Chamberlain fans do not like the comparisons because 6 World Championships to 2 World Championships makes Chamberlain look inferior….and he was compared to the GOAT aka Michael “Air” Jordan! The late Bill Russell could laugh at Wilt Chamberlain because Chamberlain didn’t experience team success. The late Wilt Chamberlain could laugh at Bill Russell because Russell didn’t experience individual success. Michael Jeffrey Jordan can laugh at both Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell because Jordan alone dominated the game of basketball/NBA BOTH individually and with his dynastic team!! 😅
@@rollandcurtis874So * nba champion he's not world champion And this is a debate on level of play, not career Wilt Chamberlain is the best player offensively and defensively end of debate
@@Lucas_boilon WILT IS GOAT, OLAJUWON IS 2ND BEST PLAYER IN HISTORY ALSO MOST COMPLETE PLAYER EVER. MJ CANT GUARD SHAQ BUT HAKEEM CAN SWITCH ON PENNY OR KOBE AND THEN STOP SHAQ
@@rollandcurtis874 JORDAN HAS NO STATS OR RECORDS. ANYONE CAN AVERAGE 30 PPG JUST LAST SEASON 12 DIFFERENT HAD 30+ PER GAME LILLARD LUKA CURRY ETC. BUT ONLY GOAT CAN REBOUND 25 PPG AND 9 BPG ON 30 PPG. MJ IS JUST BRADLEY BEAL WITH BETTER MARKETING.
@@PIP...33 Agree Olajuwon is my fav player but every smart men knows Wilt is only GOAT. Those stats and records combined with his skills and athletic unhuman body makes him impossible to match. Wilt will always be best player in history. Rings means nothing cause Iguodala have more rings and final MVPs than Erving, Mailman, Baylor, McGrady, Barkley ...list goes on and on.
Probably the most overlooked stat about Wilt was how he averaged 48.5 min a game for AN ENTIRE SEASON. Playing every minute of every game plus more would be exhausting.
The Celtic used some pretty unsportsmanlike conduct against Wilt.... Having his teeth smashed through his gum line leading to an infection that damaged his heart being just one.... Wilt even threatened Red when the same player tried the same thing, and he knocked him out.... Red wanted Wilt thrown out of the game, but the nba authorities had told the referees to turn a blind eye to this treatment.... On this one occasion, the referees took Wilts part, and one of them even said to the Boston Celtics manager when wilt chamberlain threatened Red...." if you have any more available 7 foot volunteers to send out to chastise Wilt, then he can join Red's unconscious player on the floor." Even Bill Russell didn't get involved because he personally played Wilt Chamberlain fairly in every game.... The Boston Celtics team, not so much, and even Bill Russell admitted it, and Tom Heinsohn confirmed it.... " Wilt suffered more physical abuse than any other nba player ever. "
In the 1960 playoffs when Wilt was a rookie, Auerbach had Heinsohn block Wilt after every basket so he couldn't get back on transition. Wilt ended up hurting his hand trying to punch Heinsohn. He only scored 12 points in that game. Not due to great defense but Wilt losing his cool and getting injured. I guess he just accepted that the Celt's were going to get away with their crap and tried to adjust.
I have said this before. I watched Wilt play many times. When he used to be under the basket he had players hanging on him as he jumped. No one was fowled more. He physically pulled players up with him no Foul was called.
He was literally not allowed to drop his shoulder and use his strength in the post on offense or it's an offensive foul in that era. Today he would be Giannis Shaq with Jordan fadeaway and Kareem hook shots and racing down court beating almost everybody.
Tom Heinsohn said Wilt was "egregiously" fouled. This means NBA owners, commissioner, referees, and teams were all in on it! Detroit fouled Jordan hard. Lebron has never been deliberately and continuously and damn sure not egregiously fouled.
Jordan’s Detroit thing wasn’t that bad, everybody got fouled hard, Jordan has still never had anything remotely close to Isiah Thomas injuries, no where remotely close to Bird injuries, y’all just want to protect him by thinking it was perseverance when in actuality it was privellage. LeBron has flat out been hit harder then Jordan. Jordan has yet had an actual collision that ended up with a broken nose, with a blood shot eye, actual cut over the eye, but Jordan with a baby bruise is tough?
People don't realize how the zone defenses really negatively affected the game. Thank you for sharing this video. They should talk about this on ESPN and TNT, but people aren't ready for this kind of truth and this would blow up the league.
Not only if he was allowed to play like Shaq but also if he played in a league like today’s league where if you look cross eyed or breath on an opponent it is a foul he may have averaged 70 points per game the year he averaged 50. The other thing that affected his overall career scoring is that he basically changed his game after seven seasons and stopped scoring. If he hadn’t done that who knows how many career points would he have had.
Know what else is astounding in this video? Wilt Chamberlain missed ONE GAME with his teeth pushed back into his head. By the way, the intentional (racist) elbow injury ended up causing his death.
True. Also worth noting.. in the article text below the photo of the doctor examining his teeth, it says Wilt comes back in the game and 'only scores 38 points'.
@@user-cn8nu6lq4w It was not treated properly from the get go, the infection from the jaw, mouth, found it's way to his heart, as can happen in these serious cases, and Wilt battled this infection for the rest of his life, secretly, often in the hospital on drips. It finally killed him in his early sixties when an attempt was made by doctors to fix his jaw once and for all. So in essence Wilt played with a bad heart for the majority of his career. Sad stuff, was it racist motivated, I think so. :(
@@Jay_Hall Yeah, dude.. you don't survive with a bad heart for forty years. And what you're describing does not make medical sense. Wilt experienced pretty classic symptoms of heart failure... not super uncommon for someone his size. I wish he'd lived another 20 years, but what you're describing just doesn't make sense.
