Did Dinosaurs Exist? | Guest: Ken Ham (Part One) | Ep 861 

Does anyone else get so excited when “your people” come together for a sit down? This made me realize Allie should also have Ray Comfort on the show.

Ken's resources have helped me so much as a homeschool mom. We spend every morning in the bible & his Answers in Genesis for kids tackling 1 question a day. Applogetics for our children is VITAL!

I'm convinced that our Great Father is a scientist, among many, many other things... even a Comedian. I just love Him! ❤

7 billion people with a different thumb print, 7 billion people with a different eye print, 7 billion people with a different D N A print, now that's a God thing.

Genesis is absolutely fundamental for our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. God bless you Allie and Ken! “If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”

Very thankful for Ken Ham. I visited the Ark Encounter last week. It was a wonderful experience. Highly recommend for families.

The age of the earth has always been a debated topic in the church. To say that this debate is a result of modern science or Darwinism is just not true. St. Iraneus (whose mentor was taught by John himself), Cyprian, and Origen are all examples of churchmen who openly taught that the first few chapters are to be interpreted figuratively. But they all also believed in a literal historical Adam and Eve. Old earth creationism isn’t new in the church. Nor does it require one to abandon the literal history of genesis 1-11 which comes to us in a figurative genre of literature.

Now have Hugh Ross on and ask him the same questions.

I believe 7 days did not mean 7 days consisting of 24 hours. As someone who works in the science community I am often criticized for my beliefs as someone who doesn’t believe in “facts.” But I stand firm in my beliefs that 7 days to God may not have been equivalent to what 7 days means to us now.

I am both a Christian and a science scholar and I am just continually disappointed in Christians' inability to see and understand nuance. Science proving that the earth is 4.6 billion years old and believing the creation account in Genesis is hyperbole does not all of a sudden mean there is no God and no creation. This digging in heels and insisting Genesis is literal and that the earth is only 6000 years old is the worst case of putting God in a box I've ever seen. To use the same argument back...how do you know the earth is 6000 years old...were you there? Carbon dating and other forms of dating things is not based on belief. It is based on empirical evidence that can be tested and proven over and over and over consistently. Thinking that the earth is only 6000 years old is *really* limiting what we think God is capable of. The evidence continues to prove over and over that the earth is 4.6 billion years old, and that the universe is 13-26 billion years old. This fact is so mind boggling that it makes me even more in awe of God and the vastness of God's incredible creation! Just thinking about it affirms and strengthens my belief God every time. It just gives us a tiny glimpse at the vast capabilities of God that surpasses all human understanding. When it comes to evolution...same thing. Carbon dating *proves* consistently over and over that life on earth has exsisted for at least 3.7 billion years. Darwin certainly didn't get every detail right, but he got the big picture right. Darwin was Christian until around 40 when he became agnostic. But he was never an atheist because he recognized it takes just as much faith to not believe in God as it takes to believe in God. But he did not have an agenda, he was just observing and recording what was. Yes, evil people through history have used natural selection as an excuse for committing horrendous atrocities. But the thing is, those people were performing *intentional* selection...NOT natural selection. No one takes *everything* in the Bible literally. Anyone can basically provide passages from scripture to argue pretty much any contradicting points they want. To really find meaning in the Bible, you have to read it according to the context of the various eras and cultures the books were written in. We have to use both the faculty of reason God gave us, and read with discernment. I think it's fallible to believe the Bible is infallible. It may have been inspired by an infallible God, but it was written by fallible humans. The measuring stick I use when reading scripture is the character of Jesus. If it aligns with His teachings, it is likely from God. If it contradicts His teachings, it is likely from humans. Science does not disprove God's existence at all! Science just helps us understand the unfathomable complexity of God's creation. It explains the "how" ... but our faith explains "why." These things are not contradictory. Science helps us understand the incredible systems God created and set into motion. I believe God absolutely has a hand in all these processes, including the slow processes of geology and evolution! The sooner we can get rid of this false dichotomy between God and science, the better.

I’ve been listening to Ken Ham since I was a little kid. I appreciate him and his work, however I’ve come to believe he is wrong to tie 6 day creationism to biblical inerrancy. It sets up a false conflict that has led directly to many young Christians deconstructing their faith. He would do well to acknowledge that there ARE actually plausible alternative interpretations that uphold the integrity of scripture and are intellectually rigorous (not that I necessarily believe them), and a six 24 hour day creation was not what the church held to for most of its history.

