Did Shaq CARRY Kobe? 

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You should get on discord Jonny imo

Shaq obviously

@@astroboy9005 kinda crazy that everyone says that actually

I came to the comments just to say that😭😭😭😭

@@tyronetnj79 I didn't see it coming man 😂

I LOL'ed

The sad part is that statement is actually true. When MJ joined the Bulls his 2 best players were Orlando Woolridge and Quentin Daily who were both caught up in the NBA’s cocaine problem. I’d argue what he had his first three years was worse than what LeBron had in HIS first three years. Also Orlando Woolridge left midway through those first three years meaning MJ had 1 decent scoring options. Then once Pippen got drafted Daily left. Scottie was good defensively but offensively he was raw as hell

@@legendarywiimaster still not worse than what Olajuwon had to carry from 87'-93'

Not even the same. Imagine comparing Jordan and pippen... it's not the same

@@bboywolf Jordan also said, he would never win title without Pippen.

kobe won back to back without shaq so im pretty sure kobe could win without shaq kobe wa in is 4th season so obviously shaq would have better stats in 2000s

But shaq was bette simple

@@keeosama who got more rings??😂

Only 1 in 01 lol

@@bboywolf and 2004

​@@kendallthomas6807 he choked the finals away... lol

@@bboywolf he was a second option so how did he choke .. How do you blame a second option.. Do we blame Klay Thompson when gsw loss the in 2016 finals are did we blame Steph. And tell me why Shaq loss to the same pistons team the very next year in the east playoffs... Did Kobe choke that away too...

​@@kendallthomas6807 he tried too hard to be #1... klay was just doing the same shit until the team had to have a talk with him wtf are you talking about? no one is blaming klay because everyone saw lebron snitch on draymond lol klay avg like 19ppg and didn't jack up a bunch of shots like kobe in 04. kobe was definitely closer to being an alpha than klay but shaq was the guy. shaq lost because wade got injured... shaq was about to win in 05 and 06 if not for a dwade injury lol stop playing with shaq

Fax

There were many perimeter stars.....there was only one Shaq.

@@LembeckIsStaying you’re saying Kobe was just another perimeter star?😭 he was arguably the best guard in the league. And shaq thought the same

SHAQ was carrying them....KOBE was a ROBIN in 2002 and some times in 2001...in 2000 he wasnt even the 2nd best player most of the time.

@@trolln_ YOU are wrong...FACTS show that SHAQ carried KOBE.

Not that surprising tbh, some other all time greats were better faster. Even KG was better than Kobe at this point and they were both the same age.

@@unspeakablyawesomebros3392 said no-one ever

He came off the bench behind Eddie Jones for awhile.

@@Alwaysavictim4367he only came off the bench because his first nba coach was old school and refused to have a high schooler start over a vet. Kobe was killing eddie jones in practice according to teammates.

⁠@@unspeakablyawesomebros3392kg wasnt better, he just played for a coach who allowed him to shine. Kobe played for a coach that really didn’t like him and as a result wouldnt give him meaningful minutes

Dude, basketball, play offs are much more than finals 🤣🤣🤣it is great to talk about the finals all the time, but people always forget the road to the finals. 2000 was the only season where Shaw was clearly better than Kobe in the play offs. Still, in game 7 in the western conference finals (probably the most important game for the Lakers that year) Kobe had more points, more rebounds, more assists and more blocks than Shaq who was guard, Kobe came up clutch in the most decicive game and in the most clutch moments of that game. Soo, if Kobe wasn't soo, great in game 7 against Portland, Shaq would never had a chance to play in those finals and to have the most dominant finals performance we've ever seen by one player. And even with that being said, still in game 4 it was Kobe the one who took over the game with bunch of clutch shots when Shaq was fouled out and Kobe finished that game with 28 points (it was the most important game in those finals). In 2001, Shaq was better than Kobe in the finals, but Kobe was the best player in that play off after the first 3 rounds soo Kobe was the biggest reason why Lakers played in those finals where Shaq was clearly the best. In 2002 Shaq was probably better than Kobe in the western conference statisticly, but again Kobe saved the Lakers in the most clutch games. In the finals of course Shaq was the best player, but Kobe was also very efficient in those finals and had great all around performance that might win the MVP in some other years. Soo Shaq was better than Kobe, but they definitely needed each other. Shaq wouldn't have soo good career without Kobe and he would have only 1 ring without Kobe while Kobe would have 2 rings and 2 Finals MVPs over Shaq.

