Difficult vs. Destructive Relationships | Therapy & Theology 

The Lord is not playing about exposing the narcissistic spirit in this hour. God is using so many of us who survived narcissistic abuse to expose this insidious, wicked spirit and empower others to escape these crippling relationships.

It's so important to remember a lot of us have an abusive family, zero friends because of the abuse, zero people who are supportive in the church, and no money for counseling. It's possible to heal without community and through Christ & His Word alone. There is hope. Thank you for these videos.

No matter what you are going through right now, God will get you through it. We are praying for everyone reading this! ✝️

Getting divorced was the best decision I made. I had severe anxiety and depression due to the instability. My soul was breaking. I’m happy now and my son and I live in a peaceful home.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I was in a destructive marriage for 14 years and I just kept thinking that I will pray and fast. I went through physical and emotional abuse. I would feel that I was walking on eggshells around him. The abuse lightened and I knew that God was working but after 14 years, I recently went through such a big blow. It's been hurting and I just kept crying out to God to provide emotional healing. I know that He can do it. However I was given a way out, my mom who is also in a hurtful relationship made me feel bad for not sticking it out yet she knew less than half of what I went through. I am so glad that I can hear this discussion in a Christian point of view. I am seeing this way out as God's intervention. Thank you Lord. It's not going to be easy. I don't really know where I'm going to live with my children but I am trusting that God will provide. Thank you for exposing this issue.

I was married to a narcissistic for 37 years. It was death by a thousand cuts. He desperately needed therapy and healing from his own trauma and abuse growing up. He took it out on me instead. God delivered me and im getting healing for myself.

SO helpful. 2 truths I've realized are that; 1. God will not bring to light information that I'm not ready to handle. 2. God doesn't bring things to light to shame a person but to give the opportunity for sin to be redeemed. This helps calm my anger and realign my disappointment. I do want to co-operate with God is this healing but also allow for my anger in this too. God knows what He is doing. Trust Him in the painful seasons.

I’m so thankful a friend shared this video with me. I can’t wait to break the chains to this toxic marriage. Give me strength lord. ❤

I am coming to the realization that my husband is narcissistic and I may need to leave. I’ve been prescribed antidepressants several times for depression and extreme anxiety, and I’ve lost years of my life to fatigue that appears to have no physical cause. It can be really tough to recognize something is wrong with your relationship in the context of being a good Christian wife, and then even harder to leave once you do.

We moved 55 times in 35 years so went to about 15 different churches. Never felt emotionally well enough to talk to anyone nor did I know how to bring anything up. It was mind numbing. When I did talk to one woman I thought I could trust, she told me that what I was experiencing was normal. A pastor said the same. I left a year later. The intrusive thoughts stopped a year after that. Nearly 3 years later, I am starting to find my voice again.

One thing I can say about the narcissistic spirit, IT’S CONSISTENT! I believe this spirit has a script that it follows to the t. I hear other people who were married to a narc speak and It sounds as if we were married to the same person.

The moment I started recording our conversations and taking screenshots of everything, JUST so I can confirm my reality...should have been the definite sign to get out. I didnt, and got burrrrrned

It's heartbreaking that so many wonderful women go through life stuck in these relationships. It's so sad that so many men are like this. God help us.

Thank you for this video! I got out of my destructive marriage over 25 years ago and dont have to deal with my ex anymore. Now its my grown narcissistic daughter who screamed at me, cursed at me, gaslit me, all those destructive things! She cut me out of her life over a year ago. I dont miss the drama and destructive behavior, but i do miss my 6 year old granddaughter that i kept the first 5 years of her life! Sometimes i feel like i am being destroyed, but i believe God is allowing me to fight for my granddaughter to be a part of her own family! I am going through the court system. My little granddaughter has known only chaos in her young life, police coming to their house, drinking, fighting, men in and out! Please pray for us!

God gave me four years to face the truth! Because I needed that long even then if God is not with me, I would have died, God is such a father and a friend. He kept me🙏🏽

This was the first time I put this into words, I don't regret our separation. I am more happy now ☺

Thank you ladies for this courageous conversation. Unfortunately many church leaders are not trained in The dynamics of abuse( especially emotional and spiritual abuse.)