@@nonamewillbegiven7228 Wilt was the most dominant individual player that ever lived. There is a reason he still holds close to 70 NBA records even 50 years after he retired. Basketball is a team sport and the best team will beat the best player almost every time. The Celtics were just a better team than Wilt’s teams. There might be an argument that he should have won a couple more with the Lakers but he was older, had bad knees at that point and again basketball is a team sport.
@@nonamewillbegiven1217 Absolutely Jordan was better, but this is a video about Chamberlain, so you'll get a lot of people praising him a lot more than he should be praised. Realistically WIlt was one of the GOATS though, just no where near the level of an MJ, but no one is really near MJ, he was just so unbelievable. Lebron is a freak, and closer to MJ than anyone has ever been in my opinion. There likely won't be anyone as good or as talented as MJ or Lebron for a very very long time, maybe never.
@@billj4525 and the guy with 6 finals Ls and got outscored by a bench player in the finals. Sorry Lebron groupie but there are players better his @ss and MJ still remains the standard
That was 3 players that set up Wilt for that major, injury to his jaw, and the infection from that went to his heart and he battled it secretly his entire life after that attack. It was that same infection from that attack that ended up killing him in his early sixties. Fact. :(
Absolute Fact thank you for posting it… they tried to put him out of the game every time he played… no one then or now could compete with his speed strength and endurance …. He was the largest man I ever met. I was just a kid, it was like standing under a redwood
I was trying to explain it to my 10-year-old daughter cuz I told her Larry Bird was the greatest all around basketball player of all time. Then about a week later I think we were talking about boxing cuz I mentioned Wilt Chamberlain was going to box Muhammad Ali and she asked who he was? I told her he was the greatest basketball player ever, and she looked at me and said "I thought you said Larry Bird was the greatest? I had to explain that Larry Bird was the greatest HUMAN basketball player of all time😆, Wilt Chamberlain was almost not human he was so big and athletic. The way I put it was comparing Wilt Chamberlain to anybody else who played is almost like comparing a full Grown adult to a 13 or 14 year old kid. I explained that you pretty much have to compare basketball players as being in two groups = Wilt Chamberlain and then everybody else. I mentioned how he holds the most NBA basketball records with 68 by himself and a total of 72.... and the next person with most records held behind him has FIVE.... she got the idea LOL
Plenty fair. It's just wilt dominates everywhere. He's bigger stronger faster more athletic with a higher vertical. He invented the fade away jump shot Jordan loved so much.
I don't blame Jordan for going to the league's front office & exposing the cowardly tactics of the Pistons during that time...that was smart & saved alot of other players health. Funny thing about those Pistons tho, when Karl Malone bloodied Isah, nair one of those so called "bad boys" ran up on Karl Malone tho...cowards. If anything, Jordan made it safer for players..Russell not sticking up for Wilt or confronting Red for hurting his friend is weak to me & i love me some Russell damn this team, this my friend you're hurting. I've never read or seen that wilt article before nor have i seen the picture of wilt in the locker room after that punk Clyde Lovellette pulled a dirty move...man Wilt was too nice & had too much restraint but i understand that, during that time, he was thinking about retribute from racists against him & his family. Man you should've been part of that Wilt documentary on Showtime that recently came out instead of the guy from thinking basketball...you would've been part so i don't know how they found him but didn't find you. All they had to do was look up wilt chamberlain on here & you would've popped up. Your videos are amazing & keep up the Chamberlain legacy that's been disrespected & shitted on for decades. The true MVP of 1962
Really appreciate the comment 🙏🙏 I definitely could've provided insight into the documentary that was missing but that's ok.. I have a platform here on RU-vid and people like your good self can find me here 👍
@@FoobasSports Your hard work, time invested, your due diligence & perfect segways in your videos are appreciated. Thank you for your skills & artistry
That's what I think about when I seen thinking basketball, I was like why not Wilt Chamberlain archives or Foobas Sports to cover Wilt. Just show it was agenda to a degree as well to still cover MJ23 as best such and such
Just watching the video replay of the karl malone deliberate elbow of Isaiah. His teammate Walker was dragged off the court. A ref grabbed him after he threw a punch and dragged him off. The ref had to restrain Chuck Daley. PS: No one on the Pistons did anything like that to Jordan. If they even breathed on him he got a foul call. Jordan was a wimp who wanted the league to cater to him and he got it. The Bulls didn't win in the 80's and the Pistons did, twice. Only the Celtics, Lakers and Sixers won along with them. Jordan and the Bulls 6 championships in the 90's came after the Celtics, Pistons and Lakers had shot their wads. They were spent. Malone's deliberate elbow of Isaiah came on December 14th, 1991. After the Dream Team. No one deliberately attempted to injure Jordan like that because the league would have expelled them. For his deliberate elbow on Isiah, Malone was ejected, fined 10,000 and suspended for 1 game. That is the difference right there. Jordan didn't make it safer for players. The league catering to him and superstars ruined the game. It took all the physicality out of the game and turned it into some soft video game. A game made for easy scoring. Today's NBA is a glorified All-Star game but not like the ones in the 60's more like the ones from the 80's onward. The league in the 60's was better than today. Not in skills but in play itself. The equipment was worse but their play was better. Why? Because they played 48 minutes and in an up and down game. The pace was better and the movement was better. Today's game is all about 3 points shots and individual play. Catch and shoot.
Wilt Chamberlain was versatile! He could dominate any sport easily! He could’ve destroyed any player in the NBA easily on offense or defense! Jordan was flashy and could dominate on both ends but no where near level of Wilt on Jordan’s best day!
