Damn that would be crazy! Especially considering what Vegeta’s mindset was and what his done before the Android Saga. Imagine that Vegeta being reduced to a Worker for King Yemma, honestly that would be his own personal hell for him.
Realistically he would’ve went to hell, in the future he wouldn’t have had as many good deeds as the main timeline vegeta.even after sacrificing himself in the buu saga he still went to hell.
It could be argued that Vegeta only went to Hell in the Buu saga because he'd killed all of those spectators at the World Tournament as Majin Vegeta, and that had he not done that it was very possible that Vegeta would instead have been allowed to join Goku in Otherworld after his selfless and heroic (if reckless) actions during the battle with Super Perfect Cell. But Vegeta redeeming himself both by knowingly fighting a losing battle against Kid Buu just to buy time (swallowing his pride as a warrior in the process to do so) and his very carefully thought out wish to only bring back the good people killed since the day of the World Tournament, fully expecting that he himself would *NOT* be revived most likely outweighed his needless slaughter of the World Tournament spectators and redeemed him enough to classify him as a genuine "good guy" at that point.
@@shokumiyazaki4931 that could’ve contributed, but in general piccolo says it’s mainly because of how many people he’s killed over his lifetime, before z vegeta literally committed mass genocide on a daily basis.
Killing shouldn't be a justification as Goku already did mass murdering. Vegeta was sent to hell due to Babidi's magic unleashing his inner evil in him, and also for killing many innocent people the same day he died.
@@RianeouRiandosSantosFerreira goku “mass murdered” the red ribbon army for a good cause as they were literally trying to take over the planet and hurting innocent people. And every other person goku killed was pure evil. Whereas vegeta did mass genocide to innocent planets in a daily basis for most of his life until namek.
Yes, without a doubt he went to hell. However there was more to Vegeta redeeming himself than just taking on Kid Buu, but it's also because his soul ain't bad anymore internally. When Vegeta made his wish he put some deep thought into it to word it in such a way where all the good people returned and all the bad wouldn't, therefore Babidi wouldn't return either. Because he legitimately felt bad for what he did. After the wish was initiated, Namek's dragon did both accounting for his deeds and searched his soul and came to the conclusion he was finally good, and able to return back to life
@@QaamansLand I always try to grammatically correct myself because autocorrect seems to mess up everything I type. I already had to edit more stuff because of how atrocious the grammar turned out.
>doesn't even capitalize the location ESL? Demoralized? What's the issue, lad? Anyway, only Raditz went to Hell in canon. We don't know of anyone else being sent there (not even Frieza). The brother of Goku got what he got simply for being stupid (attacking his judge). >without a doubt For Future? I'm not so sure. You would think so (reasonably), but we just don't know how the system works (like, at all). Piccolo had no business getting not just to keep his body, but to travel to King Kai's planet. Think on that situation. Does his self-interest protecting against the invaders redeem him? Not really. Sacrifice for the boy he meant to use as a weapon (kidnapped for that cause and abused) undo his attempted murder of many, many people with the desire to continue his father's work (enslave and torment Earth)? He even trapped Kami (an official within their deity hierarchy **guardian**) within himself. What canon crimes does Vegeta have? He was eating some bug person on some unknown world he had some part in conquering, no doubt. Came to Earth to wipe them out, but just made the attempt (only thing he killed was a Cultivar **like Piccolo**). He DOES slaughter a village of Nameks (maybe a dozen kills to his name there). Wipes out a bunch of Frieza soldiers (not great people) for his own ambitions (his team-up against the space slum lord wasn't for want of doing good). Gets brought back and does nothing more, really (just killed by the borgs). Only sounds slightly worse than Pickle Junior's case, but one really does need to keep in mind we don't have a clue about the judgement system in the Afterlife for AT's goofy setting. If PICCOLO can go BEYOND Heaven, what makes one think Vegeta can't just get reincarnated? Why would he be doomed to Hell shy of trying to slap the piss out of Enma? I'm just not sure there is a reason to think that holds water. But alas, Toribot never saw fit to world build all that much. Impossible to know how it would truly go down. In the main timeline we see his crimes expand with 300 more murders to his name, but his good deeds weigh against them such that he is still considered good by the dragon god. At worst he gets reincarnated. NOTE: Wouldn't even surprise me if he gets a pass to Heaven (especially with Super considered).
