DLC Without the Internet

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Today I wanted to talk about how games updated before the internet became common use for DLC.
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@Jan12700 Год назад

So the E-Reader was just what today amiibos are

@kirotalksyt Год назад

Kinda, yeah 😂

@Deebofreebo Год назад

Except you had to scan them veeeeerry sloooooowly or they would fail.

@jayanimations494 Год назад

@@Deebofreebostill impressive for it’s time

@JacobNintendoNerd99 Год назад

Not really. amiibo unlock content that's actually on the cartridge. e Reader cards were true DLC and that Data was not in the game, outside of certain exceptions like the NES games in animal crossing

@CrqckBack Год назад

@@JacobNintendoNerd99Still DLC 🤷‍♂️

@Fatih_M177 Год назад

The GBA e-reader was honestly the coolest thing back than, it's kinda sad how not a lot of content from the e-reader wasn't worth it, except the 38 extra levels for Mario Advance 4, and i am also glad that the levels are on switch online and *COUGH rom sites.

@toddmansilver12 Год назад

what rom sites do you use? I used to use emuparadise before they got neutered and the few that I've tried have been very confusing to actually get a download from.

@rayminishi689 Год назад

Correction, what the US got in terms of content. Meanwhile Ereader was popular in Japan and they got aloooooot of Ereader cards. From DKC, to Megaman Battlenetwork that Capcom added functionality to it via battle cards in the menu. As well as Mario Kart Circuit

@Fatih_M177 Год назад

@@toddmansilver12 Cough* Cough* Vimms lair which has every version Cough* What rom sites? i play it on my switch which i totally have

@meowmasterL346 Год назад

As a proud owner of all 43 North American e-reader cards for Super Mario Advance 4 (and my cousin's collection of various Animal Crossing/NES cards), this video makes me happy :) Was lowkey hoping you'd touch on the obscure stuff like Gamefreak implementing PATCHES in Pokemon by simply trading with a non-broken copy, or the original Internet DLC: Sega Channel for the Genesis back in the 90's!

@maisha2209 Год назад

My dad brought smash ultimate's dlc thinking it was the whole game

@ZTimeGamingYT Год назад

The downloadable content for many 3DS and Wii U games are now legally lost to time, unfortunately. Edit: I don't have anything against pirating games that can never be brought back, nor do I not know that things like the hShop exist. I just wanted to make the distinction in the original comment that, yes, there are other methods of obtaining "lost" DLC, without making it seem blatantly obvious. Geez.

@Fatih_M177 Год назад

"Hey did you know how easy it is to hack your 3DS" (i hope people will get the reference)

@keystep8669 Год назад

That's why you gotta sail the seven seas occasionally.

@hppvitor Год назад

hShop exists, therefore no

@ZTimeGamingYT Год назад

@@hppvitor "legally"

@Smiles-Youtube Год назад

⁠⁠@@hppvitorlegally lost to time still unless Nintendo official reopens the eshop which is never happening (plus Hshop/3hs is illegal)

@edwinperez4509 Год назад

I had an eReader. It made me fail in love with Excitebike. Pretty fun and simple to play on the road

@marvelstarwarsfan8410 Год назад

I always like it whenever dlc updates are released physically to preserve the dlc that could become unobtainable when the online store closes.

@Chubby_Bub Год назад

_Dōbutsu no Mori e+_ really made use of the e-Reader because for Japan you could finally scan the cards directly to the GameCube. What was really cool about this is that you could invite the characters on the cards to your town (and the new characters were card-exclusive), and because the villager data is stored on the dot codes, this allowed for the magazine Nintendo DREAM to hold a reader contest to design a new villager and mascot, Nindori-kun. This also means nowadays you can easily make custom GameCube villagers because the game has built-in support for it!

@steveluvscows2490 Год назад

My man is brave enough to put Ankha in the thumbnail in the year 2023. Respect.

@mjama2132 Год назад

Dlc isn't always cheap

@bobbyshewan4229 Год назад

When you’re broke it never is🤷🏿‍♂️

@nicebear8705 Год назад

@bobbyshewan4229 Год назад

@Victhehedgehog I edited it twice bc I fucked it up😭

@blastkidz1037 Год назад

Is it even cheap now?