@@hristijandimitrovski8664 I'm only talking in line with the context of the video.. The video is barely talking about the season.. I also literally bring up his ascension season in my comment.. I don't know what you're so mad about

Shaq's competition level was inferior to Kobe's on the perimeter.

@@melvinhhcp3615 not in the West it wasn’t plus Dekembe was DPOY when he destroyed him

@@themaninblack8271 The West had the better guards 00-02. There were no legit centers in the West besides Shaq then. If so, name them. Divac?... Btw, Dikembe had an injured hand & was outweighed by 70lbs in that 01 Finals matchup. If you gonna tell the story, make sure that you tell the whole truth.

Yes and no. Kobe really didnt do much and hold his own weight compared to shaq till that last championship with shaq. In all reality shaq was getting triple team and double teamed that got kobe better looks which helped his numbers. I will agree if shaq stayed they would havr won many with kobe finally emerging as a legit top star but kobe already thought he didn’t need shaq or others which was stupid

I think they would have 6 because Kobe got 2 without shaq and shaq one whiteout Kobe, so I think they would have at least 6

@@juliojafetaguirrerubio1503 if they stayed their whole careers together they would have at least got 7. If Shaq had thought how he does now he see that he was slowing down and Kobe was becoming more of a killer Shaq would have took a step back but he still was commanding a double team.

@Kingbossdon probably 6

Not really The fact that Shaq won all the Finals MVPs and an MVP while kobe won neither is a testament to how much of a sidekick kobe really was in that 3peat. AI or T-Mac could easily replace him when having a dominant player like Shaq drawing doubles/triples and basically opening shooters by drawing all that defense in the paint. There is no doubt in my mind that kobe wouldn't have 5 rings without Shaq and that kobe would have zero rings if he didnt play in L.A.

@@ultimateyagermantrue or not kobe not only won more chips but also won a fmvp without shaq and let’s not act like shaq was himself in 06..

@Matt Hayes Shaq rings dont count. Kobe 2 rings 1 MVP 2 Finals MVPs Shaq 3 rings 1 MVP 3 Finals MVPs Sorry kid, looks like Shaq wins 🥱

@@ultimateyagerman it blows my mind that people like you try to diminish Kobe’s legacy because at 21 -22 he was the second best player on a team with prime shaq. And you don’t have to guess the results if you replace Kobe and pair Shaq with a different all time great guard because he had penny hardaway and couldn’t win a ring. The only time Shaq won was when he had an all time top 5 sg on his team. Without kobe or wade he’d be Charles Barkley legacy wise . Meanwhile Kobe won back to back without a top 75 player. And Pau never averaged 20 ppg during those playoff runs. You can praise shaq for dominating no name and old centers in the finals during the 3 peat but Kobe clearly did more with less.

@Impact Over Numbers :cries about kobe legacy getting called out and accuses others of diminshing his career: :attempts to diminish the guy who won 3 Finals MVPs over kobe's head: 🤡🤡🤡🤡

Stern didn’t want that

@@tj5180 The Refs didn’t make the Blazers blew a 15 pt double digit lead in the 4th qtr game 7. They nothing but to blame themselves for bricking multiple shots in a row making the same exact mistakes the Clippers would make 2 decades later vs the Nuggets.

Kobe was needed sometimes. Shaq was needed mostly. Stop it. ✋️

@@younglove3362 I don't think you watched the video. They were a duo who both needed each other. They have times where Shaq was needed more or Kobe was needed more. But in the end of the day both won't win those 3 chips without each other

@@younglove3362 what happened in the 2000 playoffs against Portland? What happened to Shaq?

You forget the fact that every team shifted their defense to stop Shaq. Even this video doesn't take into account that the reason Kobe would go off early in their run had more to do with Shaq than Kobe. They were Batman and Robin and who Kobe eventually became wasn't who he was during his Shaq years.

Nope Batman and Superman would share and win MVPs over eachother How many MVPs did kobe win ?

@@ultimateyagerman As many as Shaq lol

@Inexpugnabilis I meant when playing with Shaq 🤦‍♂️ Shaq holds 3 Finals MVPs and 1 MVP when playing with kobe 🥱 How many MVPs did kobe win when playing with Shaq ?