Wilt played in a small league that wasn't anywhere near what the nba became in the 90s...so hard to compare. Dude was a freak of nature welll ahead of his time
@@KyprosEc What do you mean by small? If you mean heights, then they were the same height or maybe even taller in the 60's than now. The average barefoot height of a center in the 2023 season was 6'8.86" tall. List heights after 1973 are mostly BS. Hakeem would have been listed as 6'9" tall in the 60's. Wilt was a little over 7'1" tall barefoot. The same height as Porzingis, but ran a 4.4 40 at 290 pounds at his KC Chiefs tryout. If you mean less teams, then you're still wrong. Less teams means better players. Walt Bellamy was like the fifth best center in a 8 and 9 team league. He'sdbe an all star today. Wilt played an NBA75 center in 16 of his 29 playoff series. Russell, Kareem, Reed and Thurmond. Four or five more against HOFers Bellamy, Embry and Beatty(Petit and Lucas if you count PF/C's. Both are NBA75 PF's.) As an example, Jordan played ONE series against an opposing NBA75 SG.
@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 you are statistically wrong they were around 3 inches shorter and 30 lbs lighter on average. The facts are all there for you to see for yourself. You can deny if you like. LESS teams doesn't mean better players when less than a micro fraction of the population around the world played basketball vs today. The talent pool had to he 1/1000th what it is today...most other countries outside the USA weren't even playing the sport. It was basically Americans and nobody else. Wilt was an anomaly vs the rest of the NBA the guy was a pure athlete and wayyyyyy ahead of his time...humans haven't gotten weaker and shorter over time...it's exactly the opposite.
@@FoobasSports ...that's totally understandable...I still love the NBA but I get why some don't watch it anymore... nothing beats 90's basketball 🏀 to me though 😆...
I keep hearing people make this claim. Exactly what rules did the NBA change and when did this happen? I've not had one person come up with anything that they can prove whatsoever.
@@joeldriver-sp2rg First I'll name the non-enforcement from refs. MJ was allowed to carry the ball when it was still illegal. He also got a lot of ghost fouls, especially on long jump shots. Good for the FG% if you miss and worth an extra point if you hit. Now, here are rules that were enacted to help him. It was made harder to double team because you could no longer go below the free throw line if the guy you were guarding was above the free throw line. Go watch games and you'll just see guys standing at the FT line like dummies while MJ backed someone down for a fade away. Two handed contact(hand check) was no longer allowed. Hand checking was no longer allowed back court and above the FT line. The 3 point line was shortened maybe not specifically for MJ BUT he and Pippens 3FG% increased dramatically and they both scored more points. In 96 and 97, they won 72 and 69 games. In 98 when they moved it back to the original spot, the Bulls won 62 games and both shot dramatically worse. MJ went from 43 and 38% to 24% from the 3 point line. There are probably more.
3 seconds was added because Wilt was stationed in the post. Goaltending was added because Wilt would jump up and take the ball right out of the air. Wilt would step back 2 steps and then move toward the foul line and take off and dunk. The rule changed. You must shoot from behind the foul line and could not move until the ball hit the rim. These rules were put in to stop Wilt from totally dominating the game. The game became easier during Michael's time so he would not get hurt. For example, Oscar Robinson was 6'5" tall and weighed about 230 lbs. Michael weighed about 190 wet. Yes he was 6'6" but would have had a difficult time with the Big O and other large guards. The game during Wilt's time was rough. Wilt dunked one time and the force the ball going through hit a player on his foot and broke his big toe.
@@joeldriver-sp2rg the league changed rules on free throws after Wilt took two steps from the top of the key and take off behind the foul line and dunk the ball. After that they made it where you couldn’t cross the line until the ball hits the rim. They widened the lane to try to slow down Wilt. They changed the rules on inbounding the ball under the basket because of Wilt. As far as the rule changes that helped MJ, the league implemented the flagrant foul rule. Before that they were just fouls, hard fouls but just a foul. MJ was unable to get past the Pistons until the flagrant foul rule was implemented. They also changed the hand checking rule to not allow forearm checks and stop hand checking in the back court basically anywhere outside the paint. That happened after his first three peat and before his second three peat. They later eliminated hand checking altogether but the change in 94 did help MJ. The league also made a rule limiting the number of defenders you could put on a player to benefit MJ. The league did change rules to slow down Wilt and try to help the rest of the teams deal with his dominance where the rules change during MJs era made it easier for MJ.
None of Jordan's roads to the Finals were as tough as Wilt's either. There's not a single season in Wilt's career where he had the most talent on a team and he was rarely ever on the most favorited to win except on a couple occasions. Even during that magical championship win in 1972 it was the Bucks, not the Lakers, who were still the favorites to win and repeat that year.
Great video thank you .. wilt is often overlooked as being the best player ever which is a shame he was a incredible athlete and the league definitely made the game harder for wilt I wonder if wilt had the right coach and was traded to L.A. before his knee problems how many championships wilt Jerry and Elgin would have had
@@TheRealDarth_Vader Of course. They changed the rules to hinder him and hinder him they did. All that was needed were rules changes, bushleague fouls and Russell with 6 HoF to stop Wilt xD. And Jordan got all the rules changed to help him and played in a dilluded 6 team expansion league with a top 10 player for the decade, best european player of the decade, the best head coach and the best modern day defender and rebounder. He better win at least 6 rings. They gave him flagrant, free travel pass, ilegal defense and a shortened 3 pt line hahahaha. Imagine if they did that for Wilt.
