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Did I Get Cloned???

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As more and more guitar pedals are hitting the market, we're seeing a rise in "clone" pedals. Whether you're scrolling through Reverb or visiting your local guitar shop, you would be hard pressed to find a completely original guitar pedal, especially in the analog overdrive realm.
Recently, I stumbled upon a clone pedal that looked familiar: the NUX Steel Singer, an overdrive pedal that appears to be imitating the Vertex Steel String Clean Drive. Today, I'm doing an A/B comparison of my Steel String pedal and the NUX Steel Singer, seeing how the clone stacks up against the original.
What do you think of the Vertex Steel String vs. the NUX Steel Singer? Do they sound different?
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@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

What do you think? Does the Nux Steel Singer sound the same as the Vertex Steel String? What’s your verdict on cloning? Tell us in the comments below!

@thereallbking 3 года назад

Can the V1 Steel string take 18v?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@thereallbking yes

@isaacramirez3729 3 года назад

As a bass player, I like the Steel String. For guitar time though, I like the Steel Singer

@ukaszukasz7059 3 года назад

Nic sounds like crap, they copy strymon's look of effects box ,now they want to clone everything - centaur etc

@HaShemMetal 3 года назад

Talk about how the vertex has less top end and more girth when your “apples to apples” comparison has you playing the nux using the bridge pickup but the vertex on the neck pickup on the stones style riff? C’mon...

@cmurduh1 Год назад

Didn’t you “clone” a wah wah pedal?

@USSLIBERTYREMEMBERER 11 месяцев назад

he literally just repainted bbe wahs

@GregWilky1 8 месяцев назад

came to the comments JUST for this @@USSLIBERTYREMEMBERER

@marcbos8636 7 месяцев назад

Wasn’t this the guy that restamped a bbe wah to a vertex wah and sold it for 200 bucks more?

@JanDayman 6 месяцев назад

Yeah the exact

@KasperViggoJensen 5 месяцев назад

Lol yes.

@twenty3electronics Год назад

They DID NOT clone you. They cloned a Free The Tone pedal and used Dumble’s trade dress, just like your pedal is a clone of someone else with Dumble’s trade dress. Has been done many times, so you weren’t even original there. Keep trying to be decent person, maybe some day you will get there.

@TylerDurden9LB 3 года назад

I really want to like Mason, but he tends to make it very difficult from time to time.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for the feedback Del. I thought it was a fairly charitable overview of the pedal and that we really have no claim here, but I always want to improve. Thanks for watching!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@Andrew D I don't think you've watch the video if you think this was a take down or indictment of Nux. The thesis of the video is "are the two pedals the same?" The video looks at that, and at no time says the Nux pedal is bad or doesn't sound good. The opposite in fact.

@arkplate9536 7 месяцев назад

My problem with this video is that his playing style on the first 2 pedals has much more finesse and soul. He plays harder, louder, faster, and harsher on the nux. Also, he used the neck pickup on the first 2, and the bridge pickup on the clone.... The gain should have also been balanced much more. The best way to do these kinds of tests is using a looper that removes playing differences. This isnt a fair comparison

@rocknrollmouseuk 6 месяцев назад

Ha-ha I hadn't spotted that, I just thought I liked the sound of the NUX better ... but then I perfer the sound of a strat brige to neck, so that all makes sense - thank you

@billiramone 5 месяцев назад

Dude, just rebrand'em and sell'em at a 100% markup like you used to do.

@KliffDudgzick 3 года назад

The short answer is NO, NuX did not clone Vertex. The NuX Steel Stringer sounds different from the Vertex Steel String because it's based on an entirely different circuit. The NuX is a clone of a Free The Tone String Slinger circuit. The Vertex Steel String is based on a Jack Orman boost circuit. The Vertex and NuX look similar on the outside but have completely different circuits inside. Apples vs Oranges.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Nowhere in the video is that disputed. We say we don't know what it is, we conclude it's just not the same as pedal, the Steel String. It's clear that no matter what it is (Free the Tone or otherwise), the Nux pedal was hoping to draw comparisons between our device and attract a similar customer that may not be willing to spend $200. I appreciate that fact, as say so in the video - a $200 won't be for everyone. I do think however that a customer looking at the two pedals would assume a sonic relationship based on the name, the controls being the same names, and the name itself being a few letters off and stating "Clean Drive" on the pedal. There's nothing on the pedal that would tell you that it had any relationship to Free the Tone, nor was that advertised until after this video released for anything that I could find. Seeing these two pedals side by side would be like seeing a box of Cornflakes and generic box of Cornflakes on a grocery isle. Let's call the generic box "Cornfakes". The customer is going to presume from the look and the name that these two cereals are essentially the same product. Just as when Nux styles a pedal this way, of all the possible ways to invoke the Dumble look, with all of the similarities to our Steel String pedal, I think the customer will presume they're the same product and not just some other Dumble pedal. Secondly, muFET follower (or mu follower) is a circuit topology (totem pole configuration) not a device. The first published circuits using JFETs was an application note by National Semiconductor in the early 1970s, but had previously been used in transistor circuits in the 1960's. It is a variation of vacuum tube configurations like SRPP from 1940's, and later variations like SEPP and many other variations. Anyone claiming the Steel String circuit is the same as Orman’s is sadly mistaken, let alone totally wrong since Orman did not invent a new circuit but used established circuits as we all do in electronics design. Where our Steel String circuit topology resembles Orman’s is the order of u-follower gain stage to gain control to u-follower gain stage to tone circuit to volume, but that is where it ends. The key differences to Orman’s are the gain stages have higher static current, different biasing values and capacitor values. The tone control has different values so different turn over points (affects different frequencies). So from a topology standpoint, one can make a case for a similarity with the Orman circuit, but from an electronic standpoint, all the values are COMPLETELY different and as a result would sound VERY different and does if you were to compare them.

@aptfx 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc Its still click bait - with the headline and the cover photo what will stick with people is: They cloned you. The fact that you quickly realize this not being true is just clear when looking in the video. To me - not yet a customer of you... this doesn't rub well... I think I would think twice in buying.

@pensatorseven1898 2 года назад

100%

@JC-11111 2 года назад

@@aptfx especially after what happened with Mason cloning other peoples pedals and having that deal blow up on him when people realized he was cloning pedals, not changing anything, and slapping his name on it like 10 years ago or whenever it was. And that, may not be exactly what, happened. I'm recalling from memory so I could Be wrong on details. The overall gist was he was cloning well-known pedals and not Changing anything at all, IIRC. Then slapping his name on the pedal and selling it commercially when all he did was build someone else's pedal and rename. It. It'd be like me building a 1:1 replica of a Fuzz Face, throwing it in a std enclosure, calling it the Fuzz Factory, and selling it is my own design. That's not how it works. Funny tbing is that, people want to bring up JHS and talk about how much they don't like Josh because of this or that, yet they'll give Mason a pass on doing the crap he did. Yea, I get that he's worked to turn that, around. But he still did it and many have seem to forgotten that fact or are purposely disregarding that fact.

@griffinmpable 2 года назад

@@JC-11111 dude wasn't even cloning. He was straight up rebranding an existing pedal. He was taking full credit for something that he not only didn't create himself, but he didn't have the balls to do the right thing and pay to be using it under his brand. Yeah you can find duplicate clones with different brand names but at least you still know what is going on there. With clones there's generally no smoke and mirrors. Vertex is a straight up thief.

@emidiojorge 3 года назад

Since the steel string is a clone of Jack Orman AMZ-FX Boost 2.5. II think this is pretty fair.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

We have no claim to the muFET, we state that in the video at 15:48. However, the Vertex Steel String is no more a clone of a Jack Orman Booster is no more than it could be of 20 other pedals. Even a lazy analysis of the two pedals would tell you that. The Orman unit has ONE control - volume. The Steel String has FOUR controls - volume, gain, filter, rock/jazz. The muFET design that our Steel String is based on, it is nothing new or proprietary and we've never claimed any different. It was used by guys like Craig Anderton clear back in the early 1970's (maybe even late 60's). We voiced our Steel String pedal in accordance with the circuit archetype that most closely resembled the Dumble SSS when doing in person comparisons between the Dumble amp and our pedal through a Fender Hot Rod DeVille as our reference, and tweaked from there. The muFET circuit nailed the tone and feel, and that's what we went with for the design of the Steel String series of pedals. Our circuit isn't the same as Craig Anderton's muFET designs, nor is it of Orman's (who came after Anderton), but certainly has many things in common to the same degree as any other analog overdrive or boost in the marketplace. Our use of muFETs is about as common as what you'd see in pedal derivatives from the App Notes section from National Semiconductors (the genesis for many pedals we know and love today).

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@jjschulz3472 no we asked the question "Did We Get Cloned?" The answer through the video is, no - the look almost the same, but sound quite different.

@stefanbukcev2249 3 года назад

Dude, I've got a nyle and I enjoy it. But maybe the guy notorious for passing off other peoples designs as his own should just let sleeping dogs lay when it comes to certain topics. You know you are just gonna get hate and push back. My two cents anyways.

