An Argument That Trunks Has More Potential Than Gohan 

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He doesn’t, settle down.

@@arrownoir yes. He does and I can prove it several times over.

interesting claim but can you back it up with evidence@@crimsonking4151

@@crimsonking4151 Can you? Future Trunks trained for 2 years in the HTC and never surpassed Vegeta or Goku. Kid Gohan trained for 10-11 months in the HTC (because he left the Chamber early with Goku) and far surpassed Future Trunks and Vegeta.

Then explain how he died to cell?

@@QaamansLand Same reason Gohan got absorbed by Buu. Dude was caught off guard. Gohan was defeated mentally long before he was defeated physically. As for Trunks, he thought he won the war. His guard was down and if Cell knew how to suppress his energy, could have happened to anyone.

@@zenkairanger Which Trunks are you talking about?

@@QaamansLand Sorry. Lol At first I was talking about the Trunks we follow into Super, but when you mentioned how he does to Cell, it made me think you were asking about the Trunks Cell killed and took the Time Machine. If you are asking how Cell killed him in the modern timeline, hate to use it again, but he was also caught off guard. Cell was hidden in smoke and his power level was off the charts. Trunks couldn’t have dodged it even if he knew it was coming. To clarify what I originally said, I’m really more saying he needs training partners, villains or allies. If he had them, I think he’d be a monster.

Dabura was a major enemy for Trunks also. Defeating Dabura and Babidi with only the supreme Kai as backup definitely would have been no easy feat.

What you are saying isn't fully complete. He did use SSJ 2 but his SSJ 2 was on par with SSJ 3 Goku in the Zamasu arc. So this Goku is way stronger than Buu saga SSJ 3 Goku. Keep in mind this SSJ 2 Trunks fought Zamasu and Black.

@@QaamansLand Yeah, but remember how ssj3 Goku literally one punched ssj2 Trunks during their first encounter? That's one heck of a power jump going from not being able to touch ssj3 Goku, which as you pointed out is stronger than the Buu saga Goku, to fighting on par and even surpassing that at the very end. That's insane mate, totally insane. Imagine this guy getting his potential unlocked like Gohan or Piccolo did, and then training under the likes of Piccolo to get even tougher. Trunks will turn into what dbz Broly was at this point, lol.

No he just has more talent in general he got way further without Gohan

@@crimsonking4151 well yeah of course he did he doesn't have a choice, trunks would have to put more effort into getting stronger and while he did get stronger in a shorter time it's likely due to working harder and being smarter in term of training than future gohan but he doesn't have anyone else to give him any input like with grade 3's uselessness. It's ways easier to get stronger if there's someone who can help than by yourself. Plus talent doesn't equate to potential, talent is more about natural skill instead of your possible capabilities and ceiling which is what potential is. Trunks having more talent means he has skills which likely were developed through hard work. Trunks likely has more talent than gohan but his capabilites ceiling could be lower than gohans. The show has blurred both words a lot which opens up multiple interpretations of the same thing.

@@purpledragon5398 Trunks has yet to hit a wall in training and he has always been able to figure out transformations on by picking up on them then visually. He defeated the androids and Cell with SSJ grade 4 just by watching Gohan and Goku use it during the cell games. He unlocked grade 1 on his own and he picked up on grade 2 and 3 by watching Vegeta and purposely slowed down in his training to not hurt Vegeta's feelings. Vegeta even told Cell he's not quite as strong as he is ( really he means experienced) but it would be hard to tell the difference between his power and his own. Vegeta already knew Trunks unlocked SSJ grade 2 on his own and the difference in their power was marginal. Not to mention in a 3 year time span Trunks got a lot stronger than Gohan on his own without Gohan. Gohan trained for 13 years and wasn't even at the level Goku was at when he came back from yardrat. In the main timeline. Let's just call a spade a spade. GOHAN IS A JOBBER

@@crimsonking4151it’s funny cause Gohan dosent train 😂😂 and got beast which is stated to be stronger then Mui and ultra ego. Imagine if he actually trained like trunks

​@@xenonssan4542Beast isn't that strong, go ahead say "Toriyama said" because you're so predictable

I mean if we're being honest, it's only true if we're talking about future gohan, main timeline gohan us much more matured to be surpassed that easily

Potential and training growth is different

Not to mention Roshi never “contended” with top tier fighters. Jiren literally was so supressed that he allowed this to happen,meaning Jiren couldn’t have been using more than Saiyan Saga levels of strength on Roshi because if he did he would’ve killed him Jiren can clearly sense how strong Roshi is he wasn’t trying to get eliminated lol.

