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I actually really enjoyed the fact that Miles was just doing random street level stuff while Peter was dealing with the black suit. He filled the role of the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.
It sounds good in concept but the problem for me was that the “friendly neighborhood” stuff just felt like they didn’t know what to do with Miles. Like the friendly neighborhood stuff should still be as compelling and interesting as Peter’s plot if they are going that route lol
I agree. Plus while we are noticing he's succumbing to the "dark side" everyone else really isn't so it's cool to see them going about their lives and slowly starting to think he's being an ass hole.
Welp, this is where the 2 main characters game starts to get really problematic. Spidermans core is essentially a 1 man vs the world against all odds. In order to develop Peters symbiot arc, he has to struggle by himself, there can't always be a Miles to save the day for him(or save him in that manner). The problem is it creates a lot of weird plot holes, like where the hell is Miles at this moment why isn't he there. I also really agree with the video, the first spiderman had this vibe, like they simply did the right thing with writing with a lot of plot twists. Here they went more with a hollywood approach of special effects/ blasts/ venom/ symbiote everywhere. 8-8.5/10 for this game is still very right, since gameplay improved.
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The complaint that Miles feels very much like middle-aged white guys trying to write a black teenager without accidentally doing anything offensive I feel is so much more potent since Across the Spider-Verse is still somewhat fresh in my memory. Miles and his family feel so effortlessly authentic and genuine in that film while this game sands down all of his edges and just kind of makes him and his world feel so bland. They keep repeating the same message about Miles needing to embrace what makes him himself, but I don’t even know what that's supposed to mean given how he doesn't really seem to have any outstanding passions or interests.
@kryptoskillet1131 I didn't say that, rather that his blandness feels like a result of white writers trying to write an Afro-Latino main character and failing to make him interesting out of fear of doing anything offensive. To make sure that doesn't happen, they keep him confined in this sanitized little box. I'm not saying that's most definitely what happened, just that that's what Miles' character in this game feels like. It's beyond his hobbies, it's that fact that there's so little friction with anything he does. Sure he's struggling with his rage against Martin Li, but that never really seeps into anything else. He doesn't get angry and blow up on his mom or his friends. He's clearly still got some unresolved issues involving the loss of his dad, but when his mom decides to enter the dating pool again he never feels threatened by that. Nor does his mom get on his ass about not finishing his essay, shirking his responsibilities to his family and his future to go and be Spider-Man. Everyone just acts far too amicably and with too much clinical logic behind their actions. Like yeah, Miles should know that his mom choosing to date again doesn't erase his dad's memory or disrespect it in any way, but when we're in a bad headspace we don't always act the way we know we should. Peter fairs better because the Symbiote is pretty much free angst, but before and after that arc it's the same issue. Everything's too sugary sweet. You don't get the sense that Peter was already battling tons of inner conflict before the Symbiote took hold and amplified it, just that it made him kind of an asshole. There's a hint of it in his inability to let go of May's memory, and perhaps fearing that he could lose Harry and MJ as well, but the game just doesn't dig deep enough into the idea to really make it anything more than a footnote.
@@kryptoskillet1131 At no point did anything Miles go through in this game have anything to do with his race? There's an entire multiple mission sidequest in this game devoted to Miles saving a museum preserving the history of black music, lol.
@@CamFromZone_1 bro spiderverse miles is genuinley so much better written then insomniac miles it isn't even close "he does music and is planning on going to college for it" ? wtf does that even mean how does that make him better then spiderverse miles
Okay but the MJ mission where Peter is being controlled by the symbiote is actually incredible for the tone. In the comics MJ is fucking traumatized by seeing Venom for the first time. They really went out of their way to make it scary by forcing you to play as MJ.
Honestly, the MJ sections and the shoe-horned in mission where you have to play as the deaf girl are just to obvious things Insomniac put in just so they can get their brownie points on social media from gaming journalists. There's no reason for them to include it and there's a whole host of other minor controversies surrounding this game that it sort of detracts from the overall experience.
The one real issue I had with the game was that Harry's growing animosity towards Peter felt so incredibly rushed that when he became Venom, it really did not feel earned at all. The game could've used another hour or two to really flesh that out.
This. To me this game is a 9.5/10 but that .5 goes to how rapidly the final act happens. Harry gets so angry with Peter and Peter goes from 0-100 after basically one and a half missions. Having a bit more time to see this unfold as well as have an explanation about Harry getting so mad, like maybe he is going through withdrawal or something Venom also only torments peter a hand full of times. In Spectacular Spider-Man venom torments him time and time again and not tripping out Spider sense made it all the more scary. In this he just pulled up and said some shit then brawled
Completely agree. Same with MJ's conflict, while it was set up in the first game it suddenly comes out of nowhere when she becomes Scream. I just wish this game had taken a little more time with the already established characters.
I'm only at 80% completion rn so I don't know if what I'm about to say gets addressed, but to me there were hints of this throughout the beginning and middle of the game that could've gone somewhere but didn't. Like when Harry and Peter are throwing the basketball or playing the carnival games, I was kinda like, what if Peter being too perfect at everything and having MJ and stuff is building resentment in Harry, and then it feels like the suit literally left him to die because Peter is better (+ the stuff with his dad). Like it's all there but especially considering Harry actively has the symbiote that early in the story a little more outward resentment would have fit well.
The MJ gameplay was actually a huge step up from the last game. Her last mission was basically resident evil esque. Still didn’t stop me from trying to speedrun it though
I just got whiplash from the MJ sections. Because there was an extent to which I was more efficiently taking down the Hunters as MJ than Miles/Peter. Like they were given me a run for money as Spider-Man, but MJ was laying utter Solid Snake/Sam Fisher waste to them
@@TheJadedJamesIt feels easier cause its on stealth,Peter and Miles can instant kill enemies on stealth,plus MJ deals with like 5 or 7 Hunters peer mission,Miles and Peter deal with way more in their missions
I found the Mary Jane bits way more tolerable this time specifically because of the taser. Being able to take down enemies instead of just sneaking around and hoping they don’t see you made all the difference to me.
Well I agree yeah it's better but it's really not play in my opinion it's a fucking mood killer. It's like oh look at this awesome battle between Venom and Spider-Man wouldn't you love to be doing that instead of playing as this fucking human who can somehow with one shot symbiotes even when Spider-Man cant?!?!?!?!? like fuck No I want to be playing as Spider-Man
SPOILERS: Honestly, you could fix the Miles/Venom problem with the final boss fight by having Miles and his supporting cast hang with Peter and his supporting cast at Coney Island. Miles and his friends could leave early cuz they're kids and their parents want them home so events can play out the exact same way, except Miles and Harry have now shared more than a few sentences together. One of my few problems with this game was how little the Spider-Men's supporting casts crossed over.
My main issue with the story isn’t that Miles doesn’t interact with Harry at all (although that is weird) but that Miles spends the whole second act of the game doing unrelated stuff while his superhero mentor is slowing going crazy barely ever interacting with Peter enough to notice what is going wrong. Miles’ whole story should have been about the fact that Peter was getting out of hand and that he was eventually going to have to step up & do something about him. The Miles vs Peter fight should have felt like something Miles’ whole story arc was leading to … but Miles real story is a boring epilogue to the Mr Negative storyline from the first game
Fun fact, they fight crime together. Their dialogue seems like a massive bromance. But it only happens if you patrol as Miles in between one specific mission. If you did those, then the end fight scene doesn’t seem too out of place.
@@shpambypamby3113that’s the wildest part lmao the story got boring, doesn’t feel like Spider-Man, doesn’t like the characters, doesn’t like the stealth, but sure, here’s an 8
@@blkstarsubbed9346He said he liked the plot, just didn’t think the characters were interesting, which I kinda agree. And he’s right that the stealth is mostly pointless, but the gameplay/presentation/action set pieces and an insane open world is enough to push it to an 8. That makes sense to me.
Loved this game but definitely agree with a lot of the complaints here. Having Kraven stalk you and randomly attack in the open world instead of having the same type of missions as the previous games with Kraven-themed goons especially would have been so much cooler. STILL GOTTA GET THAT PLATINUM THO 😤
Would've lost the feeling of making kraven being a boss fight but more of a nuisance at least for the re games having a stalker enemy works because the protagonist are generally more fragile but spidey isn't
@@VideoWatcher8888 he didn't though, you had to beat at least 3 or 4 taskmaster challenges before he would encounter you, therefore still making it a scripted event.
I think venom kinda sucked as a villain. Very one sided and no motivation besides "oohhh I hate my friend for stealing my suit but now I need him to rule the world"
@@youraveragehotdog6836 As opposed to Eddie "you stole my job, myah" Brock? Since when is job jealousy less one sided than delusionally doing what you think is right wile being under the influence of wearable alien heroin. Seriously, look at the symbiote as an allegory to drug abuse and hopefully your perspective will change with the removal of your nostalgia goggles.
I get the Miles complaint but I think where Miles is coming from with his fear of people leaving him is more of him feeling left out with people moving on with their lives. - Rio is dating again - Ganke and Hailey already good with college while he still is even yet to finish hi essay - Numerous times in the game Peter would leave him out of missions and just go either solo or with Harry Also, I think Miles’ rage towards Li started when he saw him again at Raft since the first game. There are times wherein you’d think you’ve moved on from something until the trauma kicks back in when a familiar face or memory comes back. It also aligns with him and Peter reconciling after the symbiote fight because they have been isolating themselves from the rest by succumbing to fear and doubt, which even the symbiote loves to prey on.