@@BigVEE that's some hell of an idea! What if Vegeta got reincarnated before he got revived? Like, what if Yemma feared for Gokus idiocy and prevented the ressurrection of dudes which Goku just wants to fight 'again'.
At the end, I think since Vegeta destroyed planets full of races, biomes, nature and stuff, there's nothing he could ever do to NOT go to hell. Yeah, he saved some. He became altruistic. But ask the families of Arlia. They won't care. Some of Universe 7's lack of cultivated planet is due to his deeds, his decisions. And that's coming from a Vegeta-Fan.
In the eyes of the dragon he was good. He had redeemed himself at that point. But yes he is guilty of a ridiculous amount of genocide and straight up murder.
@@aminebachir3394 Arlia i just one shown example of his deeds. It was claimed that he conquered many planets, and I doubt he used economy and contracts.
Majin Vegeta never got sent to Hell. Just as Piccolo described, his soul was destined to be "cleansed," basically turning him into a new lifeform with permanent amnesia of his former self. It's similar to Kid Buu's incarnation to Uub just without the potential. Point is, Future Vegeta most likely got reincarnated. He could've been an alien, Earthling, or someone else.
Hell in canon Dragon Ball is a place where you're sent to be cleansed and reincarnated. The idea that it's a place where you're allowed to exist as you were for a long time comes solely from the filler and some movies and doesn't really line up, because filler Hell has villains keep their bodies, despite Saiyan Saga and other incidents involving canon Other World stating that you can't keep your body without approval.
This was a really interesting look at the original Vegeta. Do I wish the dragon world of this timeline had more screen time/manga pages? Yes, absolutely. In a perfect world, would I like to see any underlying plot holes get an explanation? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
If am being honest I feel like after Goku died in the Future Timeline Vegeta become more laid back and possibly stopped his training for a bit since there was no one for him to fight or surpass. And even though Vegeta was fighting the Androids and therefore sort of helping and doing some good even though it was probably for self fish reasons, I feel like he mostly did go to hell or he just became something like a working for King Yemma like what @LordZula mentioned, I think if this being a possibility because Vegeta being in hell would probably be to good for him in King Yemma’s eyes since he already went through that being a servant for Frieza and be utterly embarrassed by him. So imagine he gets to the other world just to be a lackey for someone else, that would be pure hell for Vegeta.
Hell for Vegeta in the Janemba movie was an eternity without his physical body. He was cloud dust. So it depend on which version of hell you considering.
@@divineeternity7268 Well am most likely thinking about how hell was in the filler episodes of Dragon Ball Z but since that’s not technically canon am thinking about how in hell Frieza got his own personal hell so it would make sense for Vegeta to have technically have one, Maybe something like him achieving Super Sayian on namek but still losing to Frieza since him losing his body just seems too unoriginal.
Yeah, he almost definitely goes to Hell. The events of all timelines are presumed to be identical up until the point when Future Trunks first arrives in the Present timeline to make mincemeat of Frieza, and while Vegeta is not an active threat to the Earth or the Z Warriors at that time, he still has a decade to go before he becomes a good person. In the fight against 18, he kills several drivers (which DBZA makes a point of emphasizing) while she's mostly dodging and weaving to wear him down.
I figured this was just sort of a given for this very reason. Buu Saga Vegeta, who was honestly just Trunks Timeline Vegeta with an extra 7+ years of settling down, who literally sacrificed his life for selfless reasons, still went to Hell. What POSSIBLE reason could there be for earlier-in-the-timeline Vegeta to go anywhere else?
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Doesn't make a difference. When Piccolo said that he caused too much pain and suffering that wasn't what he was referring to, he was referring to the countless planets and millions of lives he destroyed as a planet conqueror.
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Even 1 planet's entire population would already account for possible millions/billions of lives. He doesn't need to know the exact number to establish that. And at the end of the day Kami could read minds, Piccolo fused with Kami so he now has that ability too.
