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@diseabronx5075
@diseabronx5075 3 месяца назад
Nux the entire existence of the Sisters of Battle is because the Ecclesicarchy wasn’t allowed to keep men at arms. Thus the iconography of Nuns with guns.
@big_daddy_d1547
@big_daddy_d1547 3 месяца назад
Yeah sure but you also wanna forget the fact that caught toe to toe against the impirial fists AND HELD femstodies are a stupid change made by investors for politics
@AgentSapphire
@AgentSapphire 3 месяца назад
I kinda love how the Ecclesiarch got around the whole "you're not supposed to have a standing army" by saying "Wait wait! Technically it says no MEN under arms... So bolter bitches (affectionate) are fine!" They are one of the more interesting factions in warhammer, having more parallels with chaos in their concepts than even the space marines. Which makes sense with the emperor being this massively powerful warp presence now.
@erikrungemadsen2081
@erikrungemadsen2081 3 месяца назад
It also sort of explains the sisters boob plates in the armor, personally my fellings On the retcon is. “I am not going to buy female Custodes, but i was not buying male Custodes either, you Don’t wan’t them in your army, Don’t buy them. But i have Games Workshop shares in my retirement savings, so i whenever GW puls a D-bag move on the players i take it as a plus for my savings in the long run, must admit i have been a long slog since they announced Warhammer+ til now. But Warhammer+ and GW chasing of “Text to speech” was a worse hit to the stock than this is.
@viktorgabriel2554
@viktorgabriel2554 2 месяца назад
@@erikrungemadsen2081 hope you are looking forward it falling further when they force more unnecessary politics in to the hobby
@Derrad333
@Derrad333 3 месяца назад
WHY DID THEY NOT EXPAND THE SISTERS OF SILENCE?!?! IT HAS BEEN 40 YEARS AND THEY BARELY MENTION THEM, AND THEY ARE SO COOL.
@williamburton757
@williamburton757 3 месяца назад
Because its not about making sense or even money - it's about pushing an agenda.
@Malisteen
@Malisteen 3 месяца назад
because there's not a lot to the sisters of silence and their hyper-specialized core concept kind of makes it difficult to meaningfully expand on them. Not every faction in 40k even includes psychers, and few include more than one or two, do you really need multiple different units of anti-psyker specialists? Female custodes being a thing isn't mutually exclusive with expanding sos. they didn't do this change /instead/ of expanding sos.
@arturzinurov4781
@arturzinurov4781 3 месяца назад
They are basically the female equivalent of custodies too so the stupid DIE score should be fulfilled anyway and fans would’ve been actually happy
@jakobmikota1543
@jakobmikota1543 3 месяца назад
My Theorie: Amazon was like "Yes, while those ARE indeed Women in Power amor, we cannot feature them in the Series." "Why?" "Sisters of SILENCE probably wont talk much and we are not creative enough to make that work."
@vitaliyred622
@vitaliyred622 3 месяца назад
Because they do not care. It is about pushing the message and taking the most powerful position and there is no more powerful thing in Imperium that custodians….if you forget sisters of silence exist.
@beowulf2715
@beowulf2715 3 месяца назад
I love how he gave himself a brief rundown of Warhammer lore just so he can understand the drama. As a Warhammer player mad respect.
@MrLuzakman
@MrLuzakman 3 месяца назад
Drinker didn't...
@SymbioteMullet
@SymbioteMullet 3 месяца назад
@@MrLuzakman Because Drinker is all about selling The Message....
@TiredDoktor6391
@TiredDoktor6391 3 месяца назад
@MrLuzakman You have no idea. That man plays 40k regularly
@vitaliyred622
@vitaliyred622 3 месяца назад
He still doesn’t get it though it seems
@vitaliyred622
@vitaliyred622 3 месяца назад
@@MrLuzakmanhe did though, he is correct on almost everything
@jamiep9991
@jamiep9991 3 месяца назад
Erda: hey big E! Look what I made, female yandere night lords! Big E: .... shut it down, burn all of this research immediately.
@acrab6527
@acrab6527 3 месяца назад
the existence of female night lords is more than enough reason to not have female space marines.
@LoneSilverW0lf
@LoneSilverW0lf 3 месяца назад
I’ll take working under Angron or Peter Turbo over that.
@theclown3967
@theclown3967 3 месяца назад
I'll go to my grave saying Erda could have been named, but never appeared. Have her writings appear in a long forgotten vault during the Heresy. Keep her mysterious. GW made the Fall of the Imperium the fault of a woman who voluntarily made her children fatherless. Lmao
@alekjanowski9847
@alekjanowski9847 2 месяца назад
@@LoneSilverW0lf I might be a Lamenter player, but holy shit - I'm opening the gates for the Iron Warriors for this one...
@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561
@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561 21 день назад
@@theclown3967 Art mirrors reallity I guess
@honestmountain3916
@honestmountain3916 3 месяца назад
"The emperor was not a good guy" 🤔 Is that heresy I am hearing?
@TiredDoktor6391
@TiredDoktor6391 3 месяца назад
There is a time to larp Now is not that time
@corvus_armatura7595
@corvus_armatura7595 3 месяца назад
Nah. He definitely ain't a good guy towards any xeno, heretic or mutant. That's why he's got my vote XD
@philomathist6899
@philomathist6899 3 месяца назад
Heresy detected!
@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561
@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561 3 месяца назад
​@@TiredDoktor6391 It is not the larp. The Emperor was a GOOD man. Get that through your skull.
@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561
@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561 3 месяца назад
​@@corvus_armatura7595 Xenos are Xenos. They are guilty of existing and they deserve to die or kneel before Humanity as our servants. And Mutants? As long as they do not defile the sanctity of human form too far and prove useful they will be tolerated.
@mikehawk8984
@mikehawk8984 3 месяца назад
The biggest thing that's confusing as a WH40K fan is that we've never had a problem with women being a part of our most beloved factions. The Sisters of Silence serving ALONGSIDE the Custodes in protection of the Emperor, the Adepta Sororitas that are litterally battle nuns that drop fucking churches onto the battlefield, there are female Inquisitors who have more power than anyone else in the Imperium, and not to mention a major plot point in one of the Caiphus Cain novels is about an entirely female regiment of the Astra Militarum having to be reintegrated into a new company with the Valhallen Winter Soldiers after a Tyranid attack. We already have canonically badass women that are universally loved and actually make sense in the lore, so why the fuck are they just throwing all of that out for some shallow pandering to people who would never be a part of the hobby regardless of how inclusive you made it? Not to mention that WH40K is a universe where litterally every faction is their own shade of heinous evil, why would it make sense to be inclusive while they're a fascioust, religious zealot state? 😂😂
@Kekkersboy
@Kekkersboy 3 месяца назад
I wouldn't call it the Emperor being inclusive. Remember Custodes aren't mass produced. It's all based on individual merit and If someone is found that could make a good custodes, then they'll do it. There's no Geneseed or implants. Custodes are just baseline humans genetically altered to be the best of humanity. They're Human+ so gender doesn't factor in really.
@vitaliyred622
@vitaliyred622 3 месяца назад
Because it is about pushing “the message” everywhere and in everything.
@outbreakperfected9374
@outbreakperfected9374 3 месяца назад
I see it differently. The Custodes represent what the Emperor wanted all of humanity to become (or at least a prototype of it), and half of humanity is female; so female custodians make sense considering what they represent. This change also further distances the custodes from the astartes, which i think helps since i have seen way too many people who think that Custodes are fancy golden space marines (they are not. They represent different things, have different purposes, and are made in different ways. The only thing in common is that they are huge people in bulky power armor.). The SoS were introduced with the out-of-universe reason of balancing out the sausagefest that the (at the time) all male custodes were, like the SoB did for the Space Marines. In-universe the SoS help the custodes against psychic or daemonic threats as the custodes are not psykers nor blanks; but they are not custodes themselves, they are not part of the whole "prototype of the future humans" thing. Now that the custodes have been changed to also include female members (a very small change to the lore, as the writers were pushing for this for a long time so they kept the entire process of creation of a custodes purposefully gender-neutral) it's the SoS that need an overhaul, now that they no longer need to fill the "female representation in the emperor's talons" role alongside the "anti-psyker unit" role. The way i would like to see this done is by getting more lore for the non-custodes talons of the emperor, and add to this cathegory an all-male fighting force to restore balance: From male custodes + female SoS To Male force + female SoS + neutral Custodes Which is even better than before imo. My proposal for this new force would be an elite division of the Lucifer Blacks (mortal guards of the imperial palace) in power armor similar to that of the SoS. If they are not genetically modified, then males having better physical attributes due to genetics is a great excuse to make them all male. Add to this a reasonable lore reason for the SoS to be all female (my proposal is to make the pariah gene that makes them blanks tied to the X chromosome, meaning that it would be more common/potent in women since they have 2. So women with weaker pariah genes on the level of what men can have and male pariahs are sent to become culexus assassins, while women with the strong variant of the pariah genes become SoS), and you are golden (heh).