I was thinking the same thing. A lot of the criticisms that Cosmonaut makes, while his own and while valid, feels like they specifically missed a deeper reading as to why a character would be feeling the way that they're feeling. Miles is still a kid and his father honestly just died. He has a lot going on before even stacking on his active spider-man duties. It's not going to be easy to just kinda get over it all. I do think they could've and should've handles Miles better in the narrative but it's not bad.
Brother what are you talking about😂 1. Rio dating again certainly doesn’t make miles feel like shes leaving him. If anything, it might have sparked some animosity between them because of his respect for his father. But thats not his character. 2. Not having finished your college essay doesn’t mean you aren’t going to college dude. Theres a deadline for essay submissions. So Ganke and Hayley aren’t better or worse off than Miles here aside from not procrastinating. 3. Peter teams up with Miles literally every single chance he gets aside from one mission with Agent Venom. ONE Mission. That aside, in their personal lives, it is true that peter hasn’t been picking up Miles calls, but even then, that was for like max a day. If any of these things are enough to create this gaping insecurity in Miles’ heart, then he certainly wouldn’t be “ready” to take on the role as the one and only spiderman. Finally, Miles was not even set on killing Mr. Negative. In his mind, it was at least debatable the whole time. Plus, when he decides to save him it really took away any level of complexity that Miles character could have had because he already made the same choice earlier in the boat propeller scene. ALSO, if we’re talking about seeing familiar things and how they bring back trauma, don’t you think that seeing anything related to a dead father would make you think of the guy who killed him!? Thats not just Mr. Negative at the raft, but also his dads christmas albums and his dads clothes and his dads pictures and his dads accolades and the memorial site and all of the above.
@@alexrampersad3954 - I clearly mentioned that Rio dating again means that she’s trying to move on with her life after what happened to her husband. For Miles, while he doesn’t hate it, he does feel left out as he’s still stuck on finding Li because of what happened to his dad. It’s that feeling of being stuck in the past when you don’t want to while you see people around you trying to move on when you can’t. - Yes not finishing your college essay doesn’t mean you’re not going to college but seeing your friends already having a secured university can bring pressure for some people. Also, not everyone has loads of college options, making it a “break it or make it” scenario - Sure they team up but whenever Miles wants to talk about personal stuff, Peter would brush him off or is even too busy. He even gets a bit insecure when he finds our that Peter is doing missions with Harry, further adding to him feeling isolated while people are doing their own thing without him - Being Spider-Man has always had to do with feeling insecure and unsure of one self. It’s one of the many things that makes the character relatable. We have literally seen Peter doubt himself in his journey but that’s what makes Spidey great is that he always gets back up Also, this is still a Miles that is not that far ahead in being Spider-Man compared to Peter who has been in it for years already - Just because he decided to save people in the ferry and makes the decision to spare him during the fight, does not in any way take any complexity from him. As a matter of fact, it shows his maturity as a person and how he’s ready to receive the torch of Spidey from Peter. He literally was able to reform one of his enemies, which Peter even highlighted in the game as something he was never able to do. - Also, sure a lot of things can remind a person of their trauma, but of course Miles reacts differently to seeing his father’s killer as opposed to seeing his father’s christmas albums. Literally, the difference was already given to us in the games. He felt melancholic and nostalgic when he saw his dad’s albums as they were one of the best things about him. Meanwhile, he reacted in a different light when he saw Li because obviously it reminded him about the bad memories involving his dad and the numerous people that died in that same day.
@@Jone-c9i Everything you’ve said is only either barely referenced or inferable from the story which is why Cosmo says theres no build up for it. These things aren’t sufficient if you have to explain them so thoughtfully to even get some semblance of significance. And even then, half the things you said are irrelevant because they take place for like 2 seconds OR they just dont make sense from a writing standpoint. No matter who you are, you cant have your university locked in if all youve done is finish your college essay ahead of time. Early acceptance means you wrote your essay during a different semester entirely and Miles would not have been barred from the Opportunity AND seeing as he’s so intelligent and he’s not like poor or anything, he would have a wide variety of options. As for your other statements, he still doesn’t feel left out with the RIO situation… I promise you he doesn’t want to be present for his mom shagging some random old dude. Again, if anything it probably frustrates him out of respect for his dad. The Martin Li thing trauma we’ve been over. And you need to understand that for growth to have taken place, Miles needed to choose his anger for Li in either the propeller scene or the scene where they fight, because otherwise, nothing changes in his reasoning across the story. And that’s exactly what happened, or what didn’t happen I mean, because nothing changed. Miles was just the best at everything the whole time. His inner turmoil never manifested for the audience to understand that Miles had to triumph. Every single impactful character moment this guy Miles had was in a dream sequence. This is why there is no build up for his “fears.” Even Peter didn’t get enough build up in the black suit, but at least he got some
@@alexrampersad3954 Huh? Miles feeling left out with his mom is more of him seeing his mom move on in a sense from his father’s death because they never talked about it before and Rio only brought it up when she was dating someone already. It was new for Miles and he took it from an angle of his mom moving on while he was still stuck in the past, literally one of his arcs in the entire game. Also mentioned how seeing his friends already accepted to a university is another showing of Miles insecurity as his friends don’t have to juggle normal life and being a superhero. Literally the man is overthinking everything because of the stuff he has to deal with in this game. Inner turmoil? Miles was so close in letting people die just so he could get Li. The same way that he was so invested in catching him regardless if Peter was with him. We see this in the game and its why it was powerful to see him let things go with Li as both of them saw the anger within Peter’s psyche towards his villains.
Most of the issues I have with this game boil down to “I loved what we got, but I wanted more.” I think my biggest gripe overall is that we never got a true 2 v 1 fight where Peter and Miles teamed up to fight Venom. They really made it seem like we’d get at least one sequence where both Spider-Men would fight him, rather than two separate one on one fights.
The literal trailers showcased it... i really didnt think theyd plan things so... little. like they saw a big picture but most smaller parts of it were after thoughts they put as much effort as they could, while still being after thoughts.
Wait what?? I got the collector's edition with the statue, which clearly shows Peter and Miles double-teaming Venom. I'm at 95% completion and at the point of "You're about to enter the endgame. This is your last chance to upgrade your gear." And you're telling me this final fight won't be the double team the collector's statue promises???? That's indescribably disappointing.
"It’s pretty clear his dialogue is written by white people" Man I haven’t watched this guys videos for a long time and I honestly missed this dudes unapologetic way of talking 💀
i think the opening Sandman fight where you chase him around the city and after he's defeated, you can slowly see the environment around New York changing (like with sand being everywhere but slowly going away by the end of the game) is EXACTLY the energy the boss battles need in these games, and i am baffled that they literally did this _in the game_ but somehow Venom was confined to these closed off arenas. you put so much effort into designing this open world experience with amazing mechanics, let me play in it god dammit!
Dude, this Venom also got wings to fight against, essentially, Superior Iron Man and What if Miles Morales was worthy of Mjollnir... In the same confined arena as the Doctor Octopus fight from the previous game, seriously?
@@joelmoore6879 i enjoyed the lizard fight a lot but kept dying. Scream fight was nice but a bit too much dialogue and it made me think yeha peter is a bit selfish in his relationship
Idk i loved the stuff with Miles and Li. Especially the fact that miles, did NOT forgive him for what he did. But he was willing to move on. I think thats a pretty great scene and what we know about Li and his powers it worked really well for me considering Miles feels responsible for the death of his friend in his own game and doesnt want to lose anyone else who knows he is Spider-Man. So Li is a huge threat to him. But yeah he does feel like a backseat but i also kinda love he's more the friendly neighborhood spider and peter is the alpha giga chad ill destroy all these villains juggernaut especially when wearing the symbiote. I also disagree on the chemistry thing with MJ. And their version of Peter i think is strong because of the first game and learning about how much Peter blames himself over literally everything. Yuri should win some awards for his performance as Parker.
@@joshheralal8758 I wouldn't really say that. Just cause he isn't trying to kill him or go after him anymore doesn't mean he forgave him. He's just putting the needs of others before his own anger. Except he didn't need the suit to tell that story. It's a literal parallel to Peter in most instances when he gets the symbiote. It was nice to see that. Cause typically the we see the good guys forgive any wrongdoings and that's not super relatable. In certain moments it is. Like Peter being able to forgive Sandman in SM3 sure that one i guess makes sense, what happened WAS an accident. Li did what he did. It makes sense for this story that Miles learn to just leave it. He doesn't need that bitterness. But he won't forget, that's the man that killed his dad. It was a good play on the With great power comes great responsibility line.
@@joshheralal8758no he didn’t. Miles will never forgive Li for killing his father. But actively hating him for it is devastating Miles’ personal life, as his obsession with Li was taking priority over everything else. So, he lets go of that anger, and offers to help Martin be better, regardless of how Miles feels about the man as a person.