I think it was Vegeta’s decision to kill the spectators at the tournament that tipped the scales back to Hell in the Buu Saga. If he hadn’t done that, and continued as he was, Yemma could have made a case for him to go to Otherworld instead.
@@ArchangelRG09 That’s the interesting part. The big difference is Vegeta by this time was in a point of transition. He was a family man, and a man who saved countless people, while also having these complex feelings about his own family and the world. Edit; we’re talking about Buu Saga Vegeta in this chain, not Future Vegeta.
Vegeta has committed so many sins that he still thinks he's damned in the moro arc, so I doubt he'd have cleaned up his act 3 years after the Frieza saga
I agree a little bit but I think Vegeta may have had his revelation early on with Goku's passing and it could've altered his heart in a certain way. I think in a way to honor Goku who he really did have respect for he was considering a family as he thought it made Goku strong like he did in the present timeline. After all a different timeline could mean things can happen later or earlier which been proven over and over again.
Yes! Present Vegeta did many more good deeds and he STILL was going to hell. Future Vegeta conquered planets, exterminated entires species, and murdered dozens of Namekains without ever doing anything to atone for those sins
@@expiredmilk1930 No, what did he do for redemption ? Why are his "good deeds" ? His first non selfish action was to sacrifice against Buu. Everything beforehand was either destroying planets and killing people and innocents between them or fight out of ego (like against the androids and Cell).
@@heroe1486 There are different philosophies on the subject, but I personally believe that your actions are FAR more important than the motivations behind those actions. For example, if I donate a million dollars to charity for a tax write-off to help my own financials, yes my motivations were entirely selfish, but that's still a million dollars that the charity wouldn't have had otherwise. That's just my opinion though, I think it's a subjective matter
I always imagine future Vegeta only got as strong as ssj Goku vs Frieza. Maybe post Yardra Goku or something in between that range. I guess what I'm saying is I always thought he made ssj, but never passed Goku
@QaamansLand to explain a little better. I think everyone got weaker without Goku. He inspired, knew of Gohan's hidden potential, and gave Vegeta at the time a reason to keep pushing post the initial Super Saiyan boost
@@jorndebello7317 remember that the vegeta that we see beating android 19 was way stronger that the future one because he knew he had to train for three years for the androids
@francescocalce6208 remember how when cell was beaten. Vegeta said he'd never fight again. I think Vegeta had that same attitude after the heart virus. He still got to ssj as a lost competition with the now past on Goku, but he never pushed past that. Only getting as strong as Goku before he died. Then just giving up on training. Probably think I'm a ssj what can come close to me
Bruh i was just thinking about this topic because I saw a vid about the future timeline Vegeta definitely went to hell, but it begs the question what about everyone else who died? Krillin, Piccolo, Tien, etc. I get Goku died from natural causes so maybe he didn’t get to keep his body but everyone else but Vegeta should’ve The future timelines bugs me because King Kai and everyone in the afterlife did nothing? Because King Kai and Yemma should’ve noticed everyone dying and turning up in Other world Gohan never once went to the lookout & heard about the Time chamber? In all those years? Gohan stayed that weak for that long? Toriyama just wanted to write a future post apocalyptic timeline without fully fleshing out the most basic story threads.
During the black arc trunks tells vegeta future bulma was going to go back in time to see him. It makes me think their relationship wasn’t just a fling but they developed a soft spot for one another.
Honestly, Future Vegeta most likely went to hell and probably still would go to hell if not for meeting Whis. Vegeta was a planet-busting thug for the Frieza Force for decades. He's no doubt killed at least hundreds of thousands of people. Fighting Cell for Trunks' sake wasn't going to move that needle. He would be in hell after blowing himself up and only came back because of a desperate play. The only reason I think he'd get into heaven now is because Whis would vouch for him.
probably. Shit, regular vegeta would probably go to hell. Don't get me wrong, helping to save the planet every once in a while is nice, but that doesn't exactly excuse all the mass genocide he committed under frieza. Like, he's never even sorry he wiped out all those planets, he only really stops acting like a psycho after frieza is dead and even then only for a rematch with goku. If nothing else had ever happened in the series and goku and vegeta had a rematch immediately after goku got back from namek and vegeta won, he would have blown up the planet and then left. The only thing keeping him from doing that now is bulma and his kids. So, he's not redeemed, he's only behaving because of selfish reasons.