@@andrewcook1246 Who did Wilt play with in the La Lakers list those players and dont complain. Jordan was alone in the 80s what did those guys do after Jordan. Phil Jackson played with Kobe after Jordan and Kobe pretty much took alot of Jordan's moves and played like Jordan. Compare Wilt in the play offs to Jordan and it becomes clear why Jordan is better. What did Jordan's teammates do after him. Jordan's teammates admit that Jordan made them better this is not a debate all Wilt has over Jordan is stats but he couldn't win as well as Jordan, Wilt couldn't handle the pressure in the playoffs look up what Kareem said about wilt. Wilt wasnt even that good of a team player its evident why Russel won more
@@TheRealDarth_Vader Wilt got to the Lakers after 8+ seasons. You put prime Wilt, Jerry and Elgin and they definitely taking a few chips from Russell. I love Russell, he's the best team player ever. You can't compare Jordan to Wilt cayse Jordan never played against 4 allstars or 5+ HoF.
No objective NBA fan, who watched Wilt and MJ play in their primes, would say Jordan was better, more dominant, changed the game, overcame more adversity. When you take all relevant factors into account, Chamberlain is unquestionably the GOAT.
admin seni youtubedaki ismin toofun productions olduğundan beri takip ediyorum. çok sevdiğim bir kanalsın. umarım daha fazla izlenir videoların. emre belözoğlu 2009-2010, 2010-2011, 2011-2013 videoların vardı. sonra emre belözoğlu'nun 2001-2005 inter, 2005-2008 newcastle dönemleri için de video yapmıştın. hepsi galiba silindi. sende o kayıtlar hala mevcut mu? geri yükleme ihtimalin var mı? yanıtlarsan çok makbule geçer.
Kanalımı takip ettiğiniz için teşekkür ederim. Telif sorunları nedeniyle Emre'nin Fenerbahce videolarından hiçbirini yükleyemiyorum. Ancak ileriki bir tarihte Inter ve Newcastle videolarını daha iyi kalitede yüklemek mümkün olabilir. Ayrıca futbol içerikli yeni bir kanal açmayı da düşünüyorum. Futbolseverleri kanal aracılığıyla bilgilendireceğim.
Nope. He supposedly did it before a practice when he was at the University of Kansas in the late 50's. Tex Winter (inventor of the triangle offense) saw it firsthand: "In the rules at that time you could," Winters said. "I think I could've been very instrumental because I was Chairman of the Basketball Rules Recommendation Committee and I explained to the coaches at the convention what I saw and said that something's going to have to be done so we don't have guys who can dunk the ball from the free-throw line." LOL. Wilt was the only person who could ever do it. Tex Winter was a coach at Kansas State and was scouting the Jayhawks and saw Wilt stand about 3 feet behind the circle above the free throw line and take a couple of steps before jumping from the free throw line and dunking the ball. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fyz-FhP2ONk.html listen to him speak about it at 3:41. He also was instrumental in outlawing the out of bounds throw in behind the basket over the basket.
Jordan's best year he averaged 37.1 points a game, shot 86% from the free throw line, 48% from the field and averaged 40 minutes a game. In Wilt's rookie year he averaged 37.6 points a game, shot 58% from the free throw line, 46% from the field and averaged 46 minutes a game.
@@nonamewillbegiven7228 The league added more teams during Wilt’s career so it wasn’t always 8 teams. The number of regular season games were basically the same no matter how teams were in the league. The two main differences were the fact that with less teams in the league you played tougher competition more often than now and because of the limited number of teams there were fewer rounds in the playoffs.
@@jimmulcahey9312 and tougher competition and yet no one could beat the Celtics. Compared to the 80s and 90s where it was a dog fight all season long m0r0n
You cant compare jordan to wilt in no shape form or stat , wilt is the greatest basketball player to ever walk on wood , most 40,50,60,70,80,90,100 point games , most blocks most steals , most rebounds season avg, most career rebounds , i ll leave out his other 71 records which still stand ,,no ones close NO ONE
is that his standing vert?...I'm nil I don't think his approach jump would be much higher...he was a 2 foot jumper even when he was younger...Russell on the other hand was just as good off of 2 but far better off one...which is why he a better fly by and chase down blocker
YEP RODMAN IN FWEW LAST POSSESSION TANGLE BOTH LEGS TO PREVENTIVE MAILMAN STAND FROM GROUND AND COMEBACK IN DEFENSE REFST SHOULD EJECT HIM FOR THAT HE LAY ON MALONE ON GROUND.
Isiah Thomas own Pistons were also outta in early rounds a lot until they put it together a strong squad. Everyone goes thru that. Thomas is making a bogus argument against Jordan.
Not only that but MJ swept his bum when he was trying to go for a 3peat, yet he would cry at the top of his lungs that they were “old”…..pretty sure if he were “old” he would’ve retired the season before or after
@@bGzzzzz Exactly. Lebron fans like to deflect super team criticism by saying Jordan was also on a super team when Rodman joined Bulls in 95 and then accuse Jordan only beat the loaded Pistons in 91 when they were old. Well both statements cannot be correct at the same time. If Rodman was considered "old" in 91 playing for Pistons then he couldn't be considered a star in his prime when joining Bulls 4 years later. Typical Bronies' desperate reaching argument.
@@TellenJones I’ve been saying the EXACT thing to dipshts that say Lakers/Pistons were “old” How about Spurs team in 2007 and then winning in 2014!!! Now that’s OLD!
Not really because the Bulls couldn't get it done against the best teams of the 80's. The Pistons started out worse than the Bulls arguably and yet managed to go to 7 games against Boston in 87 in the ECF, 7 games against Lakers in the WCF and then win two straight Finals in 89 and 90. They arguably might have won 4 straight Finals in the 80's. The Bulls had to wait until 91 for a championship. By then the Pistons, Celtics, Lakers and Sixers were not the same teams. The Bulls dominated a weaker era and did so with the help of the NBA and their officials.