Honestly, I don’t think miles was out for revenge at all. He stated he only wanted to get Li behind bars because he was afraid of losing anyone else. Li took his Dad away and he was scared that something like that would happen with Rio and Ganke. He’s deathly afraid of letting anyone down because he’s scared that if he does he will be completely alone. Also, I disagree with what you said about his inner fears not being represented in his day to day. One of his first conversations with Ganke in this game has Miles scared wondering if he pissed Ganke off. This fear even extends to Peter in the next conversation, asking if he made Peter angry as well. He clearly is afraid of failure/being alone and that’s shown at every turn.
Honestly it’s an insecurity I have and noticed in miles. He’s got a bright future but he’s stressing himself out thinking he’s disappointing people. I like that in the end he is confident in taking care of the city whilst Peter gets some time off. Though I do have my own issue with it as well. The ending was probably overlooked in this regard but while it’s good Peter gets time to relax and do something outside of Spider-Man work. I think miles is not given that same opportunity in this scene, because he also needs to work on his personal life too. It would’ve been better if they said “let’s take over each other’s schedule when they need breaks, then the city is kept safe whilst both can do their own thing’s temporarily” that way they can keep things balanced
@@internetguy7319 thats more on the identity crisis. miles in this game has got a handle on his skills but is putting pressure on himself more than he really deserves. he doesnt realise in this game that hes more than capable of being spiderman, even peter admits that miles wont need him anymore. but hes insecure and it doesnt help that his biggest trauma is no longer in prison, which is where he almost takes extreme measures to ensure he keeps everyone safe from harm.
I mean he was going to let Li drown in the boat rather than save him. Mind you, he was still strapped so all Miles had to do was take him out and he would still be restrained.
One of my biggest takeaways from this game is that I’d love for them to do a prequel. Playing as young Peter was actually a lot of fun for me and a short Miles game length story of young Peter fighting all his villains for the first time with a extremely limited kit would be awesome especially after now knowing that nearly every sinister 6 member is dead now.
Hell yeah, I'd be all for that. It can an anthology kind of thing, it can be open world but each chapter is him fighting various villains for the first time.
@samwisefieri6696 Anthology idea is good, I'd have it be like that, Kingpin as the overarching villain, and an epilogue mission that leads into the PS4 Spider-Man game
I think my biggest fear with the possibility of a new game is that Miles would be the lead instead of Peter. Insomniac said they want Miles to be the main spider moving forward. The problem is that almost every villain and conflict up to this point is tied to Peter and that is a lot of what makes the fights compelling. Doc Ock and Green Goblin are being set up as the main villains of the next game but it's gonna feel awkward with Miles instead of Pete fighting them. It's going to be strange for Miles to insert himself into the Carnage and Wraith story that he had no connection to at all. It even feels a bit odd that Miles is the one with the Mysterio quest when Peter and Beck presumably have history and Peter is seen actively rooting for villains to be reformed like Sandman and Tombstone.
Miles in general feels like is taking away from the franchise instead of adding. He should be in his own game fighting his own villains, not being included in stuff that he has no connection to Why is he the one helping Black Cat? Why is he the one fighting Venom in the last fight? Why is he the one fighting Mysterio? Why should he fight future villains like Goblin, Otto, and Carnage that have clearly not been set up for him? It’s just weird
@@Johnnysmithy24 Exactly. I really liked his solo game. I thought it was good and had a lot of personality. It showed he had experience, but not at doing things on his own. This game feels like a step back from that.
I think that the next game might be a lose lose if Otto and goblin are the main protagonists either have miles fight them which would feel wrong cause he’s not Peter or have Peter come back as Spider-Man which would make the ending of this game feel less important
@@thiccgoblin3662 I think it makes sense to bring back peter as the ending is less Peter is retiring and more taking time off to get his life back in order. That said it would be really disappointing if he is only back to do those specific boss fights and that's it.
@@orpheusthepoet3149Honestly it’s a weird choice to make Miles the main Spider-Man before the trilogy concludes given he has no connections to the villains in the third game. I wouldn’t have minded if maybe MJ ends up pregnant in the third game and Peter retires to be a dad while Miles takes up the mantle of Spider-Man. In the second game it just feels weird. Hell it felt weird fighting Venom as Miles in the final boss fight given that he barely interacted with Harry beforehand.
I think what makes the high tech gadgets more tolerable in this game, is that he's been spider-man for 10 years at this point so it makes more sense at least to me, whereas in the MCU he's still in high school. But I agree for the most part that it goes overboard with all the drones and anti-grav tech and every character, even the high schoolers, being super scientists that can just cobble together a machine to solve whatever issue the story needs them to. Every character that goes to Miles' school is basically Donatello at this point. The Disney channel type dialogue that every character is written with, also doesn't help.
I don't think it has anything to do with his age. I'm pretty sure what makes the gadgets work is that Peter makes them instead of getting them from Tony. They feel earned instead of given
@@ShadesTheManit also kind of makes Peter feel dumb as hell because if he's able to create THIS high tech shit, how is he out of job? How is he struggling financially? I think having Spiderman with these high tech gadgets in general is just lame, it completely removes the spider out of his name
@@bezglavigekoofficial7649yea because a 15 year old making high tensile and durable silk fluid that can hold tons of weight made by in a photo lab is just down to earth and whatnot
@@Step43099 it is certainly a LOT MORE grounded and believable than a 20 yr old building plasma lasers which can take down enemies the size of a Kaiju while still being unemployed, stop acting so clueless as if Spiderman having gadgets such as web shooters is even REMOTELY comparable to having drones which shoot lasers, anti gravitational orbs and other bullshit while still struggling financially. That just makes me believe that Peter is a fucking moron
@@bezglavigekoofficial7649bro completely missed the point lol. He can’t hold a job because it gets in the way of him being spiderman it’s an issue of time not an issue of skill set
I think the reason why miles has nothing to do is because that’s the point Peter doesn’t call miles and even mj had to call miles to tell him that Peter might need back up during the lizard house mission, miles even says “you don’t answer my calls anymore” so he’s being left out
The problem is that there's no focus on Miles feeling inadequate for being left out. If anything that would have been a good opportunity to tie his story in with Peter's, but there's never a point where Miles is introspective and questions his role as Spider-Man now that Peter doesn't have time for him.
@@SuperSteph5 Sure, but Miles in this game constantly emphasizes how new york is still a "two-man job" and is still asking for Peter's help with big villains (the game literally starts with this) It's just a missed opportunity that his story is focused so much on his insecurities and yet never once does he seem bothered that Peter's essentially replaced him with Harry before he gets the symbiote.
That's not a reason why, that's an internal justification for it happening. But nobody made them write it like that to begin with. They could've written it to... y'know, include both main characters in the main story.
Small detail that I personally love: the photo mode is excellent! Most people will never touch it but I spent hours getting the perfect photo during certain set pieces and weather conditions since weather change isn’t in the game yet
I think it would’ve been really cool if the only MJ mission in the game was the one where the black suit took over Peter. That really would’ve put it into perspective how fucked up Peter had gotten with the symbiote, since it puts you in the perspective of his loved ones. Also, not gonna lie, I kinda love the DJ mission at Coney Island.
I think my biggest letdown was how easily Vulture, Electro, and Shocker were gotten rid of. After Scorpion's death, I thought we'd have missions where we have to help rescue villains from Kraven's Hunters, like what they did with Tombstone but more of it and with the villains fighting alongside you. And it really makes little sense that Kraven could kill the others so easily. Electro shoots bolts of electricity and could be an Avenger-level threat, Vulture flies, and Shocker shoots shockwaves that pulverize walls. Kraven's gimmick is that he's a highly skilled hunter, and other Spider-Man works have shown that won't always cut it when dealing with people with super powers. But I am liking what they're teasing for the next game. I think we're going to see both Green Goblin and Doc Ock in it, and I hope they make Norman still sympathetic. I honestly feel sorry for the guy; he's not evil like other versions of himself. He's a man who's watching the people he loves dies, and he can't seem to do anything to stop it. I can definitely see a quiet moment after a fight where Peter reveals its him under the mask, and reminds Norman he knows what he's going through, and revenge won't save Harry.
Given how incompetent Shocker usually is presented in video games, him getting killed by Kraven makes sense. Though the fact that his incompetent shenanigans are forever removed from future installments is sad
It did feel like the game really amped up Kraven, like he was the main villain for a while, so I get it, but having him just kill a lot of Peter's biggest rogues was a bit much imo, plus we lose those guys for the next game.
@@jasonjones3328Fr, this man gotta be on super soldier serum or smth cause Shocker? Vulture? Scorpion? AND ALMOST BEING ABLE TO KILL VENOM?! Yeah nah, he's gotta be on gear or smth💀
@@carlosjavier771When you infiltrate the hunter hideout towards the beginning of the game you can hear a conversation between the goons and they talk about Kraven using methods that go against conventional modern medicine for his strength. The fact that he was strong enough to grab peters punch and stab him with enough strength to break the knife in him and toss him like a rag doll made it clear to me that he’s enhancing himself to superhuman levels.