@theposhdinosaur7276
@theposhdinosaur7276 3 месяца назад
@@outbreakperfected9374 In the end I also do think that female custodes aren't completely irredeemable, as there is indeed lore to back up the idea. The issue is that this lore wasn't put front and center to justify it. GW could have easily pointed to custodians being the emperor's vision of the "future human" whereas the space marines were little more than his new and improved thunder warriors.
@callumfinlayson-palmer8393
@callumfinlayson-palmer8393 2 месяца назад
Compaining about custodues having women is like comparing the imperial guard have women. There no actual reason for the barrier to exist.
@ryanwight9116
@ryanwight9116 3 месяца назад
My big thing about all this crap is “why would you want female space marines when you have the Sisters of Silence and Sisters of Battle exist”
@ryanodom6101
@ryanodom6101 3 месяца назад
Agreed. “So now there are female Custodes? Why do you care so much?!?” *why did it matter that there weren’t any female Custodes before? What has been improved?*
@TiredDoktor6391
@TiredDoktor6391 3 месяца назад
Yeah, why would you want them (female marines) when you have badass female characters in their own seperate and independent faction?
@Underworlddream
@Underworlddream 3 месяца назад
It the power of the name and what it represents, that why we are not seeing the Sister of Battle and Silence get a new specialized unit that upgrade to be a superhuman version of their regular units that similar but not necessarily the same as space marine. They would rather be given the more important iconic thing that they can stamp their face on then try to used something that exist or build up to anything similar but don't have the same recognition.
@acrab6527
@acrab6527 3 месяца назад
Because drinker's right. They do not want things. They just don't want YOU to have things.
@vitaliyred622
@vitaliyred622 3 месяца назад
Because they want the ideological capture of EVERY media, everything has to be changed. They do not care about nothing but poster Boys.
@rhianking3923
@rhianking3923 3 месяца назад
Nux the dark age unifiers are the flawed thunder warriors. The custodes were the cleanup crew who took care of the thousands of unstable frothing super warriors with the fire discipline of a cop hearing a falling acorn
@GojiraFan-in9oo
@GojiraFan-in9oo 3 месяца назад
The problem isn't the retcon itself The PROBLEM is that the retcon has NO SUBSTANCE, NO WARRANTY, and NO PURPOSE in the actual mythos
@justinkyp
@justinkyp 3 месяца назад
literally every gw retcon ever - thats why this whole discourse is so stupid and just people culture warring over a setting they know nothing about nor care about
@xTunafishx
@xTunafishx 3 месяца назад
As an ex DC, ex Doctor Who fan I can tell you. They don't give a shit about your lore.
@sorufa888
@sorufa888 3 месяца назад
That’s most retcons in 40k
@lankyfcukenjames
@lankyfcukenjames 3 месяца назад
​@Get-me-out-of-Gacha-hell we don't want gw to make the emperor bi so that you can get your rocks off
@MrLuzakman
@MrLuzakman 3 месяца назад
@Get-me-out-of-Gacha-hell it's self-perpetuated mechanism. People get mad about things they imagined themselves and in process imagine even more bullshit
@fabioeliasreisritter8827
@fabioeliasreisritter8827 3 месяца назад
0:04 "Everything I needed to know" oh nux, my sweet, sweet summer child... You'd need a degree in lore basics, a masters in lore connoisseur, a lot of summer camps dedicated to understanding only the horus heresy and that'd be just the start That's a joke, but for real... It's too much stuff
@thinhnguyen7292
@thinhnguyen7292 3 месяца назад
Nux are you serious saying that you didn't record your reaction to 40k lore for us?
@NoiseTheSilent
@NoiseTheSilent 3 месяца назад
"I spent hours researching Warhammer 40k and Warhammer 30k lore for the sake of getting this controversy and drama (and that video will be out within the next 2 days)" First line of the video description.
@nathanbrown8196
@nathanbrown8196 3 месяца назад
​​@@NoiseTheSilent "Didnt record his reaction"... Literally the comment. Dude was asking why he didn't document his journey into 40k for our entertainment. The description didn't refer to his research time as react content.
@NoiseTheSilent
@NoiseTheSilent 3 месяца назад
@@nathanbrown8196 Ok, I'll shorten my message so you can read it again. "I spent hours researching...(and that video will be out within the next 2 days)" This video is from his kick stream. The same kick stream that he watched WesHammer explain the lore of Warhammer. The part of the stream that was Nux learning the Warhammer lore will be out in 2 days. That is literally what the description said.
@MrDekasOne
@MrDekasOne 3 месяца назад
​@@NoiseTheSilentugh he reacted to weshammer guess I won't watch his reaction to that
@MartinPerez-kz8wu
@MartinPerez-kz8wu 3 месяца назад
I’m literally hurt by this. But if the actual reaction video to the lore comes out, maybe I’ll feel better 😢
@Deleto8026
@Deleto8026 3 месяца назад
Thank GOD Nux knows custodes aren't space marines.
@vitaliyred622
@vitaliyred622 3 месяца назад
I mean….they are literally spacemarine^3. For 30 years it had been only men for Custodes until 10th edition where they now tell the sheep like you that it was always like that.
@subpar_hydra3808
@subpar_hydra3808 3 месяца назад
@@vitaliyred622 similarities between a custodian and a space marine stop at “Human Super soldier”. A custodian is a perfect human, a space marine is a modified human, there is a difference.
@kronksstronkstonks6360
@kronksstronkstonks6360 3 месяца назад
​@@vitaliyred622Custodes are literally not Space Marines. They have almost zero relation to the Space Marine creation process, are uniquely crafted transhuman soldiers that are built using intensely secret methods held by certain houses in Terra, whereas Marines are templated on and enhanced by, the DNA of their primarchs. Thats not even deep cut lore so it proves how little you actually know. 30 years my ass, you haven't read 30 words on the setting.
@Deleto8026
@Deleto8026 3 месяца назад
@@vitaliyred622 I didn't mention mention female custodes anywhere in my comment so I don't know why your bringing them up here. But I hope you have a good rest of your day man.
@classyserpent8778
@classyserpent8778 3 месяца назад
​@@vitaliyred622 you seem like a lovely person to be around
@TheBigAEC
@TheBigAEC 3 месяца назад
5:34 umm actually Erda is new lore and no one likes her.
@acrab6527
@acrab6527 3 месяца назад
Especially how she appeared from nowhere, stole one of the emperor's achievements, then disappeared never to be heard from again. You can't just add a second, better emperor to the story for 5 minutes, then remove them, that's just stupid.
@TheBigAEC
@TheBigAEC 3 месяца назад
@@acrab6527 didn't she get merced by Erebus? The one good thing he's ever done.
@JCGver
@JCGver 3 месяца назад
@@TheBigAEC In my head Erda was just Erebus putting on a dress and make up.
@Omnia-0001
@Omnia-0001 2 месяца назад
The Emperor's name and wife's story was a retcon too. Originally until up to a few years ago he never had a name or wife. He alone made the super soilders and Chaos had a hand in scattering the primearcs.
@glitchyfox8706
@glitchyfox8706 3 месяца назад
From how suicide squad had lex describe wonder woman and the amazons im pretty sure they would rage if a male amazon was put in and was retconned to always be there
@acrab6527
@acrab6527 3 месяца назад
do we need to mention that DC did that 10 years ago, when they said "There's always been transwoman amazons on themyscira"?
@Needler13
@Needler13 3 месяца назад
Only male Amazon that I can remember is Jason, the twin of Wonder woman, who was cast out at birth. That was earth-0 and you can say that Diana was pissed that they kept her from her brother for so long just because he is a male. Of course they had to make him gay
@acrab6527
@acrab6527 3 месяца назад
@@Needler13 Nubia the black man who wnated to be a woman so he's a trans amazon now, from 2021. They even put him in all the wonder woman movies, he's the black amazon
@eatinganemone89
@eatinganemone89 3 месяца назад
There technically were. The Sons of Hephaestus were the sons of Amazons trying for daughters. Usually they were thrown into the sea to drown after being born, but Hephaestus spared them and convinced the Amazons to let them live on Themiscyra, and they were essentially treated like slaves who were only valuable for making weapons and armor for the women.
@thekrispiestkreme5609
@thekrispiestkreme5609 3 месяца назад
Now that you’ve gone through all the warhammer 40K stuff- rewatch space king and enjoy everything you missed
@xoso599
@xoso599 3 месяца назад
I think you mixed up the Thunder Warriors and the Custodies.
@troytanner5853
@troytanner5853 3 месяца назад
He didn’t actually. The Custodes were made first, then the Thunder Warriors, then the Primarchs, and then Space Marines, in that order
@conorflinn600
@conorflinn600 3 месяца назад
The emperor originally didn't plan on making the legions they were a oh crap my primarchs are gone I need something to protect humanity and threw them together with the leftovers which is most likely the reason why space marines had so many issues genetically
@AugustusMondo
@AugustusMondo 3 месяца назад
While the Adeptus Custodes have traditionally been depicted as male, there is nothing in the lore preventing them from being female
@gagedavidson2020
@gagedavidson2020 3 месяца назад
Nux: ULDAR me: eldar Nux: its uldar Me: it's eldar Nux: he was waiting for the uldar to fail Me: ffs, they're elves nux
@sparki420
@sparki420 3 месяца назад
Nux: "They're space wizards!" Me: "They're literally space elves! Not all elves are wizards!"