Whoop whoop! Great choice to interview Ken Ham!!!

Truth United, Dr. Gavin Ortland. Great rebuttal. He’s a reformed Baptist like you.

Great show! I love Answers in Genesis .

Doesn’t the Bible say that a thousand years is like a day unto God? Couldn’t that be a possibility that when a day is referenced that many thousands of years were encompassed into that? Obviously we can’t know for sure nor is it crucial for salvation but it’s an interesting possibility

I asked my Dad (a very devoted man of Christ) one time why the Bible never mentioned the dinosaurs. His reply, "that's one of those questions that you will find out the answer to when you get to Heaven, if you get to Heaven."

Allie, please give time to Reasons to Believe Hugh Ross or Fuz Rana. They give Biblical evidence that coincides with an old earth. (Not evolution from one species to another). If you see the earth and its layers of is obvious the earth is not young, and scientifically minded youth will see the problem.

"If Genesis is metaphor, then you can make it mean whatever you want" we'll said mr ken 👍

Allie, I just want to say I'm so glad to find your channel, it has been very helpful for me in learning about God and His Will and how awesome He is!

Pleasant words are a honeycomb sweet to the soul and healing to the bones praise God praying for everyone everyday God bless you all

Since coming to Christ, this has been on of my favorite topics! I never cared much about dinosaurs because why would I care about an animal from millions of years ago? But now, they are just fascinating!! Would love to hear an interview about the topic of global warming.

When I was in Addis Adaba I saw “Lucy.” Informative episode. Thanks Allie.

I went to the creation museum almost two weeks ago and the ark encounter. I love Ken Ham if you go to the creation museum make sure you see the planetarium and learn how the stars themselves disprove the millions or billions of years theories. Its so beautiful and oh my the adorable little amish children in there suspenders. Ironically me and my husband wanted to go when school was in so it wouldn't be so crowded. The first day we realized there was a lot of kids, (most behaved children Id ever seen). But anyways my husband and I realized the reason they weren't starting school that week is because a lot of Christians homeschool. We both laughed at the fact neither one of us thought of that because we had conversations that if God had given us children we never would of put them in public school. F.Y.I we both went to public school. I don't apologize for my opinions on public school but I do apologize for my bad grammer. Sorry I went to public school.

Thank you, Lord, for Ken Ham; thank you for his wisdom and plainspoken courage.

What you really need to ask is are Dragons real? The name dinosaur was a remake of the term dragon. There are thousands of pictorials of 'dragons ' in historical buildings and sites. 44:34 i see i spoke too soon 😏

I absolutely love that you're talking with Ken Ham! I got to meet him at Sherwood Baptist Church in Georgia. It was awesome! He's fantastic. And in person in your studio no less!

This man is truly being used by the Lord! It is such a breath of fresh air to hear the Biblical account for creation explained. This man has helped me so much in my faith as I struggled to reconcile faith and what I had been told at school for years. May God bless you Mr. Ken Ham, and you, Allie, for having him!

Love love loveeee that you had a different perspective on this topic. It's always the same but Ken ham offers a different perspective and I love to hear it. 👏👏👏👏

It's good to be happy with God today praise God praying for everyone everyday God bless you all

My question has always been, if there was 'evolution' why did it stop? Why aren't monkey's still "evolving into humans" if it was so true? Why aren't fish still coming out of the sea to grow legs and turn into mammals? I saw those videos with Bill Nye, or most of them. I was so turned off by his negative attitude. Not even wanting to see, and understand, what Ken was sharing with him.

I couldn't help but sing Buddy Davis' Billions of Dead Things' during the discussion of the Flood. Great episode! As a science teacher at a Christian School, most of this information I've already studied and nerding out about. This discussion doesn't even scratch the surface of what topics i see being debated in the comments. The documentary "Is Genesis History?" By Del Tackett is another great resource if people are looking for more scientific proof about a world wide catastrophic flood. Answers in Genesis is a great resources that covers so many topics of devate such as the Ice Age and animal movement after the flood, speciation of the kinds of animals, dragon legends, Native American Petroglyphs of dinosaurs found in Utah and Arizona and so much more. Can't wait for part 2!

I love Ken Ham and AIG.

