Did Joseph Smith engage in Human Trafficking? | Ep. 1794 

I often think the FLDS is doing Mormonism right.

It's like when the mormon god has a message for the faithful, why is the message always delivered thru the cult leader, the sex trafficker or the pedophile??

FLDS is what the early Mormon Church looked like. The current Mormon church has modernized its values to make it acceptable to mainstream America.

I genuinely believe that if Joseph Smith were alive today he would 💯 approve of the flds religion and Warren

Woe unto you, [“LDS” RU-vidrs and practitioners of priestcraft], hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Woe unto you, [“LDS” RU-vidrs and practitioners of priestcraft], hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within [you] are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind [“LDS” RU-vidr], cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe unto you, [“LDS” RU-vidrs and practitioners of priestcraft], hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, [“LDS” RU-vidrs and practitioners of priestcraft], hypocrites! Because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, [The Lord] send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your [comment sections], and persecute them from city to city and [video to video]: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth… Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would [the Lord] have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. (Jesus, Matthew 23; 11-38) “[For] upon [the Lord’s] house shall it begin [destruction of the wicked], and from [His] house shall it go forth, saith the Lord; First among those among you [Latter -day Saints], saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.” (Jesus, D&C 112: 25-26) “O Ye hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto [the Lord] with their mouth, and honoureth [the Lord] with their lips; but their heart is far from [Him]. But in vain they do worship [Him], teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Hear, and understand: Then came [them which say unto me], Knowest thou that the [Saints] [are] offended, after they heard this saying? [To which I declare] every plant, which [our] heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. (Jesus, Mat

@@randyjordan5521 sick sick sick… I cannot believe this is the representation of the church. Completely appalling. What’s even worse is I have a hunch that church leaders are aware of this. I mean they have to be right? To be ahead of all the chaos it’s going to bring about? I mean this is worse than just marrying teenage girls, but to marry them against their will? With no choice of theirs? There aren’t words to describe the disgust I feel

Why are you believing this? Just because they say it doesn't mean it's true. There are many lies, distortions, speculation and truth told out of context on this channel. Gullible listener beware ..

I'm so sorry! I know how awful that feeling can be. This was a real emotional gut punch for me too, and I've been out for decades. Know that you're not alone! Best wishes!!

Hang in there!

@@trevanon7450get out while you can. It’s a mafia organization. I’m out too.

My grandmother from Wales had a story about Mormon missionaries.

@orisonorchards4251 - Sounds like we need you as a guest on Mormon Stories podcast pronto! mormonstories@gmail.com

Dang...Do you have a reference for the Heber Kimball reference? So evil.

@@randyjordan5521 thank you. I'm still on it. :)

Nonsense! Lol! Of course he never said that. What lies the gullible will believe..

@@randyjordan5521 your quote was printed 100 years after his death. You can't know how many revisions or here-say i.e. gossip, it went through in that 100 years. 2 people can witness the same event and descibe it completely different based on their individual perspectives. Too many people take for 100% truth what in what most instances is just 200 year old gossip. It's what this channel (and the gullible) thrive on!

My Great-Grandmother was the first wife. When the family next door lost the Father of the house in a farming accident, My Great-Grandfather "married" the widow and took responsibility for her children and farm. They had no children together. At that time my Great Grandfather was in his 40's. The two farms were combined into one. This was in the early 1800's and extremely rural. A horse and buggy would take a full day to get to the nearest city and back. They were all some of the original/early LDS. My ancestors didn't come from England, They came from Switzerland.

@@randyjordan5521 I didn’t know any of that until now. Glad it’s finally coming to light. It’s a common slavery tactic still in use today. A lot of Chinese immigrants are under the same type of servitude.