@@carlosjavier771 I do find it weird that he was completely immune to scorpion's serum. Vulture I can kind of get cause he was an old bastard, and shocker is a little incompetent
Saying Peter flies in this game is like saying Batman flies in Arkham Knight, he's literally gliding on wind, something he's always been able to do with the web wings
Skill Up’s review had me worried that sliding would supplant swinging, but it does not. Without a wind tunnel or height you can only get so far with it. You still have to swing
One of my complaints about the game are the podcasts. JJJ isn't as explosive or funny as he was in the previous games and only just really reports the news as it is (though his rescue scene and a few episodes are the exception to this). But the Danikast is just awful. She's constantly worried about Spider-Man's new black suit for no real reason and, when shit hits the fan, she's obnoxiously trying to be a voice of hope. It's some of the most eye-rolling, cringe-inducing dialogue in the game. There really is no reason for her podcast to be playing either since Miles really only started listening to it since he didn't appreciate listening to JJJ like Peter does. Like imagine when the aforementioned shit goes down all podcasts just stop and we get nothing but police radio chatter and emergency broadcasts playing since that would be what the Spider-Men are likely to be listening to in that situation. Would have really set the tone of those scenes and how dire things really are.
Honestly my main complaint with them is more to do with the fact you can't replay them, so I'd listen for a few seconds then get wrapped up in a crime and they'd be awkwardly shut off. You could listen to them again in the previous games so it's a strange omission. Neither of them are as memorable as before but they had a few standout moments I thought
The Danikast was for sure the worst thing they added into the game. Why do we have to hear what just happened from a girl with barely to no affiliation with Spider-Man
Lmao i completely agree about the Danikast. Every time one of her bits come on it’s like “hey I’m a nice caring person doing nice caring person things, aren’t I so likable?” and it just makes my eyes roll. It’s not really a big deal to me but yeah there was definitely some certified eye roll moments from her segments. But insomniac thinks that people as a whole are like best friends towards each other so it fits with their view I guess lol.
What makes it an 8 from the 9 that Spider-Man 1 was that the first game felt more personal. With how Miles left a lot to be desired in terms of writing, there's also the hurdle of how fewer time there is for the characters to properly interact with eachother compared to 1. It feels like a good story that was cut down by a needed 7 hours with the entire thing going at a break neck pace. The first game had plenty of moments where Pete talked with MJ and Otto without any of the spiderman stuff being the focus, instead it was them and their lives and issues. What sticks out to me is the first time we meet Norman at Ottos lab, Norman and Otto clearly have a history and you can sense that Otto doesn't like Norman being there, and Pete helps him perk up and they get back to work. I felt like those kind of scenes were missing. It made the first game feel a bit more grounded while the second is more akin to big Spider-man set piece.
I really wish they hadn’t rushed through all the black suit stuff, it seems like he got the suit and lost it again within a few hours. Really wanted more scenes of Peter being a jerk and building up to him going full Symbiote. It felt like he almost turned on a dime and was suddenly super angry within the course of 2 missions. Venom was really rushed as well. Could’ve used another 2 or 3 hours with him as the main villain.
7 of the fucking missions are there JUST to introduce activities. They fucked themselves by making the game less about Peter and more about miles, and even then, Miles’s story feels hollow. His story is like TLOU2 story but instead of killing people with guns it’s with hospital bills, and the 180 against revenge is just as sudden
@@Chadius_Thundercock I don’t agree with your opinion but I see where you’re coming from, However by the end of the day in my time I mostly enjoy the game about 85% of the time and I’m satisfied.
It didn’t feel too rushed for me but then again I’m not as passionate about the symbiote stuff as other people are. I love it, but I still felt like they went deep with it even if they played it a bit safe and rushed a few bits here and there
I loved the symbiote suit and its powers, peter being a jerk to everyone especially to crime alerts are funny as hell, but it feels like it overstayed its welcome
I think my biggest gripe with the characters is that they tell you they have conflict but never actually show it. During the Mj/Scream fight Peter is all like “I took you for granted and I ignored your feelings”. Never once was that made clear they were having that issue until that moment.
When peter had the black suit he constantly hung up on her and treated her like shit so I feel like he was referring to that and the stuff that was brought up earlier like her book not doing well in the beginning of the game and MJ's growing self doubt about if anything is worth struggling for anymore
Dont think I agree with this. Legit right before the Scream boss fight MJ called about getting the article and was clearly upset and Peter kind of just brushes it off confused. He also clearly fucked around with the Black suit and then theres the whole thing with Peter and May's house. I definitely understand complaints about the characters but this isnt one of them lol
One thing I really appreciate the game does is call them both Spider Man. Way too many people want to try to dismiss Miles as something or someone else. But this game makes it clear they’re both Spider Man and I love that.
They both are Spider-Man, I just would prefer if Miles got a nickname. Since Miles came second he should have a nickname. Everyone knows either way that Miles is still Spider-Man. It's just that you know why they don't give him one...
cause he isn't one always has to preface spiderman with Miles Morales to let people know who it is, it NEVER works otherwise even spidey 2099 is usually just 2099 cause its easier but he exists in his own era so its fine, MILES HAS NOTHING cause even ULTIMATE is taken by ULTIMATE PETER PARKER, they wasted this character idea
@@marcusclark1339I looked at your other comments and you're just complaining about "wokism" so you are like pretty much just mad Miles Morales is black lol, gtfo
@@dopdrop8998 Maybe when he's in his own universe. But when there's two Spider-Men one should have a nickname. It feels off two have both call each other Spider-Man. Or have everyone refer to both as just Spider-Man Obviously I'm talking about when they wear the mask. And it should be Miles because he came second. That's all i'm saying. But like I said, we all know why Miles can't have a proper nickname
i rly don’t know why insomniac is so hesitant to just give peter web based abilities. In Shattered dimensions peter had a heavy attack where he ripped rubble from the ground and started swinging it at people. that literally could have been an ability he had in this game, and would make me go “holy shit this dude is strong”
Tinfoil hat over here but i honestly think sony studio tampering might have something to do with this. They want their brand to be in tune within itself and games and movies are the most profitable and the mcu spider man has cemented himself as very techy so id bet that they were specifically told to make this spider man techy as well to be on brand with the movies. So that might be the reason they leaned away from web based abilities.
@@sebastianzuzi311 I think it's more likely the primary reason was that he was Otto's prodigy, under those circumstances it makes sense he has gadgets and the arms (although I ain't buying the anti-grav stuff lol)
@@TigBlack7 He had an actual anti-gravity gadget in the first game so I don't see how this one which appears to be way scaled back and less overpowered is an issue personally
In my opinion I think the symbiote powers were done amazingly, they really make you feel so much stronger and much more brutal, its just like how peter would feel once he got it. The symbiote in video games should always make you feel crazy as much as peter feels in my opinion, instead of Spider-Man But The Comic Tells You He Hits Harder. I wasnt as much as a fan of the spider legs, one because they legit never showed up in the story at all when at some points it would have been really useful to use them and because theyre a little too high tech for me as well. The gadget complaint is something I definitely get but Peter literally had an anti gravity matrix in the first game. He was most definitely still super high tech there too and a lot of the game centered around those gadgets which I know for sure some people didnt like. I think they did well balancing gadgets / abilities but they should have had more gadgets than you can swap the wheel with similar to your abilities.
I really do think that most of the problems with this games story would’ve been solved with a much longer runtime, more Venom segments and time to build up characters and relationships. The lack of postgame content is also mad disappointing especially with no NG+, still a great game tho.
Definitely needs some DLC imo. I dunno if we're gonna get a midquel game between two and three this time either since the B-team that did Miles Morales is working on Wolverine rn
@@HellfireComms if we were to get dlc i think they could the story 10 times better if they just added some more content into it. changed up the boss battles to let you swing around more and be more dynamic it would be 10/10
i see so many comments avoiding my biggest problem and thats definitely postgame content and overall main story length. i feel like some of the other missions like the flames were polished enough to be main story missions but switched over to side stories for the sake of postgame content
I just don't like how they did venom, he went from a complicated anti hero that can even sometimes see eye to eye with spiderman to just any other villain
I feel like this game was a bit too focused on making a large scale epic experience, and it definitely did that well, but the first game, say it with me now, “made you feel like Spider-Man” the story was tighter because it’s beats flowed more naturally like Peter and mj’s relationship, and Peter gradually realising what was going on in the story. This one felt like it had more going on that it didn’t know how to string it all together as well
I agree, it definitely didn’t fail at the bigger story and did manage to string stuff together pretty well, but just not as good as the first game could be because of the slightly smaller scale.
I think if the main story was longer just a bit, it’ll made final fight more impact and emotional, but overall despite its flaw this is a really good spider-man story.
@@Dachin55555Yeah bro when Peter said i love you to Harry after everything he did is just masterpiece storytelling i don’t cry in most media but man I was tearing up during that moment
I mean that kinda is Spider-Man, it’s not always about saving the world it’s about the small things like writing a personal essay, it’s relatable. And the reason why it’s grate to have the boss fights in a small arena is because of the emotional context behind the arenas, like the school where harry and pete met or the building they wanted to build together
You don't get to use that excuse when the game already established Peter as borderline Iron Man in terms of engineering capabilties, that grounded tone is completely lost
@@bezglavigekoofficial7649 suspension of disbelief, super hero’s aren’t real it’s all about the little things that keep them grounded, the emotional centre of the character’s, like watching uncle Ben die or aunt May, even though he’s a superhero he still loses people like the rest of us that’s why we like the characters because most of us can relate to losing your job, helping a friend or writing a college essay
I absolutely agree with you. I understand why he has issues with how the boss fights were presented but the narrative reasons and emotions behind the boss locations mattered more to me than anything else. I liked how they were presented overall especially with what it meant to Peter and Harry.