@TimO-wt9sz 3 года назад

It's easy bud people get what they can afford its just the way it is .we all know the people would download everything as for my self I like to have the cd case and the art work .but I still try and see if wall mart has it lol

@noahbarnowl1470 3 года назад

The schadenfreude is giving me life

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Some might find it to be a positive...I suppose it is. Imitation is the highest form of flattery, as they say.

@biggsounds8330 3 года назад

Yup, made me laugh seeing the video title 😂

@glennbundesen3439 3 года назад

I wonder if Howard Dumble has any sympathy for your loss

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

As I say clearly here, we have no claim to the look, that's all from Dumble and it's fair game for Nux.

@genebrandt8424 3 года назад

Howard is free to make a pedal version of his amplifiers should he ever choose. Other than that, people should be pleased to have companies including Vertex that are helping those achieve near dumble sound that can't afford the ridiculous price of a dumble amplifier.

@hunterleemusic8632 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc fwiw I really appreciated your transparency here. Pretty ballsy to post a video like this and it really speaks to your confidence in the quality of your product. I’ll be honest and say that I’ll probably be picking up the nux (reluctantly) but only because I’m poor. Lol. But it’s content like this that’ll make me buy the SSS when I can afford it. I’ve really been enjoying all of your videos. Thank you!

@martinthibodeaux4628 3 года назад

But... isn't the Steel String just a clone of the Jack Orman Booster 2.5??? I'm confused!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

No more than it could be of 20 other pedals. Even a pretty lazy overview of the two pedals would tell you that. The Orman unit has one control - volume. The Steel String has 4 controls - volume, gain, filter, rock/jazz. The muFET design that our Steel String is based on, it is nothing new or proprietary and we've never claimed any different. It was used by guys like Craig Anderton clear back in the early 1970's (maybe even late 60's). We voiced our Steel String pedal in accordance with the circuit archetype that most closely resembled the Dumble SSS when doing in person comparisons between the Dumble amp and our pedal through a Fender Hot Rod DeVille as our reference, and tweaked from there. The muFET circuit nailed the tone and feel, and that's what we went with for the design. Our circuit isn't the same as Craig Anderton's muFET designs, nor is it of Orman's (who came after Anderton) but certainly has many things in common to the same degree as any other analog overdrive or boost in the marketplace. Our use of muFETs is about as common as what you'd see in pedal derivatives of the App Notes section from National Semiconductors (the genesis for many pedals we know and love today).

@davibelo 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc it was good to explain that

@marktlog Год назад

No, you didn't get cloned. A million pedals are in a similar sized enclosure with three knobs. The only reason the pedals look similar, is that you are both copying the Dumble colour, knobs and font. Vertex made theirs look like that to get some reflected glory from the Dumble. That's what Nux are doing too, not to get any reflected glory from Vertex

@chefmcd7788 Год назад

The guy that simply rebranded wahs and marketed them as something special complaining about getting cloned is hilarious to me. You make some nice pedals, anything in the future I buy from your company will be used.

@geoffpengelly5970 Год назад

Thank you so much for this comparison, I now know I have to get the NUX steel singer, lovely pedal

@tonechaser101 3 года назад

BBE Ben Wah. Ring the bell? 🙃

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Mananda - What happened with the Axis Wah (a re-branding of a BBE Wah) and the cloning of the Vertex Steel String as the Nux Steel Singer are fundamentally different and incomparable. With the Axis Wah, I was purchasing the wah directly from BBE with their full knowledge, in my company name, and they were getting paid the same as if they sold it to any other dealer in their network. You can see that plainly on this invoice example from 2013 where my name and my company name are all clearly spelled out here: drive.google.com/file/d/1p2eoqWOaNO4otufq2Ux35luhYLakIpTb. By contrast, with the Nux, there is no re-branding. I don’t get paid by Nux when they sell a Steel Singer pedal. They’re cloning, at least aesthetically, the look of our Steel String. As I state in the video, that’s their right. I have no claim to the look, I have no claim to inventing the use of muFET circuits. What Nux is doing is all fair game as said in the video. The point of the video is “I Got Cloned!” Well...kinda. We got cloned, but the clone really isn’t a clone. It doesn’t sound like our pedal, but looks a lot like our pedal. The Nux Steel Singer does sound good as I said - just not particularly Dumbley to my ears, and more like a Tweed type break up. More gain, more treble, more compressed than the Vertex Steel String. Both sound good in their own right, they just don’t have any sonic overlap where I see them as being in the same ballpark.

@LaurenceHendersonBand 3 года назад

@vertex effects what is actually the point in this video? They’re clearly different circuits designed for different things?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

The thesis is, "they look the same, but do they actually sound the same?" We then go through the look, the sound, the build, and evaluate the similarities and differences.

@tomrochester7381 9 месяцев назад

I’ll buy and use Vertex but I’ll take my ethics lectures elsewhere tbh.

@michaelcraig9449 2 года назад

Sure do not want to see a clone of this guy walking around.

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

Huh?

@davibelo 3 года назад

18:27 but you used steel string name and knobs of a dumble amp in a product that is so much less than that.. (in your words.. copy the ascetics but not deliver the sonic elements of the original). I like your pedal, but I think the problem is the hypocrisy. OBS: Nux clone is a free of tone string slinger.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Correct, we have no claim to the look and we say that at 2:18. The thesis stated in the video is "they look the same, but do they sound the same?" The conclusion we reach is "no". I don't get into speculating what it might be, just that it looks like our pedal but doesn't deliver in replicating the sound, e.g. "does not deliver on the sonic elements of the original". If it's an FTT pedal, that would explain why it's not the same sound. However, it seems like the look was certainly intended to appeal to those looking for a low price version of our Steel String pedal, as our pedal is the only pedal doing a clean Dumble SSS amp in a pedal format that looks like this on the market that I'm aware of.

@oopavio 2 года назад

Do yo know if Nux has clone a BBE wah?

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

Couldn't say...I suppose check their website.

@j.vaughan7539 3 года назад

Like you cloned a Maxon SD-9 and just re-cased it and called it Dynamic Distortion? Lol! Oh the irony!!!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

We've never said that it wasn't based on the SD-9, there are plenty of interviews where this is said if you did just a little research on this.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@jjschulz3472 I think we said it as recently as our Sweetwater video a few weeks ago - you can see it yourself.

@TheScottWhyte 3 года назад

Dynamic distortion and sd-9 sound totally different.... I use both love and in studio..... try em both out and you’ll hear differences

@benskurbe 3 года назад

1. You didnt get cloned, so theres no sonic quality for Nux to “not be delivering on.” They didnt sound the same because they are not the same design. You didnt compare the schematics but if you did the conclusion would have been a bit shorter. 2. You have no claim to the aesthetic, and you admit as much, so if Nux is riding on someones coattails, its Dumbles, not yours, in which case you are riding on those coattails right along with them. 3. I am no electronics wiz, but you admit the muFET-based circuit is not your own, so whos coattails are they exactly riding on as far as the circuit? Look i get theres a bit more to either circuit than this aspect of the design, but it is clearly the crux of the circuit, otherwise you and everyone else who does know circuitry wouldnt be mentioning it so intently. Clearly if there is a coattail being riden in regards to circuitry, it is not yours, and would be as silly as saying someone was riding the coattails of whoever invented the op amp, because their circuit included an op amp. So theres no coattail riding in the circuit. Theyre different, and where theyre similar, you have no claim to the originality of the design.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

I appreciate you perspective and feedback. A few notes: 1) That is said in the video - it's not the same. The point was to investigate since the look of the pedals, and names are almost identical, and many of our viewers had been asking about this for a few months 2) We have no claim, correct. However, nobody has put out a Steel String pedal except us and Rockett pedals that I'm aware of, certainly, the look of the Nux pedal is using a market tested look in the choice of aesthetics of their pedal clone or not - but again, I have no claim to that. If you're being intellectually honest about it, I don't think there's any question they hoped to appeal to a similar customer as a Steel String customer. 3) The circuit style that is used for the Steel String is widely available and known for 30+ years. This is true of 95% of analog overdrives in one way or another. I don't think the customer is being engaged by talk of the circuit, but rather what it does, how's it's marketed and how it looks. Most customers are not circuit literate to the point where talking about FETs, versus OPA, versus transistor to get closest to the Dumble sound is going to be the best qualification of the product.

@brandonthompson8413 Год назад

"This pedal looks similar to my ripoff a preexisting product but I am too lazy to check and see if they are actually ripping off my design. I am going to accuse them of stealing my design anyways because it looks similar to the original as does mine."

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

Huh?

@stevensteve550 Год назад

@@VertexEffectsInc I think he was pretending to be you... mockingly

@nathansnyderart 3 года назад

Wait...hasn’t it been proven that the Steel String and the Ultraphonix are clones of someone else’s circuit from an online forum? Or if you are claiming the pedal origin, they are just clones of Dumble preamps with JFETs instead of tubes and maybe a few tweaks? Don’t get me wrong I know the pedal industry does this kind of stuff a lot and it’s hard to find a circuit design that is truly unique without basing it off something else first. But I stopped the video pretty early on when you started talking about quality components, seeing as the whole BBE Ben Wah controversy wasn’t really all that great for your company or credentials. It takes a lot of balls to make a video like this considering, you’re kind of a NUX like company with a higher price tag.