@@QaamansLand I used to call that bad writing (and it was) but one of the books fixed it. vader had help after he was killed. Qui-Gon, Yoda, and Obi-Wan grabbed his spirit before it could be swallowed up by the force. So, even he technically didn't redeem himself.
I mean vegeta even acknowledges during the Moro arc that he was going to hell himself. That is how bad vegeta was when he was evil if vegeta himself is saying that.
@@BigJohn303 exactly, he was a bad guy before his 10th birthday...since i'm pretty sure it actually somewhere in the manga he was blowing up planets at 10.
When goku died in the main timeline he was genuinely sad and proceeded to have a pretty calm and good attitude in the 7 years after. He also was a pretty solid father. Trunks was already born in the future timeline and at least in the history of trunks movie vegeta was genuinely hurt by goku’s death. so it’s safe to say he lived the same life as he would have in the main timeline only a lot shorter. Depending on how he approached the android threat we may get a buu saga situation where he’s seen officially as a good guy
I would assume Future Vegeta did go to Hell because by the time he died he was nowhere near redeemed yet and without Goku he also would've lost that bit of motivation as well likely leading to an even slower redemption than main timeline Vegeta so I see no possible way he couldn't have gone to Hell.
Ain't no way Vegeta ain't going to hell after the genocide he commited in Namek, and the fact that before getting with Bulma he lived the saiyan way of life wich consisted of exterminating entire populations of people to sell their planets so commiting warcrimes is like his grind or something
I always assumed that the reason why in the future timeline no one was helping was simply because something, or events In other world went differently. That resulted in nobody being able to help. But since nobody is in contact with other world ( because of this reason ) nobody knows this… which would explain why nobody after they died helped gohan. and that same events maybe were to follow if not for trunks going back in time. vegeta being allowed to help earth only occurred because buu was a threat to the entire universe / galaxy. The andorids were causin chaos on a small planet. Buu was wiping out entire planets in instants, the androids after 13 years still hadn’t killed most of earths population. Fat buu wiped out 80% of earths population in what a couple of hours, and as a sideshow at that Since future goku died of natural causes I doubt his other world experience was the same as our timelines Goku. Since dieing, and dieing of natural causes seem to carry weight differently in db. This auora that if death happens naturally it must stay that way since it’s natural. Which is why the dragonballs namek or earth can’t revive someone whos died naturally
Interesting theory, I just think the reason no one helped was just plot holes for the sake of the plot, they coulda just ignored the future timeline and trunks as a whole and the cell arc would flow better, have piccolo train with vegeta and not trunks to fix the missing piece, but It's whatever future timeline is iconic but I really hate it the more I think about the logic behind it,
if you read the manga for the future trunk story everyone was watching future gohan final battle even piccolo was on edge in hoping gohan would win and not die while vegeta was not seen i think its clear he went to hell
@@IIIISaiThe reason no one helped is because there is no real help for them to contribute, Nobody knows where namek or the time chamber is besides goku So they weren’t gonna be able to provide any real help to Gohan
I assume Hell, because Piccolo (after absorbing Kami) told Vegeta in the Buu saga he was still going to hell. If he never even got thay far in the original timeline, idk how he would jave made it in.
The truth is simple Vegeta would have never been able to redeem himself. He would always go to hell if not for special circumstances. This man singlehandedly killed millions if not billions of living creatures.
