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Disc Caps Suck & Bumble Bees Rule 

patfurlan
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sprauge bumble bee vs .02 disc cap .... No contest

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@orbitaljellyfish808
@orbitaljellyfish808 2 года назад
That vid years ago set me off on a quest The quest is complete, and sounds great Thanks👏👏
@cuttyshark
@cuttyshark 3 года назад
I truly appreciate your efforts doing this test, however, when I recorded all 4 impulses into audacity and plotted the responses, the Bumblebee strums were significantly louder (nearly 6 db) than the disc.
@patfurlan
@patfurlan 3 года назад
exactly what my VU meter showed louder and fatter all the way through, that's part of the effect... you think I'm pulling your leg but .. the whole note is fatter and more dynamic...that's the behavior the bumble bee is noted for
@shawnyoung8006
@shawnyoung8006 3 года назад
Please put up the next experiment!!
@patfurlan
@patfurlan 3 года назад
a short clip just went up
@voxpathfinder15r
@voxpathfinder15r 3 года назад
I took out the ceramic caps in my nephews ‘04 Gibson SG and installed mojotone vitamin T paper in oil caps. On a suggestion I wired them in backwards with reference to their shielding. The difference in tone was no contest compared to the ceramic. But there is a guy online here and he tried to show there was no difference in sound. I don’t understand how some guys get no difference and I experienced massive difference
@patfurlan
@patfurlan 3 года назад
this video does not do the effect justice ... but if you listen to the "meat" of the bumble bee tone at about 7 seconds ...the "sound" is substantially more massive ... and that's what makes the fun... it's also worth noting that when you hit harder the effects are more pronounced
@voxpathfinder15r
@voxpathfinder15r 3 года назад
@@patfurlan do you get the same swirling tremolo effects as well with the bumble bee vs. the ceramic? When I wired the Vitamin T pio backwards, the swirling was more dramatic
@voxpathfinder15r
@voxpathfinder15r 3 года назад
I wonder if this also would help those interstage dc blocking caps in amps as well?
@patfurlan
@patfurlan 3 года назад
Great Idea someone should try that :)
@voxpathfinder15r
@voxpathfinder15r 3 года назад
@@patfurlan I had a second thought about that. There have been many stories about how certain caps improve the tone of certain amps. But if you set up the tone at the guitar like you have, does it make mod’ing an amp not necessary?
@Lu_Woods
@Lu_Woods 3 года назад
nice demo...can't argue with the fun factor ; ) cheers
@zander1323
@zander1323 3 года назад
I'd been looking for that capacitor comparison! I was wondering where you went. I concluded you removed it. I was sad... I also noticed that you removed your wah-wah mods video too. I loved that video. Can you put it back?
@patfurlan
@patfurlan 3 года назад
Those videos are 480p so I have been retiring them
@zander1323
@zander1323 3 года назад
@@patfurlan LOL - weren't there others you could have retired first?
@66g0yy
@66g0yy 3 года назад
Are you from Windsor Ontario Canada, need little 5 watt help, old Garnet,Gnome.
@patfurlan
@patfurlan 3 года назад
No but I know lots of Windsor people :)
@HANDBALLDIEHARD
@HANDBALLDIEHARD 3 года назад
Cool idea but , You show different type caps but you do not show us the actual true value of each, just because they may all be labeled for ex .022 ? they can be actually not equal in strength. 1st verify, you would need a dozen or so to pick and chose from to get ones that are close enough , within 1 percent of each other to eliminate that aspect before testing. So was this test actually meaningful otherwise? Difference in the tone and harmonic content is purely a perception for the most part, not something you can prove with this kinda lab experiment and equipment, you would need thousands of dollars of signal analysis gear to undertake it. and to conduct a fair and unbiased listening test also, you would need a 2nd person to switch out the caps randomly to eliminate any bias or expectation that can effect your conclusions. A blind fold test . if you can then tell a difference , and even maybe tell which cap is being tested , then you have confirmed to yourself that your not imagining. when attempting to technically prove differences think out your tests to more detail. i did a similar listening test with ceramic , orange drop ,polyester film, and mustard caps and the orange drop and the mustard ,i liked the best, for tone cap , so i agree that there is a difference but it can be true value of the cap that throws off perception and performance also. Just to throw another confusion factor in the mix i have also found that the polarity or flipping the caps leads can effect the tone, especially with rolled film caps , but not to the extent of different types , so check the polarity too , i notice a warmer rich tone one way vs the other with some caps , especially in active circuits where there is dc voltage blocking occurring. But i find this topic of interest and your definitely onto something alot of guitarist contemplate when modifying , or maximizing their guitars ! PS do you know the guitar cable you use can effect your tone too, test measure the capacitance of some guitar cables unpluged ,open circuit , you will find they have appreciable hidden capacitance sucking or softening the tone . the longer the higher the value and types brands all will possibly change your perception. So to combat that i always test with the shortest available length to lesson its effect !
@patfurlan
@patfurlan 3 года назад
I edit out a lot of stuff to keep things 5 minutes, my cap tester says they are all .022.... it's also worth noting that caps sound slightly different when reversed ...the outer layer is a shield but they are often marked wrong
@HANDBALLDIEHARD
@HANDBALLDIEHARD 3 года назад
@@patfurlan .When i tested caps to see the difference i did so at the tone pot , and compared at full tone half and at zero. to check for any perceivable differences, , no real effect on sustain ,i did find minor differences in the filtering strength and and differences in the top end still present when engaged , , which one i like best , gave nicer tones. I think i see you attached the caps with an alligator clip in series with a resistor to ground or hot , i guess a 500k to simulate the tone control on full ? Your telling people that a ceramic cap is reducing the sustain? Here is a test for you , 1st eliminate or at least reduce your test setups static , next test with no cap , that give the max sustain time , next test without the cap , directly connect the resistor ,clip to the hot , that would give the max electrical coupling braking action on the strings sustain , there are your low and high limits , then see where each cap lies between those 2 extremes , to tell which one is better than the other if there is sustain wise ? from your video the guitar sound seems to decays about the same , at 18 sec no mater which cap, the guitar sound level i'm listening for gets drowned out by the static background noise, is that case wired to the hot ? shouldn't be noisy at all , you should stay in contact with the guitar too , that reduces the static you know ? hope you appreciate my detailed feedback about this test , thats all it is , keep tinkering and finding out the mysteries of tone , we both love tone that is for sure !
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