@memeelfman324 Год назад

1:22 *camel by camel intensifies*

@kaxcommentssomethingREAL Год назад

please do not the cat

@SuperFlashDriver Год назад

00:05 In the 2010s and the present/future, it is very easy for a developer to update a broken game that was glitched on launch day. But back in 2005 and before, the way DLC was made was done differently compared to 2006 and later.

@nobodycares607 Год назад

No shit.

@SuperFlashDriver Год назад

@@nobodycares607 I'm serious. If the game before 2005 was garbage, well, it simply was garbage, no way to fix it once it's fully made. But ever since the rise of digital marketplaces in 2006 and beyond, they've always release early access games to drip feed content in favor of getting people's money early so they're unable to refund them when the game's broken as syrup and fudge...Unfortunately, it's become the norm ever since 2015, and whatever we do to stop it doesn't work very well with users under 18.

@josecerda96 Год назад

In a way, amiibo are pretty much the modern equivalent of e-reader cards as they add bonus content to compatible games.

@radiantblack1360 Год назад

Interesting. Never knew about those exclusive berries on the Pokemon e reader cards, and definitely interesting with the changes to the American and Japanese Animal Crossing GameCube versions. Nice vid.

@JoLiKMC Год назад

Honestly, the e-Reader was just a throwback to a previous peripheral, the Bandai "Datach Joint ROM System". The Datach was a device for the Family Computer which could play special game carts and, of course, you could scan cards to unlock things. It was mostly used for some _Gundam_ and _Dragon Ball Z_ card battle games.

@ironyoshi27 Год назад

Babe wake up Kiro just posted… please… wake up… I don’t know what I’m supposed to do without you

@Gary-iw1of Год назад

Jesus, man

@pokesketcherandy Год назад

Kiro, you’re my fav new (to me) channel man. Keep up with the great content!

@kirotalksyt Год назад

Thanks, I'll do my best!

@latsaspege2021 Год назад

your content is really good! keep up the good work! :) Btw happy birthday

@frogmouth2 Год назад

Japanese children trying to ask their parents to buy animal crossing a 3rd time

@that24tankengine91 Год назад

We could say the same for S&K even though its actually a sequel or the rest of a unfinished product, they did market it as a add-on for sonic 3

@whyrwehere Год назад

Yeah Sega literally sold us one half of the game and the other half later.

@GribbleGob Год назад

they literally only did that because of McDonalds.

@SirToastyToes Год назад

Some of the e reader trainers in Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire have shiny Pokemon, and in Japanese FireRed and LeafGreen the Trainer Tower trainers can have shinies depending on what floor you put them on

@grayanddevpdx Год назад

1:23 never have truer words been spoken.

@McSteve6000 Год назад

Another great video as always!

@kirotalksyt Год назад

Thanks, much appreciated.

@BasementDweller_ Год назад

E Reader reminds me of old Amiibo content. Back when you got exclusive gameplay elements like a bonus level, weapon, or a quality of life feature.

@_SoCalYellow_ Год назад

it'd be cool if nintendo rereleased the original dōbutsu no mori for animal crossing's 25th anniversary in 3 years, no localization changes except for translation

@imselfaware419 Год назад

Why not the e+ version instead...

@_SoCalYellow_ Год назад

that would be nice as an alternate mode or smth

@_SoCalYellow_ Год назад

that way we could play both versions if we wanted to

@SuperFlashDriver Год назад

@@_SoCalYellow_ Well yeah, on the main menu after you press start, it'll give you two options: Original (The Japanese re-release of the N64 game), USA version, PAL version, and the E-Reader Version all as options to pick your type of gaming....Of course, with emulation being the only thing, only time will tell whether Nintendo bothers with it or not.

@salaniorgaan2296 Год назад

@@imselfaware419 The e+ version has Tasha too, so I agree.