I kinda wonder if even end of the Buu arc Vegeta would avoid hell when he dies...he did a lot of genociding in his younger days, how many good deeds does it take to cancel out destroying countless civilizations
@@Eric6761 Which quality and which quantity ? The first non selfish action he did was sacrificing against Buu. He literally didn't do anything, nor in quality nor in quantity as a redemption for blowing up thousands of planets and probably hundreds of thousands of people
@@Eric6761 That's what they believe. In the current DBS manga, Vegeta still believes he would go to hell if he died once more because he was just as every other typical saiyan in his past. He's completely ashamed of what he used to be and still thinks he deserves such. Same with Bardock and the rest of the saiyans. They still killed and obliterated millions of lives
I feel like Future Vegeta probably ended up going to other world thanks to the help of future Goku & I do think King Yema must of exposed a side of him where he did cared enough that Bulma & Trunks got away in time before the situation became dire & they would of gotten killed. In Dokkan Battle during the history of Trunks event which filled in the gap of what was happening during Future Android 17 & 18's rampage. Vegeta told Gohan he can help in a way & Gohan told Vegeta he'll make sure Bulma & Trunks are safe while he does battle with the androids. Vegeta's logic To him the androids we're considered "weak" for killing people who are weaker than them which in a way he basically fighting to defend the planet.
@@user-is8fw9pv1s Moro: Ha, this Attack is puny, Don't worry i will send you to Hell real Quick Vegeta: Há! Even if i die i Will take you alongside me to Hell!
I feel like Vegeta did go to hell. His goal was to beat Goku, and become the best fighter in the universe. Despite Goku's death, he most likely would have targeted Gohan. Also him helping the Z fighters take on the androids doesn't absolve him of his past sins. He was nuking planets and killing people since he was a little kid, so he set himself up for hell.
frieza had a bad influence on vegeta they were both pure evil until goku snaps him out of it make him become somewhat neutral but yeah he still committed those terrible sins....
@@blessedxxiii8908 It was moreso King Vegeta. The king told Vegeta that he was destined to go super saiyan, take down Frieza, and eventually lead the saiyans into universal conquest. Remember, Frieza was merely Vegeta's employer during a majority of Vegeta's younger years. I'm not excusing him, but it usually starts with the parent.
@@heroe1486Vegeta done a lot of bad than good from all the sagas. For some reason he wanted to stay the destroyer forever. When he started living on earth having a family with Bulma that shit made him feel soft and not himself like he used to be. You’re not always suppose to stay the same you have to evolve 🤷🏾♂️! He found out in Buu saga and he definitely was going backwards for another fight with Goku smh 🤦🏾♂️
Of course he did. Fighting the Androids doesn't count as a good deed. DEFEATING them does. But on top of that he had yet to redeem himself. Which doesn't really happen until the Final Explosion imo
@@QaamansLand Your videos are very informative and you tend to tackle some topics/questions that haven’t been asked or brought to light in the DB fandom.
Future Vegeta 100% went to Hell. Even current manga Vegeta in DBS thinks that he's still going to Hell and no one (let alone the more spiritually aware Namekians who were there for that) really checked him on that. His whole thing as of now is that, while he has done good, it doesn't outweigh the evil he did in the past, and he is willing to ultimately pay for that evil when his time comes. Even if you think Future Vegeta somehow came to the conclusion of being a better person after Goku died, in the Buu Saga, that didn't entirely stop him from going to Hell, either. Yes, he did kill those people in the tournament, but those were a few hundred compared to the literal billions he had likely killed in the past, he was already going to Hell regardless. Him being allowed to come back to life because he was a good person didn't mean he wasn't going to Hell. It just meant that he wasn't evil like he thought he still was.
I find it hard to believe that Vegeta would be so idiotic considering how he was extremely aware of his weakness when he was weaker. He was far more tactical on Namek. I'm seeing it in the actual story but I'm finding it hard to believe.