Getting ssj is not impressive that's same as saying pan getting ssj in womb it depends on s cells bro genetically gifted but doesn't mean it would change his potential from future trunks

I can't really see trunks having more potential

I mean getting I am going to train mindset is not always go to for becoming stronger after all, courage is also part if ki along with right mindset to influence their ki and techniques to their limits, it may look like training is ez but if thy go regular yamcha training session they might never surpass them

Bulla and Pan didn't get any time for action with their Saiyan genes. DBS will hopefully fix that...

@@Sg190th dbs actually made pan acceptable

@@youtubestudiosucks978I never said I wanted that, I simply gave an example of how they could play with their biology. If u read closely the example i gave bulla the opposite that hybrid saiyans classic trait of of being naturally more powerful but not having the fighting mindset. Ur just putting words into my mouth.

I mean from what it looks like they do train, for example trunks and goten were strong as freiza in base in yo son goku episode while later they fought evenly with cell junior in manga but I do think they both are different continuity with different story elements so I might be wrong

@@karnage2948 Except Goten also love fighting. Same with present Trunks. But ChiChi won't let Goten train. They also had no problem fighting on Port a Fue but were too weak to do anything.

Just because he has a transformation doesn’t mean he has more potential… It just means he’s stronger that’s like saying, Goku had more potential then gohan in the TOP.

@@RemoteEditz600 considering Gohan In The TOP was probably stronger then Super Saiyan Rage Future Trunks yeah he had more potential

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD like the normal one or the one with the spirit sword?

@@RemoteEditz600 it's these ame thing it's trucks for energy into his sword, but it doesn't make him more powerful

@Teddymoo2 no it doesn’t the only reason I think he has more potential is because future Gohan states it himself he even said Trunks is they’re best bet at beating the androids.

I mean yeah but if we compare trunks without guidance versus gohan without guidance, gohan still tops it up

​@@ohhellwhereami2574 Trunks surpassed Future Gohan in only 3 year's, Gohan tops nothing

@@FazeRustyNuts he surpassed a non trained state of gohan with barely any tutor on his line

@@ohhellwhereami2574 Gohan trained and was getting Zenkai for over a decade while fighting the Androids 💀 what tf are you talking about?

@@FazeRustyNuts how is it supposed to make sense , a loose will gohan without actually being stated to have zenkai multiple throughout decades Being higher than trunks without guidance of tutor

I don't see flying impressive you could literally argue same for kid broly But I do think it's good feat for ki manipulation

Pan potentially could have been the strongest saiyan ever, I mean think about it, the genes of post old kai unlock Gohan is in her, and a Videl that Gohan taught how to use her energy also, so to have the genes of the strongest saiyan plus a Videl that has energy control are some insane ingredience

No Gohan is really just a jobber who relies on Potential Unlocks and Rage boost to get by. He ain't really putting in no pain.

​@@crimsonking4151lowkey true

Gohan isn't on the grind, he ain't got that dog in him.

@@crimsonking4151 i mean getting your ass beat brutally for majority of most arcs since the beginning isn't the most uplifting thing

@@kallenlivesmatter3229 right? dude's been getting beat up since he was 4 years old

More reason why trunks i* so* of ****** & *******

I'd like to read your essay. Make a new comment and tag me. I'll pin it.

Do it, i want to know your opinion

Trunks >>> Gohan

If you think Gohan has more potential you're just wrong

@@crimsonking4151 shouldn't they have the same amount, they are both firstborn half breeds, unless they are given plot passes, their genetics should be equal, and vegeta is of royal blood of you belive that matters, his line should have a advantage, or you could argue training and motivation take precedence.

Got it from Tapion as far as training probably self-taught.

@@ImFamilyMan Future Trunks? We are talking about the same Trunks right?

In Trunks The Story -The Lone Warrior-, the sword is completely absent from his earlier years, during the time in which Gohan was alive, which means that Gohan teaching Trunks swordsmanship is out of the question. After the three year timeskip, though, Trunks is shown equipping the sword to battle the Androids when they attack West City. The Daizenshuu 7 says that the blade was tempered by future technology but never specifies its origin. The sword belonging to Tapion originally is doubtful, though, considering his sword looks completely different from Trunks's.

Trunks had a HUGE advantage in knowing about Super Saiyans his entire life whereas Gohan didn't learn about it until he was like 5 or 6. And Trunks is now older than Gohan was during the Cell Games and is STILL only a Super Saiyan 1

@@juansanchez209 yep

@@juansanchez209 wrong Goten and Trunks unlocked SSJ grade 4 without training with anyone

Gohan was 8 then turned ss2 at 9 - 7 year skip - he is 16

@@padraig-bobotia-maria5176 no he was 11

Reason?

