Disaster in California | How a Wrong Turn Caused this Plane to Crash into Lake Berryessa 

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@Odyssey 80 what do you mean?

@@sunnyfon9065 there isn't anything bad about the channel

yeah was thinking the same thing, although maybe it's just the animation and in real life the water wasn't there or landable.

Whats bad is the mark left on this aircraft. Even though it turned out to be pilot error.

Yeah, a pilot with thousands of hours of flight experience and who was familiar with this canyon should have listened to some clown on the internet.

@@veryslyfox His ‘experience’ killed him. I know the dangers of flying into a blind canyon. That pilot was clueless. Apparently so are you. If I was flying I would have lived. If you followed in that inept pilot’s footsteps you would have crashed. I wonder why you are defending a pilot that made a massive blunder.

@@veryslyfox He likely turned up this canyon by mistake. And he most certainly could and should have landed straight ahead on the water. It just goes to show that even experienced pilots are human and can make mistakes.

Its the first thing I thought about. Why risk it, land if it was that much of a problem.

I know this lake well. From the entrance to Portuguese canyon, a left turn takes you through a narrow passage into the main body of the lake. That is where they were planning to go. That narrow passage to the lake body looks very similar to where Portuguese canyon narrows then dead ends at the north. The pilot likely didn't know he was flying into the canyon until he saw the end of the water and the steep hills at which point it would have been too late to land, with the only option being to attempt a U-turn. Also, that left turn is easy to miss. It looks a lot like one of the many dead end canyons.

So today Jim the mission is to make *the captain* puke. Go and fill the tank of a blackhawk will you.

@@haranglouis5252 Mission failed. You cannot make me yak. I am an offshore fisherman. I'm the guy who lights up the stogie when everyone else is turning green.

nice

Wtf is vansh

@@royaldragon1175 Vansh is my NAME

V4N5H oh sorry I didn’t know

I’m sorry, did all onboard lose their lives? It is too fast to read & after all. that is more important than the aircraft performance in the end.

The only problem is MFS has problems with realism. For bigger planes, I'm going to assume he'd have to use XPlane. I understand the graphics match it, so it would be a better experience for us viewers, but in terms of making the video, he'd struggle with the handling. Also, the fact that you can't replay with different angles might affect the time. Plus, MFS has lots of buttons inside bigger planes without functional properties. Not good for the first-person reconstruction like IFR details that he added in XPlane vids. So, there are pros and cons, but depending on how you look at it MFS doesn't exactly match TFC's video style (which I'm sure we all love).

Sadly, he used FSX and P3D with shaders

True.

@@nokilhot3550 the game just came out it's improving the reason x plane's planes are so good it's been out for years

@@Atmostyx I guess we could wait...

Me too

The Rotax engine is a very popular and successful aircraft power plant. Sadly this crash was caused by pilot error.

Tom Wilson lmfao

Really try standing like that during summer when temperatures is above 50 degree Celsius or in winter when the temperature is -30 degree Celsius.

And he routinely fails doing it. Countless times he has ended up inside my propeller.

mohammad zohorul winter would be way easier

@@britishairways744 depends on where you live.

He's already using a 2080ti..... I don't think it gets better than that

@@zarakdurrani7584 Until next month when the 3000 range come out

@@zarakdurrani7584 If he's using a 2080ti, I feel sorry for him lmao

Mudbill He bought it ages ago at least, but a 3080 would be a lot better for frames

Again I'm seeing this in the comments a lot... I'm not sure most of you are familiar with flight sims but IFR antics are going to have to require XPlane. So I don't know if he will be using MFS for bigger planes or not.

And it can even land on water and snow!

You can see the BMW designers influence. The gauge cluster and touchscreen are very reminiscent of a BMW.

lol yeah it really does.Especially the interior

Wouldn't buy it though. If the performance was so bad it couldn't even fly out of that canyon I wouldn't buy a flying car. It's awesome don't get me wrong, but I want an airplane, not a car.

@@nokilhot3550 Yup. I wouldn't go anywhere near those mountains at that altitude in that airplane. Even if nothing went wrong, the pilot was teaching the passenger horrible decision making.

I'm tired of responding to these comments so it's the last time i'll say it; IFR does not like MFS, MFS does not like IFR.

Ist das wirklich passiert

@@dwno.guilien Ja, wurde doch am Anfang gesagt.

@@dwno.guilien ja, ist sogar in Wikipedia: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICON_A5#Zwischenf%C3%A4lle

Wolfgang Mahringer da steht es bei Zwischenfälle aber nicht Direckt nur dieses Unglück und beide Personen an Bord sie gestorben

That was the pilot's mistake, attempting to stay over the lake when the aircraft could have easily climbed to safety flying out the back of the canyon. As best I can tell from my Northern California DeLorme Atlas, although the _walls_ of the canyon are steep, the gradient of the creek only rises another 100 meters in the next 1.2 miles, well within the A5's published climb rate: doc8643.com/aircraft/A5

tfc?