@ChadWork1 3 года назад

It take a lot of balls to comment on a video you didn't watch.

@cliverkay 3 года назад

Typical Mason !! Nobody tests the pedals with the pots in the same place . All pots are not the same , and adjusting the filter control would probably get them quite close.. But even better the Nux has a decent set of sized controls which make it better. I have a Nux Horseman and it is really a good pedal .

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Nathan, the video spells out any claims of originality to the product in question. If you watched it you'll easily see that. Regarding the BBE product, it's a dissimilar comparison. I bought the Wah pedals from them in my company name with their knowledge, and while I would agree that from the customer POV the fall out was awful and was handled terribly by me - all that were involved were refunded in full, exchanges, or credited with whatever form of restitution they requested clear back in 2014.

@nathansnyderart 3 года назад

Vertex Effects I get what you’re saying and I did rewatch the video up until half way through the playing. Honestly before this video I was kinda liking your videos again and figured you’d moved in a good direction away from all that, but something about the way you talk about being cloned, just doesn’t sit right with me. I’m not excusing NUX by any means here. They are like a lot of cheap foreign made pedals on the market and blatantly steal designs and circuits. But what some of us find in the pedal community is that some more “boutique” companies do the same and take credit for things they didn’t do. It’s just hard for me to sit here and see you make a video like this, knowing the past. And I do recognize you made it right with the Ben Wah, but it’s not something that just goes away.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@nathansnyderart the point of the video was really, is the Nux really a clone, and does it sound the same. I tried to remain as objective as I could about it, maybe we missed the mark in your view to this end. I do have a past with the BBE Wah, but that wasn't a clone and is fundamentally different than what is happening here with Nux, although I understand the temptation to collapse the two events. I'll wear my past like a tattoo, but it doesn't change the fact that the Steel String was cloned, at least aesthetically, if not circuit-wise. This video unpacks that. Irrespective of my past, I have as much a right as anyone to comment on a pedal, especially one of my own.

@TheMikerath 3 года назад

would the same electronics in a different casing be a clone? lol the balls of this video

@kdrake777 3 года назад

You beat me to it. For the uninformed, Google Axis wah Mason Marangella. The irony of this video is not lost.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

What happened with the Axis Wah (a re-branding of a BBE Wah) and the cloning of the Vertex Steel String as the Nux Steel Singer are fundamentally different and incomparable. With the Axis Wah, I was purchasing the wah directly from BBE with their full knowledge, in my company name, and they were getting paid the same as if they sold it to any other dealer in their network. You can see that plainly on this invoice example from 2013 where my name and my company name are all clearly spelled out here: drive.google.com/file/d/1p2eoqWOaNO4otufq2Ux35luhYLakIpTb. By contrast, with the Nux, there is no re-branding. I don’t get paid by Nux when they sell a Steel Singer pedal. They’re cloning, at least aesthetically, the look of our Steel String. As I state in the video, that’s their right. I have no claim to the look, I have no claim to inventing the use of muFET circuits. What Nux is doing is all fair game as said in the video. The point of the video is “I Got Cloned!” Well...kinda. We got cloned, but the clone really isn’t a clone. It doesn’t sound like our pedal, but looks a lot like our pedal. The Nux Steel Singer does sound good as I said - just not particularly Dumbley to my ears, and more like a Tweed type break up. More gain, more treble, more compressed than the Vertex Steel String. Both sound good in their own right, they just don’t have any sonic overlap where I see them as being in the same ballpark.

@kdrake777 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc If everything was cool, then why did you have to issue an apology? Also, your Steele Stringer looks to be an awful lot like the Way Huge Overrated Special. Is that a better comparison?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@kdrake777 I was accountable to the customers that purchased the Axis Wah, not BBE. The impropriety is in how I resold the BBE product as a Vertex product, not my business relationship with BBE. As I said in the video, we have no claim to the look, we're all copying Dumble, and even if it were my look, Steel String was at market before the Way Huge Overrated Special.

@TheMikerath 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc I support the fact that you made a mistake, own up to it, and are moving/have moved forward. I own an ultraphonix and occasionally watch your videos (so not a troll). But as you say, "[you] have no claim to inventing the use of muFET circuits", and this video has an air of "hey f**k these guys for doing something similar to me and not paying me" to it . That kind of attitude is detrimental to pedal culture, since clones have led to some great pedals (i.e. the start of the video). I also think that given your past, that attitude is just hypocritical. I watched this video, and it gave me the same cringey feelings of OJs' "if I did it". I made my comment not to dig up the past, but instead to starkly point out that this video poorly walks the razor thin edge of you addressing the role of clones in the pedal world. As other commenters point out, since the SS is basically a clone of a Jack Orman Booster 2.5, it would have been better to see the three (JO, SS, and Nux) together, because it makes the video more honest. You made a whole video about clones, and didn't address where your own circuits come from! Thats just not cool. Myself and most players see your pedals as great sounding clones/clone-adaptations, and ignoring/not addressing that makes me angry - so of course I got angry and did a low punch. You did a whole video about a pedal failing because it "wasn't in [your] lane", I don't this video was in your lane.

@elmerfudd1047 Год назад

Mason, your pedal is basically a clone of a Jack Orman Boost. Oh, the irony…….

@howardpoulin23 11 месяцев назад

Wonder what would of happened if the NUX gain was turned down and not left at noon.

@kobeyobe680 3 года назад

Hi, I’ve been having some issues with my newly bought SSS pedal. Can it only be used through a power supply? Im running it directly to my tube amp and it isn’t working. I opened it and it had no battery supply. Help?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

No battery clip available, only 9VDC power adapter is possible or a power supply. IF you need some power supply recommendations we're happy to help.

@KyleKalevra 4 месяца назад

Isn’t your pedal a clone?

@dylanlee4776 3 года назад

Lol I like your pedals. But like come on man. Out of all the brands to make a video like this out there you’re obviously last who should based on your past, idk why that didn’t occur to you. Only thing I can imagine is either you knew you would be getting this sort of feedback here, or maybe you kinda feel like negative attention is better than none. I’m sure you get tired of defending yourself at this point. Enjoying my SSS though so idk.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

I hear ya Dylan, the thing for us was to create some distinctions between the pedals and that although they look the same, they're not. I think the video proves that and might have done better if we'd used less provocative language in the titling or the thumbnail to start, and maybe lost the first opening line or made it something more in-line with the actual analysis of the video which was much more balanced of the two pedals. I'd like to say that my judgement is 100% on point when we make videos and predicting, roughly, how they'll be received. However, I am human, and sometimes will strike out whether I have baggage from the past or not that might color the reception of the video. In any case, I appreciate your feedback and appreciate your support and patronage. Hope you continue to enjoy your SSS pedal!

@pdenton 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc Dude, that was maybe the coolest possible response to that argument. Good on you, sir.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@pdenton thanks for watching Chuck.

@dylanlee4776 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc I hear you. Again I’m not gonna be another snarky internet bafoon who accuses you of this and that- however just questioning this content I suppose. It is appreciable or at least commendable how you or your team always have some sort of response for the negative Nancy’s, I’m sure it gets tiring.

@ChristianBundgaard 3 года назад

So you are saying that both pedals are clones of the Jack Orman AMZ-FX Boost 2.5! ;)

@tomtrinder5468 3 года назад

So it would appear if the freestompbox schematic is correct.. A few minor component tweaks to up the gain, as suggested anyway by Jack way back 20 years ago and a standard BMT replacing the single tone control. Ain't nothing new under the sun these days

@trevormccue9585 3 года назад

Lol beat me to it.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

The Vertex Steel String is no more a clone of a Jack Orman Booster is no more than it could be of 20 other pedals. Even a lazy analysis of the two pedals would tell you that. The Orman unit has ONE control - volume. The Steel String has FOUR controls - volume, gain, filter, rock/jazz. The muFET design that our Steel String is based on, it is nothing new or proprietary and we've never claimed any different. It was used by guys like Craig Anderton clear back in the early 1970's (maybe even late 60's). We voiced our Steel String pedal in accordance with the circuit archetype that most closely resembled the Dumble SSS when doing in person comparisons between the Dumble amp and our pedal through a Fender Hot Rod DeVille as our reference, and tweaked from there. The muFET circuit nailed the tone and feel, and that's what we went with for the design of the Steel String series of pedals. Our circuit isn't the same as Craig Anderton's muFET designs, nor is it of Orman's (who came after Anderton), but certainly has many things in common to the same degree as any other analog overdrive or boost in the marketplace. Our use of muFETs is about as common as what you'd see in pedal derivatives from the App Notes section from National Semiconductors (the genesis for many pedals we know and love today).

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@SirMonteCarlo I didn't know that...however we're just asking if the Nux pedal is the same as our pedal - that's the thesis of this video.

@ChristianBundgaard 3 года назад

@@SirMonteCarlo Cool! Free The Tone makes amazing pedals! I just watched John Nathan Cordy's video. As he said in the video: "If you are gonna accuse someone of cloning your pedal, probably check the schematic first, that probably matters."