@gagedavidson2020
@gagedavidson2020 3 месяца назад
@@sparki420 XD truuuuue, though I just found out that the Eldar are actually really advanced slugs
@mogwiawolf4354
@mogwiawolf4354 3 месяца назад
if you give them an inch they take a foot
@forgottenprophet0
@forgottenprophet0 3 месяца назад
No, Nux, they're not just doing this for money. Businesses wouldn't be going under if it was about the money.
@thatguy6482
@thatguy6482 3 месяца назад
It is, just not customer money, but companies blackrock and vanguard bringing in massive investment money which drives up the stock prices making the people at the top look good and get some rather substantial bonuses.
@raifthemad
@raifthemad 3 месяца назад
@@thatguy6482 Is that why CW's chief financial officer sold two thirds of her company stock as soon as that news came out? Because she thinks that this will make stock prices go up? She must be really stupid then to sell those right before.
@caboose-kx8bi
@caboose-kx8bi 3 месяца назад
​@@thatguy6482 this is correct Usually companies don't care about being inclusive for the sake of being inclusive, instead they add inclusivity because it looks good to investors
@zerodawn09
@zerodawn09 3 месяца назад
@@caboose-kx8bi i dont think its about inclusivity. i think its about the show they and amazon are going to make. i bet the custodes will be in it and so its not all a meat fest they did this. i also dont think this is woke. woke would be if they started to have pink in their uniform or talk about girl power. so far all it is is there are females in those suites of armor. thats not woke. i bet this is all about the show and has nothing to do with the table top game or a woke agenda. if it was then there would be some story to go with it so they could make money off of it. i do think people are seeing woke where there is none. it happens alot in todays time and its sad that fake woke has now hit 40k.
@danteglory95
@danteglory95 3 месяца назад
​@@zerodawn09Nothing you just said has anything to do with something being woke. Woke is lazily forcing diversity where it doesn't need to be. Changing a faction that was previously stated to only be males to also have females now without a good reason is woke.
@guudepuder
@guudepuder 3 месяца назад
There are fat and crippeld spacemariens, the are entombed in a dreadnaught - dreadnaughts are the spacemarine equilivent of a wheelchair
@corvus_armatura7595
@corvus_armatura7595 3 месяца назад
Now that I think about it I guess we can "help" diversify some of the custodes now by stuffing more of them into dreadnoughts... Ah, to just imagine...
@42billybob
@42billybob 3 месяца назад
I think the tiresome element of female custodes is that they had a cool thing going with them and the sisters of silence. The Custodes were these gigachad soldiers that could wafflestomp basically anything into the dirt EXCEPT for when it came to demons & psykers against whom they didn't have much special. But the sisters come in with their null gene that reality anchors demons back into imaginationland & makes psykers want to gouge their own eyes out. They're both top tier but in ways that cover each other's weaknesses, both bringing an edge to the table that the other can't. Team work that makes the dream work. By making female custodes it kinda just screams "I'm insecure about the fact that I can't punch things to death as hard as the boys so let's all pretend like I can because it's fiction and anything can be anything." It's having women use masculinity as the measuring stick for who is the best.
@taddad2641
@taddad2641 3 месяца назад
well there is the issue of the implication that them being clinical psychopaths..... which is kinda not a goooood thing?
@rigel9228
@rigel9228 3 месяца назад
Sisters of silence aren't custodes tho, they are a completely Differenz thing, seems kinda stupid to compare them like that...
@42billybob
@42billybob 3 месяца назад
@@rigel9228 That's exactly of the point though. They aren't literally the same thing, but they are still essential to their collective success. They need each other because neither is suited to every task on their own. I think it makes a much better parallel for functional gender dynamics.
@rigel9228
@rigel9228 3 месяца назад
@@42billybob Them being blanks has absolutely fuck all to do with them being women tho, same with the Custodes and being male. It's also stated multiple times in the lore that SoS absolutely fold Spess Murines in most scenarios. Like, if you actually think that whatever is under the armor of those extremely enhanced, barely human beings is that incredibly important then that's your opinion, i still think it's weird tho...
@42billybob
@42billybob 3 месяца назад
@@rigel9228 I assumed they did mono-gendered factions more for social reasons and tradition than anything. People behave differently in mixed company than they do around people they have more in common with and if like you said the base frame that you're enhancing isn't important then there would be no particular benefit to using both genders while potentially some advantage in the sense of fraternity/sorority gained in terms of unit cohesion (which is heavily implied given how much they are referred to as "brothers" or "sisters"). And that's assuming we take your assertion that the upgrades make the original human body irrelevant, which is a baseless assertion, you can put the same turbo charged upgrades on both a sedan and a minivan, the sedan is gonna go faster. Thematically, we're also playing with fantasy archetypes. The masculine fighter and the feminine mystic are a classic dynamic. I'm not saying "they have to be X or Y gender because the science" since it's a bunch of space magic and lost technology. I'm saying it was an interesting thematic quirk that is lost by pretending like there were always girls in the very homo-erotic jock club that is the golden banana boys. And that the whole push to do so really feels like someone decided the Custodes are the best and therefore women need to be part of that group in order to be considered equal. And it betrays an underlying assumption that hyper-masculinity is the metric by which we decide who is the best.
@theomnidegenerate5236
@theomnidegenerate5236 3 месяца назад
The best point I have heard on this subject is that it is a perfect example that for these types of people having a seat at the table is not good enough they must have your seat specifically it doesn’t matter that there’s a dozen different places for women within 40 K that’s not good enough they must also be included in the places that are specifically meant for just the men I don’t know why, but another one of my comments was deleted automatically. so I’m just going to edit it onto this one 13:40 this sentiment, he gives here is actually the core of a very powerful dichotomy for me that I think needs to be pointed out The statements “who cares if they change the law as long as it’s a good story at the end of the day who cares“ is a nonsensical oxymoronic statement. Because it insinuates that a story could be good with lore being destroyed of the very story it’s trying to portray. So to give a more clear example let’s say that there’s a work of fiction and the thing I like about it is the way the magic system works so they create this movie around this fictional universe with this magic system, but they completely change it they break all of the laws surrounding it, but every other story beat is made on its own, and a vacuum would’ve made this film and objective like eight or nine out of 10 So the story is good, so who cares if they broke the magic system, right? WRONG! The fact they would’ve broken the magic system in this hypothetical instance is the only reason I need to hate the entire media because we are not just watching a piece of media in a vacuum. We are not just watching a piece of media that is entirely new and unique. You came in piggybacking off of an already existing, IP with already preestablished,lore and rules, and everything else included within it, and then you shattered. All of it not giving a damn to tell an entirely different story that is enough to piss me off to call your movie shit no matter how good other aspects of it are I do not care! you broke the core aspect, so I’m done with it . You cannot have a good piece of media that violates the previously established lore. In my opinion you just can’t do to go hand-in-hand.
@quayshawndameron1349
@quayshawndameron1349 3 месяца назад
Bruh 40k is ironically diverse lol. You don't have to do anything. Space marines male/sisters of battle female Custodes male/sister of silence female Imperial army mixed full of fodder from both genders
@classyserpent8778
@classyserpent8778 3 месяца назад
So if it was the opposite and there was only female super soldiers, you'd still be upset with them trying to add men to those armies?
@eddielaster99
@eddielaster99 3 месяца назад
@@classyserpent8778 I would be upset if the excuse for adding them was," They were there the whole time despite the fact nothing we released over the decades even hinted at them being there and we've actively stated its out right impossible before."
@danteglory95
@danteglory95 3 месяца назад
​@@classyserpent8778Yes because I'm not a crybaby who feels the need to be represented in everything I see.
@aaronjohnston2751
@aaronjohnston2751 3 месяца назад
​@classyserpent8778 If there was already several highly underappreciated and underrepresented in-game and lore and they were suddenly usurped by a shallow, genderbent addition? Yes, yes I would be angry. Give us more Nuns with Guns, dammit. There are few people who wouldn't immediately say yes to more Sororitas.
@vsGoliath96
@vsGoliath96 3 месяца назад
@@eddielaster99 You realize that 95% of all Custodes lore is a giant retcon from the last 7 years, right?
@Aa-zc8di
@Aa-zc8di 3 месяца назад
They could just said '' yeah Guilliman decided to make it a thing since custodes are a more active part of the Imperium now and they need more recruits since 1 in 10000000 infants can become a custode and adding girls to the recruitment pool would help them with their numbers'' and it would have been fine
@Eldritch..Horror
@Eldritch..Horror 3 месяца назад
I'm like 7 minutes in and I just had to pause to drop my take here. First, Custodes are not Space Marines. They've never been referred to as battle brothers, and we have no idea if their genetic augmentations are compatible with the female form or not. Second, with as crazy as those genetic augmentations are, I don't see why you couldn't have a female custodian. They're so transhuman anyway. I don't see why that technology that's indistinguishable from magic draws the line at "oh we can make humans with dicks 12 feet tall and strong enough to bench press small trucks but for some reason it just can't happen if you've got an innie, sorry." That said I don't like how GW approached the retcon. It felt dishonest.