@@ultimateyagerman None, captain obvious

Like i think the only chip they could possibly have won without kobe was in 2000

@@papadoc331 Yup 💯

@@papadoc331 Kobe is GOAT, Jordan is top 10, Shaq is top 100, LeBron is top Billion

@@NoName-bb2pu lmao

That part made me laugh

What are you talking about he was old but he repeated one more time with dwade on the heat so he has 4 rings and kobe has 5

@@shorts26 he didn't repeat with Miami lol they won in 2006 and got swept in the 2007 playoffs. He was against but definitely not old. Shaq could've won MVP in 2005

Define "close." He took the defending-champ Pistons to 7 in the ECF in 2005. Now, they're looking at the Spurs in a hypothetical Final, and I'd favor the Spurs in that matchup, but I could certainly see Shaq and DWade making that competitive at least.

@@Rodanguirus lol dude when you're referencing the possibility of a repeat , that possibility starts after the first championship. Because had they won in 2005, who's to say their determination would be the same in 2006?? So you have to start with 2007 which is when Miami got swept

OK, Shaq got to the Finals with the Magic, Lakers, Heat. He was the best center in the game for many years where the center was often the main scoring option for many teams at the time.

They didn't cuz Kobe can't star like shaq

@@___Anakin.Skywalker your little theory was already proved wrong in 2009 and in 2010.

@@facelessandnameless my nega you forgot Lakers won with the help of David Stern? How they got Pau for FREE !!! FREE my nega Pau Gasol for FREE. They woulda got CP3 too if not for peoples seeing through the bs

@@___Anakin.Skywalkerthey literally got Marc Gasol and two firsts. Pau isn’t a top tier Hall of Famer like most superstar’s sidekicks. Pau isn’t dwade or pippen, etc. grizzlies were a poverty franchise who never envisioned Pau as a future franchise player. They needed to trade him somewhere. Shit, just looking back, Marc Gasol for pau Gasol is literally a fair trade

If the drama surrounded Kobe at that time didn't exist we would've witness greatness that never been accomplished not just Kobe and Shaq but Karl and Gary espeacially P.J. catching Red Auerabach's record, smh that should have cemented that squad in history and just what if Shaq didn't go to south beach ?.....we would not see Dwayne wade and Alonzo mourning including Pat Riley coaching the 2000 era.

Ok

@@yuko6585 couldn't win a chip before kobe only won one without kobe and wasn't even the best player on said team

Yeah. Kobe was slifhtly better player than Shaq every other series before the finals in 2001. And Shaw exploded to the finals and nobody could stop him soo for me when you analise all those things, they had the same impact in 2001 play offs. Before the finals, Kobe was the best player in the whole play off while after the Finals Shaq was the best player. Also in 2002, maybe Shaq was a little bit better, but still Kobe was killer in that play off too.

@@hristijandimitrovski8664 that makes no sense. Why don't you mention the lack of guard play in the west compared to the east. Only 1 sided narratives

@@bboywolf??? The fact is, in the west there were more players who were great in the pain like Vlade Divac, Tim Duncan, simply in the western conference there were better big men and Shaq hand't soo dominant numbers in any series like the finals. While east had more tougher guards than the west like Allen Iverson and Jayson Kidd and that's the time when Kobe and Shaq switched places and Shaq destroyed the Phily even with Dikembe because Kobe needed to face the MVP of that year and the best guard in that time, Allen Iverson. West had better big men players and east had better guards in that time, that's it.

That's a good parallel.

@@hristijandimitrovski8664 so why give kobe credit for playing around Shaq level until the finals? Shaq had a harder road to the finals. Where's his credit? It works both ways. 3 rounds of big men and then 1 round of guards... Shaq had more to do and did more point blank

Kobe and the team benefited from Shaq as he got the other team in foul trouble and the bonus. Shaq clogging the lane and controlling the boards was extremely valuable back in that era. Both needed each other it was 1a 1b. Shaq was clearly the alpha. As it drastically showed once Shaq got traded.

KG, Duncan, Robinson, Rasheed Wallace, Mutombo, Vlade, Webber all played in 2001 just to name a few. Shaq had legitimate competition. He really was that dominant

@@lesm3870 that is facts but that is why Shaqs numbers were inflated in the finals. I see you didn't mention any Eastern Conference big men.

​@lesm3870 and he had 100 pounds on all them and in the west where he barely got by

It's impossible to. How can someone who average darn near 30 in the playoffs and 1st team NBA be carried lol.

ABSOLUTELY , and if you "think" differently -- check the films!!!