This is so true!! I’ve been called as crazy, super jealous woman, unstable woman etc..I started to feel like I wasn’t a good Christian because I felt like I was thinking negative thoughts towards my ex-husband. But God made a way! The betrayal was exposed later on. 🙏🏻

Reasonable people who are acting out of honorable motives should be happy to explain themselves ❤

I emailed Leslie when my marriage was in serious trouble. She was kind and honest with me that I was in a destructive marriage. I had a hard time accepting it and proceeded to try counseling - unfortunately he is narcissistic so that only made things worse. Im divorced now and it's much better being away from him. There are other challenges but that's to be expected i guess. I appreciate Leslie being honest with me and she was right that my ex husband has a sin problem and that is not a marriage problem and needs to be addressed separately. He won't go to individual therapy, but at least Im no longer holding on to false hope of him changing.

I can relate to the issue of attending a retreat. I attended two weekend retreats in 20 years. Both times I returned he came out of the house furious that I’d been gone. It was so embarrassing and humiliating. After 30 years (now that I can survive financially) I’m getting a divorce. Control, lying, anger, devaluing, financial mismanagement..it’s been horrible. The promise he made to love me and love God when we married was a charade.

Wow. I listened to this and realized how much of this happened as a child. I did not even see how much destruction has affected my current way of having relationships. I am doing the work and thank you for this ..❤️❤️🙏🏾👏🏾

I had been so excited to be marrying a man in seminary. I meant my vows and so loved standing with him in service to our Lord in the lives of people. Little did I know that “the world” would take him over and he would begin to groom me for deplorable things. Though trapped, I loved my children and bought the story that it was my job to please him. It became extreme….then finally I felt I had to leave him or die. I’d been self medicating (no substances now for over 6 years) and the story is dramatic. He lost his ordination due to his behaviors. I didn’t leave for ten more years. I’ve been divorced for 11 years now after 24 of marriage. Our great God has healed me. I can even wear purple now (he always wanted my toenails to be purple). It has only been in the last year that I can say that he had predatory behaviors and I was groomed. I share this because I didn’t have the ego strength to recognize the red flags, to be able to speak out and hold on through his professed love. Someone needs to hear, YOUR voice matters! The Lord does NOT need you to stay in a relationship that destroys. To God be the glory!!!

I was married to a man who claimed he was a Christian but after a year he changed. 14 years with him while I wept and prayed and prayed. I reached out to pastors and leaders and I was told to submit more, give him more sex, forgive, forgive, forgive. He had sick, twisted sexual desires and I was coerced to do these things with him with the Bible. "The marriage bed is undefiled". I was not to say no, it was disrespectful. Things continued to get worse. And worse. I was dying slowly inside. I thought of killing myself. I daydreamed about him dying. I thought death was the only way out, his or mine. He cussed God out regularly and flicked Him off while I was crumpled on the ground crying, my heart breaking that he couldn't feel the enormous love God has for him! I finally had two friends who truly listened, helped me see that what I was in was severe abuse, and they helped me gather up my self live and self worth enough to leave. But it wasn't until I cried out to God to give me a sign to leave. I couldn't leave by my own wisdom which was lacking compared to Gods. I prayed for Him to end my marriage. My sign came the next day. It wasn't until I left that I realized I was married to a covert narcissist. I wasn't taught about abuse, I wasn't educated on boundaries, saying NO, manipulative people, narcissism, spiritual abuse. I wasn't taught to have any self esteem or about having self worth. I was taught that that was selfishness and self focus! 🤯 I am almost 5 years out and I am still healing from severe c-ptsd from having to sleep next to a monster for 13 years. I had to deconstruct the "religion" I had been taught and God and I are closer than ever! I am remarried to an amazing man of God, a TRUE man of God and he is walking alongside me as I continue to heal. We pray for my ex a lot. I've forgiven him but I'm still working through the grief, sadness and anger at him and myself....I chose to stay that long! I thought that was my calling, suffer for Christ. I was taught I could save my husband! What?! I am not Jr. Holy Spirit!! I lived through spiritual abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, financial abuse, psychological abuse, emotional abuse and severe neglect.... and God has used all of it to make me the woman I am today and I am so grateful! God bless you women for speaking out about this. There are so many men and women suffering through this horrific abuse. 😢

If this information would have been available 30 years ago my children and I would have never gone through the constant psychological twisted abuse that we endured day after day!!! Thank you for bringing truth and L shining the light on this hidden darkness that dwells in so many marriages.