Sorry but you are incorrect here. There is no need to file a flight plan if you are on a local flight in VFR conditions. The mistake here was the low altitude. He could have flown the same route at a safe altitude and everything would have been fine.

This is the second Icon crash I’ve seen. It’s being marketed as a sports vehicle, rather than a plane, so I think there’s a false sense of reality going on there..that somehow the basic rules of aviation don’t apply.

@@virginiaviola5097 Exactly! It's another case of "just because you can afford it and legally use it doesn't mean you're skillfully qualified to"

@@virginiaviola5097 I heard from a case study by the youtube channel : AVweb (really great youtube channel) that he mentioned that the Icon A5 provided a false sense of security and "invincibility" due to the AOA indicator being expressed as a revolutionary indicator and that their commecials and videos even suggested you could fly off it alone. BIG mistake imo, As a pilot of even a smaller aircraft, PPL training should be a must since it shows people who dont respect/know the laws and physics of aviation how to understand why these accidents happen and how to avoid them. *edited for grammar lol

@@potatopilot1699 true, if you are in the air you are in the air, and physics and the laws of gravity apply, irregardless of what you are flying.

Or became disoriented/incapacitated for some reason and the non-pilot was left to fend for himself.

Anyone can make a mistake, hours on type is no guarantee against that.

@@jamescaley9942 As a pilot, there are certain types of mistakes that I will NEVER make. Because those things are always at the front if my mind, a permanent part of my psyche. Because I make myself stay afraid of the fatal consequences. There are no excuses in aviation, just incident reports.

Timothy Campbell And yet- you can still make a mistake. MOST accidents in General Aviation are caused by pilot error. Even the most experience professional pilots sometimes make simple mistakes. The attitude that it ‘won’t happen to me’ because I am more careful is a primary attribution error, and is the very mentality that causes pilot error mishaps. This aircraft was flying the same route the company took nearly all customers on. Flying low to the water the way a hundred kit Fox and carbon cub pilots do every day. This day, the pilot took what he thought was the canyon that lead to the larger area of the lake where he was planning to land the aircraft on the water... instead he turned one canyon too soon and ended up in Portuguese cove- by the time he saw he was in the wrong cove, he did not have enough water in front of him to land so he tried to climb. Realizing he couldn’t clear the surrounding hills he tried a 180, but had to cut back on power to make the bank sharper and so lost altitude as he turned. Coming out of the turn he was descending and tried to gain enough airspeed to climb out of the descent... but ran out of altitude. Sadly, had his first instinct not been to climb, he might have been able to set it down hard on the water and run her aground before running out of wet... certainly destroying the aircraft and likely being serious injured, but at least perhaps surviving. Much faster and easier to DROP 50 feet when you only have 56kts - than to climb 700 feet... But then, MOSt pilots who get themselves killed were killed by their first instinct.

@@christopherpardell4418 Good point. "It won't happen to me because I am more careful" is true only when one is indeed actually more careful.

Arrogance.

The decision to land is done after he sees suddenly the end of the lake (2500 feet at best) while still being at 450 feet.

Same😆

Yep. Didn't have the power.

More 'don't ride your lamb in tiger country' . . .

He took a risk in flying low, doesn't discredit the concept at all. A parachute accident does not discredit the concept of parachuting for recreation.

@@jamescaley9942 It does if it was a crappy parachute.

@@jamescaley9942 Fun is good! :) Adventure and being able to get close to beautiful places are wonderful, and I bet this plane is a great machine for that, as long as the person who flies it remembers that it's neither a snowmobile nor the high-performance aircraft they've flown before. RIP...

Flight simulator programmes are freely available to buy... all you have to is get good at using it them simulate the characteristics of the various crashes using all available details.. Lol sounds easy but I'm guessing it's not.

Hi blancolirio...Do you think these sport planes should even be allowed to fly unless its in an uninhabited area with no other air traffic ? thx.

@@sl123sl yh

World be great if that thing had some 10000ft/min climb performance... well, maybe not that much, but it seems to me that this a/c has inadequate climb performance for its designed to be used for.

Idk why when using msfs2020 flying smaller planes like they are so easy to maneuver and thats not realistic i mean yeah small planes can maneuver better than big planes but they are so fragile

Is that ms flight simulator?

To flight channel, the John Denver idea is a good one

I don't think he was in a plane. it was one of those kites with an engine.

@@MrYfrank14 I thought he was in a Long EZ or something similar.

It was a long easy it had been built with the throttle directly behind him, so he couldn't get to it fast enough and he ran out of fuel. Before he left the airport maintenance tried to get him to refill his tanks, but he refused. That seems so ridiculous that he would do that, but that's the main reason many pilots die, they don't ever think it can happen to me

Thanks for the help with the aircraft, my uncle, who is a flight instructor and also trained me, said that they are some of the most dangerous aircraft to fly. This is due to cramped cockpit, and its not faa certified.