@swmorgan515 2 года назад

Would have liked to have heard some different settings than 12:00 on the NUX to see if it could approximate better. Also, did you have the Vertex pedals on 18V in the demo vs. the 9V on the NUX?

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

All we were doing was validating that they're in much different places with similar settings...not even close in this example and not something chalked up to tolerances. I don't think the NUX can do 18V.

@o-meg-a6043 Год назад

Clone? BBE Ben Wah? Anybody?

@twenty3electronics Год назад

Now he’ll buy the NUX pedals wholesale, rebrand them as Vertex and sell them for 5 times the price. I heard he even rebranded cheap Chinese cables as “boutique?” The NUX is a clone of Free The Tone, not Vertex, and he already knows that. And the Vertex itself is a clone.

@thisgoestoeleven 3 года назад

didn't y'all just slap some vertex logos on a BBE wah not that long ago?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

About seven years ago, and resolved that by 2014 with all involved. What happened with the Axis Wah (a re-branding of a BBE Wah) and the cloning of the Vertex Steel String as the Nux Steel Singer are fundamentally different and incomparable. With the Axis Wah, I was purchasing the wah directly from BBE with their full knowledge, in my company name, and they were getting paid the same as if they sold it to any other dealer in their network. You can see that plainly on this invoice example from 2013 where my name and my company name are all clearly spelled out here: drive.google.com/file/d/1p2eoqWOaNO4otufq2Ux35luhYLakIpTb. By contrast, with the Nux, there is no re-branding. I don’t get paid by Nux when they sell a Steel Singer pedal. They’re cloning, at least aesthetically, the look of our Steel String. As I state in the video, that’s their right. I have no claim to the look, I have no claim to inventing the use of muFET circuits. What Nux is doing is all fair game as said in the video. The point of the video is “I Got Cloned!” Well...kinda. We got cloned, but the clone really isn’t a clone. It doesn’t sound like our pedal, but looks a lot like our pedal. The Nux Steel Singer does sound good as I said - just not particularly Dumbley to my ears, and more like a Tweed type break up. More gain, more treble, more compressed than the Vertex Steel String. Both sound good in their own right, they just don’t have any sonic overlap where I see them as being in the same ballpark.

@thisgoestoeleven 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc Yeah man I get it, there are some differences between this situation and yours with the BBE wahs, but considering how much blowback you got on that this seems like a weird thing to bring up unsolicitedly. You do you I guess, but this was an odd choice IMHO ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@thisgoestoeleven should I let my past dictate my future? I've owned my mistakes, paid for them, and resolved them with those that were impacted. Some can overlook that, some can't. The analysis in this video is as objective as I can make it and the content is based around facts and not conjecture. Our audience asked for this, and as the guy on the other side of this pedal, am I not allowed a voice in the discussion?

@genebrandt8424 3 года назад

@@VjekoslavMaxLuburicZDS What comments do you think are being deleted? Read the many comments posted attacking him here. Seems if he was deleting comments these would not be posted.

@thisgoestoeleven 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc You're allowed to do whatever you want, I just pointed out that it seemed like an odd choice to make.

@winstonsmith8236 3 года назад

This is the second tone-testing video of yours that I find possibly disingenuous. The first was about loop switchers where you had a Klone buffer in one scenario without mentioning. Now you’re a/bing without touching knobs and trying to get the Nux to sound closer.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

The purpose of this video was to see if the pedals are the same circuit. If all the pedals are at noon and one has 3-4x the gain of the other two, clearly it's not the same and can't be chalked up to tolerances. I'm sure there be some demos comparing the two in the future which might help you have a better sense of the range fo the two. I'm a terrible demo guy, and it's not my place to give you a quality A/B of what each is capable of, and again, I'm just qualifying that the two pedals are NOT the same and have some clear differences if the spec sheet alone isn't enough to tell you that there are already some differences as outlined in the video.

@winstonsmith8236 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc thanx for responding. I see what you're getting at, maybe I'm projecting what I thought would be most "revealing" testament to the NUX as a clone which would be if they could be dialed in to sound the same rather than tolerance/values/a more objective technical comparison. Aesthetically-its obviously ripping your design/take on the Dumble aesthetic but I've heard sound wise they were aiming for the Free The Tone String Slinger. who knows. I have a suspicion that as silly as it may be, calling yourself the Rig Doctor (obviously tongue in cheek) might subject you to being held to a higher, maybe impossible, standard for all things tone compared to a demo/tone lesson from some stoned metalhead in their basement. Either way, it's all taken too seriously. I hope i get to try your V1 some day. Always sounds great in demos. I enjoy your videos as a whole, so thanx for the effort and ambition to share the knowledge.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@winstonsmith8236 thanks for watching and for the feedback!

@jared8324 Год назад

When designing the steel string pedal, can you answer if you essentially cloned the amps circuit and substitute tubes for jfets, changing adjusting values along the way? Basically is the vertex steel string pedal a clone of the amp, just looking at the gain staging of the pedal etc ? Thanks! I’m assuming it would be virtually impossible/counter intuitive to get the same sound by just starting from scratch without copying the preamp gain staging and architecture ideas of the dumble amp as a basis for the pedal design

@ChrsGuit Год назад

It's a Jack Orman boost with mods other builders did. Aion FX has a clone diy pcb of the SS called the Delta and explains everything in their write up

@Clockeman 2 года назад

Clutching at pearls...at least they actually MADE the effect and didn't just re-brand someone else's.

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

To the degree that your comment is true has to do with a product that is unrelated to this video and was furthermore resolved almost a decade ago. I can understand the temptation to graft on the Axis Wah here, which several have attempted to do in the comments section as a consequence of their prejudice toward me or Vertex and perhaps any mention of "cloning" to be in bad taste. To the degree it's possible, at least financially, anyone that ever owned that product was provided the restitution they desired whether it be a full refund, exchange for another product, or a credit if they decided to keep the wah and get back the difference of what they paid versus the cost of a wah from Barcus Berry. Furthermore, although I can't fully restore any emotion damage done to those that purchase this product - feeling betrayed, lied to, and deceived - all which are true and legitimate, were issue a full apologies separately from any public "coming clean" statements that were made. Short of that, I'm not sure how this could have been resolved any better - all customers were restored financially on their terms, apologized to, and we've moved forward to create product with full transparency and customers have the ability to choose to buy our products or not based on what they know about my past and Vertex's. Your comment isn't actually looking at the pedal that's the subject of the video, we did manufacture this product (Steel String Clean Drive MKII), and by all accounts this NOT a re-branded product. This is something you can easily see if you open the pedal up or look at a photo of the PCB (which are widely available online). I think if you're objectively looking at what's presented in this video, it's not a "take-down" of NUX or their product in any way. I think many have jumped to conclusions prior to evaluating the claims in the video and the nature of what it's actually about and inferred the most uncharitable intent of the video based on their prejudices.

@donnyquiz3486 3 года назад

Wait isn’t this the company that was literally selling clone/re-cased pedals???? Lmao

@slimstickman 3 года назад

They just partnered with Amazon to do the prime pedals.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Donny, that was us. You may or may not be aware, but every customer and dealership that ever owned an Axis Wah was provided a full refund, rebate, or exchange according to their desired restitution back in 2014. In fact, we still leave the door open to any owner of the product that was previously unaware of refund options and keep a public record of all Axis Wah refunds on our website for anyone to view since 2014: www.vertexeffects.com/axis-wah. The Axis Wah is not representative of our company values and the products we make. We've worked tirelessly to make a new impression and continue to maintain a high standard of quality and customer service with transparency around each product and its origins. All we can do is release the best sounding products possible and give our customers the best possible quality and support in hopes that with time we'll earn back their trust.

@Quipstiley 3 года назад

Didn’t Joe Bonamassa make an official statement detailing how you overcharged him for a product he didn’t ask for and used him as an endorsee without his permission?

@Quipstiley 3 года назад

Found it. "Joe Bonamassa wrote: Hey Guys, I'm sorry to be chiming in so late but I must warn all you fellow gear nerds to stay away from Vertex effects and pedalboard services. Mason is not truthful nor is his work good or in most cases his own. He had me on his site without permission as a user and happy customer. I am/was neither happy nor do I use any of his products. My pedalboard sounded awful, took tons of gain away, and added a huge ground hum. It also cost $1400 and that was after I pitched a fit when the $2000 bill came to my tour manager all the while seeing unauthorized You Tube videos of my " new rig" a rig I never tried nor signed off on. Fortunately Dave Friedman at Rack Systems came in and saved the day for $400. All I wanted and asked for was to have some cables cut to size. I didn't want to waste Dave's time so I gave it to Mason. BIG MISTAKE.... I am very disturbed by his actions and have heard recently that he has been called out on some Wah Wah pedal stuff. Bad News Bear that cat is unfortunately. So... In closing... Just trying to keep my fellow guitar nerds from getting ripped off like I was. Caveat Emptor Joe Bonamassa."