"your work right there is to get strong enough to handle the truth"❤

My Daughter was cheated on and told that she had to be careful what she said in counseling because he said the counseling in the military could be not confidential and he could get in trouble and get kicked out because of his position which was scary to her. They are going through divorce and realizes now that she could have shared that info with the counselor. This happens a lot in marriages where the spouse is in some kind of law enforcement, military or otherwise.

There is a critical part to this type of abuse that gets lost in what most see or think regarding how the toxic person shows up. For me, he was passive aggressive and used the silent treatment as the tool of choice. It was my confusing his quietness with who I thought was a reflective man of few words that kept me hooked for over 25 years. He was passively getting away with destructive behavior on all levels behind my back and right under my nose. Turns out his behavior to act out followed our disagreements and my calling him out. Back then, there was no such language as having boundaries and holding him to account for his actions and meanness and withdrawal of affection that he used against me. I also didn’t know my self worth. I felt like I had too many feelings and that I would disrupt peace if I spoke up and said anything. He knew this. He manipulated me time and time again. Now, I’m left trying to undo the effects of this dysfunctional system of how he treated and portrayed me in front of my now adult daughter.

To have someone tell me I wasnt crazy made such a difference to me. He would tell me things like, "and you call yourself a Christian." It has taken many years to feel ok about me. I walked into a similar marriage a second time because those scary behaviors had become normalized for me.

I’m a therapist and found this to be really helpful for treating some of the female clients I see trapped in unhealthy marriages

I checked his phone, a boundary violation, but I found so much betrayal. When I (lovingly) confronted him, he flipped it on me, got really angry and made it all about me checking his phone. I should have left then, but somehow I believed you can grow stronger after such an incident. I didnt see that for us to get stronger, his reaction was the first big red flag, that it wasnt going to happen.

Two of the most influencing women in my life!! Leslie's book about how your marriage can be destructive, literally changed my life when I was in a definitely destructive marriage myself!! Thank you, Jesus, for Lysa and Leslie.

So true. But sadly, the “ controller” always “wins”, and enablers make excuses for him and vilifies you.

The secret sorrow of the heart. Inside devastation is so real 😔😔💔

Trust is built by "time + believable behavior" - so good

Ladies, I Can’t thank you enough for the work you’re doing. The narcissistic spirit is permeating the earth at an alarming rate. BUT GOD!

10:00. Over the years, I eventually took my NPD husband's abuses and never-ending adulteries to the church, whatever church we attended at the time, and if he could get the pastor alone for 5 minutes, he would turn him and the church (even long-time friends) against me, then they would both come against me, useing victim-blaming, victim-shaming, revictimization. This happened in 3 churches, (quite easily), even when they knew all the facts. NPD is incredibly diabolical.

After telling my family after months of abuse and newly married....he told me in a angry rage that i must tell my fam its not true and apologise....and i did. That is crazy making. 22 years later and its better ....but still feeling rejection at times and not good enough. Always being compared to other women. Women who groom.themselves look after themselves and are emotionaly healthy...and this was me before we married. I am financialy controlled...feel utterly guilty just cutting my hair once a year or buying a pair of shoes much needed.....being told how finances are short...all the while he spends as he wants on what he wants...