Exactly and if it was that WCF championship 🏆, Kobe would have won at least 2

Let’s compare their numbers when they played together. Regular Season Shaq: 26/11/3 Regular Season Kobe: 21/5/4 Playoff Shaq: 27/13/3 on 55% Playoff Kobe: 22/4/4 on 43% WCF Shaq: 27/13/2 on 54% WCF Kobe: 23/4/4 on 43% Finals Shaq: 33/14/3 on 60% Finals Kobe: 22/5/5 on 41% Shaq vs Indiana: 38/16/ on 61% Kobe vs Indiana: 15/4/4 on 36% Shaq vs 76ers: 33/15/4/on 57% Kobe vs 76ers: 24/7/5 on 41% Shaq vs Nets: 36/12/3 on 59% Kobe vs Nets: 26/5/5 on 51% Shaq vs Detroit: 26/10 on 62% 16 FGA Kobe vs Detroit: 22/4/2 on 38% on 22 FGA Stop lying 😂

Not true at all

Teams had to cover both. It's a choose your poison thing.

And Kobe was only 22 years old and still had 35 points per game against Sacramento on 47% shokting and 33 points on 51,6% shooting against San Antonio. I don't care how much was Kobe guarded or not, simply he was incredible player in 2001 play offs, incredible...

@@ihaveadream3321 Ok so if that's the reason why Kobe was great then why was he still great when they separated? Kobe was even tripled and quadruple teamed more than Shaq when he was traded and Kobe still had the same results. Also why did Horry, Fox, Fisher not blow up when everybody was open in the team and average 25 pts? Stop this nonsense that Kobe was good because of Shaq bullshit!

@@kendallthomas6807 it is true

i get your point but i do disagree with it to an extent since shaq is a center and kobe a guard. If a team had a good wing defender they sure as hell werent sending them to shaq and vice versa for a good paint protector/post defender. It all depends on each individual teams personnel. Maybe if they had a lot of good defenders around the perimeter they would rather focus on not letting shaq get the ball at all by putting pressure on ball handlers since they didnt think they would be able to handle shaq down low. Shaq is getting doubled by the bigs, kobe is getting doubled by the wings. 1v1 iso doesnt really lead to open or easy shots with how clogged lanes were back then, even if you beat your primary defender its not like theres not gonna be anyone waiting for you at the basket and thats why you see all the clips of kobe hitting shaq with a dump off pass after a drive. shaq made things easier for kobe definitely but kobe was more than good enough to make things easier for shaq aswell.

Shaq had the best big man defenders guarding him. Kobe had the best defensive wing players guarding him. I mean regardless of what you're saying Kobe still has a job to do and Shaq benefited from it. They complimented each other very well

Too bad, Kobe was Robin. Second in command and Beta to the alpha.

@@younglove3362 and that's okay. Kobe was one of the best 2nd options in nba history. Probably being surpassed by steph curry and maybe kareem abdul jabbar

Even during the first I wouldn't say Shaq carried Kobe. Not when you got Shaq getting fouled out and Kobe emphatically and successfully picking up the slack in his absence.

Solid comment

While you’re absolutely correct about Kobe being amazing vs the Spurs you can’t also overlook that the Spurs were specifically built and set up to stop Shaq which is partly why Kobe could feast so much

@@themaninblack8271 The Spurs weren't built to stop Shaq, lmao. They were already the champs in 1999 when they swept the Lakers, before L.A. figured out how to win. You guys just get on the internet & say anything to discredit Kobe. Zero factual context at all...

@Rasuke11 When did Mike say that about Pippen? I call BS on that. MJ was always the man. It wasn't no secret either. It was internationally known that Jordan was the best in the world. Idk where you guys be coming up with this crap. Lol

Not on those weak legs! 😁

Nah bruh. Not even Shaq himself agrees. He literally himself called Kobe the best player in the world during the second playoffs run.

Nah. When they played together, Shaq was Superman and Kobe was Batman.

@Larsoboy123 so what? If Shaq said kobe was better than Jordan would you say it was true? Lol

@@bboywolf Doesnt matter. He didnt call Kobe better than MJ and even if he did the chance is big that he'd know better playing against both than some random nobody like us who watch from a far on a tv. That's like thinking I know what it's like to be in a war better than a person that lived through a war, because I watched some docu's about wars.