@Kekkersboy
@Kekkersboy 3 месяца назад
It's 40k Everythings a retcon. Remember when we had Half Eldar Half Human Space Marines?
@corvus_armatura7595
@corvus_armatura7595 3 месяца назад
They refer to each other as brothers on comms if they work together. Which is rare because they're almost never expected to do so.
@corvus_armatura7595
@corvus_armatura7595 3 месяца назад
@@Kekkersboy So why does it matter to left and right culture warriors to why female custodians exist?
@Eldritch..Horror
@Eldritch..Horror 3 месяца назад
@@Kekkersboy nah that's probably before my time. I got into the game around 7th and into the lore around 6th. Sounds like a GW special though
@Kekkersboy
@Kekkersboy 3 месяца назад
@@Eldritch..Horror exactly, this is 40k everything gets reconnected
@Antykill_
@Antykill_ 3 месяца назад
5:00 this is incorrect Mr. Nuxalore. You're thinking of the Thunder Warriors. The Thunder Warriors were created to unify Terra during the Unification Wars. After that Big E made the Custodes to serve as his honor guard and their first deployment was to wipe out the Thunder Warriors. After the Custodes he made the Primarchs and the Space Marines for the Great Crusade.
@tkul_
@tkul_ 3 месяца назад
"I have done the homework and learned the lore" precedes to have no idea what anyone is talking about for 27 minutes. Classic Nux completely ignorant but heavily opinionated
@BouncingTribbles
@BouncingTribbles Месяц назад
It's also classic 40k. You spend 5 hours researching and reading, and then you realize you were reading about the wrong war the whole time.
@Shinesart
@Shinesart 3 месяца назад
Nux is definitely confusing with Space King when he said girls were thrown into larva.🤣
@jaredwasserman1092
@jaredwasserman1092 3 месяца назад
Yeah, it's almost as bad as people who get their lore from TTS.
@ryanwight9116
@ryanwight9116 3 месяца назад
Name a lamer reason than “there has always been . . .”
@psycholor7450
@psycholor7450 3 месяца назад
Somehow palpatine returned.
@jumpinglemur4860
@jumpinglemur4860 3 месяца назад
​@@psycholor7450 beat me to it
@themalcontent100
@themalcontent100 3 месяца назад
"They caled us nerds. Waaa" "They took me toys." "$250 to learn more." "Who are the sisters of silence? Do we sell that?"
@00spiderwolfman
@00spiderwolfman 3 месяца назад
Sure “because I can I will”
@themalcontent100
@themalcontent100 3 месяца назад
@@00spiderwolfman not lame enough it implies that they have a will.
@cosmicwooloo
@cosmicwooloo 3 месяца назад
Hey nux, space king is more based off of the rouge trader era of warhammer. The female warrior models weren’t space marines, they were what would be later known as the adepta sororitas
@blackraven8526
@blackraven8526 3 месяца назад
Nux's understanding of the lore is.... painful.
@Malisteen
@Malisteen 3 месяца назад
feels more like jumping on a (particularly stupid) bandwagon than meaningfully engaging.
@MoiraMcGill
@MoiraMcGill 3 месяца назад
Let's be honest, the Real Housewives could only be improved by the addition of bloodshed every episode xD Also, females don't have to roleplay being psychopathic, genetically engineered killing machines because we already are :v ...sadly not all of us are eight foot though v.v
@Jo_Wasabi
@Jo_Wasabi 3 месяца назад
Nux, are you going to watch Velma season 2? I really liked the giant supercut you did with the first season and your commentary made the show actually watchable
@Ragnorok657
@Ragnorok657 3 месяца назад
I highly doubt nux will subject himself to that rubbush that is known as Velma Season 2
@Jo_Wasabi
@Jo_Wasabi 3 месяца назад
@@Ragnorok657 True true
@Fontanezm
@Fontanezm 3 месяца назад
@@Ragnorok657He already reacted to the first episode and almost 💀
@Hurricayne92
@Hurricayne92 2 месяца назад
We can agree that the Custodes are not Space Marines right?
@loganvanzandt5490
@loganvanzandt5490 3 месяца назад
What kind of army or Faction do you mess with nuxs? I’m interested to know if you have any interest in? I follow the plague Marines and orcs
@vibescorner863
@vibescorner863 2 месяца назад
He doesn't follow Any faction. He watched an hour and a half lore breakdown going up to the fall of cadia.
@red14carbluebattleship76
@red14carbluebattleship76 3 месяца назад
My whole problem is how they did not even try to come up with a reason for the retcon. It is very much "don't believe your lying eyes." It is insulting to the fans who have every right to question it. And makes me disappointed in people who will just shovel garbage in there mouths and have no standards to the things they consume. Have some dignity at least to demand a better answer than just "they have always exist."
@shanehunt3019
@shanehunt3019 3 месяца назад
First time?
@red14carbluebattleship76
@red14carbluebattleship76 3 месяца назад
@@shanehunt3019 No, I have seen it before. I can understand how hard it is to let go of something, especially when you have put in a lot of time and money into it. But it is also a lot like a abusive relationship, it is extremely toxic and will never get you anything good.
@classyserpent8778
@classyserpent8778 3 месяца назад
​@@red14carbluebattleship76 yeah it's a corporation. Toxic kinda goes with it.
@ponytoast1231
@ponytoast1231 3 месяца назад
The laziness is really the problem in most of those cases of things being woke. If you want a bunch of different people of different colors in non-US settings make something in the lore about why they are there, you don't get multicultural societies just by magic, there is politic and history behind that. If there is a Mary Sue, give explanations why she became like that, give her the hero journey. If you retcon something make it make sense and expand the lore, not just suddenly switch it, having to give explanation to something weird in the lore is an opportunity to create something interesting.
@zerodawn09
@zerodawn09 3 месяца назад
see this is why i dont think its woke. have you ever seen something go woke and not scream about it? i bet this is because of the show they are going to make with amazon. they didnt want a full cast of only men so they did this. im sure at some point the custodes will show up. i think this is a casting reason and not a woke one. i think people jumped the gun cause everything is woke today. truely if it was a woke agenda why didnt they write a book about it and try to make money? how about change up some table top figurines and make money. you can say they are stupid and they are but i think cause its not woke and a casting call choice.
@800aspects2
@800aspects2 3 месяца назад
My question is what is wrong with an all male faction? We have the Sister of battle and silence but the all male faction is the problem?
@compareandcontrast9833
@compareandcontrast9833 3 месяца назад
Do you mean like the Orks?
@tobiasbayer4866
@tobiasbayer4866 3 месяца назад
I think that is exactly what the problem is. That men and women are segregated and forced into roles. For example there are no huge muscle women in the sister of battle. Instead the sister of battle are very feminized including infamous boob armour...
@jaredwasserman1092
@jaredwasserman1092 3 месяца назад
You mean space marines?
@acrab6527
@acrab6527 3 месяца назад
@@tobiasbayer4866 tourist alert. The sisters of battle are all giant muscle women. They are in combat nearly all the time. Just look at any sister repentia. And the female factions are always superior to the male factions in every way, so the argument is equally dumb.
@800aspects2
@800aspects2 3 месяца назад
@@acrab6527 it's too easy to tell with some people.
@bertalankristof114
@bertalankristof114 3 месяца назад
There are fat,crippled space marines in a wheelchair.The wherlchair is called a dreadnought
@OrkWarbossThrakka
@OrkWarbossThrakka Месяц назад
If it was new lore that allowed Belisarius Cawl to experiment with the Custodes creation process, allowing female candidates to be able to turn into a custodian, then that would be a better reflection for GW. However the problem is it’s a half page exert in a rule book, and a cheeky tweet from GW saying “there’s always been female Custodes” that’s the issue, because they’re meddling with source material to artificially manipulate a narrative. Plus the irony of GW’s “not sexist” is hilarious that once it has been established that there are female custodians, the rules for the army get nerfed to hell…..What are you trying to tell us GW? 🤔
@TiredDoktor6391
@TiredDoktor6391 3 месяца назад
i love how some people compare this retcon to other retcons, because they LITERALLY missed the point drinker made about the nature of retcons in 40k and the fact that this was NOT done for sake of expanding the universe, giving more context, fixing flawed logic or having actual purpose , but due to current day politics being forced into the setting for sake of appeasing a few minorities that won't be playing or engaging with 40k tabletop or lore in the first place, unlike that actual long term fans
@Cartel734
@Cartel734 3 месяца назад
I think those people literally did not even watch the video and just don't like Drinker.