My narcissistic , alcoholic, emotional and physical abuser sent me Into a clinical depression and psych ward for 10 days. He finally settled it all by killing himself on my front porch. Several months later I realized I was free of the torment! Received excellent counseling and am healed! Took quite a while but I am free !!! Thank God! 🙏❤️👏👏🙌

I had questioned my ex-husband because I felt like he was cheating on me, and of course, he said he wasn't doing anything. He had started getting home at different hours, having a bag of clothes and cologne in his truck. He pierced his ear without telling me because GUYS at work said it would look good. All these things that weren't him were happening. Then one day I went home early without him knowing so we could talk about things and as soon as he saw me he put his phone down really quick. I asked why he did that and he didn't say anything. So I asked if he could show me his phone so I could just have proof he's not doing anything, and he refused. He walked all around the house, keeping it from me, and even twisted his ankle. That night (Halloween night at that) he walked out on our family. He's always said he wasn't cheating on me, but his actions proved otherwise! Shortly after leaving, he was in a relationship with a coworker! When we know, we know!

I have severe anxiety my marriage is hanging my a thread. I'm experiencing everything in this video. Been spending time with the Lord. Jesus please step in and help me! Protect my children.

As a single Christian woman, I am learning a lot from this video about what I don't want from my next relationship. I'm a childhood trauma survivor, and I refuse to settle for a man who is a narcissist!

That is such a powerful statement. Hearing their repentance but not seeing the fruit of it. 😢 that’s my situation now. I hear that’ll he’ll do better but he can’t tell me how. And when we are talking he gets upset and puts the blame back on me. So there’s no change even at that moment. Very self help podcast I show him to help it’s he doesn’t like it. So essentially he’s not showing me the fruit of his repentance.

I'm in a very painful, difficult season with my mother. This discussion was extremely encouraging and gave me lots to think about & work on. "The Bible has much to say about forgiving, forbearing, holding people accountable, speaking the truth in love, uncovering the unfruitful deeds of darkness...God calls us to be God-centered women and to use him and have HIM as our source of well-being which then gives us the courage to deal with whatever is out there that is scary and hard...versus to have whatever is out there NOT to be scary and hard in order for us to be okay." (Leslie Vernick) >> I'm learning to face the truth about my mom and anchor my hope, contentment, security, and joy in the Lord.

Ty ladies!! you are both truly amazing, kind and full of love. I love you both and am honored that you share your time with all of us❤

Wow! Fantastic podcast. I walked this path and got out 11 years ago. I’m still recovering. Sadly, my children have continued to be manipulated to the point of complete division of the family. This experience led me to working full time in helping women recover from destructive relationships. I can’t wait to dig into the books mentioned.

Even 4 years later, this video is so helpful. I’ve come a LONG, LONG way. It’s been a journey, still is. But this video is so validating. I’ll never forget, my ex told me after we broke up “Remember your momma told you that breaking up with me would be the biggest mistake of your life.” And I will never forget sitting there thinking “I don’t remember that happening and I don’t think my mom would even say something like that. I know she wouldn’t.” But I was so messed up in my head that I really couldn’t remember. He then went and told this to someone older, really respected in our community and they called me and told me that I needed to stop being so controlling. It was a mess. If you can, get out safely. Sooner is better than later. Love and light to everyone. ❤

I thought to come to terms with my marriage, then realized I don’t know the terms! Anything he wants the way he wants it and when. Those are the ever shifting terms. I have begun to operate on my own terms and let him pout, fake sickness, threaten, and try to guilt trip me. Somebody say Praise the Lord

So much this video, thank you. I stayed in a very toxic and abusive marriage far too long, because I thought that if I just did the right things and said the right words it would all help. And people in the church did not know how to manage what I was telling them, so they provided little help. I'm so grateful for the work of Mike Winger, and now this video, to get the word out there about abuse and that you don't have to stay with someone who is abusive. Thank you for this!