Vegeta was tactical on Namek because he had feared Frieza his ENTIRE life. It was deeply ingrained in him. Whereas with other threats that randomly pop up, his arrogance gets the better of him and he tackles it head on. And considering he got EVEN MORE arrogant after finally becoming a Super Saiyan, he probably tackled the androids head on without even considering failure an option. By the time he realized he was outmatched, it was too late to run
I kinda wish we could get a more tactical future timeline, where the Z fighters try to do what the future Gohan did and one by one are killed, instead of "they all tried to fight them and died within a month"
@@RazorToaster He was tactical against Frieza's underlings because they were extensions of Frieza. Getting sloppy or making mistakes around them would alert Frieza to his presence, which is why Vegeta was extra careful and ruthless on Namek. The ONE major mistake Vegeta made on Namek was underestimating Zarbon during their first fight and look where it got him: captured on Frieza's ship. He almost certainly would have been tortured and killed if he didn't get lucky and finished healing when everybody was distracted
Yeah? But I wished we had episodes where they went for help to King Kai. I think Krillin, Tien, Chaoitzu and Yamcha went to Snake Way. I doubt Piccolo and Vegeta went with them 😂! Piccolo don’t like King Kai 💯
I feel DBZ should’ve end on that note! Both Goku and Vegeta are dead after defeating Janemba. Goku gone to heaven while Vegeta goes to hell another world and there’s no more evil step afoot on earth again
I see 2 options here (1) Vegeta is in hell (2) As he was considered an "evil soul" he was purified and reincarnated, meaning Vegeta doesn't exist anymore If you don't know what I mean with (2) then you have not paid enough attention to DB and should rewatch/reread it again. But seeing as how Enma only kept Vegeta around when Majin Buu was on the loose, I can't deny (2) because in the Future (technically old) Timeline there was no universal threat around to merit such a decision.
This is pretty easy to debate bc Vegeta still went to hell after sacrificing himself vs Buu (which happened much later in the present timeline). At that point he was a much more reformed family man but hadn’t atoned for his sins. Assuming present timeline android saga vegeta and future timeline android saga vegeta are relatively the same person, it’s safe to say he went to hell in the future. His soul was probably cleansed and reincarnated by the time that Goku black came around
My first thought was that, since in the android saga he never really did anything redeemable, and all the horrible shit he did prior, he 100% went too hell.
I think I never thought about this before. He almost definitely did, though, considering how he still was on the day that he was supposed to have died, and that he was still going to hell even in the Buu saga. He would also be the only one to go to hell.
You can't use that new manga snippet as a reference for the actual manga because, in the picture, Piccolo has 5 fingers (like the anime) instead of 4 (like the manga). If that's the case, then Vegeta not being a super-saiyan might be explained as him conservting energy, being tired or having been knocked out recently; and we've already seen Vegeta being a super-saiyan on-screen.
@@QaamansLand All the reasons you listed and all the blood on his hands. Those bugs when we first see him, Planet Arleia, Even that Saibaman Tien beat, Nappa, the Namkeian village. I mentioned that Saibaman and Nappa and not the Freiza Force soldiers and Ginyu Force since they weren't his direct allies like Saibaman and Nappa were. He was evil and never stopped being evil till at least the ending of the Cell Games.
This is my issue with modern take on saiyans, they were all barbaric even the elite prince himself who is suppose to be more composed , still was phyco ,even after his death he was still the same asshole he always was, not even death changed him. Darth Vader somewhere along even before meeting Luke ,wanted to overthrow Sidius but given Sidius power hold he couldnt and was trapped in the way until he thought he had a chance. I'm not saying Vader did a 180 but after the Empire took over he saw that "the greater cause" wasnt so great after all and was kind of alone in this. As for Vegeta there was no higher purpose except himself to be the end all be all, he went to hell as far as I can tell.
Title reads, Did Future Vegeta GO TO HELL? For some reason I was thinking about Future Vegeta after GT. Yeah, Future Vegeta in Future Trunks's time line went to hell. Dude wasn't friends with anybody and wasn't trying to be good. Base on how Present Vegeta treated Present Bulma and Present Baby Trunks during the Android Saga, we can see that Future Vegeta didn't love them nor care for them. So there was no one there to change him. Remember, even after living with Present Bulma and Present Trunks for 7 years and falling for them, even becoming kind of a good guy, Present Vegeta still went to hell in the Buu Saga. Future Vegeta wasn't as good as Present Vegeta so it's safe to say he went to hell. Now to Bulma and Vegeta relationship. Base on what I see, Vegeta didn't use Bulma for his pleasure. He most likely fucked her to shut her up. Bulma is the one hitting on, flirting with, and keeps bothering Vegeta. She probably kept messing with him and annoying him to the point where he's like, "Fine, that it and leave me alone." And 9 months later, Trunks was born.