@JCGver
@JCGver 3 месяца назад
Had they put in one (or both) of those two scratched out primarchs as a woman and with female space marines and a good chunk of lore, after the initial grumbling. Because well the tism is strong in WH40K any change will lead to some grumbling, the fans would accepted it. Here GamesWorkshop let me do your job and give you a birds eye of the new lore: Emperor created the female Primarch(s), but got a vision of the primarchs ruling mankind as evil and cruel dictators rather than being the protectors of mankind. This was cause because primarchs loved their own kids more than the emperor and mankind. So the quickest solution was to yeet the female Primarch(s) into deep space, as he could not bring himself to destroy her/them (him not yet having cast the part of him with empathy and love into the warp to fight Horus). Now in the grimdark future where there is only war a rogue trader taking a wrong turn in the warp end up on the planet the female primarch lives... See it's not fucking hard, have one of your writers write a novel about it and boom, done.
@TiredDoktor6391
@TiredDoktor6391 3 месяца назад
@@JCGver I still would call this a stretch and think it requires more cooking and writing, but i would take this over the sloppy twitter posting and shoe horned pointless retcon we got now today instead.
@classyserpent8778
@classyserpent8778 3 месяца назад
​@@JCGverI love this for the simple " they're impossible " arguments. I mostly see it as changing it to make more sense. Custodians are hand crafted beings from collected genetic code. I struggle to see why sex would matter, let alone be in there at all. Tryrinds be like "that a waste of bio mass. You could've given them more spikes!"
@usernamealreadytaken9330
@usernamealreadytaken9330 3 месяца назад
​@@JCGver I don't know, even if Big E can't kill them uncle Malcador always ready to throw hands. He almost snuff Horus simply trying to speak their names.
@josueroberto7356
@josueroberto7356 3 месяца назад
The funniest shit about the “it’s always been that way” tweet, is that in-universe information distributed by Imperium authorities work the exact same way 😂😂 I’m not saying that makes it right. I just find it funny.
@Malisteen
@Malisteen 3 месяца назад
I mean, it's also how the lore has been built over the entirety of 40k's existence. Remember when Iron Warriors were an offshoot of the Thousand Sons? No, of course not, they're one of the original space marine legions, and "it's always been that way."
@Jayde_Seraph
@Jayde_Seraph 3 месяца назад
I just wanted to clarify, that it has been stated one of the authors that he wanted to write female custodians for a long time but got told no, allegedly because they had already made the minis for the custodians and it would cause issues to add females at that time. Also, the only lore that contradicted the possibility of female custodies was the masculine words used to address custodies. However, custodies undergo a drastically different genetic modification than space marines do, which makes it theoretically possible for there to be female space marines. Granted, if GW were to try to claim that there were a bunch of female custodies or that there was an even amount compared to the males, that would be horse sh*t. Female custodies should be as rare as possible like as water in the desert. If you want a better explanation than I can give, watch Majorkill's video on this, he does a good job explaining it. However, if they try to claim that female space marines are a possibility there's gonna be some issues. Also, a brief explanation on the difference between the custodians and the space marines' genetic modification, in case you have no knowledge of this. Custodians are gradually modified over time to make them super human. Space Marines are modified based on their associated primarch in a rapid modification. For example, all of the Blood Angels are hot. All of the members of the Blood Angels space marine legion are forcibly made hot by the genetic modification process. Note that is a side effect not the intent. Their primarch is the angel looking one so it makes sense in a weird way. Though I will say this does seem like a nothing burger. There are already plenty of cool female characters in Warhammer 40k if they try to push further than this it will only be detracting from women's presence in the setting.
@acrab6527
@acrab6527 3 месяца назад
No, the existence of the sisters of silence means there's no female custodes. Because then there is absolutely no purpose for their existence. And the main reason there can't be female custodes or astartes is the emperor wants humanity to rule the galaxy. Thunder warriors, Custodes and Astartes are not human. So they were made all male, so they could not breed and wipe out humanity. Humanity cannot compete with immortal, 8 foot tall killing machines that never need to sleep or eat. The imperium kills anyone with an extra punky finger, you think they'd be cool with an objectively superior, non human species holding positions of authority over humanity? You might as well let the Eldar run the imperium at that point.
@facundomontivero2299
@facundomontivero2299 3 месяца назад
Cool female characters? Like who?
@Jayde_Seraph
@Jayde_Seraph 3 месяца назад
@@facundomontivero2299 Lotarra Sarrin was cool
@swaggerarmy499
@swaggerarmy499 3 месяца назад
Imagine if they just removed women from 40k that would be epic Just men
@snipersougo13
@snipersougo13 3 месяца назад
​@@Jayde_SeraphColonel Regina Kastee, Alizebeth Bequin,amberley vail
@zealotmaster1
@zealotmaster1 3 месяца назад
there is no war in ba sing se
@TiredDoktor6391
@TiredDoktor6391 3 месяца назад
We have always been at war with east asia
@JoshSweetvale
@JoshSweetvale 3 месяца назад
Malal.
@SugarFreeGaming
@SugarFreeGaming 3 месяца назад
I know nothing about 40k, but i hear theres already a female faction so why do they feel like they have to force a different kind of woman in there at the expense of lore
@TiredDoktor6391
@TiredDoktor6391 3 месяца назад
2 factions that are female only, with badass characters, and almost every other faction being mixed But SOMEHOW they insist on adding females in the few male only factions that exist and its never a big deal
@vitaliyred622
@vitaliyred622 3 месяца назад
Yes, they need to have them in the most POWERFUL position and being poster GALS.
@facundomontivero2299
@facundomontivero2299 3 месяца назад
​@@TiredDoktor6391 Don't the Sisters of Battle and the Sisters of Silence also barely have any content about them?
@TiredDoktor6391
@TiredDoktor6391 3 месяца назад
@@facundomontivero2299 Thats the targic part Despite being cool and badass, they are mostly neglected, yet instead of putting resources onto improving them both on tabletop and in the lore, they instead want to make make male only factions into mixed
@SugarFreeGaming
@SugarFreeGaming 3 месяца назад
I understand even more now why people are upset, not only messing with established lore but neglecting stuff they could easily expand on. Definitely a decision with a agenda behind it
@pc23
@pc23 3 месяца назад
I love the 40k lore also can you do starship trooper lore one day please and thank you lorednux!
@AugustusMondo
@AugustusMondo 3 месяца назад
We also know nothing of the 2nd and 11th Legions.
@hgrim2773
@hgrim2773 3 месяца назад
After all my comments suggesting get into 40k, it's now during the dumbest "controversy" with some the dumbest takes. Like I'm glad u finally looked into it (just started video and haven't finished yet)
@lordweeblee
@lordweeblee 3 месяца назад
if one were to say "there has always been female custodes" then by default one would also imply that there has never been a female of the custodes that has accomplished as much as a female guardsman, much less a sister of battle.
@CordovanSplotchVT
@CordovanSplotchVT 3 месяца назад
"Ever since before the unification war there has always been female Custodes, it's just that none of them have ever done anything worthy of mention ever, until just recently when one of them was clever during regular training."
@malekith13
@malekith13 3 месяца назад
@@CordovanSplotchVT They were stuck in the custodes kitchen !
@Andersonzabuza
@Andersonzabuza 3 месяца назад
Nux, you should watch and review the Last Church animation, you'd get a kick out of it.
@SamTheGumMan117
@SamTheGumMan117 3 месяца назад
Man had me thinking Mak was in the thumbnail but then I was like no way he's not a gamer xD but still great to see you talk about Warhammer again even if not the best of times
@Bassmunky26
@Bassmunky26 3 месяца назад
The big reason for speaking out about even minor changes that overall won't amount to anything much is that it's a foot in the door to change more. It's been happening with other properties, and people are getting tired of it. Especially when the changes go against the audience that built it.
@Malisteen
@Malisteen 3 месяца назад
What's next? "dark" eldar to pander to goths? "space dwarfs" to pander to short people? Some sort of anime mecha suit faction to pander to weebs? Bug aliens to pander to entomologists? Who knows what the woke mafia at games workshop will add if they're just allowed to retcon any odd idea into the game and pretend it's always been there.
@szysi3k
@szysi3k 3 месяца назад
That's exactly what's happening. Next the Emperor a trans black woman (already on a wheelchair) and the warp is female.
@masterdv3
@masterdv3 3 месяца назад
What is the relevance to adding female custodies to the storyline?
@jaredwasserman1092
@jaredwasserman1092 3 месяца назад
There is no storyline in 40k. It's a setting.
@TiredDoktor6391
@TiredDoktor6391 3 месяца назад
​@@jaredwasserman1092 Tell me you are a fake fan without telling me you are a fake fan
@asideofsalt.6645
@asideofsalt.6645 3 месяца назад
​@@jaredwasserman1092 tourist
@acrab6527
@acrab6527 3 месяца назад
@@jaredwasserman1092 tourist alert. There's an entire corporation that does nothing but sell novels
@swaggerarmy499
@swaggerarmy499 3 месяца назад
What is the relevance of women?
@HinuHyuga
@HinuHyuga 3 месяца назад
I dabble here and there in Warhammer lore. However isn't there needing to be more women in the lore why we have the Sister's of Battle and Silence?