My marriage started out in a pool of lies. I’m a codependent married to a minister/ narcissist. I was betrayed/ gaslight/manipulated/coerced. My voice was never heard, I was manipulated by the constant scripture and preaching bombing used as a tool to inflict shame. I will never forget how devastated and ashamed I felt. I know we can’t change them, but with no remorse/ accountability/ repentance, why would that be something anyone would want to stay married in. I have detached emotionally and physically from him, because i love myself enough now and with the Lord Jesus on my side, I can move on. Blessings to all those who are in situations that are destroying you. You are worthy, you are loved. ❤❤

Both of you women have helped me so much with your books while I was experiencing the ultimate marital betrayal by my husband of 30 years while I was fighting stage 4 breast cancer. Leslie's book helped me understand that his affairs were just another form of abuse in a very long list over the years. I am so thankful for the discernment that God gave me using your books. My situation is so very close to what you describe, Lysa.

"Oh the things you do for love" (or what you thought was love or desperately needed to be love). Connected so much with the fear of facing the truth and where that would lead. The reality is, now 10 years later, I realize I was trying to hold onto something that wasn't real love and did end by his choice, not mine. My biggest lessons were facing the truth sooner might have stopped a decade of unneeded pain in mine and my child's life. No one wants to fail In marriage, but what a damaging cost to prolong the inevitable when you know in your heart real love is what one of you is fighting for but the other isn't. Divorce is not easy, but neither is living a lie.

WOW! Now I don't feel crazy! Can't thank you ladies enough.

Thank you so much for this confirmation and validation of the things/red flags and etc that I got prompted to five years ago! Ahhh I can breathe! Keep in mind, five years ago there was no language for what I was going through! I’m so proud knowing there is language today.

Pure wisdom every pastor and judge and attorney and sheriff needs to hear. Reality is, people do lie. They do project virtues they cannot posses or even comprehend. Some do use fear, threats, intimidation and mockery to tear down the individual’s courage and autonomy. If evil didn’t exist, we wouldn’t need laws and systems which protect. 😢

Vibes do not lie. God will show you if there is something real happening, or if it simply PTSD from past experiences and fear of it happening again. Lots of prayer, for sure!

Wow! All of these things happened to me. I'm so thankful God brought me out of my destructive marriage.

Leslie: Fruit of Repentance 1. They're not telling you what to do/think/how you are to respond. 2. They own the patterns that you've seen. If they don't stop & reflect on what you need ... repentance isn't there.

I was married to a narcissist for 20 years, I left one time in the middle of our marriage for about 1 1/2 years and I allowed him to come back in my life because I thought it was the biblical way, I felt like I needed to give him a second chance. I lost myself, became very depressed, did not understand what was going on? He made me feel crazy, he always said I didn’t remember correctly, he always lied about things, I could never have a regular conversation and he could never answer a simple question with a yes or no answer, always an answer that had nothing to do with it. I asked God to show me truth, it hit me like a ton of bricks, got the courage to leave again, I will never go back 🙏🏻💗

This was very helpful. I’m not losing my mind. I’m gaining the understanding that gaslighting is real. That what I’ve dealt with is not anything more than destruction to my soul. 😢 I know I cannot fix, or change what I’m dealing with. Thank you for this video. I’ve been praying and feel that I was led to your video by God leading me here. I’m sick and my body just can’t take anymore. I feel it destroying me. Thank you.

Hard when the man is saying without fruit but deceiving adult children still… thank you for this!

Redflags mentioned here 1. When you feel scared for your safety. Physical or emotional. If you feel afraid to make decisions, afraid to say no... 2. When you are controlled. Eg. Having to ask a husband for permission like a child asks a parent. Micromanaging your life. 3. When you are regularly feeling deceived. It causes you to be unable to trust your partner. 4. When you are regularly devalued. Your opinions, your goals, your needs are regularly ignored. There's one I didn't note down 😅

It is heart breaking to see all the comments about women who are mistreated in their marriage. However, I wish there was more understanding for men who are deprived or mistreated. In my own story, it felt like there was an assumption that if my marriage was in bad shape it must be my fault. This just added on to my confusion because it felt to me like I have been gaslit by my wife for years. She almost had me convinced that I was a horrible abusive person. However, it just made no sense based on the actual events of our marriage. She had abuse in her past and it was like she just expected it from me and so did everyone else. She even admitted that she would push me some times to test if I would be violent, which never happened. She deprived me of so much of what I wanted and should have received from a wife. However, every time I expressed my frustration or anger at the maltreatment I was receiving, she would make me feel abusive just because I was angry. Even though, that anger was not expressed with abusive words or violence.