YEC theology was one of the concepts that I found so repellant about evangelical Protestantism that I spent close to a decade of my life rejecting Christianity outright. Thank God I found Orthodoxy, where the church does not take a dogmatic position on how to interpret Genesis. You can believe in YEC if you really want too, but its not a requirement to receive God's grace through the holy mysteries (sacraments) of the church. Speaking of Genesis and sacraments, can someone explain how it is that Protestantism, particularly American Evangelical Protestantism, gets so preoccupied with a strict literal interpretation of the creation account in Genesis, but when Jesus Christ himself makes explicit mention of things like the sacrament of confession, the Eucharist, fasting as a form of spiritual discipline and a regular part of Christian life, everything all of a sudden becomes a metaphor about grape juice?

Ken Ham visited our church here in Sydney Australia back in the 1990s. I've listened to him many times over the years and keep building on my belief of a young earth. I love the way he breaks it all down and explains it so clearly. Thank you.

Ken Ham is such a blessing. So clear, perceptive, and consistent in his presentation. Praise God for him and his godly parents, who taught his to stand steadfastly on the Word of God.

My 9 year old loves Dinos and last week he was looking at a pic of an alligator and goes “I think Dinos are in the same family as alligators.” Well buddy…you are probably right! Loved this episode!

Ken Ham: The universe is only 5,000 years old. Me: So we shouldn't be able to see anything that's past 5,000 light years away in space at that light wouldn't have been able to reach us yet. Ken Ham: Well God's all-powerful and can make the light appear here. Me: So God's deceiving us 🤔?

I’m a Christian and have been keeping an open mind on this subject for decades. I would love to see a truly scientific debate/argument for young earth.

Ask him about the firmament and the shape of the earth.

Genesis 1. ...Now the earth was formless and empty...(but for how long ago?) If I build something out of LEGOS, well, those particular lego pieces from the manufacturer could be way older than my created object of course. Time of Formlessness vs. Creation time. Either way, God.

Excellent point - people pick and choose what they want to discredit based on their feelings about it.

Thank you so much for having him on! This issue has bothered me for so many years. I made it through four years of college to get a biological engineering degree without falling prey to the natural origins religion, but that's not true for too many people. I have a friend who became an atheist after college because evolutionary science sounded so convincing.

I love Ken and Answers in Genesis! Completely convicted in young earth!

Love brother ken. Have more conversations like this

Thanks for sharing.

2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day.

I think it's profound that God made the light and separated it from the dark before He created the heavens (sun, moon, and stars).

You can believe in Genesis 1 literally and believe in an old earth. The Hebrew word in Genesis "yom" can be translated as a 24 hour period of time or as a long but finite period of time.

Ken Ham is so off. People believed (including many major church fathers) in old earth years before the scientific revolution. Gavin Ortlund dismantled Ham’s arguments very thoroughly and yet lovingly.

The comments make me believe we have a common ancestor with apes the more i read them

I would recommend people look into that Mt. St. Helen’s radio-metric dating example. It’s actually very well refuted by Christian and secular scientists alike and there are some great detailed analyses showing how the testing was done inaccurately. Ken Ham is being dishonest by continuing to use this as an example, portraying it as if it somehow calls radio-metric dating methods into question. It’s concerning that he feels the need to resort to deceptive arguments in order to give his position credibility, especially as a Christian.

Ken Ham is a national treasure

- the word description of 'heavens' isn't written for until and after Genesis 1:1

Our homeschool group uses a compact, easy-to-understand book: Unanswered Questions in the Sunday News, by Michael Ben Zehabe. Great for taking a scientific approach to strengthen a Christian's faith in the creation account.

Next time, do a Pod Cast called "is the sky blue?"

A family from church came back from the ark museum with a book about how Noah's son Ham turned brown, got cursed, went to africa and made everybody deserving of slavery. This wouldn't bother me as much if it weren't for the fact that my wife is black and my kids are therefore "tan". Christianity in the South is sooooo depressingly backwards.

Fantastic conversation! You know, while you're at it, I would recommend you interview paleontologist Marcus Ross as he may add some more meat to this subject!

Ken Ham is solid. I used a lot of his recommended material while homeschooling children.

In high school i learned about evolution - coming from s completely secular worldview. Basic logic, math, and biology showed me it is obviously impossible. Why isn't that obvious to every educated person?

I have to say, though, that while I agree with them about a literal Genesis interpretation, look at Song of Solomon. That's not literal. It's poetry. If you took that literally, there would be some really weird interpretations. Each book has to be interpreted as the kind of literature it was intended to be.

I think it's great how most famous scientists are Christians too!!!

This just shows that not everyone needs a podcast

Yes dinosaurs are real. You should also get Dr. Jason Lisle, Dr. Sarfati on there. For Protestants, you should get James White and Gavin Otlund.