@jakeheflin4536
@jakeheflin4536 3 месяца назад
I have to disagree with a few things he said about the lore becoming more focused their have been plenty of retcons in this franchise were they flat out contradict and rewrite previous material. Rogue trader is a perfect example of that. So a retcon like this isn’t exactly unprecedented but I agree that it was poorly handled on gw’s part. Edit: even the way they handled it isn’t unprecedented the imperial guard rogal dorn tank, even the votann an entire faction of space dwarves who inhabit the galactic core got retconned into the lore with literally the same words “they were always there”. Not to mention well unlike the space marines the custodians selection process and how their augmented is a huge mystery. The only fact we know is that they’re selected for ascension as infants so it’s clearly not a matter of muscle or physicality. Also yes the emperor was progressive to a fault when it came to humanity, only humanity. So yes he and the imperium are bigoted and xenophobic but only towards aliens. And well mutants but that varies depending on the kind of mutant. Edit 2: actually the mystery element might be why they did this since pulling primaris stunt like someone altering the custodes genetic augmentations to allow female applicants would mean they’d actually have to explain how custodies are made. As in they’d have to explain one of the most closely guarded secrets in the imperium. So I they may have just done this so the mystery could remain intact.
@bignickenergy3525
@bignickenergy3525 3 месяца назад
It's not even a bad retcon since Custodes are individually crafted. But, it was retconned via tweet because a single small paragraph in the new codex used 'she'. Femstodes was added in worse than the Arkan Land retcon, imo. And then it's being defended relentlessly by almost exclusively coomers ranting about muscle mommies.
@MrLuzakman
@MrLuzakman 3 месяца назад
No, it's attacked by some people who are perpetually outraged by everything. I myself don't give a flying fuck. Most people don't give a fuck. Yet all this screaming into a wall makes me and many others annoyed
@bartofii
@bartofii 3 месяца назад
@@MrLuzakman maybe if this wasn't the exact sort of change/development going on in every IP getting adapted for the audience of a modern day.
@Cartel734
@Cartel734 3 месяца назад
@@MrLuzakman Huh? You're saying the people that don't like the retcon and gaslighting by GW on Twitter are perpetually outraged by everything? That is some HEAVY projection. I've seen people who never even heard of 40k until a couple weeks ago whining about the existence of male-only factions lmao. The "inclusion for the sake of inclusion" people are the softest most perpetually outraged people I have ever seen in my life. Btw those people seem to have no problem with the existence of female-only factions, without double-standards they wouldn't have any.
@jaredwasserman1092
@jaredwasserman1092 3 месяца назад
In other words, it's exactly how every 40k retcon works. It gets published in a codex when it was not previously mentioned. The end.
@TiredDoktor6391
@TiredDoktor6391 3 месяца назад
​@@jaredwasserman1092 The issue is not HOW the retcon happened, the issue the nature of retcon and WHY it happened in the first place that is the issue.
@gwell2118
@gwell2118 3 месяца назад
Ok real talk here. As someone heavily in Warhammer in general for quite some time and involved in the community. The general sentiment is most aren't that bothered by the change, the nuanced stance is most feel GW didn't do a great job annoucing or doing a first introduction of this (as in the leaked article bit obviously wasn't intended and the tweet was obviously damage control). Like it should have been included in a proper articles and stories properly explaining the difference in Custodes and Marine creation. Having said that the twitter response is usual full on rage or jubilation and no in-between and YouTude is being inundated with culture warriors basically just trying to grift of the "controversy". This guy I am calling BS as 1) he clearly doesn't actually understand the lore or the setting that well considering he's clearly mixing them up a bunch with Space Marines. 2) He is very blatantly just trying to get mad at this on the community's behalf for engagement (like a bunch of conservative culture warriors right now). Like sure some feel its just pandering but overall I am not really seeing that much anger over it with some pointing it as a good middle-ground on the female space marine debate (allowing for woman super soldiers without stepping to hard on established Space Marine lore).
@JCGver
@JCGver 3 месяца назад
I'd like to keep up with this sotry because well I want me a WH40K series. But every creator on youtube is rehashing the same tiny bit of info we have and stretching it so their video is long enough for mid roll ads. Going to other sources is useless too as it's either a banned topic or the same as the youtube videos.
@gwell2118
@gwell2118 3 месяца назад
@@JCGver Well its mostly because there isn't much to talk about. A section of the codex got leaked early followed by a single tweet from GW. That's it. The only other thing to talk about is peoples reaction to it and conspiracy theories regarding what it represents. The videos are all the same because there isn't any new info to talk about and all want max length videos for best monetization. Which is why so many are calling it grifting. All of sudden a bunch of RU-vid keyboard warriors are all coming out with the same response after never having once mentioned Warhammer before but now acting like they are experts. Bit suspicious lol
@vsGoliath96
@vsGoliath96 3 месяца назад
Yeah, you pretty much nailed how Critical Drinker works. To a T, you described his entire modus operandi. Pretend he knows about a topic, get stuff wrong, stir up shit for views, "muh evil woke liberals," repeat until the end of time.
@akun50
@akun50 3 месяца назад
Honestly, I feel it would've been taken better if they had said something like "a breakthrough has allowed females to become space marines and even custodes." Forcing it retroactively into the lore is, I'll admit, a step too far.
@Malisteen
@Malisteen 3 месяца назад
Why? 40k retcons are constant. Dark Eldar exist because of retcons. Leagues of votann exist because of retcons. Tyranids. Tau. Necrons. The current 40k timeline is a huge retcon from the Eye of Terror campaign timeline. 40k lore is like 90% retcons, why are they suddenly a step to far now? Are you just new to the game? If so, maybe settle in before getting all worked up.
@PasOdMater
@PasOdMater Месяц назад
Nux can't understand that some people care more about their politics than money.
@JeffOf813
@JeffOf813 3 месяца назад
The problem with these situations is that people say "they" during explaining the drama... but "they" is 4 different groups of people, that tend to fall on different levels of this pyramid, but there is overlap... so there are people who want to make a statement and change culture or win points in a culture war game, then there are the people who just want to make money, then there are the people who think they are doing something new and awesome but are misguided, and finally there are the people who actually want to cause damage to the legacy of something loved for multiple possible reasons.
@classyserpent8778
@classyserpent8778 3 месяца назад
Why isn't people who just like it/don't see a issue a option? Why must it all be for alternative motives?
@ThePopcultureman
@ThePopcultureman 3 месяца назад
@@classyserpent8778 That is one of the options, though? The misguided ones who think it's neat; they aren't being nefarious, just enabling.
@vsGoliath96
@vsGoliath96 3 месяца назад
@@ThePopcultureman How is that nefarious? I have yet to see an actual good explanation from literally anyone so please enlighten me.
@malmasterson3890
@malmasterson3890 3 месяца назад
​@@vsGoliath96​Here's the thing, female custodes have already been a thing for awhile since the army includes a group known as the Sisters of Silence. They're a pretty interesting group of female warriors who are blanks, thus they make other people very uncomfortable and are extremely effective against psykers & as a result make for excellent allies to the custodes. They also are the ones who usually transport the souls to Terra who will be sacrificed to Big E. Despite this, the Sisters of Silence barely ever get ANY attention from GW, and they've been around for awhile. It's hard to believe that GW is doing this out of genuine care cause if they actually did give a f*ck then they'd add more lore to the actual female warriors. Another thing is this, whilst there has never been anything suggesting that females can't be custodes, it's a pointless statement to make anyway. Custodes weren't originally picked from the cream of the crop like Space Marines sure, so they could have chosen some women, but the process of becoming a custodes would make them indistinguishable from the other male custodes anyways. Their bodies were all manipulated to be the perfect defenders of the Imperial palace, and as such they are going to have purely masculine/male physiques. Even facial structure would be very masculine. Maybe the eyes & voice could still be feminine, but that'd mostly be it. All this considered. It's hard to believe there is any actual genuine good intentions behind this, since if they actually gave a shit they'd make an effort to give better context into how females are integrated, or give more lore to the ALREADY EXISTING female warriors that have been neglected for so long.
@JeffOf813
@JeffOf813 3 месяца назад
@malmasterson3890 it sounds to me like they had different attributes and were awesome in their own way, and this whole controversy is about someone scrunching their face up and saying women can do anything a man can do, without even knowing about these female units that have their own utility... changing something people love to make a statement is the nefarious part, and honestly it's not that big a deal, but it's just another straw on the camel's back, so at this point people are going to be mad cuz they are sick of it, and we all know this is a sign of what's to come, something else will probly be changed for the same reason if this doesn't cause enough backlash from the fans.
@I_am_ENSanity
@I_am_ENSanity 3 месяца назад
Never bend the knee, because when you do it once, you'll have to do it over and over again.
@syrienangel4137
@syrienangel4137 3 месяца назад
Give them an inch, they take a mile
@xanthiusdrake2775
@xanthiusdrake2775 3 месяца назад
More like never bend the knee to do what they want, instead bend the knee to punt them out of the way and keep chugging along and do what you enjoy.