​@@QaamansLandbecause you knew people would just read the title and argue with just that😂

@@unknownsavagery4015 Trunks is better than Gohan. The first 15 seconds is a lie

Just say geekdom and laughing stock 🥴🥴🥴

@@rabbitcorp.103 they actually prefer to be called Mike and Danny

Yea 6 years a lot has happened

@@rafndo3567 yah Gohan has Beast now

Nah goku banging chi chi while having heart attack 💀

​@@ohhellwhereami2574maybe Bang in the 3 year gap

Huh?

​@@QaamansLandI'm just thinking he's glad you're covering trunks here.

I mean that potential was only for current dormant potential once you exceed limit of it, you get normal , only kai potential unlocks help afterwards so yeah

Agreed. They clearly love to fight which pairs just fine with their fun loving nature. It doesn't matter that they don't take it seriously, they think they're doing super hero shit when they fuse. Lol. Might as well make them Saiyanman 3 & 4. 😂

In the teens in the super manga. I don't have it in front of me but it's between 16-18

@@QaamansLand thanks a ton qaaman! Much appreciated 🙏🏼 ❤️

You just explained how the Brief Family has more potential than the son Family. The son Family are always trained and blessed by God's to keep up with the Brief family laten abilities.

@@crimsonking4151 While I can see how u would come to that conclusion the narrative doesn't agree with u. In the end Goku is aside from Cell always the strongest to defeat the big bad and if Vegeta rly had more potential why would he acknowledge Goku is the number 1. Also it is nowhere ever stated that he has this much potential while someone like Gohan has it stated everywhere.

@@matthiasrauert8397 your argument is a snake eating it's own tail. You just explained how I'm right for me just to say I'm wrong, but I'll humor you. What are you going to believe what someone says or what they do? If I tell you I only have a dime but I give you a nickel are you still gonna believe I have a dime? Gohan is stated to have all this potential but he's had his potential unlocked multiple times and he has jobbed every single time. Goku and piccolo can say nice thing about him all they want but in the ring he has proven to be a jobber. The cell Jrs is the only victory he's had in his entire career. Let's also not forget Vegeta has never met King Kai he has no idea who that is. He has no clue the truth source of Goku's power. He didn't even understand the kiaoken when they first fought and never realized he was the one who held the advantage the entire time. Gohan trained and fought against the androids for 13 years and jobbed the entire time till they got bored of him. If you go by the anime continuity he failed to teach Trunks basic SSJ despite being a SSJ for 13 years and never figured out any variations of SSJ. So we saw his full potential on display and he's a jobbed. We saw his potential unlocked on namak and he jobbed. He trained with the Z sword and the elder Kai unlocked his potential again and he did what? Say it with me now He Jobbed. You are confusing Goku's hard work with his latent ability. Goku had to train with a list of martial arts masters then die go to otherworld and train with god just so he could become half as strong as Vegeta was naturally. The fruits of the son Family's labor and blessings from God allowed them to keep up with the Brief family's natural abilities. No outside influence ever honed Vegeta or Trunks natural abilities. If Goku coached Trunks instead of Gohan they'd have no diffed Cell, but of course he's gonna look out for his own son. Show don't tell. So no the narrative doesn't disagree with me at all. You're only gonna confuse yourself trying to cut corners and twist facts trying to convince me Gohan is better than Trunks when the proof is in the pudding. I know you're not happy about what I said so don't fret I'll be right here to debunk your next reply. 👍🏿 Remember, show don't tell 😘

@@crimsonking4151 Actually I'm fully in Vegetas and Trunks corner i'm just laying out what the narrative of the show is. Rly appreciate u taking the time to explain so much, so thanks for that. Also i don't know i u wanna include Super cause there Vegeta arguably recieved more training than Goku at certain times? Also I don't get ur argument why Gohan getting arogant against Buu and loosing even though he was clearly stronger says anything about his potential. And sure u can deny every statement about potential with saying people don't know what they are talking about but in the end do u think Toriama put all of these about Gohan and none about Vegeta or Trunks in just as a joke? And again pls don't get it wrong I'm not trying to win an argument here, I'm just laying out what I know to try and understand it better so thanks for helping with that.