Thank you so much Lysa & Leslie. Lysa, I keep saying this... You had powerful bible studies before. Then God stepped it up a few notches. I am sorry for your pain, just know you are changing many lives in the process. We then will go on and help save another women's life. The validation is so powerful. I BELIEVE YOU. Lot's didn't care to know the whole story, even counsel. People got bits & pieces if they choose to listen. I felt like no one really cared or truly wanted to know what happened in my home for 25 years. I've always struggled with the proper words for my feelings. I was one of those women who could identify anger, mad, sad and that was about it. Always wondering what's wrong with me? Then having my kids come home and call me the very same names he called me. I am currently writing my testimony out to share one day soon. Both of you have changed my life forever. Thankfully I finally took my friends advice and started listening to Leslie. You both give me so much hope.

And most people devalue someone who IS legitimately controlled. "Um, well, what do you mean that you can't make your own decisions? That's absurd." It's a way of ignoring things that happen in the dark--real things.

Thank you! I wish I had had this video 20 years ago. But it is validating now because the spirit has told me to get divorced. Thank you for putting this in words!

I lived all of the red flags on many different levels and it’s so liberating to hear it in plain language and know my kids and I were right. The Lord had me stay for the long haul bcz I would hear Him tell me to stay and that He would be by my side and take me through it . In the end I was able to serve my husband through all his years of terrible debilitating illness until his death and I’m glad I was able to take good care of him and be there for him. But until his death he was difficult. My kids had told me not to stay at times bcz they also felt his very difficult character. He was a hard worker and took care of us financially, but he was a workaholic, so it was a double edge sword, so on the one hand we couldn’t let him know we needed him, otherwise he blamed us being non appreciative, we all would of wanted much less but more of him, plus all that work and money investing made him a very stressed person and hard to approach.

Leslie is so good at teaching exactly how God is so faithful and responsible in the area of deception. Two things the Holy Spirit told me when I was dealing with this in my marriage one was I can only be deceived to the point I'm willing to deceive myself. Another time when I wanted to see with eyes of Truth and understand everything in a way where I would respond appropriately and not be deceived God told me that I was not ready. I simply said back to him maybe I'm not ready but if you're with me isn't that good enough. That definitely launched within a very short period of time a great exposure in my life. That exposure left me feeling lost like I woke up on a raft in the middle of the ocean with no compass but he was with me. Leslie's statement what is your problem with his problem is so true to keeping us locked in a box of Deceit.

Thank you! I wish I would have heard this so many years ago. The destruction is real, me and my children are still trying to heal 🙏🏻

"True love seeks the highest good of the other" TRUE!

Thank you so so much for this Divinely led conversation. I'm in tears, not only because of the acceptance and the comfort but also the confirmation and clarity. I'm going to look for an online Christian community to help my healing now because nobody around me understands what I went through (narcissistic abuse), let alone can help me through this healing journey. God bless you two❤

Oh wow so good. I never thought about asking to look at his cell phone in that way. I’ve always been told by him “why do you want to see my phone I’ve never asked to see yours”. I usually retort with I always said you could and I have nothing to hide. Even our adult children know my passcode. Also like thinking of looking at my life God centered rather than marriage centered. So much good advice in this session.

The two ladies that have been such a help to me in my confusion and healing are together talking! Love this ! Thank you

“So God might be giving you enough space before knowing the truth to have enough space for you to build up the courage to face the truth.” Spot on Leslie. About to begin my 3rd year in Conquer, Conquering all kinds of hard truths. I am noticing a difference between myself and other women years out of abuse who did not do their work but let stuff happen and just reacted. In order to get strong enough to say “Enough!” there are all kinds of lies of thinking that I had to start with getting truth on about human value before I could face the fact another person really was capable of stopping what they were doing but refused to. If you are at the beginning of this journey of realisation then “Be strong and of courage for the Lord will be with you wherever you go.” Josh 1:9

Omg it’s like you are hitting every part of the relationship that I just recently got out of! He was a gaslighter to the full extent!