@hellsjester1
@hellsjester1 3 месяца назад
that moment when you are laughing too hard cause nuxxor mixed up the thunder warriors with custodes XD. could there be stable enough thunder warriors in the custodes..... maybe.... but doubtful. cause specifically he made the noble families of terra give up their first born sons to him to make the custodes. aka he flexed his daddy emp power boner to show that he is in charge and he controls the fate of terra not the nobles
@TheMercian13
@TheMercian13 3 месяца назад
The big problems with the retcon is that it was done to please Amazon, Black Rock and Vanguard, and they blatantly lied that the new retcon has always been the case (all evidence is against that). Really funny listening to a new guy to the hobby talk about the lore. Glad you’re covering it.
@your_god_lucifer2386
@your_god_lucifer2386 3 месяца назад
This still isnt as bad as the fallout show taking a piss on the shady sands timeline having it get nuked 4-5 years before the battle of hoover dam. Which makes literally no sense not to mention the dumb ghoul medicine that was never part of anything in the lore
@vitaliyred622
@vitaliyred622 3 месяца назад
Already fixed. But will GW fix it? I do Not think so. Nolan and Todd already came out and addressed it.
@RaixsOreh
@RaixsOreh 3 месяца назад
Repsect to nuxanorrespect for nuxanor for getting into the lore and universe. But for some of the comments here. Tell me you dont read warhammer without telling me you dont read warhammer. The Process to create custodes is all gene alchemy. They rebuild bodies from head to toe. Making it possible to use on women. For space marines, what you need is to stuff an aspirant full of geneseed and organs. The Geneseed is not compatible with women because "male primarch genes". Even then they're not entirely compatible with men. Geneseed has rejection rates.
@zamwessel4337
@zamwessel4337 3 месяца назад
They're called Sisters of Silence please correct me if i'm wrong.
@theomnidegenerate5236
@theomnidegenerate5236 3 месяца назад
13:00 unfortunately nux that part is true. We have had several different creators of several different shows who have come in and change things directly expressed on the record. It’s because they wanted to take things away and then when they released their project and then it bomb so they’re not making as much money as they would’ve could’ve or should have they will still double down and change more shit so it’s not for the money and they’re on record saying it so unfortunately Yep that is pretty much. The reason it’s sadistic and evil as far as I’m concerned, but Yep that’s the reason given.
@thespacedpirate
@thespacedpirate 3 месяца назад
Why is it everytime i start getting into something, shitty retcons happen?
@mykalkelley8315
@mykalkelley8315 3 месяца назад
Culture war
@jaredwasserman1092
@jaredwasserman1092 3 месяца назад
This isn't even the biggest retcon of the last 2 years with 40k. There would literally be a retcon every single moment you tried to get into it.
@TheArchalypse
@TheArchalypse 3 месяца назад
Bro warhammer is retcon, always was.
@thespacedpirate
@thespacedpirate 3 месяца назад
@@TheArchalypse I know, but none of the retcons before were as dumb as this.
@syrienangel4137
@syrienangel4137 3 месяца назад
I feel sorry for Henry Canvil, man was in the works for a 40k show, then this shit happens just as he leaves Witcher and DC. Even worse when his favorite faction is Custodes.
@lbuada7723
@lbuada7723 3 месяца назад
How come it usually has an investment from Blackrock that comes with franchises ruining themselves? Asmondgold pointed that out weeks ago and the pattern has been proving itself since then.
@randyslicker
@randyslicker 3 месяца назад
Its because Blackrock have cottoned onto the fact that white upper middle class people's investing habits have changed and they are more likely to part with their money if an investment or product has the words 'ethical' on them, this is because it allows them to sooth their self images by convincing themselves they are good people in spite of hoarding their inherited wealth their ancestors accrued through exploitation on a global scale. They think as long as they engage in 'ethical consumerism' they can still be 'good' and not have to give the money back. So Blackrock hire consulting firms to turn their assets into 'ethical investments' to sell to their over privileged customers.
@Japaneseanimeguy
@Japaneseanimeguy 3 месяца назад
There's actually only a handful of investment firms with enough money to invest in so many different companies, so it's not surprising for the same names to keep popping up. Remember not only do they give more money for esg (environmental social governance) compliance but they have more money to spend than most countries have to spend when working out their yearly budgets.
@raisttlyn
@raisttlyn 3 месяца назад
Never thought you'd drop in this Nux. welcome
@Thalanox
@Thalanox 29 дней назад
So The Emperor is a bad guy because he didn't go on a grand "preserve the shattered remains of the eldar empire" crusade DURING the warp storms that made space travel horrifically dangerous? The man had to get ready for when he had a chance to do something. He only revealed himself to humanity when humanity's extinction would be literally assured within one generation's time. He's characterized as always wanting to step back at some point and make sure that humanity guides it's own destiny. It's one of the things Malcador argues with him about. "They still need you". 40k is so much more grimdark when you see that what's happening is literally the best case scenario in an imperfect universe, and the Emperor, one of the best of humanity and arguably the only guy who could turn things around, is powerless to do anything other than watch the slow degeneration of a wonderful galactic civilization into barbarism barely held together with millenia of desperate and kinda broken administrative patchwork solutions to a decaying system, with very consistent atrocities carried out by those using your name in error.
@SlimeFanBoi
@SlimeFanBoi 3 месяца назад
"Wait there are women custodes? Always has been"
@NoiseTheSilent
@NoiseTheSilent 3 месяца назад
As a certified tourist of 40k (since anyone who doesn't collect models is allegedly a tourist), the change adding female Custodes is eh, who cares. I would have preferred a full book with the lore explaining fully that female Custodes are a thing but oh well. Also people who say this negatively impacts the roles of the Sisters of Silence are just wrong. While it's a damn shame we haven't gotten a deeper lore and story impact for them, female Custodes doesn't mean the Sisters of Silence are suddenly invalidated. Female Custodes still can't deal with psykers the same way that the Sisters can.
@NoiseTheSilent
@NoiseTheSilent 3 месяца назад
Another thing, female Custodes is just one of dozens of retcons to the lore in this games 30 years of life ie: Necrons being more than just soulless terminators, the Primarchs having a mother (Erda), Horus maybe not actually being fully dead, Primaris marines. The lore of Warhammer 40k isn't etched in stone to never change, it's vague on purpose to allow for future changes. Heck they killed off a faction years ago and just revived them a bit over a year ago with a new name and complete lore change, The Leagues of Votann which were previously called the Squats.
@vsGoliath96
@vsGoliath96 3 месяца назад
@@NoiseTheSilent Oh, and don't forget that all of modern Custodes lore is a giant retcon! Remember when they just used to be a bunch of depressed naked dudes wandering around the palace and were only marginally better than Space Marines? Good times.
@ericmacrae6871
@ericmacrae6871 3 месяца назад
​@@vsGoliath96that is the thing about those who loose their mind over this retcon. They act as if it is the end of the world meanwhile they continually retcon everything.
@webkarma9654
@webkarma9654 Месяц назад
The reason that thinking about what you are “including” people on being so massively important is because without that you get people who say shit like: “Man I’m seeing a great lack of black people included at this kkk rally, you guys need to work on being more inclusive!”
@Neknesch
@Neknesch Месяц назад
The only critisism of drinker I have with this one is, that Custodes are NOT SpaceMarines, they have no extra organs or anything they aren't operated on in any way, they will grow that way And the other thing is, they changed it, because of the Amazon Series that they make, Amazon wanted to change Space Marines, but now the changed the Custodes to cater to Amazon...
@jakethornton4856
@jakethornton4856 3 месяца назад
Yeah the worst part of Disney destroying Star Wars is how they started disrespecting and changing all the lore and making it look like crap compared to the old lore cuz the old lore was better. Tbh i have no issue with stories having diverse characters but when they change lore and over saturate everything with forced diversity to the point it overshadows the plot and story to their detriment really sucks.
@AbsurdJest
@AbsurdJest 3 месяца назад
I'll be completely honest, the retcon itself? I do not care, I even maybe like it a little but I wouldn't have cared had they never made this change, from a certain point a view it even makes sense if you dive deeper into what the custodes really are. How they handled it was obviously bad, why they did it I do not know there seem to be multiple answers, etc etc. All I know that this is just exhausting and embarrassing. To be a part of the 40k fandom right now? Even as someone who's choosing to stay out of this whole things and just enjoy the setting? I'm embarrassed. By both sides really. One side begging for unnecessary changes and angering other fans, then others using stupid things like these as fuel for being absolute idiots. It's always like this for such drama. One side demands something be changed according to their will, and then another side will respond to that in anger, but pushing the pendulum way too far back. This just makes me think of the Hogwards Legacy controversy again, and how it ended up just being a cause for more transphobia, ironically. I seriously just want people to just be able to let things be for once... Just once? Is that too much to ask?