100% agree on the two main characters playing too similarly. It's especially weird when one of the main things for Miles in the Spiderverse movies is carving out his own identity as a Spider Man, and in this game he might as well be a palette swap with slightly different super moves. Edit: Guys. Slight variations of hit person really hard, hit every single person in a 10 feet radius, and lift everybody up super moves aren't enough to differentiate them. A different ultimate move and niche camouflage ain't enough either.
I never really thought about it when playing through the game myself, and I still think the way they did it was serviceable, but honestly yeah if they did more to differentiate between the spider men it'd make the gameplay a bit more interesting. It felt like they wanted a good blend of the gadgets being useful and powerful in the first game, and the venom powers of Miles Morales. If they designated each of those roles to Miles and Peter it could have better serviced their characters
I agree with some points in your critique. It was disappointing that some gadgets didn't return, like the impact webs, which I loved from the first game. While the game does make you feel like a superpowered beast, I personally prefer a more grounded approach for Spider-Man like you do. However, it's hard to complain when the game executes it so well; that's more of a personal preference nitpick. The story wasn't as impactful as the first game, but I still find it an incredible feat to compete with and at times even surpass their own predecessor. It's truly impressive how they managed to achieve this. Regarding the MJ sequences, I don't mind them. They're an improvement over the first game, and when you're playing as her, it's mostly fine. The only part where I disagree is with the boss fights. I believe most of the first game's fights were set in arenas with different gimmicks, except for the Electro x Vulture boss fight. Edit: I know the impact webs are still in the game. For my personal enjoyment I just preferred it when it was it's own separate gadget, not to say that I completely dislike this change. Y'all are acting like I don't get certain things lmao
I haven’t played it yet, but wouldn’t more gadgets make for a less grounded version (which I also prefer). When I saw how the gadget wheel is reduced I thought that was a good thing?
@@samichoudry6861 I totally get your point. More gadgets might indeed make the gameplay feel less grounded for some people, and it's a matter of personal preference. While the reduced gadget wheel can contribute to a more focused and grounded experience, some players who enjoyed the variety of gadgets from the first game may miss that aspect. Ultimately, it depends on how one values the balance between gadget variety and maintaining a more down-to-earth feel in the game. I think the way that they integrated these gadgets in this one is pretty darn great, but a potential issue for some people is that Peter and Miles can feel rather similar in terms of gameplay sometimes. In the first game, the gadgets encouraged a more distinctive "Spider-Man way" of playing. While I personally don't mind the changes too much and believe you can still have a great Spider-Man experience with the new approach, it can be a bit disorienting for fans seeking a truly authentic experience. The shift in how Peter feels in the game may make it less distinct and grounded for those who prefer the classic Spider-Man style of gameplay. I think this game is awesome! There's definitely some game improvement and only just that. The reason I don't say completely an overall improvement in absolute is because I recognize that for hardcore Spider-Man fans, it might be a bit disappointing due to the changes and some other instances.
Honestly I feel like they reason we have less gadgets is because how in the older games you would basically beat enemies way too quickly and the bosses too
My greatest nitpick like you said was how the in game mechanics affect the overall story. It contradicts itself in moments like when they say Peter is known to hold back, yet he bounces common thugs off the pavement
Totally agree with you on the Peter/Miles abilities. They made them too uniform and thus lost the uniqueness that I felt playing with Miles in his game compared to Spiderman 1. What they should have done is to give us an option to turn Red Peter into Symbiote Peter in real time (Like Web of Shadows). When he's in Symbiote mode, the would have the 4 powers and abilities. Gadgets are locked out of this mode. When he's in normal Spider Man mode, he would not have access to those powers at all. But in contrast, he gets all selection of his gadgets. This probably would have been a better implementation. But I can really see them do this in the 3rd game. Considering how cannon and story wise. Peter now posses the symbiote concurrently with his normal powers.
My one critique of the take of Peter needing to be low-tech is that he is 25 years old in this game. He is a genius scientist. By this point, he should be extremely high-tech in this universe. Now, an Arkham Origins-style game for Peter in this universe would be insane and I would eat that crap up. Could even make it DLC. Just a thought
I just think it's extremely lame and not interesting at all. Why is he named Spider-Man then? If he has lasers and electricity which are borderline Iron Man level, why is his name Spider-Man? Plus none of those newer gadgets are FUN and it makes Peter blend with all the various other supergeniuses in Marvel. That's one of the reasons I prefer DC, every major character is extremely defined, like Superman is the strongest, wants to help everyone, Wonder Woman is this most combat experienced goddess warrior who wants peace, Batman is the smartest man who wants to stop crime, Flash is the fastest, an beam of optimism, Green Lantern can do anything his imagination desires etc. In Marvel, once you stray away from these core concepts, characters like Iron Man, Ant Man, Reed Richards, Spider-Man, Banner etc. all kind of blend as yet another science super genius
Am I the only one who enjoyed the MJ sequences? She doesn’t have that helpless civilian vibe like she did in the first game, and I like that she’s able to hold her own especially in the games final sequence
Yeah I mean the missions also show just how terrifying it is to be a normal person during the game. She's terrified of symbiote pete and her boss fight is against the brute variant of the symbiotes. Some people say Black Cat should've been playable instead ( she is hotter) , but she's also super capable and could probably last a few minutes against Venom unlike MJ who would go down instantly.
Happy for you guys that could suspend your belief for that, but her taking out dozens of hunters and symbioses and a brute symbiote with a stun gun was just too much for me lol. Plus I think the missions just don’t need to exist at all, I think everyone would agree they’d rather play as one of the two Spidermen (or you’re lying to yourself).
As someone who is an avid enjoyer of stealth games, these sequences could not end soon enough. It’s ironic, the whole message of Peters arc in this game is to focus on a few things and be really good at them instead of trying to do everything and sucking. Yet, they shoehorn in MJ stealth sections when that is almost certainly NOT what anyone was looking forward to when they buy a Spider-Man game.
@@stuffylamb3420 if the argument is that “it’s not realistic”, so is doing a “safe” perch takedown during the Spider-Man stealth missions with no other enemies noticing; no one gets put on alert unless they discover a body. The issue isn’t about whether or not it’s realistic, y’all will just look for whatever reason you can find to hate on MJ in this game because it’s just the thing to do.
Idk, it felt great being that powerful with the venom powers. On the hardest difficulty shit could get annoying quick with the green and purple symbiotes and shit. I wanted to use miles till Peter eventually got antivenom cuz he felt so much weaker after the suit came off.
Web Grabber into any super is your best friend, especially with Miles' teleport super, and it even works on bosses but the web grabber isn't as useful because the boss is gonna try to be in your face anyway, but it did help with the Venom fight because I didn't wanna get free hits in from the siren.
To add on the Peter gameplay thing, it would have been a more significant moment qhen he got the symbiote if before that all he got were gadgets, since the jump in gameplay would feel so much more satisfying and make us feel like Peter did when he gets the symbiote where it's more convenient and powerful.
It also doesn't help that every single skill Miles/Peter have are basically the same thing in a diffrent skin and animation. Lift people up, punch people up, crowd attack a lot of people, and of course, launch yourself into an enemy and potentially hit others throughout. What Marcus said about them differentiating Peter and Miles is definitely true imo. Miles should be getting the crazy all out Dragon Ball attacks, whilst Peter should feel like an agile crowd controller that never stops with the webs. Playing Spider-Man remastered/ps4, I never stopped feeling like Peter. You'd always be trying to knock thugs to web them down or on walls. It felt like a constant struggling battle of trying not to get overwhelmed and all you had at your disposal was Peter's sheer agility. Dodging left to right and using enemies as controllable jumping points and I'm really not seeing anyone doing that in this game.
@@boldone66they felt very different to me I found miles to be way better fit taking out enemies Peter took alot of skill since you can’t just bomb the area with electricity
1st half: I thought I was going to be disappointed with the game 2nd half: Absolutely exceeded my pre release expectations That last 60% of the game post symbiote was an absolute ride.
I definitely agree with what you said about Miles' role in this game. He feels extremely disconnected from the main story for the first half of the game and a majority of his missions for that portion of the game are basically filler as they either serve as the start of his side quest storylines or as the start of some of the open world activities. It sucks too because that time in the game would've been better spent by helping develop his relationships with the main cast, especial Harry as that could've easily bonded over the death's of their parents and how they have to live up to their parent's memory (which we kind of get but not really). It's honestly funny that he feels so disconnected from the main story because when you break everything in this game down, he's probably the MVP in terms of his contributions to the heroes winning.