I’ve heard him speak before, but I really enjoyed this interview afresh!

I have many of his books. He spoke at a church we attended many years ago.

I love listening to scientists who believe in God.

As homeschoolers, we’ve used some Answers in Genesis curriculum and loved it! This was a great discussion. My question for him would be about Pangea. Is it just an evolutionist theory or was this also a result of the flood?

So excited for this episode! Two of my favorite people!! Ken is a legend! He was like a wise and humorous uncle to my homeschooling kids! We made it to the museum as soon as it opened! And now my grandkids have visited the ark! 😊

Did dinosaurs exist? They still exist today. The komoto dragon is a "terrible lizard".

When in the Psalms it says God owns the sheep on a thousand hills, does it mean the sheep on the 1,001 hill belong to someone else? The ancient Hebrew word for day is Yom. It was routinely used in the Bible for a 24 hour period, for the daylight part of that 24 hour period, and for longer periods of time (...and in that day...). Nothing requires anyone to believe that the Creation took six 24 hour days except the presupposition by young-earth creationists that the English word day in their modern Bible only has one meaning. It doesn't. Ancient Hebrew had about 3,000 words other then 3,000 words for proper names. Bible ignorance and willful resistance is what forces a few people to demand a six 24 hour definition of day in Genesis.

Carbon dating is how they determine age of artifacts and bones...this is 3rd grade knowledge. I'm a follower of Christ but you can't sit here and diminish the importance and credibility of archeology.

I wish Ken Ham would be honest and admit that other interpretations of Genesis 1-11 are not simply reinterpretations because of modern scientific thought, e.g. evolution and age of earth. There are not only modern biblical scholars who arrive at a different interpretation by textual analysis, but also historical Christians prior to Darwinism, i.e. Augustine, who held other interpretations.

I’m so glad you had Ken Ham on, he was one of first apologists I listened to and I think he’s got some very good points. We love dinosaurs 🦕 in my household, and often roll our eyes when we hear the claim that they lived hundreds of millions of years ago, before man ever existed. They don’t know that, but these ‘facts’ are claimed with such confidence! Wonderful interview Allie, can’t wait to listen to part 2! 😊

I struggle with Genesis. Pray for me to understand

I really like Ken Ham… and I think he gets a lot of things right… but I also think he gets some things wrong. While I would tend to agree with Ken that the earth may not be billions of years… I’m also not sure I believe it’s only 6000 years old.

Allie, two words: John Walton. Check him out.

I've studied Ken Ham's work and others for years. It seems to me that understanding Genesis for the obvious literal historical account it's meant to be, vs saying "there's no way the Earth is that young, so clearly we have to read Genesis as metaphorical", is the same dichotomy as atheism vs Christianity as a whole. You can't prove either... but archaeology, astronomy, biology, and science as a whole is pretty clearly on only one side of this. You can believe whatever you want because neither can be _proven..._ but if you read into all the science literature you can find about the age of the Earth, it's just obvious that it lines up with Genesis as a literal historical account. Most people nowadays just find that hard to swallow because they've been taught Darwinian evolution in school from before they could even read and write.

'My bike break down today. I create my bike.' Both context and terms tell us what (b) 'I create my bike' can normally mean in relation to (a) 'My bike break down today'. The same principle applies to Genesis 1, but NOT without regard for HEBREW grammar. Two examples are: 'darkness' in v. 2 being alike to 'darkness' in Exodus 19:9; Psalm 97:2; Job 3:1-9, 22:11-17, 38:9; Deuteronomy 4:11; and Psalm 18:11 and ancient Hebrew has no pluperfect verb (had, had had, had been, etc). Instead, ancient Hebrew relies, as some other ancients languages do, on universal Natural Knowledge to communicate or exegete the chronology of what otherwise would be a radically odd part of a chronologically straightforward narrative. This is because of three UNIVERSAL things: U1: Natural Language is a function primarily of the universal self-evidence of Life-affirming, Earth-affirming, Divine Design. It is not mainly or broadly a function of the idea of 'the logically possible.' U2: The nature of a chronologically straightforward narrative is that the first parts of the narrative semantically condition the latter parts, NOT the other way. U3: NORMAL, plain literal usage often may involve topical considerations without exactingly narrow regard for chronology.