@crackedhammer4612
@crackedhammer4612 2 месяца назад
Another controversy was an official artist for 40k and Mtg supports going after people’s families that he disagrees with and “stringing them up.” His literal wording
@semagage
@semagage 3 месяца назад
I got some sort of 40k ad while watching this vid lol
@zDToddy
@zDToddy 3 месяца назад
"There has always been female custodes" Source? I made the fck up
@mumflerdinclebottom5507
@mumflerdinclebottom5507 3 месяца назад
Armstrong: My source is that I made it the fck up
@snipersougo13
@snipersougo13 3 месяца назад
And what's the problem with that? Did you complain about the thousands of other retcons gw made?
@mumflerdinclebottom5507
@mumflerdinclebottom5507 3 месяца назад
@@snipersougo13 Stupid argument: "Every time we gave them an inch, they not just took 1 mile but 10 miles. So let's give them more inches"
@vsGoliath96
@vsGoliath96 3 месяца назад
Which is their right to do so because it's their franchise to retcon as they see fit
@mumflerdinclebottom5507
@mumflerdinclebottom5507 3 месяца назад
@@vsGoliath96 And they will face the consequences for it
@ConquistadoraDeLaEstrella
@ConquistadoraDeLaEstrella 2 месяца назад
saying there's always been female custodians doesn't invalidate the past 30 years of lore though, nor does it interfere with the stories we've already known and learned. All it does is imply that "you just haven't met any yet", which is pretty fair given that across the... 60 ish Horus Heresy books, and the other books where Custodes have been present, both rulebooks and stories, there's only like... 200 named Custodes? Out of 10,000. There's still waaaay more Custodes that haven't ever been given names or characters beyond being "one of the ten thousand". So, now there's women in The 10,000? So what? They're still so far removed from actual humanity that they don't comprehend things in a human manner, and they're still the bodyguard of the Emperor.
@darklelouchg8505
@darklelouchg8505 3 месяца назад
Hey Nux, hope you see this. Check out the episode of Side Scrollers Podcast with Arch in it, covering the 40k Custodes issue. You will not be disappointed.
@TheWolf-op7pu
@TheWolf-op7pu 3 месяца назад
You should watch the opening skit in Adeptus Ridiculous MAGNUS: THE CRIMSON KING episode and Luetin09 episode on the subject
@zDToddy
@zDToddy 3 месяца назад
If you don't feel represented by someone else's work, it was not meant for you, go find something that speaks to you
@willythebeer
@willythebeer 3 месяца назад
Follow up Videos Bricky's "The golden Question" for an opinion from a guy that actively plays the tabletop. Majorkill's "Female Custodes" from a guy whose whole youtube career is built on Warhammer lore. Their opinions may be divisive but they provide another viewpoint from people within the community. Especially MajorKill's who dives into how this affects the universe and why it can work but not spread to the space marines. And that male or female after their alterations they are just massive muscle people who would be indistinguishable from eachother after all that genetic modification.
@willythebeer
@willythebeer 3 месяца назад
If you're not being horni
@hermaeusmora424
@hermaeusmora424 3 месяца назад
Don't forget Luetin
@willythebeer
@willythebeer 3 месяца назад
@@hermaeusmora424 yeah definitely, I was being biased and trying to keep the suggestions small. Nuxalore luetin as well
@Yannis1a
@Yannis1a 2 месяца назад
17:00 "stated extremely consistent" Meanwhile First edition Imperial Bodyguard: *Pillar Men Theme*
@ryanwight9116
@ryanwight9116 3 месяца назад
Is this the start of a Warhammer 40K deep dive?
@venchergaming
@venchergaming 3 месяца назад
Ok. If there were female Custodes, then we can assume it was their fault that the Custodes failed at their one job.
@corvus_armatura7595
@corvus_armatura7595 3 месяца назад
This. I already have a bit of spite towards these golden yes-men but damn they still suck.
@claytonhodges7098
@claytonhodges7098 3 месяца назад
I haven't even finished watching this video, and I can already tell you what's going on: Henry Cavill loves 40K, so the modern inquisition is compelled to destroy it. I'll show myself out.
@acrab6527
@acrab6527 3 месяца назад
@Get-me-out-of-Gacha-hell You don't see that every woke person on Earth already hates him for being a white man, then everyone in hollywood already hates him for insisting The Witcher conform to canon and quitting when it stopped?
@rozoro4215
@rozoro4215 3 месяца назад
​@Get-me-out-of-Gacha-hellNeither does GW apparently
@diegokaqui60
@diegokaqui60 3 месяца назад
​@Get-me-out-of-Gacha-hellyeah ....because they were woke activists ....same with halo...same with Dr who. The same fucking thing everytime.
@rozoro4215
@rozoro4215 3 месяца назад
@Get-me-out-of-Gacha-hell lol the suits at GW care about "their" IP just as much as Disney Execs care about the Star Wars IP. It's just another cash cow for them to milk haphazardly until it inevitably goes under from mismanagement from people who don't respect the characters or the lore in general. The fact that the CFO sold a third of her shares within the company upon exiting after the attempted retcon/gaslight on twitter shows exactly how much confidence and care they have for their product going forward IMO.
@mumflerdinclebottom5507
@mumflerdinclebottom5507 3 месяца назад
​@Get-me-out-of-Gacha-hellWhy do you think people that receive ESG funding would have an interest in retconning the idea that only men can be custodes? It's not a conspiracy theory It's not a coincidence The answer's obvious
@tyeberiusmcintyre1879
@tyeberiusmcintyre1879 3 месяца назад
the 'original' super soldiers were the thunder warriors i believe, not the custodes
@kalebs6201
@kalebs6201 3 месяца назад
This whole thing is stupid, the retcon was stupid, and the outcry was stupid, and lets be honest even if they were just adding new female custodians people like critical drinker would still be mad, also GW sucks at handling the lore of the setting so both sides suck and this drama is annoying
@kalebs6201
@kalebs6201 3 месяца назад
Also i love your reactions and thoughts on the lore Nux! Its been awesome seeing you get into my favorite hobby even a little bit!
@doubledamn2599
@doubledamn2599 3 месяца назад
This can't be about money Nux. This'll just piss off the fans they already have, and the people they're trying to appeal to don't play Warhammer in the first place.
@rahulpanuganti4623
@rahulpanuganti4623 3 месяца назад
Investor money. Doing this can get them funding from Black Rock.
@dylanbowers6292
@dylanbowers6292 3 месяца назад
12:41 Okay, am I the only one who thinks that Nux can't see the bigger picture here when he says that their only doing it for money?
@TiredDoktor6391
@TiredDoktor6391 3 месяца назад
You are not the only one Man is a tourist who thinks a simple weshammer video is enough for him to understand the severity of situation
@fjkahf2192
@fjkahf2192 2 месяца назад
The thing that is annoying is that the things that always tend to be changed are things that are mainly enjoyed by guys, as apparently we're not allowed to enjoy out own things, but if we tried to change something that is enjoyed by other groups we are the bad guys.
@OscarGonzoJim
@OscarGonzoJim 3 месяца назад
tzeentch is responsible im sure
@ScoptOriginal
@ScoptOriginal 3 месяца назад
Sorry Nux, but I made an oath that I would unsubscribe from any channel that used the word 'woke' unironically, so you may have to go.
@Lovehandels
@Lovehandels 3 месяца назад
(shrugs) They are always fucking with the lore of World of Warcraft and don't get me started on Starcraft! So welcome to the recon club scrubs!
@chillenhere8197
@chillenhere8197 3 месяца назад
Nux should react to if the emperor tts
@Jack-0-lantern
@Jack-0-lantern 3 месяца назад
One of the problems nowadays is that corporations now care more about the appearance of success than actual success. What I mean by that is that they seem to care more about getting more investment cash flow from their investors or stockholders then they do about the profits directly coming from their customers. This means that investment firms like Black Rock have more of a say about the direction of the product or story of the product that GW is selling rather then the actual customers that are paying for it. Which can be a problem if their number 1 priority is pushing an agenda rather than making something that their already established fan base would like.
@JoshSweetvale
@JoshSweetvale 3 месяца назад
Fans are nuts. Do not listen to fans.
@snipersougo13
@snipersougo13 3 месяца назад
As a 40k fan idc. Is it a retcon yes, is 40k full of Retcons yes. Depending on how they're portrayed it change's pretty much nothing about the setting
@vsGoliath96
@vsGoliath96 3 месяца назад
People complaining about this shit and saying that it's going to "ruin the hobby" clearly haven't been around long enough to remember Matt Ward.
@snipersougo13
@snipersougo13 3 месяца назад
@@vsGoliath96 he gave us trazyn that's the positive thing i can say about him
@Dr.Metalblood
@Dr.Metalblood 3 месяца назад
You shouldn't give these people an inch. How many times will you say "It's a small change, why does it matter?" until it's damaged enough that you will care?
@snipersougo13
@snipersougo13 3 месяца назад
@@Dr.Metalblood if they're like this an infinite amount
@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561
@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561 3 месяца назад
First. You are not a fan you are a tourist stop gaslighting. 40K is full pf retcons? No not really. Actual retcons are VERY rare and considerate. 90 percent of "retcons" are clarifications. It does effect the setting it fundamentally broken Custodian sub-faction completely. They are unsavlagebly ruined. And unlike you we have Pattern Recognition. It always starts the same.
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