@@joankelley3772 yeah i wish the jonn delany spent more time/clarifications on not all polly/monogamous relationships ( just like some others monogamous marriage/open not all are a happy every after ending 😉 so to is polly and no it's not for everyone it's just a different experience/love language as im polly-orientated and have ben sense i was about 4yo-now but closeted between 10yo-25yo~ 1999~14~ BTW the faith/church isn't why im polly as actually my family/localy/logan it's and open gay-only lesbian/~BI*~/trans* shunned from 1800/og to now sad as it shouldn't be ) are bad some are even male-gay ( or lesbian or bi ) religious&or-totally-atheist triads marriage or open-relationship aka something not part of the LDS-church in anyway ect, and yes im not of there gay or swingers beliefs but that doesn't mean it's my right or another's to trample on there LGBTQ 🏳‍🌈or religious freedom's ect otherwise im for real-historical figures and facts being teachings , my ( also im a intersexual only mentioning that so there's some understanding of it's not all tocsick masculinity/predatory behaviour as im not for warren-jeffs-ect or nonconsenting relationships aka cheating ect ) bi sexual with females/wife's is was totally there idea 100% and there not religious/lds i im and at 1st wasn't having any of it as i was LGBTQ 🏳‍🌈 & religious phobias and also scared i would be excommunicated for being marriage/activity to either woman/lady both or just signally even if it's a heathy relationship-long-trem and heathy parenting ect , and honestly im a better person nowadays from it/polly ( evan my family and friends ect noticed aka i didn't cocourse/lead a opinion's ) but im not looking to having 4+wife's/SO as ( im happy 😊with just bi-wife's/2 ) i can't see how anyone could be present daily after X-amont of kids ( my max mentally&physically is 6 children but for now im not parenting ) or SO it's just way to hard, USA 🇺🇸 & uk 🇬🇧 law wise 5max marriage linked licenses is probably good enough to make 99% happy and also right enough to limit abuses in the system, and no jonn delany is incorrect on USA 🇺🇸 law pre-Edmond's-act/1840~ to 2000~ phobia-law's that's junky, and yes after lots of reading the LDS is pro polly/LGBTQ 🏳‍🌈it's what makes it different from the logan Utah UMC/Methodist-churches

my dad's grandmother 1860~ was a vary well educated Kentuckyin/tennasy/Texas and wealthy-premarriage ( aka by choice and not predatory reasons ) polyamory and insist on marrying to Samuel ( atheist child-less-RIP-little-girl-1835-40~ single-widoer at the time of marriage's to about his death in the 1920's~ and also a cowardly vs the government by trying to deforce+ghost both at the same time vs standing by both morally-ect ) and the 2d wife ( sorry for getting her name ) aka it was there ideas and both/3 of them were happy ( maybe she/they were closeted bi or lesbians?? but hard to tell as it's the later 1800's and not much support's/survives as evidenced ) with the marriage/relationship but she's not happy at all! about the USA 🇺🇸 federal government officials enforcement of anti LGBTQIA+ 🏳‍🌈and anti feminism redrick's, and yes it's a vary good chance that after womens suffrage/won-voting-power she and others ( anonymously something that is being left out, as if they didn't like it it would have been easier to vote no/change-politics ) voted to keep polygamy/polly as a okay practice aka in the women's voice 60%~ wanted it something jonn Delany left out and in 2018~ surprised me as i didn't know about that vote happening in the western USA 🇺🇸 states pre-1940's my mother's side had some that are similar storylines but LDS-practicing ( and on general less wealthy-$$/influenceale and from Sweden 🇸🇪 and scotch/uk 🇬🇧 and french ) and less cowardly/separated/jailed for believing/lifestyle unjustly i feel the sameway as them and sadly i didn't know marry-P or others inside and outside of my family intel i was about 25yo~ and would have been helpful to know her storyline as a teenager and getting a better sense it's okay to be different/queer

I wish someone would make a song consisting of the plethora of points of evidence that show all the ways in which Joseph Smith and his followers are part of her as church kind of like those songs they have in school to teach you about the capitals of all the states

I'm not sure if that's a polygamy issue or just something apologists use for polygamy because the early date helps them support that point. I've often wondered if that wasn't originally just about intermarriage, not necessarily polygamous intermarriage.

@@randyjordan5521 yes even now, indian children are taken as placement students, sent to college, becoming lawyers and such, used as political pull, stating that they are Elders of their tribes, for any purpose the church sees fit.