I love Ken as a brother, but I respectfully disagree with most of this. I am at least very appreciative that he finally has clarified that Old Earth Creationists (OECs) are indeed Christians, contrary to what he has implied before in previous discussions and taken some heat for. He stereotypes OECs as purporting "I don't believe Gen 1-11 is literal because evolution says so". He doesn't share the actual primary reason behind many of these Christians' belief in OEC, which is not the science, but rather analyzing the literary genre of Genesis so that we can do a correct hermeneutical reading of the text. In the video, Ken says "why do people take Gen 1-11 in particular [as allegory], and why not other parts of Scripture?". Well Ken, Christians DO actually take other parts of Scripture non-literally. Revelation is apocalyptical imagery, the Psalms are poetry, the prophets are highly hyperbolic, and the parables in the gospels are not to be read literally. He makes it sound like Christians take all the rest of scripture as woodenly literal too! How Ken "missed" this basic fact of biblical hermeneutics is astounding. What he needs to do is provide reasons, from the Scriptural text of Genesis itself, for why he classifies Genesis 1-11 into the literary genre of literalistic historical biography when more than 1/3 of the Hebrew OT is not in this genre. The Bible is not a scientific textbook. It's purpose is not to teach us a botany lesson on mustard seeds being the smallest of all seeds (Mark 4:31), that the Sun revolves around Earth (Psalm 104:5, etc), that a literal dragon will walk onto the land (Rev 13), or that snakes and God both once walked around on legs (Gen 3:8-13).

Yesssss! Excited for this episode. Even before i became a Bible believing christian i questioned whether dinosaurs (etc) were real 😂🤔

This discussion was so interesting to listen to and the comments are too!

I saw that debate with him and Bill Nye

Three Bible uses "Day" both to man 24 hours and in some contexts, it also means an age... he compares ir to use of the terms male and female but those are never used in any other way other than to describe male and female. .. I've always found Ken Hams logic to be unconvincing and this certainly hasn't changed my mind.

One of your best episodes so far!! I was recently studying Job and trying to figure out what behemoth and leviathan were! They sure didnt sound like just a hippo or crocodile! I looked around the internet and found a few christian biblical archaeology sites that said that these were giant mammals that have now become extinct. They said they were not dinosaurs as dinosaurs existed millions of years ago. They then went on to say that God re-created the earth in Genesis and that there could already have been an earth with some life form existing before that. I didn't know what to think of it, but here you are with this episode today, and it answers all my doubts. I know what to believe now. When Ken Ham said there was no death before Adam and so the fossils couldn't have been from before Adam did it for me! Thanks Ken and Allie!

Thank you so much for interviewing Ken Ham and picking his brain...really helps me to come to better understanding of the creation account which i believe

Very good

Mindboggling that such a question even needs to be asked - sad, really.

My 2 yro - just turned 2 knows every dino. She says clearly pachystephalosaurus & all the rest. Shes now working on sea animals. She sits w thimb in mouth and watches Little fox which explains a tiny in depth story on all animals. A waitress asked if she wanted cookie monster or Elmo cupcakes. Mom said she doesn't know who they are lol

I agree! Let's read the book of Genesis and believe it! Man says the Earth is surrounded by a vacuum but Genesis 1 says the Earth is surrounded by water. Man says the Moon is a reflector of the sunlight but Genesis one says it's a light itself. God created two lights a greater light and a lesser light. These are truths that even Ken Ham struggles with.

I’m so thankful for him! We went to the creation museum and Ark a few years ago. It made me want to live to Kentucky 😂

- Genesis 1:2, is the created re-position and firmament towards and within the earth

One question I always have why did the dinosaurs have armor plates?

You should have Dr. Jason Lisle on

I used to believe dinosaurs were non-existent because of what darwinism did with them and the whole Creation timeline, but in the end, they did exist, and the Bible even mentions some of them: leviathan, behemoth, Jonah's great fish, the great sea creatures of Genesis, and according to Hebrew understanding of Genesis, some animals were actually "great animals" you would translate as "dinosaurs" nowadays...

It shows revelation God makes the new heaven and Earth in a moment

What about the literal interpretation of the body and blood? Not just a metaphor

Why are some Christians threatened by the concept of a Universe that is billions of years old?

The kids need to hear both sides honestly and factual they need to learn to think for themselves , media. Will just confuse .

- and Genesis 1:1 ending with a period is not a generalization within a context

Ken Ham: Scientists ASSUMED that the fossil record was correct, because they came in with preconceived notions. Also Ken Ham: I saw the fossils, and it didn't fit my preconceived notions, so they must be much younger than carbon dating says. Me: ???