@@wpl8275 Based on your reasoning the same could be said of Pistons: They won b/c Celtics and Lakers were not the same. Pistons could not win before 89 when both Celtics and Lakers were at their peak. Pistons only won in 90 b/c Blazers were not as strong as prime Celtics or Lakers. See? When Jordan SWEPT Pistons in 91, Thomas / Dumars / Rodman were 30 / 28 / 30 yrs old. They were still in their prime. They got beaten fairly and squarely. There ain't no "getting old" excuses. If 90's were weak then how come Shaq never won a tile in that era? We know Shaq was strong nuf to 3-peat in 00s. Shaq entered his prime right away and had Penny by his side who's every bit of as good as Kobe. Shaq's Lakers had 4 all stars in 98. You know why? B/c Shaq kept getting swept by Jordan, Olajuwon, Malone and so on 90 OGs. 90's were so strong that Shaq, a top10 ever player, could not win until those OGs were gone. Don't tell me 90's were weak.
MJ is not in the race with Wilt. MJ's equivalents are Kobe, Lebron, Elgin, Oscar, West, Magic, Bird, Dr J, Karl Malone etc. Crowded field. In fact either Shawn Kemp or Dominique could have been substitutes for MJ. Wilt can only be discussed with Russell or Kareem. They're in a different league.
Wilt also faced the challenge of the Civil Rights Era, with all the inherent restrictions, hatred, and dangers that entailed. MJ was treated like a God from Day 1, courtesy of Nike.
Wilt was a better player overall than Jordan, in all categories and statistics. U just have to see them play. Amount of championships is not a good category 2 judge how good a player is. If that's true then Bill Russell is better than Jordan because Bill has more championships. Winning championships is more a team success.
If championships are all that matters in determining how good a player is then Steve Kerr was better than Jerry West, Robert Horry was better than Elgin Baylor, Karl Malone or Elvin Hayes. It is a ream sport!
You can't be serious. Wilt was a completely ineffective shooter outside of 3 feet. He shot 50%on free throws for his career which is absolutely terrible. He lost COUNTLESS games with his free throw shooting. Jordan was a better shooter, scorer, ball handler, passer, defender, better closer and he was SIGNIFICANTLY better in the playoffs when it mattered the most.
@@joeldriver-sp2rg Wilt pretty much invented the fade away, so just by your first statement it shows that you have no clue what you're talking about. Like just about everything else in your post. You got the part about FT% right, but Wilt made up for it with his FG efficiency. He led the league in TS% 3 times. He led the league in FG% 9 times. And he led the league in assists once. MJ did NOT play significantly better in the playoffs. If you go by playoff Win Shares per Game, the order is Jordan/Lebron/Wilt. If you go by WS per Game Won, it's Wilt/Jordan/Lebron. AND, Wilt got all those WS from defense which is at a 2 to 1 detriment to offense. In other words, Wilt had an even amount of OWS and DWS because he played many more games as a defensive anchor than as a volume scorer. PPG aren't everything. Wilt could do it all. Tied with MJ for ppg, most rpg, second most apg by a center and most bpg if they were counted.
@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 Wilt couldn't shoot outside of 3 feet. You can go watch all of his games you can find and I'll guarantee that's exactly what you'll see.
@@beenizz5102 Bee, I have a question for you. Can you answer I depth this question: If Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell had switched teams throughout the '60s who would have been more successful So Wilt chamberlain starts his career with the Celtics in 1959 and Russell starts with the Warriors in 1957. I can see Russell winning rings in 1957 plus 1958 and 1959 but that's where I think it stops there I think Wilt once he comes in and joins the Celtics wins titles up to 1966. however, With Russell joining the sixers from the Warriors in 1965 I can see the sixers winning in maybe 1968 provided injuries don't happen in 1968 as they did to the sixers in real life if that happens then the Celtics win in 1968. I think 100 per cent that with Russell now being a laker in 1969 that the Lakers win a title that year as the team chemistry would have been a lot better for the laker's that year with Russell instead of Wilt. Therefore I think Wilt would have 7 rings at the very least with the Celtics and Russell playing on all of Wilt's team's wins 5 rings. What do you think?
Can you imagine how dominant he would be if he had trained for the Olympic Decathalon instead of playing for the Globetrotters? He would probably come in first for most of the events
If I wanted to see people getting hurt unnecessarily, I would watch snuff videos. Basketball is not a combat sport. Both men were targeted for being far superior to their competiton. Isiah talks about Mike complaining but Wilt threatened to quit the sport altogether. I don't blame either of them. It's not illegal and it hurts no one. If it had been me, I would have retaliated so violently that I would probably be arrested. Do you want to play ball or throw hands? We shouldn't abuse each other on the courts or the streets. ✌
Jordan really wasn't punched and kicked like Wilt. MJ was complaining about tough defense that had been in the league for decades. As far as Wilt goes, he had tremendous restraint. Clyde Lovelette was the one that hit Wilt in the mouth and messed up his teeth. About 4 years later in the 1964 finals, Lovelette was playing for the Celtics, who were up to their usual tricks and Wilt knocked Lovelette senseless.. In the 1960's playoffs against the Celtics, Wilt and Heinsohn threw a few punches at each other and Wilt ended up bruising his hand. Jordan preferred to punch his team mates.
@@FoobasSports I'm not saying that Wilt had it easier because I know he didn't. I'm saying violence & basketball should be two separate things in any era.