Funny how Vegeta went from being ruthless and conquering planets to getting beaten by scrap metal robots. Sometimes I think base form teenage vegeta is stronger than his SSB form. Shit writing all over the place
The only way I could see Future Vegeta not going to Hell would be due to his role in defeating Frieza as even tho it seems minor, it is still a big thing given that Frieza’s empire was the biggest threat to any innocent civilization and person in the universe at that time given its size and power. Most of the worlds occupied or threatened by the empire would be able to fight back now that the emperor is dead. Other than that, it’s likely he did go to Hell as he never went through the things Present Vegeta went through up until the buu arc. Never mind all of his crimes that we see in the Saiyan and Namek arc, there is all the war crimes and atrocities from his years of service under Frieza’s imperial regime that we don’t see.
I see Vegeta very similar to Freezer. Him having a family and caring about earth. When he was going destroy it. Odds of him caring seem very low. Even though that what happened in the show. To the point he didnt care about his own race being wiped out. Other then using it to motivative Goku to take out Freezer.
I do think the Buu Saga should outweigh his past for a few reasons. One aspect is to me Vegeta wasn't necessarily evil when you kind of look at how he grew up. Saiyans in general were raised just to be warriors and fight for the most part... and then put that under Freeza used them as foot soldiers kind of made Vegeta had to be what he needed to be to survive. Even him wanting to defeat Freeza was less on "just because" and more on he wanted to end him for everything he did to Saiyans in general. Past events shown he and the others never cared much for Freeza but did what they had to because he was way stronger than all of them. By the end of the Namek Saga I felt was when he became a good guy, but his biggest obstacle was Gokou. Gokou was pretty much the only thing stopping him from being good. Ever since that fight they had in the Saiyan Saga been eating at him. He didn't like the idea that a mere low-class Saiyan... that had no gadgets or training or anything using Freeza's tech... on what he considered a primitive planet as Earth to somehow be stronger than him. It's why Vegeta after being revived and brought back to earth he was a bit mellowed out until learning what happened to Gokou and why he couldn't be brought back to life or back to Earth. He knew Gokou was up to something and couldn't have Gokou surpass him even more. All of this went on until the Buu Saga when Vegeta kind of just gave up when he saw SSJ3 Gokou fighting Kid Buu and realized that maybe Gokou will always one-up him somehow where that obstacle is now gone from Gokou and he was Gokou more of "I have to try and learn the way he gets stronger so I can myself." as I'm sure he has noticed anytime he's left on his own he never gotten as strong as Gokou did when HE was left on his own. When he didn't have the threat of Freeza, or his influence around, and then didn't see Gokou as a threat to his Saiyan heritage/pride/royal blood/whatever, he finally could just be... Vegeta. He'll always be hot-headed (but I guess all full-breed Saiyans would be... as long as they don't hit their head on anything), but he never necessarily was a bad guy. And before mentioning, yeah the Majin Vegeta situation was evil, but that goes under the whole obstacle Gokou was. At the time, he didn't see another way to try and match Gokou so he decided to be controlled to get that boost, AND then seeing how even after all that Gokou refused to fight, he had to go to the extreme and do the damage he did during the tournament to give Gokou the push to fight him. Was it selfish and wrong? Yeah, but I felt his whole rivalry with Gokou due to the Saiyan Saga been clouding his judgment calls whenever Gokou's around. It's also why Vegeta seemed very tame when Gokou was dead after the Cell Saga but the very moment he learn Gokou would be temporarily coming back to join the tournament was what made him go back to his old rivalry-ways. Pretty much Gokou was a really bad influence on Vegeta.
@@QaamansLand Vader's situation I felt was like Vegeta's when he used his Final Explosion is on par with Vader risking his life to save Luke from Sidious. Which I felt King Yemma gave the excuse on why he saved Vegeta's body when I do believe it was more along the lines of he gained the good/hero status by that point. At the end of the day, Gokou could've had anyone help him... even Gohan. Didn't need to be Vegeta. Vader did what he had to to save the galaxy and his son, which is the same of what Vegeta did to save the earth and his son (even though in the end Buu just revived, but still...) It's one reason I wasn't a big fan of what happened to Vegeta at the end of the fight with Janemba as it was meant to be the counterpart of the Buu saga in movie form.