@@matthiasrauert8397 At the end of the day it's all about show and not tell. I'm gonna Rest my cases there. AT don't really give af bout dragon ball for no more. If you hear a statement from him that's after the 90's take it with a grain of salt. Despite being the creator he don't remember shit nor does he give af that why he's got other ppl working on the manga now. He don't even remember who raditz was in an interview and thought 18 had purple hair. He doesn't remember Launch. He said krillin is the strongest human even tho his own writing contradicts that in Dragonball Tien was clearly the strongest. He also said majin Buu has always existed since the beginning of time. But in the manga it says in black and white that majin Buu is a powerful jin created by the evil wizard bibidi as a weapon to destroy the Kai's. AT says a lot of stuff man 🤷🏿‍♂️

Editing issue that I didn't notice.

@@QaamansLand oh ok, great video btw

Huh?

Thanks. What did you enjoy?

@@QaamansLand besides the intriguing topics that allows for dbz fans to look at the show beyond the surface, the consistent and straightforward delivery of your case on the topic and implementation of evidence (relevant clips/manga) is both aesthetically pleasing and nostalgic.

Wym no business he did it and your mad just say that trunks has more potential that Gohan cuz it's true.

Let's say you put them on an even playing field circumstance and motivation wise; let them go into the chamber again but this time lets put a post Cell (when Trunks was leaving) Vegeta in the time chamber with him and Goku and Gohan again then I feel there's a chance that Trunks could gain the biggest boost out of them all

What's your comment after watching

@@QaamansLand As I was watching I was thinking “dang we saying the same things basically” as you mentioned age and circumstance as well as the time chamber situation lol. You went more in depth with mentioning the different versions and etc whereas I just mentioned future Trunks and I agree with what u said. I’d also point out (although cop out) the boost Trunks got in the Goku black arc to where he was below ssj3 Goku originally but then overtime skyrocketed as a reason for why he has more natural potential if I were to make the argument. Imo I just feel like if u give them an even playing field and/or lvl of knowledge that Trunks could be stronger than Gohan, especially if his potential were to get unlocked

@@QaamansLand I’ll also say I change what I said abt them going into the time chamber again to more of saying that Trunks and Vegeta trained like how Goku and Gohan did when they went in

Gohan is a jobber

Cuz if they tried to leave the planet the androids would shoot them down duhhh

I mean toriyama forgot to gave them tails that's all, have chill

No, it doesn't seem like he cared about training. He's busy with dating a girl and just being a normal teen.

@@Sg190th GT isn't canon, I'm talking about the end of Dragonball where we see goten training with son

In the guidebooks, it’s states Goten hasn’t trained over the 10 years leading into End of Z, and explicity states he hasn’t achieved any monsterous growth because of that fact. And Goten at that point in time had no interest in training, rather going on dates and doing his own thing. The only reason Goku and Goten were training in the first place, was due to Goku wanting his son to be prepared to participate in the World Tournament.

@@gotenvision the guidebooks aren't canon, the manga is

@@YounesLayachi The Daizenshuu Guidebooks have always been canon. What you just stated now was a flat out lie. The daizenshuu guidebooks serve as information and context to provide with what happens in the anime and manga.

How do you spell Qaaman?

@QaamansLand Oh... Idk how it happens lol. I say things as I write them in my head so sometimes I accidentally spell things wrong even if I know how they suppose to be spelled. Like sometimes I accidentally put the wrong no in my writings. It's real bad with There, their and They're XD

My point was that if Trunks discovered it how would Vegeta not notice? They clearly weren't near each other.

@@QaamansLand I got that. I only meant that even if he saw it there are ways how Trunks couldn't have known not to use it anyway.

Also just wanted to list Trunks moves: Heat Dome attack Gang Sign attack Kamehameha Masenko Galik Gun Final Flash Solar Flare Spirit Bomb Just some things he has the potential to master: he might be able to do a single person Final Kamehameha since he witnessed Vegito do it Spirit Bomb, Spirit Bomb Sword, Spirit Bomb absorption besides his sword, he doesnt have a blade energy attack like destructo disk nor a piercing attack like Special Beam Cannon He also has not mastered his highest Transformation yet. he still got alot to do, and i hope they bring him back again

Great comment, but you forgot to mention Future Gohan. How do you fit him in? Explain in-depth

@@QaamansLand you mean about how he was weak in comparison to present Gohan?

Yes. Explain that because even though it's another timeline, it's still Gohan . I look forward to your deep comment.