@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 I agree totally about Wilt. Violence doesn't belong in basketball in any era IMHO. The "Bad Boy" Pistons were a very talented team that also punched and tackled many people to discourage them from going to the basket and to rattle the tougher teams. It's kind of how they got the name "Bad Boys". Jordan was a guy who was almost impossible to stop, wouldn't be intimidated and drove to the basket as part of his game so they targeted him a lot. He only complained in the '91 play-offs, after his team-mate (Scottie Pippen) was pushed into the stands so violently by Dennis Rodman that he still has the scar under his chin to this day. Isiah punches team-mates too!
@@jackwalsh6758 That's what they did. Wilt was totally messed with by the Celtics and they got away with it. One of their tricks was to get someone to block Wilt after a basket so he couldn't get back on transition. Basically a foul but they weren't called. They fouled him on both ends of the court, basically. Auerbach was a devious SOB who only got more devious during the playoffs. He got away with his shite more often than not. That's why when Wilt knocked Lovelette senseless, the refs didn't eject him. Auerbach was livid, but since Wilt took such a beating the refs told Red to send another big man out to punch Wilt if he wanted or shut up.
If Wilt, Elgin, Zeke, The Big O and several others could have gotten away with what scorers nowadays get away with, MJ would just be considered another excellent ballplayer!
Mj would have out competed all of them like he always does Russel undoubtably won more than wilt jordan would win whilst beeing a 2 way player like he's always done
See stuff work out Tex Winter was one the forces behind rules to neutralize Wilt. As well was the architect by MJ success far grasping certain flow of the offense for his 90s championship reign
Something nobody is thinking about, let's take wilt and bring him forward in time to now using supernatural power, his rebounding would be incredible offensively and defensively. He had a incredible ability to block most shots inside. If would be difficult to stop his jump shot. Now let's take Jordan and take him back in wilts day, Mike if you do any antics or showboat the coach will pull out immediately ! No three point shots. The players will beat you up physically. You ever try running down the court with converse all stars designed in the 1950s. No air nikes. Lastly you will play in a small arena at times, half if not more of the people will be smoking. Some players said smoke was everywhere poor ventilation in those old buildings.
@@doug3819 Yeah you’re right. I’m just a causal observer of the game I was suggesting that players in 90s as whole could compete. But I do think Wilt was a better player all round. I think he’d kill MJ in a 1v1.
48 min per game, 50 pt per game with 30 rebounds plus the other 70 records he holds while never fouling out in game thru HS College and the NBA…. All the while being mauled.. wilt is the GOAT end of story… the rest need to focus on who’s the runner-up
@@nonamewillbegiven1217 but that’s ok, keep ignoring reality… you can’t compare the two. Jordon accomplished nothing until the NBA evoked the Protect Michael rules and give him a free lane also all Baby Michael to carry the ball . Rules changed for Wilt also… but those changes made it more difficult to score… lol heck the records books…
Give both Credit an others that played the game @ A high level.. New rules just like football etc.. You're born when you're born, enjoy it.. Look how they protect the quarterback today an rest NBA players.. New Rules..? ✌🍾
Today’s players are soft and couldn’t play with the physicality of earlier eras. I believe a lot of this is due to the rules changing to protect the players and open up the offensive game. The players make a hell of a lot of money and up to a point more offensive makes the game more enjoyable to watch for the fans. For these reasons I can understand the owners putting in rules to protect their investments.
@@jimmulcahey9312 stop being salty that the league doesn't want their players to get hurt and want their product to succeed. You would be a terrible business owner troll
Well they are trying to not compare Wilt to Jordan but the tapes saved Wiit a lot of them are ungrateful to him and others for what they've done for basketball, Wilt has a son living in England, I believe Basketball Association should compensate him.
Obviously wilt faced more challenges than jordan. Jordan never beat a team that outnumbered his own by 2 or more hall of famers in the postseaon. Wilt did 3 different occasions Jordan never forced a single rule change to make it harder for himself but in fact was helped by rules that made the league easier for guys like him. Wilt experienced the opposite with far harder rules forcing players to play and learn at a higher level than later decades and changed 4 different rules on top of that to make it harder for wilt due to his greatness Jordan saw less hof comp in a single series at a time in postseaon team wise and position wise than wilt by far Jordan never beat a team with 5 hofs wilt beat one with 7 something jordan never even saw Jordan played in a league where u could backdown punish, wrist carry, count assists after the player takes dribbles, flagrant fouls are a thing, pace is slow where u can conserve far more energy, 2 hand check was illegal and 1 hand check was allowed and no zone defense Wilt played in a league totally opposite where zone defense and 2 hand check was legal, pace was higher n far harder to keep up with athletically, harder rims to shoot on, couldn’t backdown punish or wrist carry at all, no assist counted after the player dribbles, tip in shots count to the player who shot the ball, no flagrant fouls, etc…. Wilt >>>>>>>>> jordan obvious reality
Wilt has the most point average in a single season and the highest field goal percentage in a single season, stopped scoring because they said he was too much got his teeth knocked in. He’s the goat in my book regular season goat, Jordan is the finals goat
Simple answer asking one simple question: which team would prevail 5 Wilts v. 5 Michaels….. remember Wilt was a point guard as he waited to meet the age requirement of the NBA….. I don’t believe Michael ever played as a power forward or center. As yourself the question as a fan and the as a owner…. Even Jordan now a owner would take the five Wilts
You make a video saying Jordan cried to the league but start off with an article of wilt chamberlain crying to the league? The Pistons cheated to win their titles. They were playing tackle basketball which was illegal. once the league did what they were supposed to do and started calling flagrant fouls for essentially knocking people out of mid air which weren't real basketball plays(you have to at least have the intention to play the ball not just knock someone down), the Detroit Pistons disintegrated. Jordan didn't finally break through the Pistons because "they got old". He broke through because the league forced the Pistons to play real basketball and they couldn't, which is why they got swept. NO ONE liked the Pistons or Isaiah. It wasn't just Jordan. It's why he was left off the 92 Dream Team because he was a pariah. Pro tip, don't use quotes from Isaiah Thomas. He's just a bitter guy.