Vegeta was most definitely evil 😂. He had no issue destroying planets, killing innocent people and namekians , or even killing his comrades. Frieza just organized they evil for his gain
Current Vegeta should have gone to Hell too. I re-watched Namek saga.......Vegeta was genocidal. Not to mention all the civilisations he whipped out under his father King Vegeta and Frieza. Vegeta (and child Gohan) are my favourite characters, but he's a murder/serial killer.
nononono see, vegeta already died, so if he was ever going to hell, it would be right after frieza killed him. The fact that he was wished back should mean that he already went to hell and did his time, so the karmic lines from his past life should have been reset. He never killed anyone after coming back and only fought for himself and the earth before dying to androids, so that should also mean that there was nothing preventing him from going to heaven. vegeta only started killing again right after gong majin, which should be why he was supposed to go to hell after dying with buu. Vegeta would have absolutely went to heaven lmao
Yeah, very likely, even in the Buu saga after noblely sacrificing himself, he still ended up in hell and present Vegeta probly did more good than future Vegeta. Vegeta had like 3yrs after Gokus death so I figured he he would've trained to be ssj at least, or perhaps Gokus death even helped him achieve it faster or slower compared to present Vegeta. But being ssj obviously didn't help. I do wonder is a ssj Vegeta and a Kami absorbed Piccolo(likely didn't happen in future) could've won? Probably not since they would've likely been weaker and P Piccolo was only about on par with 17, if Vegeta couldn't keep 1 busy the 2 ganging up on Piccolo would've been the "nail" in the coffin
@@QaamansLand I mean when ya think about it Vegeta just a month before nearly killed a child and her best friend plus was practically bragging about the Namekains he killed and yet she still had a child with him.
Vegeta’s deed good actions doesn’t matter rather he redeemed himself or not he still by far kill so many innocent people wit cold blood in hands he still goes to hell it wouldn’t really make much sense for him to be going to heaven by this point the people he killed in the passed is permanently dead he probably wouldn’t care he rather smirk himself to hell while getting burned just by accepting his fate.
Since Star Wars plays on the theme of destiny.. I think Vader/Anakin was destined to kill the Jedi since they were not following the force. So the question is did Anakin commit a transgression or did he obey the will of the force.
Yes I would say Future Vegeta did go to hell because he really wasn’t a good guy in the point of time where he was killed by Future Android 17 and Future Android 18 and Future Vegeta didn’t go through the same changes that Present Vegeta did. It wasn’t until the Majin Buu Arc where Present Vegeta became a good guy when he sacrificed himself to put an end to Majin Buu and risking his existence to fight Kid Buu.
I had an idea for a fan-manga where Future Vegeta is sparred HELL by King Yemma in exchange for working for him and capture souls who are attempting to escape their fate.
I believe Vegeta is goin to hell no matter what. Goku, Bulma and Co. Might have forgiven him his past but you know who hasn't? The hundreds of thousands of souls that are screaming for vengence.
I think a better question might be if Future Vegeta got reincarnated as thats what happens when your soul is finally cleansed Then again the same applies to the rest of the Frieza Force that got killed
Even after Vegeta blew himself up to try and stop Fat Buu he still went to Hell. Future timeline Vegeta went to Hell without a doubt. I think the more interesting question is did Future Piccolo go to Hell? While he did sacrifice himself for Gohan and helped fight Freeza, he also tried to kill Goku, take over the world, and he blew up the island where the original World Tournaments were held. You also have to wonder if King Piccolo's crimes also count for Piccolo Jr. since he's also King Piccolo's reincarnation, not just his son.
Piccolo JR is a new person basically. He also didn’t commit any genocide. Gohan helped change him and did noble sacrifice for a child. Probably why he kept his body after he died the first time.
normal vegeta should have gone to hell. the dude wiped out billions of lives. would have done so even without freeza's influence. no amount of personality change would erase the insane amount of lives he has claimed. also popo pretty much rekilled everyone who freeze killed via their planet exploding as they all would be in the vaccum of space when they came back. really the amount of death in the DBZ universe is stupid.
If main timeline vegeta was sent to hell without his body even after sacrificing himself to save everyone I could only imagine what future Vegeta's punishment would be.