Thanks for this comment, that was a harrowing quote

Tim Ballard is LDS like myself.

@curtisdecker3175 it was a joke. Irony, my friend.

@@tewtravelers9586 not really irony because trafficking didn't happen.

At first i thought you were serious.... Yes Tim Ballard is a sex predator just like these followers. I would be ashamed to be LDS after this episode and well thank goodness for the internet so LDS people can research the conman/charlatan/racist/sexual predator JS was and end this religion. Something so rotten at its core shouldn't be around.

​@@curtisdecker3175someone's in denial 😅

I'm so sorry that you had to endure an upbringing like that! I can only imagine...

Heartbreaking. So evil. So sorry.

Why are you believing this?? This channel only exists to destroy peoples faith and cause them to leave the church. John gets giddy over the thought of it. Sometimes his "concerned" mask drops and you can literally see it.

@@tamaraelsberry6630 I believe it simply because it's true, to the best of my discernment. If you have contrary evidence, I'm happy to see it. Please share it. As always, Mormon stories was thorough in providing an abundance of references, many from prominent publications of the time, and many coming from the churches own sources. I have no logical reason to question these sources. It's easy to let emotion guide you over reason. Hell, it still happens to me all the time, I'll admit it. But, I don't share your assessment of John at all. To me he seems genuine and sincere. He admits when he presents incorrect information, is open about his intentions, doesn't claim to be perfect, speak for God, nor have all the answers. He openly shares his organization's finances and invites intellectual discourse, including dissenting opinions. The brethren in SLC have never offered any of this from my perspective. I have no trust in them at all. Im sorry that you feel the way you do, and I sincerely wish the best for you, and hope you find peace with your beliefs. It didn't work out that way for me in the church, but everyone is different and unique, and has the right to follow their own journey. Best wishes!

you might not like polygamous or open relationship's but it's not ok to trample on others love languages aka a atheist/or/religious lesbian-triad-marriage can be wholesome just as a monogamous religious/christen marriage can be toxic relationship mainly it's about adults informed consenting to a adult-relationships ( open or closed styles, im the marriage/committing-type, i know as iv tried monogamous-marriage and being single ect ) after that it's been them not the general public/governments or religion's opinion's , and law is obliged to do process 14th of marriage-licenses maximum of 5 as this allows most if not all living-styles and doesn't disremanate against religious rights or LGBTQIA+ other than maybe??? double-swinger marriaged couples/8~totally ( after that form a business nonprofit co op/something-else as it looks from the outside organisation structure more like a business/political-party than a personal/close daily intimacy but hay im not going to kinky shame, it's just needs a different way of enforced laws/ect as it's to big for regular marriage-licensing/family-law strategy's-law/public understanding ) but a line need to be drafted somewhere as to limit the system/corporate-board-room-loopholes tax dodging/abuse-of-powerful ect, but monogamous/hedosexule rights only isn't correct morally and lawfully as it's against bi sexual's ect and yes i know some bi's are happy with monogamous ( and or being closeted sexuality aka denying that they like Ie homosexuality ect ) but some definitely aren't! yes! polly is a orientation under say the USA 1964 civil rights act ect it's just not being entirely enforced correctly, as im one ☝of them/pollyamoury ( max for me is about 2SO's bisexule-orientation and 6 children aka im not power or sex-ect hungry, and probably land on being considered a ACE-minded spectrum by others than me ) and been that way from 4~yo-nowadays aka 1992~nowadays and nope nothing to do with the slc/mainline lds faith/family/logan ut as it's frowned upon or at least when i came out of the LGBTQ 🏳‍🌈 closet

Whoaaaah. :[ So sad!!

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@@mormonstories Thanks for the reply. Sent you guys an email (subject: Ex-La Luz del Mundo).

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Wow! Did you inform the authorities?

You should report that to authorities! Especially if people are being held prisoner.

Bias, plus admitting to and owning the factual church history would have massive consequences for them

Please do Not beat yourselves up. I was a member for 40+ yrs and knew none of this. I miss my Church family and would go back if the church could come clean and only teach from the Bible. Not the made up scriptures . You did nothing wrong .