I would of been nice to see but the Detroit Pistons beat up MJ and got away with a lot so to act as if the rules were changed to favor MJ is a non factor in the GOAT convo, it has nothing to do with will and skill. Who would you ask to take the last shot? There's more to basketball than athleticism and strength as well as scoring and domination. Who wills his team to win? Who has won 6 out of 6 finals MVPs. Its about the intangibles. Its about who can do it all dribble, pass, defense, rebound, steals, DPOY . Shoot a 3 to win a finals game. And that answer is MJ all day. Thats who I put my money on.
It is true that the Pistons beat up MJ but it is also true that MJ didn’t win any championships until the league implemented the flagrant foul rule. That is the rule that stopped the hard fouls and a lot of the beating. The rule definitely helped MJ. The rule changes that the league implemented during Wilt’s time, from changing the rules on free throws and inbounding rules under the basket to widening the lane were all to stop or slow Wilt down.
@@jimmulcahey9312 So the question is would Wilt have dominated the Pistons ? In the same way Jordan dominated them. He would be going against James Edwards who was a bruiser, John Salley, Mahorn, Laimbeer? MJ still averaged 30 against the Pistons so he wasn't why they lost . It was his supporting cast that failed to produced i.e. Scottie Pippen's migraine and Horace being mentally weak. So that's why MJ has said himself its not fair to compare eras. I know who I'm going to at the end of the game.. the guy who can get any shot and make free throws. If you are a coach and they are denying the post are you still going to Wilt who never attempted a 3 pointer? I don't think so.
@@ChicagoStud with the abuse that Wilt took with the refs looking the other way there is no question that he could handle the Pistons. I do give MJ credit because he did have a problem with the Pistons and bulked up every year to help with the situation. That being said, he still was unable to beat the Pistons until the league implemented the flagrant foul rule. As far as Wilt never attempting a 3 point shot there are some obvious reasons why that would be the case. First the 3 point line did not exist when he was playing. Secondly he was 7foot 2 inches, stronger than anyone in the league, dominant in the post and again the three point line didn’t exist. As far as who I want shooting the ball from anywhere on the court I would take Larry Bird over both of them. If just between those two I would take Wilt in the post and MJ from anywhere else on the court especially free throws.
@@ChicagoStud I forgot I also agree that it isn’t fair or even possible to compare the two accurately. It would be like comparing apples to oranges. Not only because of the different eras but also the different positions. MJ was a shooting guard and Wilt was a center. They have completely different responsibilities on the court. I would not expect MJ a 2 guard to rebound near what a center like Wilt does. I also would expect a center like Wilt to have more blocks and be a better protector of the rim than a guard.
We all have to understand that Wilt played the center position with an enormous advantage of height at 7’2” the tallest during the majority of his playing career. Points production is almost automatic when he operates within the shaded area. Whereas in MJ’s case, he has to create oppurtunities to score. Wilt dominated the center position while MJ dominated the NBA, the opposition and the legends he played against!
In 1967 playoffs, Wilt had more quadruple doubles (5) than Jordan had in his entire NBA career (0). Jordan won rings in a watered down league with the help of referees. Anyone who chooses not to believe so is ignorant. Replace Jordan with Wilt on the Bulls to play with Pippen, Rodman, Phil Jackson and the help of David Stern.. my goodness.
@@FoobasSports wilt could literally goaltend and snatch jumpers out the air lol. You talking about advantages lol. His numbers went down in the playoffs. Didn’t elevate his play. Mj did, every round. Bill Russell had his number. Russell, mj> wilt. Wilt is not even top 5.
@@thelight3547 If Wilt was allowed to play like Shaq, God have mercy on everyone. Wilt would get triple teamed and he could not make contact with a defender. What do you want the man to do? He wasn't allowed to carry the ball and dribble past a defender. If you don't know this, then you wouldn't know that goaltending was invented in 1944... speaking of Bill Russell: “Nobody seems to appreciate what an incredible player Wilt was. He was the best player of all time because he dominated the floor like nobody else ever could. To be that big and that athletic was special." 1997
Wilt is of course the most dominant player based on his size and power... but skillwise he just ain't in the same ballpark than MJ.... being big and strong and dominant aint mean you are the Goat... MJ did a lot more fore Basketball and Basketball wouldn't have the worldwide reputation today without him....
Wilt played in an era that had a number of HOF centers and they were all tall and large African Americans - Bill Russell, Walt Bellamy, Nate Thurmond, Willis Reed, etc...
Wilt got outplayed by Bill Russell. Jordan got outplayed by no one. Maybe his team got beat by the Pistons but never got beat individually. There’s the difference.
Wilt was never outplayed by Russell. Russell and a zone defense slowed him down but Wilt out scored, out rebounded, out shot and out played Russell in every series they played. Wilt held Bill to less than 40% shooting 5 out of 8 series. Wilt had 3 30 rpg series against the Celtics and Bill. Wilt had a quadruple double against the Celtics and bill. 22/32/10/10. Wilt averaged 28 rpg against Bill in the playoffs. Here are their elimination games stats against each other. Elimination Games(EG) and Game 7's EG's (pts/rba/ast/ts%) Wilt: 29.8/28.2/2.3/54.4 Russell: 11.0/24.6/4.8/45.5 Finals EG's Wilt: 24.0/27.0/2.5/50.59 Russell: 7.5/20.0/4.0/41.48 Game 7's Wilt: 21.0/28.8/3.3/60.87 Russell: 13.0/24.5/5.0/49.77 Finals Game 7 Wilt: 18/27/3/65.60 Russell: 6/21/6/34.25
To those who are impervious to facts and figures have no ability to see clearly beyond their on "envy"...Haters gonna hate regardless...and Wilt, even after death has plenty of Haters-SAD...
