Just go back and rewatch how janky episode four of the first season was and no episode in season two ever dips to that low of quality. Where season one was better was the direction as I think overall, season two isn’t nearly as well directed as season one, especially when it comes to fight scenes.
Not gonna lie I didn't even know the second half of the season came out until this video popped up on my subscription feed. I guess the lack of advertisement leading to people not watching the show is likely why it seems like there aren't t many people who watched it.
Rex went through a huge redemption arc in season 2 and it made me like rex. Also everyone including Angstrom’s actor did a stellar job with S2 Also the agent spider josh keaton cameo, I liked it
This season genuinely had me crying at multiple points throughout the season and I'm glad I waited for the entire season to come out before binge watching it, I don't think it would've had the same impact on me if I watched the first part and then waited for the second part.
Dude invincible is so good that me and my friend basically forced our friends who weren't into it to watch season 2 with us and within an episode or two they were just as into it as we were. I even got one friend to read the comics. The release schedule is undoubtedly wack but invincible is still the best American animated show currently ongoing.
speaking as someone who's read the comic (and is rereading it after finishing the season) I am so psyched for season 3 cause there's gonna be some crazy shit in it
The college part for Mark was something I couldn't get invested in mainly because why is he there? What's his major? What's his future other than a hero? These questions popped up because why is Mark trying so hard to go to college? Is it solely for amber or is he actually interested in something? So far with season 1 we saw him want to be a super hero so badly and with season 2 him controlling himself and showing people in charge that he can be trusted. So, what's up with him trying to stay in college and for what?
because we wanted to be something other than just Invincible the Viltrumite. He didn't want to be like Batman where Bruce Wayne is basically non-existent.
Their *real* reasoning for the mid-season break was to 1. Work on season 3 during the break, to get it released earlier, and 2. Apparently Amazon implemented commercials to its standard tier of Amazon Video subscriptions. Guess when that happened? Inbetween the hiatus. You can avoid the commercials, with an added fee of course. I remember when they said that they wanted the fans to “Digest what they saw in episode 4” during the break but like, dude, whats there to comprehend or digest? You painted it quite clearly.
They better not repeat the same eight episode's split in season three. Especially if they adapt the important narrative after Mark defeated Angstrom Levi.
They messed with the release schedule because they wanted to shoe-horn ads into the season. While I don't have any sources on that, I will holdfast on that stance until I die.
I always watch Cosmonaut on the TV so now I get to eat my burger and fries after it’s done but I had to comment before I put this on the TV to eat, cause I can’t eat without RU-vid, and on a Friday, you just made my day Marcus 🙏
I'm kinda worried Amazon is gonna pull the plug after season 3. If this series is going to cover everything in the comics than that's at least 8+ seasons of Animation, and if Season 3 is going to end where I think it is, it's gonna be a little bit before we get back in the action. I can see the end of Season 3 being a big dropping off point for many casual viewers as the show gets more weirder and more involved in their plots, similar to what happened to The Walking Dead (which is ironic lol)
Great video definitely gonna have to check out the rest of the season, feel like there's been wayyyyyy too much stuff to keep on and just need a break every once and a while
i was super hyped about part 2 of season 2 and i totally forgot about it until episode 7 came out and someone mentioned it. so yeah, their schedule killed ALL of the momemtum
I fully expected mark to come back to the planet terrified of the viltrumites and break up with amber because he needs to prepare the planet. But idk. Instead of prepare the planet, he strengthens it
i think i know why amazon waited 3 months to release. after logging in to watch season 2 of invincible, i only noticed 1 big difference, ADS. amazon waited to drop the rest of the season cuz they just rolled out their new advertising-free subscriptions. sneaky.
To be fair to amazon, I think they did not know it would take this long to create season 2 and were worried that waiting too long would kill the hype entirely so they hoped to give us something in the waiting period
I hate how defanged and non flawed Amber is this season, she's so fucking boring because they're so afraid of people disliking her, it really sucks. All that was needed was an in show acknowledgement of her being in the wrong for how she acted despite knowing he's invincible, maybe have her apologise, not take away her personality
The only issue I have is that its complete whiplash from how her character was in Season 1. She went from hating Mark for lying to her and not prioritizing her to now being walked all over. Idk, it would’ve worked better if in Season 1 she found out by herself but is supportive of him at first, then as Season 2 progresses we see the relationship start to falter and we see her start getting more irritable and sad. It would kind of parallel what Debbie goes through but Mark, unlike his dad, would cut the relationship off before it gets to that point.
One thing I think Invincible is doing better than any other Superhero media right now is showing consequences for actions. There's no bullet or stab wounds that get forgotten about in five minutes. If people get hurt in this show, they STAY hurt for a while. If characters get black eyes, broken arms, or lose teeth, that sticks with them for a few days or weeks. It's a refreshing take on the genre, unlike most of the other shows or movies where characters only get hurt, or stay hurt if it's an important plot point.
it didn't even feel like it was a full second season. the second half of the hiatus introduced so many new characters and arcs, that it felt a lot was left unresolved.
Honestly seeing Rex shot in the head kinda shocked me. I really thought he was dead. And a lot of people have died in the show but i just didn’t see the loud obnoxious character actually getting his brains blown out. I was like oh shit yeah this really isn’t like other animated shows. Also seeing Debbie being tortured made me feel awful.
I started watching season two when It came out and really liked it. Then I forgot the show existed and wouldn’t have watched the rest if I didn’t see your video. Don’t know why they split it, there are probably more people like me who haven’t finished the season because they just forgot about it.
This show is the definition of a scattered plot. It feels like an entire show made of filler arcs, with not enough time dedicated to actually making us interested in anything beyond the first season
Me and my brother watched this show every time an episode came out. I know all the twist and tunes because I read the comic, but my little brother was blind the whole time so it was a fun thing to bond over
I’ve been waiting to watch this video until I finished the season and I finally did nearly two weeks after the video was released lol. Basically for the exact reasons you mentioned
Agreed with literally all of your points, but AMEN to the needing new voice actors bit. I will agree I have an ear that can pick up similar voices a LOT, but damn if it isn't distracting as all hell. ESPECIALLY with Amazon's X-Ray feature pointing out just how many characters Grey Delisle or Ross Marquand are playing in one scene. Having Ross voice both Rudy and Immortal knowing they'd have this many scenes together especially has been driving me crazy.
They literally sound nothing alike though, so what’s the issue? Seriously, is everyone forgetting it’s not uncommon for voice actors to have multiple roles in the same show? Animation allows for shit like that, and as long as the voice actors are good there really isn’t an issue. And so far, none of the Invincible voice actors have been remotely bad or mediocre.
Yeah I, too, hope they make the fights incredibly tedious talk-fests where nothing happens for 3 episodes and we constantly cut to every single character's reaction to each energy blast and punch-through-a-mountain
I absolutely love this show!!! ....and even my enthusiasm was killed by that mid season break. I didn't even know when it came back until the rest of it was out. And I basically forgot what was going on.