@@QaamansLand well to be honest there's no real Dragon Ball explanation as to why. The same way we can all ask why he didn't use the time chamber or why King Kai didn't help or why Goku couldn't use King Kai to help them in that time. It's on a level of things that are forgotten like Launch. But my theory is simply this: - I think future Gohan pulled an ultimate Gohan too early. I think that after all the Z fighters died he raged out and achieved Super Saiyan right then for the first time just as Trunks did when he saw Gohan dead. But in this sense he was at his peak power (because he assumed that this was the strongest that a saiyan can get) which wasnt strong enough to beat the Androids, or maybe you can say he was stronger than the Androids but he couldn't defeat them because they had infinite stamina. (But there's also an inconsistency here because in history of trunks and in the story that Trunks tells Goku the way the Androids killed them were different. One of them say that Piccolo was killed first on the day that the Androids showed up and everyone died. In the flashback story that Trunks tells, Vegeta fights the Androids at a time later on because everything was already destroyed and he was the first to die. And then because Vegeta fought, the Androids decided to hunt down the rest of the Z fighters over time and kill them. So I don't know which one is true but if the later one is true then that would mean that. Gohan would then reach Super Saiyan at a later time period.) Also, I believe what's important here is that Vegeta dies early. So they didn't know (since Goku was not there), that they was potential to achieve a form stronger than that other Super Saiyan. -As for Zenkai boost Now Gohan trained for however young trunks was through when they last fought the Androids. He also fought the Androids plenty of times as well. But I think the thing here was that he ran/escaped by hiding from the Androids during their fights and he wasn't beaten to near point of death and the Androids let him leave. So I don't think he got zenkai boost as Goku and Vegeta did in early Dragon Ball Z because they were basically at a point they couldn't move. Thats just my theory of why he didn't get a strong enough Zenkai to cleanly overpower the Androids So now you have a peak level Gohan who trains with Trunks to get stronger. Yet his fighting experience couldn't get better because he lacked (or didn't know of) the tools Goku had to get stronger. Like you said, When Goku and Gohan were in the time chamber Goku trained with Gohan, and Gohan somewhat was stronger than Goku to where he was catching Goku off guard a lot so Goku was training with somebody he also had to overcome himself. Whereas Vegeta and trunks training, They trained separately, which is why Trunks lack the experience to understand the weakness of his form. (But Vegeta did because he was a more experienced fighter) Same with Gohan training Trunks. Its like yeah, you both are Super Saiyans but they both lacked the experience to fight in specific situations and environments. Just as Trunks grade 3 thought Cell was fast when it was actually Trunks that was slow, Gohan probably figured he had enough power to destroy the Androids but never could get the chance to get them in place to do so because 17 and 18 were just overall better fighters. (Piccolo defeating ultimate Gohan in Dragon Ball Super demonstrates this as well, yea you stronger but, you lack experience) Thats just my opinion. Just a side Theory: I think if it were Goku fighting the Androids in the future with Trunks (no additional powerup forms) he would have still won as an off guarded Warp Kamehameha should have definitely been able to finish off at least one Android before they could use a barrier to defend themselves. I also think that a Super Kaioken would've gotten him strong enough as well to defeat them

Now this was the second escape to the past not the third.

No he was able to beat Cell cuz Goku and Vegeta helped him. Get fucking real. Gohan was ready to quit and let Cell kill everyone.

@@crimsonking4151 motivation has nothing to do with power level or potential

@@YounesLayachi wtf I'm talking bout in the actual fight. Gohan is a quitter and a jobber. When Cell broke his arm he immediately gave up and was gonna let Cell kill everyone. Goku had to step in again from beyond the grave to save the day. If Goku was whispering sweet nothings into Gohan's ear he was gonna let everyone die. Even then it wasn't enough. Vegeta had to step in and blast Cell and hurt/distract him (yes Vegeta did hurt cell whether you like it or not you see his knees buckle from the blast) to give Gohan the opening he needed to finish Cell off (Now's your chance!). Gohan lost to Cell and Goku had to step in and save the day like always and sacrifice himself to make up for Gohan's jobbing. Then from beyond death Goku had to pick up the slack since Gohan can't help himself he has to job. Gohan belongs on the bench with chiaotzu. No need for him to be on the court fr. Long story short without Goku and Vegeta providing assist Gohan was gonna brick the game winning shot. All this talk of Gohan and his potential is all just a bunch of lip service he's a jobber.

​@@crimsonking4151Actually there's a whole vid debunking that one

@@zowopsama6736 debunking what?

Agreed 👍

But Gohan is the opposite?

I don't see how your comment connects to the video

Nope he has way more

Gohan is a jobber

I mean, if narrative directly say it's obviously that guy which is gohan