Because Ballard is a proven fraud and is using Mormons to make millions of dollars and aim for a career in politics?

He does it because the lives of people who lived 170 years ago isnt relavant to what goes on today. He's passionate about righting a very evil practice that destroys the lives of these children. They are made to have sex with adults multiple times a day. For years. To compare that wth people that lived 170 years ago, married multiple women, creating families and raising children with them, is ludicrous.

Yes and he is now in prison for having sex with a minor.. When polygamy was outlawed I the USA husbands sent their other wives to Canada and left them to their own devises.

Yep, grew up RLDS and that was the clinching argument that JS didn't practice polygamy and the Morms were the apostates :)) Pretty much dropped out in my early 20s after intensely studying the BoM and realizing it had little value and was really quite superficial. John D., it seems the RLDS/Community of Christ had a faith-crisis years ago and completely changed the emphasis on why the organization is valuable. Mostly the church's claim-to-fame was no longer the "restoration" or "priesthood" or the "one true church" or the "book of mormon" and really not even "latter day prophecy". CofC claim of distinction became a church that promotes --- proclaiming Jesus Christ and promoting communities of joy, hope, love, and peace. A fairly drastic juxtaposition between the "restoration" and the current emphasis.

@@jonpratt7510 and they were deeply influenced by St Paul school of theology, which is United Methodist. When they moved in their thinking, my relatives that were RLDS left for the Restoration Branches. For context, I'm a Chrisman high grad

@@MrDaveKC Yes, I imagine you're right that St. Paul education influenced RLDS leaders significantly. I wasn't really keeping up but that seemed like a major split for the RLDS church. We might have been neighbors :)) The family lived on a "church" dairy farm along the "Little Blue" just across from the power plant till I was 10. Then we moved 40 miles east, graduated HS in 1974 and then I left MO shortly thereafter.

@@jonpratt7510 I grew up close to Mill Creek park, north of the Truman Library. Yeah a significant split. The Restoration Branches are technically Independent, but they're associated. And there's the Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and they own old Chrisman Junior High building.

@@MrDaveKC Not quite neighbors :)) But not, too far away. About 8 miles east on Truman Road. My older brother did play little league ball at Mill Creek park.

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The Navou expositor, not sure on the spelling.

My best friend in highschool with about 8 other girls were sent to fruit heights school for mothers at 16 from Wy. And all forced to give up children. They just disappeared and came back like nothing happened to them. It traumatized me...

@@rachaelm6406 That's awful!! Those poor girls.

Back in the nineties we had a teen girl who was pregnant start attending our word. She stayed with a family. At church she was sheltered from the other teens. Basically she stayed with the host family 24/7. Come to find out, her Dad was very high up in the church. She was from Utah and they literally sent her over 2,000 miles away. Her name was a given name she used so no one knew her real name. She was forced to have the child with the host family. Her family never came to visit. Once the child was born, it was immediately adopted through the church agency. She had no choice. Then after the birth she went back home as if nothing happened and she was gone for reasons to better her education. As a teen myself I thought how horrible. How could any parent do that to there child and grandchild. I already at that point knew the church was a fraud, but at that time I was stuck. Glad I am free.

@randyjordan5521 Excommunication for pregnancy? Now THAT is really wild. It would've never even crossed my mind that excommunication was on the table for pregnancy. Makes no sense. The only difference between plain old s*x as a 'sin' & pregnancy is just failed or absent contraception. No one gets ex-commed for consentual intrcrse among 2 non-wed people. I dunno, maybe it's on the table if the person is endowed? I never did get endowed, so not sure. I'm shocked that he wanted to punish her with that. What a turd. Glad you convinced him otherwise.

@@randyjordan5521 thank you for taking a stand and talking sense into your bishop. Sadly the LDS church preaches forgiveness and free agency, but when we humans mess up it then becomes how can the leaders of the church crush and destroy you. Jesus was about love and forgiveness. Yes there is penalty for sin but thats for God to judge not man. I am glad I walked away from the Church.

If you know the big 10 commandments written in stone, not one of 10 mentioned multiple wives.