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@Quipstiley With respect to Joe - he commissioned me to build him a pedalboard after seeing the rigs he built for Josh Smith and Kirk Fletcher on New Year’s Day 2014. The issue, as I understand it, began with a discrepancy around the billing after the rig was completed and delivered to Joe. Regrettably, I did not have a discussion of costs with Joe prior to us delivering the rig which could have prevented this. After the pedalboard was delivered to Joe with an invoice, the billing was above Joe’s expectations, and created upset as a result (we charged the same rate for Joe as we charged any other customer at the time including Josh Smith and Kirk Fletcher who were my intro to Joe). A few days later, this invoiced figure was negotiated down to a rate that was amicable to Joe based on his expectations. Approximately six months later, the Axis Wah controversy came to a head in September 2014, at which point Joe had come forward on his website forum about his experience with me building his pedalboard. Joe explained that the rig didn’t sound right, that he had issues with noise, and the rig had to be taken to another rig builder to remedy the issue. He also continued that the cost above market rate for the work, and cautioned against anyone considering Vertex products or services. I was as embarrassed as anyone to read Joe’s statement. The last thing any rig builder would want is to upset or send a faulty product to the most influential guitar superstar in the world. Although I have no doubts of the sincerity of Joe’s statement, what would I have to gain by sending him something that wasn’t up to par? I will be the first to admit, as I’d imagine is the same with any rig builder, that no matter how good you are, no builder will bat 1,000% on every rig. However, we all have testing procedures in place to catch every possible issue prior to shipping a rig to a customer. At the time Joe’s rig was going through a Marshall Jubilee as his main amp, and we used the closest amp we had to test with for sound and fidelity (Marshall JCM2000), and communicated with Joe were we noticed things out of the norm, for example, his Boss DD-5 was noisier in the effects loop than the DD-3. Nevertheless, what Joe received was not to his expectations. As rig builders, that is our responsibility to each and every customer to deliver a bulletproof rig that functions perfectly. However, our ability to be able to take corrective action for a customer (Joe or otherwise) and resolve an issue is only possible when the customer communicates with us about a problem - and, over the six months that Joe had the rig in his possession, we didn’t hear anything from him regarding the rig not meeting expectations. The only problem communicated to us was at the point Joe received the pedalboard, where he communicated that our rates were higher than his expectations. I wish it had gone down differently and had a chance to remedy this for Joe over the course of the six months he had the rig prior to making his public address. Understandably, the timing of this, plus feeling overcharged from our initial work together, compounded by what was going on with the Axis Wah, certainly wasn’t a recipe to bring Joe back to the table. It was a business dealing that didn’t go to plan, that I wish we could change. These issues are more common than we might think in our industry, but ordinarily would have remained between the client and service provider, or hopefully resolved between the two parties. However, with the Wah controversy looming, and Joe’s past experience, I’m sure he felt the need to warn others of his experience, and caution his followers of fellow gear-heads and guitarists.

@rockguitarlessonsforoldguy9040 Год назад

Great video! Thanks for the open comparison. Love your stuff!

@Cboy623 3 года назад

Hey Mason and Vertex team! I’m attempting to buy the SSS as a Christmas gift and see that it’s on pre order... is this a mistake? If not, when do you think they’ll be shipping? -Thanks!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

We'll have more on the 28th. Sweetwater will have them first, I would suggest pre-ordering there as they'll be the first in line.

@m0j0b0ne Год назад

"All knobs at noon" isn't really a fair comparison. As we've seen from many other drive shootouts, components can vary, tolerances can diverge. Handbuilt boutique pedals aside, you can take any two consecutive pedals fresh off the production line at MXR and they won't exactly match, even given the same circuit and components. Vintage fuzz circuits in particular are prone to wild variations (particularly when using NOS parts) and must be hand-tuned by an operator with ears and experience enough to ensure that the intended goal is met. Rigorous blind A/B testing might be more 'scientific', but it's virtually impossible to level-match, due to the factors noted above, so what can we do? I'd suggest getting the best, most ideal tone possible from Pedal A and seeing if we can match that with Pedal B. That seems fair enough, and it's what Josh Scott would do.

@downforkeeps 3 года назад

I think it's more helpful when pedal demos try to dial in the same tones. Of course they sound different with the knobs at noon. If you wanted to really compare what tones you can dial in you would turn knobs. Fair to show the Nux has more OD, but you can still turn the gain down to compare.

@xdoctorblindx 3 года назад

^This

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

My intent here was to set them all at noon and that if they were the same (outside of the spec sheet being quite different) were we even in the ballpark. Fundamentally, they were different. If it's 3-4x the gain at noon, it's not going to get into the vibe of the Steel String which is really more of a low gain overdrive or high gain boost at best, even at max gain. I'm sure there will be more knob-turning demos to come from other RU-vidrs.

@benjaminsantiagosstuff 3 года назад

How much of a difference is there (electronically/tonally) with bigger traces?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Negligible in most circuits.

@skybeak9514 Год назад

A clone of a clone? 👀 Both are clones of the SSS…

@stratsouldier 3 года назад

The sweet sweet irony. This guy re-houses a pedal and then has the nerve to bitch about someone cloning his pedal.

@samerbata 3 года назад

Have you been on the Vertex website? They are actually refunding people for that and the transparency of the process is on there.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Chris Rankin, not the same thing. We never "cloned" anyone. We bought pedals and re-branded them and changed some thing in the circuit an sold them at a mark up. We've always been transparent about our past, our responsibility in that and refunded customers to that end all the way back in 2014. Also, this video isn't really upset at Nux, it actually I think will help them and give some contexts to the two pedals. If you looked at the thumbnail only, you missed the real point here.

@bayougtr 3 года назад

You *should* look at the schematic.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

I'm were looking at whether they're the same pedal, and we're already different on the spec sheets and the sounds with the knobs approximately in the same place, are they really the same pedal? Sure, we could buzz it all out, and create a schematic, but does a customer really care what's in R1 and C10 if the two pedals are totally dissimilar? I think the schematic would help differentiate them more, but for a simpler, less invasive test, I think what we demonstrated is enough to qualify the thesis of "are the two pedals the same?"

@jepsmusicjp 3 года назад

Hello Rig Doctor, thank you for this comparison. Would you be able to compare the Joyo Taichi and your pedal? It also has 2.2M Ohms apparently.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Not sure, never seen that pedal.

@alexanderjroteyza446 Год назад

Hi is MK1 still available? I want to get 1 and needs to ship here in the philippines, I’m having a hard time finding it here :(

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

Check Reverb or eBay???

@alexanderjroteyza446 Год назад

@@VertexEffectsInc got one just now on reverb 🍻 Excited to get my hands on it lol

@Falloutnation1234 2 года назад

Came here to research the vertex and IMMEDIATELY fell in love with and bought the Nux.

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

Enjoy!

@11CRAT 3 года назад

Over my 18+ years of playing guitar and examining/comparing pedal circuitry, I came to the conclusion long ago that almost every pedal is a clone to most degrees.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Especially in the analog overdrive domain

@123ClassicRock 3 года назад

Hey mason, does the SSS accept 18v like the steel string mk2? I just picked up a supreme and am adding it to my board shortly

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

No, doesn’t need it on the SSS

@123ClassicRock 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc thanks!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@123ClassicRock Sure thing!

@AlexanderWS92 3 года назад

I've found with Nux pedals their headroom and frequency range isn't great. However, they do make some nice delays and modulation effects that are totally usable. Could this pedal be based on the Way Huge Overrated Overdrive? To me it sounds nothing like the Vertex Steel String, it's more in the land of a Screamer through a Dumble.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

I think this pedal is good in fact...just not really Dumbley. It could be, but I think that based on the name and the "clean drive" it's likely our pedal...I'm open to being wrong on that.

@SlyHikari03 Год назад

They actually cloned “free the tone” and not you.

@gearoftones8585 2 года назад

I hope you're not going to talk about the morals of copying pedals 👀

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

All is explained in the video

@bmicona 3 года назад

What Strymon pedal is the Nux Solid Studio a copy of?

@AmbroseLiu 3 года назад

None. As far as I know there's no other pedal like it. They use a layout that's similar to the one Strymon uses.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Invoking the layout and look, more in the Reverb/Delay category. The more "direct" copies are the Wampler Tumnus, MI Audio Crunch Box, Marvel Drive, etc.

@stefanfyhn4668 5 месяцев назад

No you didn't. It was a clone of the Free The Tone String Slinger. Anything for clicks, huh bro 😂😂

@diego.matias 3 года назад

I agree that they are copying your stetic. In terms of sound, though, they might not be copying you, but the dumble. Maybe the test should have been done with the goal: Which one gets closer to the amp sound?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!. Without access to the amp, it would be difficult to make that comparison. What I can say is that we had the real amp when we voiced the pedal, and I think there are about a dozen of the SSS in the world, so not likely that this was their comparison amp, but I could be wrong.

@the92project 2 года назад

Weird video. I always think of vertex as cloning some other thing, mostly dumbles .

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

Seems like you prejudice took you away from the premise of the video.