Miles being this disconnected from the main story is just embarrassing writing to me because of the inevitable Peter vs Miles boss fight. The main story is about Miles’ superhero mentor slowing turning evil … but Miles is just off doing unrelated stuff on pursuing a grudge with a villain from the last game. The whole story should have felt like it was building up to Miles vs Peter … but the fight just … happens
Miles is a literal plot device in this game. Peter cant function on his own despite being Spider-Man for nearly a decade and needs Miles to constantly hold his hand. When Peter was fighting Sandman it was Miles that doing the most damage, when Black Cat was being chased by the Hunter it was Miles and not Peter that went to help her despite Miles having NO CONNECTION to Black Cat whatsoever. Miles literally had to save Peter TWICE from himself. One from the Symbiote and the other wirh Mr Negative. This goes against all Spider-Man media wheee Peter through his OWN WILLPOWER overcomes the Symbiote influences. Peter was so nerfed in this game he even says "Why would this city need me when it has you [Miles]". Miles is too perfect it makes him a boring plot device.
@@RonaldLiland you know it's gonna be the exact same thing in the next game because miles is the new awesome black spiderman and they can't make him look bad for his young fanbase
One of my biggest issues with the game was how lame Peter’s suit options were. 13 of them were from movies like, do we really need every single movie suit? I honestly felt insulted when I got the Black and Gold Suit when reaching max level.
Saving the NWH Black and Gold Suit for max level was such a fucking joke lmao. I like a good chunk of the movie suits and it's nice to see the TASM2 suit here, but I do also agree that especially with the MCU suits it's just too much. I also feel like there isn't as much variety with Peter's suits, come to think of it. Dude has only one Spider-Verse suit and it's not even Peter B. Like I'm not asking for every movie suit, but if you're gonna include *3 Spider-Verse suits* for Miles, at least balance that out for Peter a bit
It’s lame a lot of his suits are from movies but on the other hand you have to remember that Insomniac got literal death threats when they didn’t include the movie suits initially in the last game. That’s just how the cookie crumbles man
The shit options were so disgraceful. They bragged about how many suits they had all for most of them outside the movie ones to be trash. Legitimately triggered about that but no one talks about it in the interview. Some of the suits in the game are so badly designed it’s not even funny
@@matthewprue1010I mean a few movie suits are cool like I always want the Raimi suit and the ASM 2 suit but most of the MCU suits are dogshit and I would prefer so many comic suits to be included over them
That electro and vulture boss fight where you have to swing around while dodging and web striking was awesome. I like the more parry focused fights in this game, but we need a combo of both for it to be perfect. I think the Miles stuff was up and down. I really like the character but I think he needed a higher stakes story but I think the friendly neighborhood stuff was important to have for me personally. None of my complaints complicated my time with the game at all though and it’s perfect for me.
I usually think you have pretty solid takes but I think you missed the mark on the story a little bit specifically the miles stuff. Him immediately feeling overcome with grief and a need for vengeance after coming facing to face with Li makes total sense to me. I think it’s a pretty realistic interpretation of processing trauma. He may not mention it in his game because he doesn’t believe the day will ever come where he’ll have to face him. That doesn’t imply that he’s just over it he’s just keeping it bottled up because he’s dealing with other issues at the moment.
The story is mid man. The more you think about how much better it could have been with the same characters just written differently and have Eddie Brock as venom, the more you realise it’s mid as fuck. Not bad but not good. Im still confused why Kraven is in the story he just seems like filler up until Venom.
I remember having an emotional response in the first game when Peter was forced to fight his mentor Doc Oct. In this one, I had it for Howard the pigeon man 😭
I actually enjoyed the Miles disconnect to a certain degree. Yes, I wish he was a little more fleshed out, but Peter/Venom is such a raw and emotional battle between the two of them that I don't think Miles needed to be very much involved in. And I'm ok with that because Miles is obviously going to be taking over the driver seat from here on out, and I feel like time was more well spent with the OG. I'm looking forward to what they're going to do with Miles in the future
Peter’s Storyline: All of my enemies are being murdered by a super hunter, my best friend is dying from a disease, I’ve become a destructive asshole and now my best friend has become my worst enemy. Life is suffering and I feel miserable Miles Storyline: Essay and Museum
I don't think Insomnica realised how difficult it is to balance two characters and give them both enough to do. Miles could be removed from the game and honestly very little would change which is not something you should ever be able to say about a main character.
@@ApocalypticRenegade That's probably because Miles is an almost entirely irrelevant and unnecessary character in general, especially when he's being paired up with a still-alive Peter who's in his prime as Spider-Man
I will say i'm not a big fan of Miles because i'm not a fan of the comicbook tendency to have multiple of the same hero which I think is just creatively bad. If you are going to put Miles in the story though I just don't get why they make him feel so irrelevant? Legit half way through all the black suit stuff I almost forgot Miles was there until I had to change to him for a mission@@ethanquayle9519
I think you’re spot on for most of everything. I think Miles’s obsession for revenge on Li stems from the fact that he hasn’t seen Li since his father passed and that’s ultimately the first villain that he fails to keep behind bars. His fear of Li doing something evil with his powers again made him feel like his family was unsafe again
As a super casual fan of Spiderman, I think it was a bad decision to sideline Miles so much. He's still pretty new to the mainstream (I think?), so a lot of his story is totally new to me. But the game focuses a lot more on Peter and if you've seen any Spiderman content ever, you know almost exactly how the black suit and Venom storyline will go. Having Miles be a bigger part of that could've spiced things up more.
Miles basically has zero impact of the Black Suit arc despite the fact it’s his superhero mentor slowly growing crazy and evil, how Miles dealt with that should have been his whole story, but he’s just doing other stuff
Miles basically has zero impact of the Black Suit arc despite the fact it’s his superhero mentor slowly growing crazy and evil, how Miles dealt with that should have been his whole story, but he’s just doing other stuff until the endgame. But then the final boss fight is Miles vs Venom even though those characters barely interact
Sideline miles,😂this game actually sidelined peter, because of that game rushed it's story ,miles has no purpose in this game,since he is his so called "own " character,with his own game, If it were to me , i would have completely removed, boring miles stuff to focus on main part of games that is peter and Harry, Even kraven is nerfed
I’m such a fanboy for this game and the universe insomniac created. The art, character design, world building and story are just perfect in my opinion. I think they really made the perfect Spider-Man experience.
I cannot agree more but I really do not like how they kinda nerfed Peter in the story with him easily getting stabbed by Kraven and straight up killed while elevating Miles a bit just felt like in terms of story Peter was just getting dunked on constantly while Miles only slightly get dunked on. I hope for the third game they don't do this again or give more of the focus on Peter since Doc Ock and Green Goblin are going to be in the next game or just give Pete and Miles equal spotlights and don't nerf either one of them in the story ESPECIALLY Peter as since it's hinted for the 3rd game to be the final one Peter should really be the main spider-man as I got a feeling that hes gonna die
@@tarn2992to be fair Spider-Man was caught off guard by kraven cuz he thought it was just another goon he defiantly would have put up a good fight if he wasn’t. Plus Spider-Man holds back a lot and kraven admits that multiple times when they fight and that’s also when symbiote spider man was tweaking out screaming and shit so he’s probably even stronger. But yeah he was kinda getting his ass slapped the whole game while miles wasn’t really.
@@tarn2992 I have my minor gripes too but all of it just washes away when I consider what Spider-Man games used to be. I’m just happy to see how well this game is doing, because we will definitely be getting more triple A superhero stuff. It’s like what Arkham did for Batman
@@tarn2992 If you think Peter was nerfed you should read and watch more Spiderman stuff. It's called tension, for stories to work you must try and make the audience believe the hero is in real danger. Peter constantly gets dunked on when it makes no sense for him to throughout all Spiderman media. It happens to superman in literally almost very single story he has. The only people who care about shit like that is kids and the powerscalers who jerk off to death battle stats. If it works for the story I dont really care all that much.
The whole spider-legs backpack thing has become pretty iconic to the point I almost want a more permanent, but SEPARATE character to just be THAT Spider-man. The obvious answer is to have Superior Spidey just become a fixture, maybe through time or multiverse shenanigans. But I also liked the idea from the mid '10s cartoon that had Amadeus Cho just be "Iron Spider" on Peter's Spider-Team. Doesn't have to be him SPECIFICALLY. Might actually be kinda cool to give it to Anna Maria Marconi.
Superior was a fixture for a little bit, using a clone body, but then -- I KID YOU NOT -- he made a deal with Mephisto and is now plain ol' Ock again, with no memory of anything after his initial time as Superior, and apparently no one's told him that he was an actual hero.
Funnily enough the Iron Spider-suit that it looks to essentially be a clone of anyway was used the most initially by the clones of the accidentally slain MPV after the debacle of the first _Civil War_ where Tony Stark made the suit for Peter but he barely ever used it before switching sides. It would honestly make more sense to give to someone who *doesn't* actually have Spider powers and just let them be the Steel (DC) version of Spider-Man where outside of the suit they're just a regular person more or less who is otherwise really good at engineering or something. So that could work as long as they avoid the same mistake they made with Ironheart and don't make the third, "replacement" character super obnoxious like they have more or less thankfully avoided with Miles even at his worst.
@davidbjacobs3598 I almost want some kind of backstory retcon bullshit where Mephisto started out as your average run of the mill "Spirit of Law" entity, just there to enforce contracts and agreements. But after a bad run in with the Totem of Spiders who kept screwing him over, he THEN becomes the King of Hell and gains his weird vendetta for Spider People.