This was soooo helpful and healing. Thank you for bringing this conversation to the world 🙌🏼🙏🏼💕🌺

I went through a marriage like this, I wish these resources would have been brought to me when I was going through it. ❤ I'm so grateful this out there now. ❤

No fail . God has taken me out of my darkest moments 🙏

This was me too. I stopped communicating with friends. It was how these men kept me. I don’t want this ever again. I am just now reaching out to friends again. I pray I heal from believing the lies of the enemy through these relationships from my past. These men also told me things like,” you’re not my desire in a woman. No man will ever want you.” All this was so I would stay trapped.❤️🦋

One thing that wasn’t touched on is that women need to have a way to make a living so they have the funds to make good choices so they can go out on their own and know they can provide for themselves. It’s amazing how faith building that is! Be wise. Don’t share your plans. Just do them! I had my own money so I had the blessing to be Anne to Jesse am abusive unfaithful marriage. All praise to the Lord! 🥰❤️🥰

The guest speaker/psychologist brilliantly recommends looking at his cell phone, checking accounts, and asking about whereabouts. This is a practice real Christian men embrace with their entire family. I know a man of God who along with his wife and even their children resort to accountability strategies in place with their accounts in order to safeguard one another in a very risky world. Too many valuables to protect to live blindly! People want that accountability, too! People who want to love sincerely. In that example of the man of God, their children even have access to their parents' Facebook accounts! Incredible. Such an awesome man to welcome and promote honesty among his family. God bless! Interesting discussion.

It so important to get a trusted church to support you that can be very undermining to your progress to stand up

It’s so exciting to see this new series!! And SO SO SO SO relevant and necessary in my life; now and my entire history. Thank you Thank you!!! 🙏🏼♥️

This video is absolutely spot on and a God send. You helped me process so much in this short video five years later. WOW! blessings to you both. Thank you for having the courage to share this Lisa and Leslie. So very helpful.

This has been such a great word for me. Thank you! I’ve been living in a destructive relationship with my husband and have been “frozen” for very long. I’ll be listening again and looking into the resources you have recommended. And a counselor. Thank you again.

I just found this channel what a blessing.

Yes and Amen! 🥰 I learned so much in Leslie Vernick’s Core course and group. Thank you both, sooo much!!! 🙏🏻 Blessings overflowing to both of you, your families and your ministries! 🕊 You are both such a huge Blessing to me, and to the peoples of this world. 🕊

How do you use logic and reason when dealing with a narcissist? I have found porn too many times on my husband's computer. One particular time he was absolutely caught. He couldn't lie his way out this time. He was angry for getting caught, took zero responsibility. He even placed blame on the person who showed him the porn at the age of 8! I was stunned.

Thanks for sharing your story this spoke to me and where I am at.

So thankful for this, ladies! "Source of secret sorrow"....I can totally relate to this statement!

She helped me too!! I give Leslie’s resource out often with women who ask for help. I love having her to give to others because she has so much wisdom and experience and she cares for us ladies!

SO HELPFUL!!!!!! Thank you so much!

This was so very helpful! Thank you for offering this to us! It truly is a great blessing. ❤

Thank you so much 🙏

This is amazing to hearing that I am not crazy and that it is ok to trust the inner thoughts and actions of my own spouse. Thank you for talking and sharing!

I went through most of the things these ladies spoke about. I finally got the courage to leave. I was literally dying emotionally. It hurt to leave but I know this pain is temporary. If I had stayed, the pain would have been for the rest of my life. I finally chose me! I just made the decision 2 weeks ago, finding this video is so impactful as I just started my healing journey. 😢

I’ve had many abusive relationships. Five marriages, and God has helped me and my husband through this trial. From my failed relationships, I’ve been learning how to deal with people, children, and my husband. Really the Lord can help us through fear, anger, and regain your peace.

Really answered many questions TY

Thank you 😍 exactly how I felt and thought!!

So good.