@thehowardtam 3 года назад

@Vertex Effects Just a wild thought, is it possible that the NUX is just a higher gain version of your good pedal and the similar tone could be achieved by dialling down the gain knob🤔 anyway thx for the video, it’s a nice one

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

It appears to be a different circuit and sound.

@gregorglasbruch6917 3 года назад

Even comparing two identical pedals may require some - in this case minor - adjustments to make them sound the same. So to do this comparison of two different pedals with fixed pot adjustments - all in middle positions - is maybe not the real deal. The answer whether the Nux can do what the Vertex can do could probably only be answered by tweaking the pots. This also applies to the other way round: can the Vertex do what the Nux can do? By the way: I did not hesitate buying the Vertex, which I use for quite some time now.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

My intent here was to set them all at noon and that if they were the same (outside of the spec sheet being quite different) were we even in the ballpark. Fundamentally, they were different. If it's 3-4x the gain at noon, it's not going to get into the vibe of the Steel String which is really more of a low gain overdrive or high gain boost at best, even at max gain. That can't be chalked up to tolerance. The gain structure, feel, and EQ were fundamentally different. I'm sure there will be more knob-turning demos to come from other RU-vidrs. Thanks for your support!

@airframer165 3 года назад

The irony is killing me over here as I look at my BBE wah....pot, meet kettle.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Wouldn't Nux have to be buying the Steel String from me for that to be a parallel? As the video states, I don't think that Nux did anything of impropriety necessarily.

@MatheusColla 3 года назад

C'mon man you just proved that the Nux pedal is not a clone of your pedal. They are just both Dumble inspired pedals, both in sound and looks. Stop being such a paranoid snowflake

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for watching and the feedback!

@joshelmore9089 3 года назад

I mean if you look at Nuxs line of pedals you can see they are making clones of multiple different brands. He’s not being a “paranoid snowflake” and was just making an informative video about it. You can make a dumble inspired pedal that doesn’t look exactly like other dumble inspired pedals. It’s pretty obvious Nux is cloning off multiple pedal brands out there.

@MatheusColla 3 года назад

@@joshelmore9089 Yeah, Nux make copy of many pedals, that's how they started and that's how they conduct their business. But in this case they are not copying his pedal, and he proves it in the video itself, one is an overdrive and the other a clean boost, both intended to resembles a Dumble sound, that's why he refuses to talk about the circuit, because they are not clones. The only similarity of the pedals are the color, the knobs and the lettering, and all of these comes from the Dumble amp design. Complaining that someone cloned you pedal because of it is like saying that every Marshall in a Box that's uses black and gold knobs and the Marshall font are clones of each other

@joshelmore9089 3 года назад

Matheus Colla ok cool dude

@RedCarRecords 3 года назад

Waiting on my Steel String Supreme to arrive from Sweetwater! Kinda went out on a limb with that one, but if my intuition is correct, it will retain its position on my pedalboard for a long time to come. Thanks for your work; Cheers!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Good choice! Should be there any day!!!

@danielg.w5733 2 года назад

does the original work well as a buffer?

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

No, neither is a great spec for a buffer pedal.

@tommygarza8043 Год назад

Did you get cloned,come on. They did the exact same thing you did but affordable. THE SAME THING YOU DID.

@nickg2431 8 месяцев назад

Use your ears before opening your large hole to eat food with 😅Nowhere does mason “complain “ that they stole his design” in fact he is fair and balanced. He says the clone is a good sounding pedal ( average at best from 35 years experience IMHO”) he shows you the difference and you make your choice .The inherent character of the Nux is very very different…..

@WilDBeestMF 5 месяцев назад

@@nickg2431That's because the NU-X is a very different pedal, and Mason is full of it.

@WilDBeestMF 5 месяцев назад

@@richietownsend6737Oh, he does. There's no denying that this dude repainted BBE wahs, put his sticker on them and charged more than double for them.

@limpindug 3 года назад

Na you didn't get cloned bud. It's no a clone under the trades description act in the uk. Respect. Stay Healthy all.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

If you watch the video we come to the same conclusion, we didn't get cloned, the two devices sound fundamentally different.

@limpindug 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc did watch it bud and gave my opinion as requested, Speaking as a clueless noodler unfortunately we mostly don't have the opportunity to try these things side by side before we buy. To watch demos of pedals on utube is unreliable, unless guys like yourself take the time to produce the educational video you did, us noodlers are shooting in the dark. So thanks for taking the time. Regards willie.

@AmbroseLiu 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc what do you mean in the beginning of the video then when you said "I got cloned"?

@LeighFugeGuitar 3 года назад

Great comparison. I actually shot a demo on my channel of the NUX which has been very popular. It doesn’t sound exactly like your pedal, but I do think in the lower gain settings you can probably dial them into the same ball park. The NUX definitely has more gain, which obviously your pedal doesn’t (which isn’t the intention of your pedal). I think the NUX is that Dumble vibe with a TS style drive infront. Personally I felt the NUX shone more, in my opinion, in the lower gain settings. I think as a low gain overdrive, or general “adding colour” pedal it works great. I haven’t personally tried your one, but it’s interesting to hear them side by side. I’d love to shoot them out sometime.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for the comment and perspective!

@realdmc Год назад

I just ran into this same thing with a pedal I just purchased that happened to be cloned (in both name, housing likeness/graphics, and style). Brought this up to the owner of the company I purchased from (who happens to be overseas). Pedal PCB is likely where the individual(s) doing the cloning (in the states) got his cloned board from but, as he told me, they would’ve had to guess many of the component values so it’d be an inferior product anyway. That being said, although you manned up and tried to make things right, I do find this humorous given the past issues with Vertex. I enjoy your videos and hearing most of the stuff you release but there really aren’t any assurances that what we purchase, from any company, isn’t a clone of something else in a different box or having a different sticker.

@hegartyj1 3 года назад

Um. Surely your own pedal is a copy (clone?) of another design? So Nux are actually cloning Jack Orman’s design if they are cloning anything. I’m sorry, but Vertex claiming that anyone is cloning them is the greatest irony I’ve ever seen on RU-vid,

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for watching John! MuFET follower (or mu follower) is a circuit topology (totem pole configuration) not a device. The first published circuits using JFETs was an application note by National Semiconductor in the early 1970s, but had previously been used in transistor circuits in the 1960's. It is a variation of vacuum tube configurations like SRPP from 1940's, and later variations like SEPP and many other variations. Anyone claiming the Steel String circuit is the same as Orman’s is sadly mistaken, let alone totally wrong since Orman did not invent a new circuit but used established circuits as we all do in electronics design. Where our Steel String circuit topology resembles Orman’s is the order of u-follower gain stage to gain control to u-follower gain stage to tone circuit to volume, but that is where it ends. The key differences to Orman’s are the gain stages have higher static current, different biasing values and capacitor values. The tone control has different values so different turn over points (affects different frequencies). So from a topology standpoint, one can make a case for a similarity with the Orman circuit, but from an electronic standpoint, all the values are COMPLETELY different and as a result would sound VERY different and does if you were to compare them.

@hegartyj1 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc hi. My point is that you have a horrible history of claiming designs as your own, when they are anything but original. So the whole premise of this video “did I get cloned” is hugely ironic.

@GhostFace8 3 года назад

Exactly

@rogeriosugui5791 3 года назад

You're being too polite. Ridiculous express better the situation.

@genebrandt8424 3 года назад

Did Jack Orman admit he cloned another design even though it may not be a pedal, it was "cloned" from others - shouldn't he admit he cloned the circuit? Seems that is only fair.

@teeveee841 3 года назад

why did you change the Thumbnail that said “I got cloned”? A guy did a response to your video exposing the title snd thumbnail you had before.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

It was obvious that people felt misled by the title and thumbnail, and that was never our intention. So we changed it to be more representative of the video in response to our viewers.

@teeveee841 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc I respect the response 🔥👌🏽 I might just have to buy the SSS

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@teeveee841 if we miss the mark on something we try to correct it. Thanks for watching and the feedback!

@EverydayMusician 3 года назад

I have never had the pleasure of trying anything from your guys, but I have enjoyed following your channel and I appreciate how open you are about everything you talk about. I'm in a weird transition right now because I moved from the US to Finland four years ago. I didn't bring much of my gear over with me and just ended up buying an acoustic-electric and electric guitar. I have a few pedals, but most of my stuff is still in Maryland. I'm planning to bring my stuff over, but at the same time, I'm designing a new pedalboard and trying to decide what I actually need. Everything else will have to go. This is just how I have to approach this now that I live in a smaller home and have a baby. A human baby. So, my guitar babies have to take a backseat. I hate adulting, haha.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for watching and I hope you get your stuff back to Finland soon!

@benny89sandoval 2 года назад

Why didnt you play that riff at 12:00 with the bridge pickup like you did with the nux pedal? That might be the difference in the top end you're talking about

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

I think it flips to that position temporarily and all pedals are continued to be demonstrated in the new position, it's been some time since I watch the video, however I think there was a large gap between the pedals which was actually whitewashed a bit when uploaded to RU-vid. The pedals are completely different.