It is super weird that Miles is so poorly incorporated in the main storyline because his relationship with Peter is a perfect set up. Peter is mentoring Miles on how to be a superhero, so Miles’ mentor slowing turning evil should be the ultimate test of who Miles is at this point. But Miles barely interacts with Peter during his descent. It’s basically one mission of “That’s weird, Peter has a new suit and is acting weird” then hours later there is a Miles vs Peter boss battle. It should have felt like the entire Miles arc was leading up to the climatic moment where he had to stand up to Peter. But instead Miles’ story arc is all about his angst regarding Martin Li, a character nobody would have cared about if he’d been left out the game completely.
For me this game had higher highs and lower lows than the original, but I kinda like it that way. I’ll replay the original game for a more consistent story with simpler controls, and I’ll replay 2 just to see some INSANE shit with crazy gameplay and a slightly weaker story.
Yeah, i'm sitting here watching this video agreeing with some of the stuff he said and thinking about criticisms i had with the game, but at the end of the day, i was playing the game the minute it released and i had the biggest grin on my face through the whole 30 hours, i can sit here and critique the game all i want but i was having the time of my life while actually playing it.
@@salemisjuucyI think you summed up my thoughts on this game perfectly tbh. I was audibly freaking tf out so many times throughout this game and although there's some stuff I think could have been better it's still such a good time. Haven't had this much fun with a game in a while
Bro is still salty about people rightfully calling tom holland Iron Man Jr. 😭💀😂 It’s not about him having high tech, it’s about his character being dependent on Tony Nice try once again 🤣
Sometimes its hard to tell if most of the complaints stem from Markus not hearing things get explained or if he did and just didn't like the explanation itself (didn't watch the stream, was too busy playing the game for myself). Cause from what I gathered, Kraven has his army of hunters do stuff for him because he doesn't want to waste his remaining time on boring/unworthy opponents. As someone who usually finds Kraven very 'whelming' I liked how he was handled here personally. Only appearing to make big moves and shake up the plot. Buuuut it's all preference at the end of the day. Glad he liked it overall even if certain bits wasn't to his taste.
Also I don't see how the characters are 'weak' and didn't have chemistry. Like Peter having bad jokes is a problem? Humor is subjective but Spider-Man almost always makes bad jokes in media from my memory. Also I don't see how the Li thing came out of nowhere. Miles didn't mention Li in his own game cuz he was locked up. Miles is now angry cause Li is free and has a chance to wreck more havoc, and that reinforces what happened in the 2018 game.
@@bro-be3bdI thought almost all the characters had weak chemistry. I was mostly invested because these were “Spider-Man” characters and not because I like the writing of the characters isolated from the comics and other Spider-Man media. Also I think Spider-Man is portrayed as just funny in general. He’s not supposed to be cringy funny, just funny-funny.
I get your complaints about miles and I think it’s bc of this strange idea that miles HAS to be the more down to earth spidey which makes sense but it gets to a point where the stakes are so high and he’s still just doing cutesy little neighbourhood shenanigans 😭 I rlly liked the music museum stuff too it just felt like it was out of a solo miles game and not this big symbiote saga epic story and yeah miles was just not a part of any of the major moments in the middle of the game and then suddenly comes back into play later
Man i don't like that direction for Miles, like both of them should get down to earth spiderman moments but still get their chance to shine in the action story
@@yonaguy6978actually Peter does have that if u played the Howard mission which was probably the most emotional mission in the game or the grandpa earl one
The first game to me was just such a perfect experience as a both a Spider Man fan and a fan of video games in general. The second game I felt tried to do so much in such a short span of time, which kind of made the story a bit too inconsistently paced with how they handled certain plotlines and storybeats compared to the first. At the end of it all I was sadly left wanting a lot more, especially when Insomniac did so damn well for their first outing with the character.
Idk, something about the characters got me feeling a disconnect too. Everything is such a high quality experience, but it’s all fluff if I as the player don’t get connected to the core emotions. Maybe getting my money back is too much, I still enjoyed my time with it, but it was a bit disappointing, and I think thats a completely fair opinion to have.
@@ApocalypticRenegade the first half of your sentence was fine but this was still a solid 8/10 game, in no way should you be wishing for your money back.
I think a misleading thing about the gadgets this time around is the idea there are only four. In subtle ways there are more, but they are tied more to skills. Impact webs for example are now a parry follow up mechanic. So still useful, but you have to earn them. You can’t just instantly spam a few impact webs to take multiple enemies down. Web bombs have been made into a much smaller scale splash zone for upgraded normal webbing. I get why they did it. They wanted the gadgets to be less spammy and Instead incorporated into the combos. As for his story complaints. Totally fair. It’s a subjective aspect but I’d say it’s objectively a little jankier because it’s balancing too much without going deep enough into a few things. That said, I’d still say thoroughly enjoyable and leagues above many other games. I personally didn’t get too annoyed by immersion issues like Kraven’s army. I know for some it’s not an excuse… but it’s a game. We need enemies to fight, and I’d be more put off by a huge swarm of petty criminals constantly attempting the same crimes despite Spider-Man stopping them every time. I also don’t mind slower moments to get more info about the world. Wholesome moments at home are nice for character building. The MJ missions less so. Learning about most of Kraven’s off screen kills through her stealth sections wasn’t very satisfying. The horror chase scene with the symbiote possessed Peter was probably the best one, but not by much. Boss fights were leagues better than the previous. Less spamming webs, hitting and the rinse repeat. There were actual mechanics to exploit in the fights while also carefully using parties and dodges. I died a lot in this game compared to the first in which that was rare even on the highest difficulty. I agree some swinging related boss battles are sorely missed here, but hey…. A green goblin fight in the future sounds perfect for that.
yeah i think it's way more balanced to have it this way, especially with things like improved boss fights and needing a full focus bar to heal, definitely went a long way in making the game's difficulty way more satisfying, i usually dislike parries in videogames but i really liked it here
also the new gadgets have way more utility, like the concussive blasts being fragmented into small mines in the groung, or the web grabber becoming a throwable shock bomb shortly after being used the only thing I miss is the web mine because it was really fun to used on stealth in the first game
I ain't really a fan of them, they promote just spamming every single gadget you have at the beginning of the fight instead of using them strategically, they also aren't really that unique from each other and aren't that good for stealth either, compared to the Frist game, it's a down grade for me (gadgets where kinda spammy in the frist game but they made up for it with enemies being immune to webs and the long recharge time this game gadgets are best when you spam all of them as quick as possible to get the hordes of enemies off of you) As for boss fights, yeah Better but you can Cheese every boss if you stay in the air which I didn't like, they did fix this with kraven with the bell stopping that but most you can just stay in the air in tell you have a opening
I actually liked the MJ sections especially when she fights the symbiotes. It made it feel like a horror game and it was really cool. Of course I find it dumb that she can one shot a symbiote but Miles or Peter have a hard time with one
It still just feels tacked on to me though so why include it? Everytime you switch to Splinter cell MJ it feels like you are playing a watered down version of last of us. It’s not bad but it just feels like they are really reaching to make her a playable character lol
@@donovan4222 Her play style isn’t just a watered down version of other games, it is made sillier by how spaced out her sections are. The game is forced to re-tutorialize you each time you take control of her. You’ve got to go from stealth-ing Kraven’s goons to fight hordes of symbiotes. There isn’t a single moment of MJ stuff that had to be playable. It could have all been done in cutscenes
I just wish they explained why the symbiote like immediately turned evil as soon as it was put on Peter, Harry has been in that vat with the symbiote for over a year at the start of the game and he shows no signs of being evil at all, but as soon as Peter puts it on he starts becoming a bad guy, it makes no sense.
The symbiote itself isn't inherently evil; it's just massively influenced by its host. - Its why Harry's desire to help results in his suit during Act 1, Peter's darker impulses and using the suit's enhanced abilities to be a "better Spider-Man" during Act 2 result in the Black Suit; the two combined both result in Venom in Act 3, with Venom still thinking of Peter as a friend and that for all intents and purposes, its/he's doing a good thing ultimately by 'healing the world", even if the way things happen are more violent/darker.
"Peter and MJ just look and act like a christian couple that have dated since high school and are saving sex for marriage." It's oddly specific yet so spot-on holy crap.
The game got pretty buggy for me during the end-game. Right about the time Venom showed up, it kept crashing. Once, it kept crashing during this one nest battle that I was having a lot of trouble with, RIGHT WHEN I WAS ABOUT TO COMPLETE IT. It did that about four times during that nest battle. Other than that (and the fact that it kept crashing occasionally after that), though, it ran pretty smoothly. Anyway, I loved this game!
For me it was at the start for some reason every time I got a collectable my game would crash which annoyed me since I wanted to get upgrades to make the combat easier since the enemies in this game are pretty tanky.
The MJ levels are way better than the first. And they're great at seeing Spider-Man as a regular person with no powers. I'm thinking of that one mission as MJ at May's house, that was insane!
in comparison it does slow down the pace to a grinding halt. Maybe throwing in a Harry level here and there would've helped the pacing and we could've gotten some introspective dialogue for Harry and how his mind is when he has it on.
@@iamgod7833 I personally didn’t think it did. It’s better than she has a defensive weapon to use to take out enemies and to just walk around in the first game pressing buttons. But she was way stronger of a character in this. Having her own thoughts and feels and expressing them to Peter.