@@user-qw8hu2gx9j He has many rebounding records vs the Celtics. Most rebounds in a game, most rebounds in a playoff game, most rebounds in series, most rebounds in a 5 game series, most rebounds in a 6 game series, a 22/32/10/10 quadruple double. Wilt scored less against the Celtics and focused more on rebounding because Bill was the best rebounder ever not named Wilt. Bill NEVER out rebounded Wilt in a series. Wilt averaged 28 rebounds against Bill in RS and playoffs.
@@user-qw8hu2gx9j This is also important. There have only been 4 30 rpg series in NBA history(that I know of). Bill has one against the Nationals and Wilt had three against the Celtics. In addition, Wilt and Bill both averaged 24 and change rpg in the playoffs. Third place is Wes Unseld with 14.9 rpg. That's an almost 10 rpg difference. "Inflation" or not, THAT is a statistically significant result owing to both men's greatness.
The main difference between them was 34% in their free throw percentages. Wilt was a HORRIBLE shooter...literally one of the worst in the history of the NBA. Outside of 3 feet he was basically completely ineffective. He shot 50% on free throws for his career and Jordan shot 84%. This meant that in clutch time Wilt was always going to be a huge liability and he lost countless games with his free throw shooting alone. Jordan is the greatest closer in the history of the NBA.
It's not wise to say he couldn't shoot when his signature move was the fadeaway jumpshot. And while his FT was a weakness (every player has one), his overall production more than makes up for it.. For example: Combined Points + Rebounds + Assists - Regular Season Wilt Chamberlain = 57.4 Michael Jordan = 41.6 - Play offs Wilt Chamberlain = 51.2 Michael Jordan = 45.5
@@FoobasSports Jordan had absolutely no weaknesses. Name one. You didn't just seriously post those stats! LMAO You combined rebounds? Who do you think is going to get more rebounds, a center or a shooting guard? Jordan was a better scorer, ballhandler, shooter, passer, defender and the greatest closer in history. Wilt wasn't a skilled player, he was just a freakishly large and gifted athlete much like Lebron.
@@joeldriver-sp2rg Excluding the years the NBA shortened the 3 point line for Jordan, he shot 28.8% from 3. That's a weakness. Nonsense that Jordan is a better defender than Wilt. Jordan was getting 3 steals and Wilt was getting 10 blocks. Of course a center will get more rebounds. That's exactly the point. Only a big man can truly dominate on both ends of the floor. Jordan is a better closer, ball handler and shooter. He is not a better scorer. Before Wilt was asked to change his role, in the playoffs he averaged 34.6 points. Jordan's playoff average is 33.4. And Wilt led the league in total assists in an era which only counted assists as a direct pass to the basket. He didn't get cheap assists dishing the ball to the outside from the post. In today's era, he'd be getting more assists than Jokic.
@@FoobasSports Jordan only shot 1.7 3 pointers per game so that NOT a weakness. He simply didn't shoot them because he didn't care about them since and in an interview he stated this since they took away from what made him great. Jordan shot 33% for his career on 3s so it clearly WASN'T a weakness anyway because that's right up there with Kobe and Lebron who are both around 34%. Try again to name a weakness in Jordan's game. You can't. He's the best offensive player in history, arguably the best defender and the greatest closer.
@@joeldriver-sp2rg He was 28.8 from 3-point range. The 3 point line was shortened between 1994-97. That made his percentage go up as he shot 40.4% in those seasons. There's a reason he attempted few 3 point attempts. He simply couldn't shoot from there. Numbers don't lie and facts don't cease to exist because you choose to ignore them. Using those facts you presented, Kobe and LeBron are better 3 point shooters than Jordan.
Chamberlain fans do not like the comparisons because 6 World Championships to 2 World Championships makes Chamberlain look inferior….and he was compared to the GOAT aka Michael “Air” Jordan! The late Bill Russell could laugh at Wilt Chamberlain because Chamberlain didn’t experience team success. The late Wilt Chamberlain could laugh at Bill Russell because Russell didn’t experience individual success. Michael Jeffrey Jordan can laugh at both Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell because Jordan alone dominated the game of basketball/NBA BOTH individually and with his dynastic team!
Actually, it's pretty much established that Bill Russell was probably the best defender in nba history or with Wilt Chamberlain in the top two....while, MJ isn't in that category in offensive or defensive play.... Wilt Chamberlain was the most dominant offensive force ever to walk onto the basketball court.... He was also ranked defensively a close second to Bill Russell or even his equal.... Wilt Chamberlain's career in basketball is unequalled in offense and defense.... Bill Russell probably the greatest defensive player ever, the only player close would be Wilt.... MJ won championships when the best from the 1980's retired or became injured.... But I doubt he would have won anything in Wilts era because the best pound for pound player in the 1960s Elgin Baylor didn't.... and he was creatively at least MJ equal or in many great players' eyes, the greatest player to never win a championship....
Excellent Points...However, Russell being better than Wilt defensively is highly debatable...Remember, the 50 rebound game Wilt had was done on Russell...they did not keep block shots in those days...if they had, it was speculated that Wilt averaged @least 8 blocks per game unofficially-which would mean that Hakeem Olajuwon would not be the shot block King to date. It's interesting, as soon as Wilt retired, they officially started keeping Block Shots...Go Figure!