@blacktoothfox677 2 года назад

"The pedals are completely different" . Should be the title of the video then. Cloned... Hilarious. But that you were that important or sonically interesting. Legends get cloned. Wannabes get passed over.

@jayl5941 3 года назад

I guess going for the any press is good press here (since you're getting torched)? I only made it about 3:30 before getting bored anyway so I don't know the punchline. Either way I'm guessing both products are based on something else...is that the gist?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

They're different circuits at the end of the day but look the same.

@aqqaluksrensen5799 3 года назад

It's not a Vertex Steel String clone, it's more Free the Tone Steel Slinger style?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for watching! Nowhere in the video is that disputed. We say we don't know what it is, we conclude it's just not the same as pedal, the Steel String. It's clear that no matter what it is (Free the Tone or otherwise), the Nux pedal was hoping to draw comparisons between our device and attract a similar customer that may not be willing to spend $200. I appreciate that fact, as say so in the video - a $200 won't be for everyone. I do think however that a customer looking at the two pedals would assume a sonic relationship based on the name, the controls being the same names, and the name itself being a few letters off and stating "Clean Drive" on the pedal. There's nothing on the pedal that would tell you that it had any relationship to Free the Tone, nor was that advertised until after this video released for anything that I could find. Seeing these two pedals side by side would be like seeing a box of Cornflakes and generic box of Cornflakes on a grocery isle. Let's call the generic box "Cornfakes". The customer is going to presume from the look and the name that these two cereals are essentially the same product. Just as when Nux styles a pedal this way, of all the possible ways to invoke the Dumble look, with all of the similarities to our Steel String pedal, I think the customer will presume they're the same product and not just some other Dumble pedal.

@jeffreyduavis6185 3 года назад

Very informative demo. Thanks man

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Glad it was helpful!

@Axman66 Год назад

+++ Thank you so much for this really good explanation of "how to see " those kind of pedals+++ i am such a big fan of your videos and i am thinking of getting a SSS pedal from Vertex, thats the real stuff. We love you for spendig so much efford and love in pedalboard- building+++

@Michael-pm1tq 3 года назад

If you are trying to claim that another company cloned your pedal, isn't the schematic the most important thing to look at? Am I missing something here...?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Watch the video and we unpack why we don't do this beyond just looking at the overall specs.

@Escapism7133 3 года назад

Would've been nice to see some variations of the gain and tone knobs on the pedals. The Nux might've gotten closer in tone with the volume boosted and the gain & tone backed down. This might mean the pedal doesn't have as much sweep/range as the Vertex pedals of course but would've been interesting to hear if it could even get closer. Tone aside, the Vertex is obviously the more pro option and will take more of a beating day in day out (and sounds better imo).

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

The point of the video is "are the actually the same." I'm sure there will be knob turning demos from other RU-vidrs in the future between the two. If we're in two different zones with all knobs at noon, I don't think it's just a tolerance thing.

@Escapism7133 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc Fair point.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@Escapism7133 Thanks for watching!

@noakwesterberg 3 года назад

I agree with you 100 %. I built my own clone of the steel string based on a kit from fuzz dog UK. I would imagine that my clone also has significant differencies compared to your design, have not had the chance to compare. It is important to be aware of this though!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for watching and for your perspective!

@seangerolimatos1269 3 года назад

This is a really informative piece on the subject of “clones” in general and how it applies to this situation specifically. Well done 👍🏻

@seangerolimatos1269 3 года назад

PS. Your take on their product and it’s implications is bang on in my opinion

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@m34rocks29 3 года назад

Looks like an interesting video. I've seen a few vids of the NUX pedal in question. It's Subtly different to the Vertex SS for sure. There's more gain on tap on the NUX from what I've seen which sort of defeats the object of it sounding like a SSS which was just massive and clean with very little gain much like the Vertex SS. There are some examples of attaining the same sounds from the NUX as the Vertex though. Interested to see how Vertex plays this one in their vid

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Looking forward to your review of the video.

@m34rocks29 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc Judt as I suspected haha. The NUX didn’t sound bad, just different. Completely different midrange, didn’t have that rounded low-mid fatness associated with a Dumble that the SS MK1 and MK2 have. It would have nice to see you try and match the gain of the NUX with the SS. Just to see how close you could get. I really hope you no longer take any notice of the Ahole comments you still get on here or on TGP for that matter. People make mistakes, we makeour apologies, turn a corner and move on and I genuinely believe you have. Proud to have an Ultraphonix on my board as my main overdrive unit. Keep up the good work Mason!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@m34rocks29 Thanks for your comment and perspective!

@qtip4145 3 года назад

The Nux actually sounds better to me. Thanks for the comparison, you just saved me $150!

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Bam, there you go! Saved you $150! Enjoy my friend!

@Moto_737 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc bro

@IvanGonzalez-uq9kt 3 года назад

Hahahahaha no way jose for 50$ over drive you can find a much higher manufacturing pedal like a boss SD1 or even Beringher over drive man regardless for sound you are actually liking get something better man.

@maxx2070 3 года назад

He literally made the pedal, support the original creator, don’t be like that.

@justinnielsen9390 3 года назад

The Nux sounds cheap, you get what you pay for but why waste money.

@JohnRockBilodeau 2 года назад

Is it just me or is this not a fair comparisson because the nux had all the knobs set at noon, but the vertex MKII didn't. The MKII only had the level at like 1/4, so it would obviously have less drive.

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

They were both lined up at 12 noon as I recall.

@TeleCustom72 3 года назад

With the same settings, they don't sound the same. A better comparison might have been to dial in your pedal, then try to match it with the Nux (regardless of how the dials ended up). I didn't find the Nux very pleasing fwiw. It might just be a TS circuit with a new paint job??? (sounded that way). Yours sounded a totally different beast. Do you have a video of your pedal with humbuckers in a more blues-rock setting?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

My intent here was to set them all at noon and that if they were the same (outside of the spec sheet being quite different) were we even in the ballpark. Fundamentally, they were different. If it's 3-4x the gain at noon, it's not going to get into the vibe of the Steel String which is really more of a low gain overdrive or high gain boost at best, even at max gain. That's not something that can be chalked up to tolerances. There's a fundamental gain structure difference, EQ, and feel between the two units. I'm sure there will be more knob-turning demos to come from other RU-vidrs.

@colinaclark 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc I feel like you just can’t do that. The same pedal model will vary from unit to unit. Honestly I thought there was a massive difference between the two vertex pedals. I thought the original sounded amazing and the mkii sounded a bit thin. I’m sure it’s capable of the same tones with a little tweaking. And I’m sure the nux pedal can get closer with the gain turned down a bit. You kind of said it in the beginning of the video... as a guitarist I don’t care about tolerances, I care about the tones I can get.

@albertplaysguitar 3 года назад

I think it comes down to the character of the pedal. I agree the original and the mkii sounded different, but the Nux was like, whoa!!! Far from a clean drive...

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

@@colinaclark it's hard for me to ID "feel" in a demo, but I can tell you that if were just demonstrating that they're not the same pedal, what I did I think is the cleanest way to get there. There will surely be knob turning demos coming RU-vid from others.

@augustusbetucius2931 2 года назад

Seems likea variation of what Mason has pulled on others has been pulled on him. His pedal is just two Mu amps and a Big Muff Pi tone control. The Mu amps harken back to R.G Keen if memory serves, so it's neither his idea, nor a new idea. You build something, and make big claims about it, or put a high price tag on it, and it will be cloned. If it weren't for other people's ideas and cloning neither JHS nor Nick Greer would have anything to offer. so forget about it and move on. Bill Finnegan had it worse. His Klon was actually a new idea, and as close as you can get to an original circuit, and he's been cloned a thousand ways to Sunday. By doing this video Mason just draws more attention to the Nux product. Any press is good press. Just move on and let it be.

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

I think you're making an argument that I don't make, nor does the videos make. I make no claim for this to be a circuit that I invented, my only claim is that this pedal most closely resembles a Dumble Steel String Singer through a clean amp based on my process of voicing the pedal against a real Dumble SSS amp. It could have just as easily any number of other common circuit archetypes, it just so happened that this combination was best. This style of Mu Amp circuit actually predates R.G. Keen by decades and is in the National Semi Conductors Application Notes decades before R.G. was on the scene. However, many guys, including R.G. Keen, Anderton, and Jack Orman have all done different pedals using these and have even provided DIY schematics and suggestions on how builders might use such components for various application in guitar pedals. However, this pedal, despite using Mu Amps doesn't resemble their values at all...pretty much any interpretation of the Mu Amp circuits I've seen for any of the above builders have a different value for pretty much every part of the circuit, nor do they all have tone controls or a gain control, or further EQ's via toggle. For all intents and purposes, our pedal is voiced differently, and if you were to do a DIY kit from any of the builders above, you'd have a different sounding pedal all together. Moreover, the video doesn't seek to dethrone the NUX pedal...it asks the question, "Are They The Same?" I feel that the video is quite charitable to the pedal and finds that they're not the same, yet the NUX sounds quite good and this is acknowledged in the video.