@@iamgod7833unless it’s venom harry or agent harry all we would need is a cutscene; same with mj but atleast she’s a fucking super spy now, harry is just a dude with cancer
Turning MJ into Solid Snake really pulled me off the story, it also made Kravens goons a joke after the game tries really hard to make them feel threatening to the point Spideys go “hunters keep me on my toes” after you fight them on crimes. I don’t understand why they doubled down on the MJ stuff because they could have showed how fearless and confident she is when trying to break Peter out the symbiote by just talking to him. Same when she turns to Scream and how she manages to resist with Pete’s help. Also why didn’t Miles swing her at the end and she is on her bike? It’s so random. Miles being the final gameplay part when he had no emotional attachment to Harry felt so weird. The writing felt very CW at times, especially when the trio where together.
Yeah MJ missions were real setback for the game phase,if she had to help or get things done,why we have another spiderman in 1st place? I mean comeon. Being spidy gf is not gona make her hero. I am still thinking Miles chasing Venom Peter would be more deep.
@@psychiartist122 her chase scene was really well done but I still don’t understand the fact they made her into a badass I’m stealth for some reason. There’s other ways to write competent and compelling female characters but they don’t know how to do it besides making her do “cool stuff” it’s why so many romantic interests of super heroes are reporters so they get directly involved in the plot “investigating” or something. They all want to turn them into a good Lois Lane but fail every time.
@@kjk607 there’s some really good stuff there but also a lot that doesn’t mesh well. It clearly shows the game is written by a bunch of different people with no cohesive tissue.
I really hope they add the feature to change the time of day after beating the main story like you could in the first game. Felt like I didn't get to appreciate and experience the different symbiote suits at night time enough, especially since a lot of the cooler looking symbiote suits are locked at least to lvl 30+
also 2:47 that swinging is largely unchanged? That is the one point I disagree with. Corner tethering an d being able to choose which building to attach my web to is revolutionary for swinging
@TheMainelson I think ultimately if you were to play this game and the other two side by side you wouldn't really see a huge difference outside of speed and added abilities. The core swing mechanics are basically the exact same plus some QOL changes that only people with 100+ hours in each game would recognize.
@@synystervidz3451 but corner tethering is an entirely new swing mechanic that transforms the swinging entirely. I only discovered what it can do and how much it changes swinging after finishing the story sadly, there is no tutorial, it's just one of the early traversal skills you have to unlock and I thought for the longest time that it was just the WALL corner tether from last game, but you can gain insane speed by cornering around a building with it and gain even some height, by repeated quick tethering. You have to move horizontally in space instead of vertically like for normal swings You cant't do it while falling at a substantial speed much less diving. Think of it like a horizontal swing around buildings. Sorry for the rant but I feel like super many people don't realize how transformative corner tethering is lol. I corner tether more than I swing by R2 after discovering it
@@TheMainelson Oh yeah I know what you mean but again, that would fall under new abilities as it is unlocked in the skill tree. I would also need to see it used the way you're talking before I would consider it "game changing". I've used it to tie together some cool looking sequences but I've yet to have it provide the utility you mention
@@synystervidz3451 idk I always try to move corner by corner anyways and the normal swing is just slow and imprecise for that. With the corner tether you move considerably faster and can indefinitely loop around thin building and poles and trees and such and gain insane speed without having to dive or even move fast before starting the loop.Just try using it more and figure out how best to use it with your style. I can't find any game play on the quick unfortunately
Okay but why can’t MJ be a bad ass like I think it’s cool to see her develop into a character that can handle her self especially when she’s so used to being around crazy ass super villains it’s dumb to think she should be always relegated to the love, interest, or damsel in distress
The fact that a ton of the best suits from the previous games were cut is an absolute crime, bombastic bag man, vintage suit, 2099 white suit, future foundation, and so many more incredible suits gone. I can maybe understand the cell-shaded suits since there might be some lighting issues that could complicate things but for everything else I can’t think of any good reasons to not include them. It’s a similar story with Ng+ and the ability to replay levels.
I had this really simple idea on how to rework Miles' story: First, instead of Miles suddenly deciding he wants revenge, have Kraven sort of mentor him. Miles doesn't really have a father figure anymore (he has Peter but they're closer to peers as mentor/mentee) and Kraven wouldn't necessarily be interested in killing the weaker of two Spider-men. So Kraven befriends and takes Miles under his wing, seemingly helping him deal with his linger trauma over his dad's death but also stoking his willingness to get revenge. This would not only have Miles' arc more closely parallel Peter's with the Symbiote, but also give Kraven a stronger presence in the story
honestly kinda similar to what they had happening in the tasm 2 game with peter getting mentored by kraven before he discovers the truth/falls out with him.
i'm sorry but that just doesn't work for this miles i don't think, bro's a goody two shoes he wouldn't trust kraven at all, i think if it was yuri instead maybe that would work since she's not a villain but also not a hero so she could corrupt him a lil bit.
An interesting take, but given Kravens already disturbingly dysfunctional relationship with his own family I don't really see him as the nurturing type.
The story is basically fan fiction in the last 3rd in my opinion. Whatever they had with Doc Oc at the end of the first game, they had the opposite feeling in this one towards the end. The story just dragged. And they really did not know how to write Mile's into the main story. TBH I think the game should have been mostly just Peter and Miles figuring things out with the villains at the center. The side characters get way too much attention.
I feel like an 8 is very fair for this game. I agree that there are a lot of highs and lows in the main campaign and it feels a bit all over the place in terms of quality but the bones are solid and the presentation is top notch. The side missions are a lot more consistently engaging. One particular side mission was so well done and made with such care for a certain character that it was emotionally resonant.
I feel like an 8 doesnt do it justice, like the way they did venom was INSANELY GOOD. And although kraven as a character could’ve been explored more, his main intents and feelings were so fucked up that i feel like it was just enough.
@@alphadoge8639 8 quite literally means great lol. This game ain't a masterpiece. It's a damn fair score. People giving this game a 10 when it has problems like this isn't a total improvement with its pacing, etc is pretty weird.
@@ChadAV69 Now THATS a bit harsh but I also think scoring is relative. For me almost anything 6-10 is worth playing at least once Examples (just my opinion) 1-5: a score in this range is a spectrum of what I’d find to be an unenjoyable experience not redeemed by many (if any) factors 6-10: scoring here and above means I found at least some value in the experience 6 largely held back by major issues but with enough solid moments to keep me engaged 7 An overall good experience with some heavy caveats 8 A largely Great game with a few small issues 9 An excellent experience with minimal pain points. 10 Masterful. A game that transcends any flaws and delivers a novel experience. As close to perfect without being so as nothing is perfect.
I think his reasoning would be that there are a lot less gadgets in this game so it matters more. I don’t have a problem with it, but that might be his opinion.
@@greyham181Spider-Man invented Web Shooters. They nearly let him fly. That's like one more step to antigravity. Peter is a genius. Of course he can make anti gravity. Complaining it's not Spider-Man is like saying Tony Stark can build a spaceship
Claiming that miles "suddenly" wants "revenge" on Martin Li, and that Li wasnt "brought up" in his own game is a crazy take. Li is the reason his father died in the original game and was in jail the entire time. It wasnt even a "revenge" story line. And to preface that take with gaslighting people whether they played the same game is even crazier.
Man. I love this game. The amount of Venom lore they managed to shove in this game is astonishing. Such a love letter to Venom and 30 YEARS of existence in several forms of media.
Bro its a public execution of Venom. They put that character and their history to the fucking gallows. This is nothing like Venom he’s just a nock off Null with a Venom coat of paint. Thats also ignoring the fact half the Venom lore in this game is from VERY RECENT Venom runs. This is a terrible adaptation of Venom. Its an incredible symbiote story but the worst Venom story we’ve had sense Sam Raimi’s Spiderman 3. That doesn’t mean Venom in this game is bad nor the game bad its very good but this is not a live letter its a broken promise and lies. This is not Venom.
@@Goober440 bro is on the zaza, u basically said this venom story was worse than the venom movies. nah im fininshed u trippin fr. this venom was the best venom we have ever seen
The funniest thing for me is that one of those tutorial prompts literally bugged for me because I started pressing the button in the fight before the prompt popped up, and then I couldn't select or do anything. I had to close and reopen the game. One of the only major bugs I actually had
17:09 This, this right here! The boss fights were cool but I hated how most of them were in confined spaces! For example, there were moments in the "Scream" boss fight where I kept kicking the boss out of bounds and whenever I tried to go after them the game would throw me back into the designated arena and I had to wait until they jumped back in to continue fighting them. There were also times when you would perform a finisher and it was blocked by a tree or wall. Hopefully when we get the inevitable Carnage DLC, they'll have the boss fights in a more open area.
Completely agree with you on the 'nightmare' sequences. Going into them I was really excited, such a great opportunity to showcase some proper character.. then they went on to just scratch the surface on the simplest concepts every single time. You have characters literally inside other characters heads but you have nothing to say? Disappointing
It took 20 years, but by turning off swing assist fully in this game; there is finally a Spider-Man game that feels as good to swing around as Spider-Man 2 (2004)