That’s what I can’t work out

Yeah that seems like the obvious thing. Also he overshot the turn. He could could have lined up with the water right before the crash. At least that’s how it looks to a non pilot.

Pilot just want to impress his passenger,new employee, rest in peace,..two of us riding airplane on our way back home..to heavenly body..

Well, that's a deceiving marketing slogan (and a fatal too); for private leisure non-pro or commercial flight I get it they would simplify things but at least build the plane with enough power to climb a f'n canyon UNDER ALMOST PERFECT WEATHER; the pilot could have attempted a water landing giving the fact they advertise the plane as aquatic too

Well, the pilot certainly made an impact that's for sure.

Yes this accident wasn’t because of the plane, It’s a really good model maybe the pilot got a bit overconfident with the water landing feature

This is why flight plans are vital. This is why these videos are educational.

Y u p

Well said, I teach that to every single one of my students.

K

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@@martinc.720 yep i found thousands of these comments

@@martinc.720 ignore the redditard that wooshed u

was a weird story. those things cant fly at at that altitude nor at 300 mph. the only thing that can do that is the Dubai rocket man, and I doubt it was him.

He probably has to crash first....

@@khoado2060 from the story ""Person in a jetpack reported 300 yards south of the LA final at about 3,000 feet, 10-mile final," the controller said." the worlds only jetpack can fly half that height for 8 mins most

X X nonsense. Experience is merely a measure of the amount of flying a person has undergone coupled with the number of different situations and planes he’s been in. An experienced pilot could become reckless OR he could learn to be methodical, detail oriented and prone to planning his flights. Merging experience and danger is just stupid.

Breeknow You need human factors training ...... and when you’re done , you’ll delete your comment .

Duncan D McGrath So, experience = danger. Got it. SMH

Duncan D McGrath btw crm trained, baby. So shut the f up.

@@breeknow AOPA has a writer that made the very same point... the ICON A5 has a problem with killing experienced pilots, because the aircraft handles so well that they forget that it's bleeding close to it's limits while handling *that well*. Airspeed low, need just a little more power... whoops, you were already getting 95% and now you're f*cked because you boxed yourself in a corner with no exit. Long story short, pilots used to trusting other airplanes in ways that you can't trust this one, finding themselves caught in their own trap.

INDIA!!! ❤💙💜💚💛

He couldn't determine the direction of the area he spotted to land. The co-pilot should have assisted as a spotter . Overall the issue was pilot error. He just didn't have enough altitude to correct his heading due to distance. ..

@DRESDEN 411 I'll be honest. It's funny until it happens to you. Hopefully they walked away.

@@kimroberson8376 It says at the end they were both killed.

@@rickl6697I didn't catch that. Hopefully people will learn a valuable lesson from this tragic mistake. .

Kim Roberson: There was no copilot. The passenger had no flying credentials whatsoever.

You are right! My brother in law has flown as a bush pilot in Alaska and all over the western U.S. Years ago I started lessons with him but quit. I still remember him saying, know where you are going and if you're not sure you can get out, don't go in. Flying is for knowing, not guessing !

I don't know who you are, but I can confidently say this pilot was more experienced than you, period. Sometimes highly experienced pilots make mistakes. Do you really think this pilot didn't know to avoid flying into canyons you can't fly out of? The mistake wasn't knowing that, it was making a wrong turn. Show some respect.

@@TheBeefBaron being more experienced in that airplane isn’t saying much and I maybe mistaken, but isn’t that lake where they do all their flight testing etc? Pilot should know that place pretty well. That thing is basically a jet ski with wings. BTW you come across sounding like you work for them

I think by making a real impact on the world they literally meant it - make an impact into the world, by crashing into it.

Nokil Hotrun Well to be fair, that was my joke-the company founder didn’t actually say anything about having an “impact”. That was one of the parts I made up as a way to (darkly) parody what he said. But the fact my joke/parody version seems like something the company really might have said is mildly terrifying, in terms of how seriously they take aviation safety in creating their aircraft, marketing it, training people to fly it, etc.

I don't know how that has anything to do with the crash... it was pilot error, the vehicle itself was not at fault at all.

Shannon McCrary I’m not saying it does; at least not directly. I just thought that the founder’s quote (which he said when the aircraft was introduced) suggested a bit of apathy toward safe aviation. If you release an airplane to compete in the same market as ATVs and motorcycle, rather than with other airplanes, it shouldn’t come as a shock when people fly it like an ATV. (I believe the late Hall-of-Fame MLB pitcher Roy Halladay was also flying an Icon pretty recklessly in his fatal crash, although he was also under the influence of drugs at the time.)

They used the word “interact” with your world. As in impact at high enough speed to kill the occupants.

geoh7777 sounds like a lawnmower

@@sherriquinley8100 Has the horsepower of a lawnmower too!