@Larsoboy123 once again just because he said it doesn't make it true. If it was the case why didn't he give him the finals mvp trophy? Right because it was Shaq. Shaq was the top 50 player before kobe was even an Allstars

How? If I already proved I was the primary mover why would that change just because kobe played better? 01 Lakers were better because of kobe getting better... but they would have won anyways with 00 kobe lol

I would say he carried Kobe in the finals, but Kobe was the best player on the court in the most decicive game in the western conferencez game 7 where he completely outplayed Shaq, soo if Kobe wasn't soo good in that game, Shaq would never had a chance to play in that finals and to have the most dominant finals performance we've ever seen. Both needed each other for those championships.

@@bboywolf I say Kobe was an emerging star in the 1st championship, but he was a superstar in the 2nd and 3rd championship.

@@hristijandimitrovski8664 Shaq and Kobe did need each other, but I was trying to say that Kobe was an emerging star in 2000. In 01 and 02 he was a superstar.

@vineelkesavarapu5736 how when he never won a ring as the best player? You can't be a superstar and not win. Shaq Duncan were the only real superstars up until kobe broke out in 09.

equally? LOL...how old are you???

@@onlyfacts3178 did i accidentally offended you by saying that bud?

not really, but ok. Didnt you watch the video?

@@dejamike88 not equally just shaq was SUPERMAN and Kobe was Batman difference so u see they aren’t equal but not far

@@kbak1919 did u ?

True

That whole ring debate means nothing. If that's the case look at wilt chamberlain, he owns the record books and better than Shaq or Kobe for that matter

To be fair, Kobe was held back a lot by the organization and coaches. Especially his first couple years, when he should’ve been starting.

You only talked about finals but you don't even know how they got there. Nice analysis. Hahahaha! Just a typical nerd you are.

It's my favorite!

Dumbest thing I heard 😂 they was also doubling Kobe Shaq had the paint by himself

Nah How many MVPs did kobe win when playing with Shaq ? You cant make this argument when they were never equals

@@ultimateyagerman that is so stupid, Kobe literally ranked higher than shaq in the mvp race for 2003 and 2004, how does he suprasse Shaq in those years but can't be in his tier In 02 or 01? Just stick with the finals mvps argument. And I already admitted Kobe was Robin In 2000, I'm souly talking about 2001 and 2002 being 1A and 1B

@random person Shaq has an MVP over kobe too You mind answering the question? How many MVPs did kobe win playing with Shaq ?

@@randomperson2540 there’s no 1A or 1b. Shaq was clear number one and Kobe was 2

Kobe was only better during the 3peat for a couple series but shaq was better 95 percent of the time

KIRILENKO was leading the league in blocks and having games with 5 steals..and wasnt even voted... DEFENSIVE teams in this ERA are horrible... And only dumb people look at that STUPID accolade...because now there is no positions so its a lot easier. KOBE was getting 1st DEFENSIVE teams with another SG ( B.BOWEN) being better than him.

Because when he was with PENNY he was against HAKEEM... KOBE got carried...by SHAQ and GASOl

Shaq still would have all 3

Stop it

STEPH makes 8 bad games and 2 great games...

Yes in '09 and '10

@@jop3249 Only AFTER Jerry West (working behind the scene in Memphis) saved his sorry ass and gave him Pau Gasol (Another HOF Center, BTW) for nothing.

@@JAWrightonline Are you stupid or was it a joke ?

@@JAWrightonlineesus Christ, if it’s not one thing. It’s something else you’ll look to diminish. Ppl love to just move the goalpost or diminish someone. Whether it’s Kobe or even Bron for example. So was Kobe, not supposed to let Jerry West build a championship roster with him in LA and bring in help? Stupid take.

20-28yr old Kobe isn't winning with Orlando or LA from 92-99. Gasol outscored and outplayed Dwight and the big 3 Celtics in the Finals.

Yeah that was str8 bs! Still happenin today.. even more now with gambling everywhere

nah, it's the same as ever - you have to TAKE the title, nobody 'allows' you to win it

@@shaft9000 ya no that was a robbery even Tim Donaghy, who was caught fixing games admitted that game was fixed.

BECAUSE GASOL carried KOBE....those LAKERS without GASOL lost 5 games and won 5 games the 10 games GASOL missed. AND THOSE ARE FACTS....without GASOL those LAKERS were struggling to get the last play-off spots.

I don’t think that, I know that

Lool

FINALLY, THE TRUTH!!! Without a HOF Center (Shaq/Gasol), Kobe is no different than Tracy McGrady: A talented perimeter scorer who can't win a playoff series. Look it up. Kobe never won a playoff series without Shaq or Gasol.