@eduardoritos Год назад

@@VertexEffectsInc Exactly; Nux is predating the image and look of Vertex pedal. Investing on a new product branding is expensive; copying the way the pedal look is like saying "buy ours not Vertex's, because is the same thing, at a portion of the price". Make the pedal, put red on it and name it "my great od pedal", and sell it from scratch.

@carlpeters3815 3 года назад

I watched this video and promptly bought a NUX Steel Singer :)

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Enjoy! 👍👍👍

@carlpeters3815 3 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc it's so cheap it piqued my curiousity. It's a well spent $50 if you can't afford the better unit. Not sure if you were feeding this 9V or 18V for your comparison, but you prob already know the 18V makes a massive difference in this pedal. Way more headroom

@kylebowers6093 2 года назад

What about when you just re-house something and call it your own, is that cloning?

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

No, that's re-housing or re-branding and unrelated to the topic of this video.

@kylebowers6093 2 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc It is a relevant comment on any video you post. People need to know what you are about. I'll give it to you though, it took some balls to make this video knowing all the shady shit you have in your past.

@VertexEffectsInc 2 года назад

@@kylebowers6093 I've been forthcoming about anything that I'm accountable for and accepted full responsibility for my actions as it relates to my past. Commenting from the pretense that I've done otherwise is also being dishonest of the reality that I owned my mistakes and made good on providing full restitution to all those that were impacted by my behavior and decisions from almost a decade ago. Grafting that to a video that's asking if two pedals are the same, while at no time diminishing the rival product is divorced from rebranding or re-labeling a product. I make no suggestion of that or accusation of that. I simply ask - are these pedals the same? It turns out, they are not as we explain in the video. Needing to have a preamble before any video to explain my personal shortcomings in my past as a jumping off point to any public address seems akin to a dictatorial regime or a "Scarlet Letter '' of some kind. Do you require the same of your smartphone/computer makers that have induced working conditions in the name of productivity - as Apple has - that have resulted in employee's committing suicide? Do you require the same of your bankers or mortgage lenders that knowingly issued you, your neighbors, and/or family subprime unsecured mortgages that resulted in good standing families getting evicted from their homes and losing their life savings as Wells Fargo, Chase, BofA and others did? Do you require the same of you sneaker makers that turned a blind eye to child labor practices in Vietnam, Philippines, Sri Lanka, and most of Southeast Asia - as Nike and did - in order to reduce their costs? What about your elected officials? There are innumerable examples of bad morals and dishonesty all around us. Much of which goes unnoticed and some of which feels too beyond our control to address as individuals the institutions are so large our dissenting voice would be a drop in the bucket. I think accountability is good, I think sunlight is a good disinfectant - but also it can be hard to pull off that scent once your inertia is already propelling you in that direction and can cause us to be lazy in our characterization of the way things are. I made an awful choice a decade ago that put bad decisions in motion that compounded more bad decisions - I wish I could take that back, but I can't. I fixed that and cleaned it up with every person that ever bought the product within a year of my shortcomings becoming public knowledge and still leave the door open to this day to anyone just learning of what happened that hadn't received their due restitution. If that makes me the worst person you know and deserving of your worst ongoing scrutiny - count yourself as lucky.

@kylebowers6093 2 года назад

@@VertexEffectsInc The NUX pedal is not a clone of your pedal, it is a clone of a Free the Tone pedal. And "your" pedal is itself a clone of a Jack Orman AMZ FX Boost. You are just a very dishonest person. I don't care about the refunds you gave, true amends is not repeating the behavior and the Axis Wah is only the tip of the iceberg of shady things in your past. A quick Google search is all that is needed to uncover many many other examples of your dishonesty. TGP is full of examples, but don't take it from me, here is what Joe Bonamassa had to say about Vertex effects..."Hey Guys, I'm sorry to be chiming in so late but I must warn all you fellow gear nerds to stay away from Vertex effects and pedalboard services. Mason is not truthful nor is his work good or in most cases his own. He had me on his site without permission as a user and happy customer. I am/was neither happy nor do I use any of his products. My pedalboard sounded awful, took tons of gain away, and added a huge ground hum. It also cost $1400 and that was after I pitched a fit when the $2000 bill came to my tour manager all the while seeing unauthorized You Tube videos of my " new rig" a rig I never tried nor signed off on. Fortunately Dave Friedman at Rack Systems came in and saved the day for $400. All I wanted and asked for was to have some cables cut to size. I didn't want to waste Dave's time so I gave it to Mason. BIG MISTAKE.... I am very disturbed by his actions and have heard recently that he has been called out on some Wah Wah pedal stuff. Bad News Bear that cat is unfortunately. So... In closing... Just trying to keep my fellow guitar nerds from getting ripped off like I was. Caveat Emptor Joe Bonamassa."

@MariosFilos 3 года назад

Hi Mason. Would love to see a comparison between the Steel String Singer and Cornerstone Gladio (as they are both quality boutique pedals and can compare better to a cheap alternative). Cheers and always glad to see your work man.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

They’re not based on the same thing - the Cornerstone is based on a Dumble ODS type sound, not steel string singer.

@diegolikesandiego2141 Год назад

Pick up selection… not in the same Positions for comparisons? 12:13

@josbrown5380 3 года назад

i'm sure if you tweak the knobs just a little maybe you can achieve same tone in each pedal, no body in the world ever uses a pedal just everything at noon.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

It’s possible that we could get close, but the pedals are very different sonically, and we wanted to show that by setting everything to noon

@BuddyBlues 3 года назад

I have every steel string Vertex has released, none of them have "this type" of gain. Even if you dime them. That's not the purpose of the pedal. The Nux at noon sounding like an Mt-2 like we about to djent

@sbetancourt04 3 года назад

Idk, playing and pick up position changed from the pedal Vertex to the NU-X. Tended to dig in more on the NU-X

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for watching. I think the only part where it's not aligned is in the "Start Me Up" lick everything else aligns. As we say in the video, the pedal sounds good, just fundamentally different as the thesis suggest.

@CraigDeubler 3 года назад

Dude. The NUX Solid Studio came out a year before the Strymon Iridium. Of all the Chinese brands, they're doing the most work to try do something a little different.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

It's the format I think that is what they're using more of in this regard. It's harder to imitate something like the Strymon digital pedals compared to the analog devices, like the Steel String, Tumnus, MI Audio Crunchbox, etc.

@khate747 3 года назад

I think the NU-X clones Free The Tone ‘s circuit, not yours.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

I'm not sure what it is...I've not seen any indication of it on their site or any talk of the circuit until after our video was made. All we determined in the video is that they're different pedals that look about the same.

@imalright2837 3 года назад

I think everything said in this video was fair and reasonable. He was just comparing and contrasting between the two pedals obviously for people who are curious like I was. He never demonizes the cheaper pedal, in fact encourage you to play them both. Haters just got to hate I suppose

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for watching and sharing your read!

@hoboroadie 3 года назад

Good exposition. This reminds me of the only pedal purchase that I have yet regretted, where I allowed price to be one of the engineering criteria. YMMV, that just doesn't work out for me. That one had a noise floor a couple storeys upstairs of where I wanted it. Anyway if you have soldered a circuit or two, you can appreciate the value of the person who actually crafts the unit, and I don't see any reason not to pay them fairly. It's all up to what you value, and your means. I actually buy way, way, beyond my budget, but that is just my preference. 💸

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

thanks for watching and for sharing your perspective.

@dylanlee4776 3 года назад

Can the SSS take 18v?

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

No, no need.

@ozlion152 Год назад

Huh? I thought Nux Steel singer was a clone of String slinger OD from Free the tone. Was that also a clone of Vertex?! Mind shattering

@jameshalbert181 3 года назад

I've made expensive mistakes in my tone search. I thought Lace Sensors would make me sound like Eric Clapton and Buddy Guy. I still sound like me. I thought a Soul Food would give me that mojo I've been chasing half my life. Instead it was the worst OD I ever owned. Now I know your SSS won't make me sound like Mayer but I do believe it will drastically improve the tone of my semi clean signal path. It's at the top of my wish list.

@VertexEffectsInc 3 года назад

Thanks for the support James!!!

@martyfriedman86 Год назад

Is it possible that a look in the interior would have revealed that it's not a clone and its just 2 different pedales "borrowing" the aesthetics of a dumble amp?

@VertexEffectsInc Год назад

You could...this is named in the video, and shown. However, it ultimately comes down to, "how does it sound" they can look the same, but it takes less time to compare side-by-side than to trace out a PCB as the test.

@martyfriedman86 Год назад

@@VertexEffectsInc Comparing 2 different circuits (designed to do different things) and claiming that the sonic differences are due to "cheap parts" is just wrong. Your pedal sounds great, and to be honest, i really enjoy listening people demo it on YT. That said, this video is quite misleading and dishonest

@brandonthompson8413 Год назад

@@VertexEffectsInc Because your lazy and just want to accuse someone of stealing your "aesthetic" when you stole the aesthetic from Dumble to begin with? I am really glad I have never bought one of your pedals.

@KahruSuomiPerkele Год назад

@@VertexEffectsInc you don't have to trace the PCB, just look at the components, they're litterally nothing alike... it would have been quicker to take a screwdriver.