@Luppay131498 Год назад

Thanks for this great video! I wish e-Reader content was made more accessible outside of Japan. Kind of sad that it never took off in the US.

@Mankey619 Год назад

Interesting that you need something like the E-Reader and it’s booster pack for your GBA, just to get some extra features for your handheld games. It’s indeed Nintendo’s early DLC without the use of the internet. I wish they do something like this today.

@cabbusses Год назад

This video seems like it should have gone in on some of the things the 64DD and Satellaview did. F-Zero X Expansion Kit and the 8M pack downloads for those ASCII carts go right along with these.

@ciennaquidd6486 Год назад

great video!!! you should do a video on how hackers gamed the early DLC system in animal crossing wii, releasing their own hacked DLC like lightsaber axes and custom villagers and stuff. its still wild to me that this happened at all, or how little coverage its gotten over the years for such a brilliant exploit. so little custom modded assets have ever been able to be spread via ingame mechanics in games ever

@nkbell231 Год назад

i swear you already uploaded this a while ago, im getting heavy deja vu

@dreamwonderin Год назад

same

@rodrigolefever2426 Год назад

This is the 3rd video on how gane updated before the internet

@kirotalksyt Год назад

Another video in the series!

@SuryaBudimansyah Год назад

@@kirotalksytYou should number your videos if they are part of a series

@Sly88Frye Год назад

I'm going to be honest I actually didn't even know about this e-reader back in the day. I do remember seeing an advertisement in a magazine back then that involved plugging in the Game Boy Advance into the GameCube and I also did play The legend of Zelda four swords adventure which made it very clear that to do multiplayer you had to plug in Game Boy advances into the GameCube controller ports which I thought just kind of sucked that you had to do all that effort, but I wasn't even aware of the eCard feature at all. I'm glad that now with switch online although it does require the expansion pass which I still think they're charging more than they should for it but anyways I'm glad that Super Mario Advance 4 is on there with all the e-reader levels available right away. That's really awesome!

@cingkrazy1412 Год назад

I can’t wait to watch this guy talk about games update or get dlc before internet for the 17,068th time

@Sparkette Год назад

What about the Dreamcast? The Sonic Adventure games, for instance, could load DLC from the memory card. This did use the Internet, but it was back in the days of dial-up, years before DLC really became a common thing.

@ArtisanAspirationWorks Год назад

I used a berry card specifically to get Milotic. Very useful.

@JustJulyo Год назад

I still want that E-card reader

@mr.sushi2221 Год назад

I remember getting my mom to take me to get the eon ticket. I also remembered the mew and special Pokémon events.

@catmoon95 Год назад

The e-reader reminds me of these thing used in the dinosaur king anime to summon the dinosaurs

@DarthPooh Год назад

The e reader Mario levels felt like a rom hack

@EndGameEnt Год назад

I definitely used the e-reader with Animal Crossing.

@KiomonDuck Год назад

QUIT MAKING ME FEEL OLD "...two decades ago..."

@rmcoutinho Год назад

Dlc With no surfing in the net

@leviwarren6222 Год назад

Remember going to Best Buy to connect to the DS hotspot to get some sweet DLC?

@averybeckett Год назад

Very cool. There are lots of other examples of DLC without internet, outside of just the E-Reader. Like, a lot. Just to name a few: Gamecube demo discs 12 and 16 had a patch for the berry glitch of Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire, pretty much locking the bug fix behind visiting retailers for a short period in 2004/2005. WWF No Mercy for the N64 had a -1 variant of the cart that patched a glitch in level 2 or 3, and the only way to get it was to send in your old cart to the publishers. While not technically downloadable, the same existed for Bubble Bobble Revolution on the DS - the made a new version that patched out a glitch in the original, before wi-fi for games was a common phenomenon. This is really just scratching the surface, there’s a lot more out there.

@Py687 11 месяцев назад

Different versions of arcade games (like Street Fighter) could arguably be considered DLC as well. SF3's original release was New Generation, followed by 2nd Impact and then 3rd Strike.

@averybeckett 11 месяцев назад

@@Py687 Absolutely. I just meant to say that this video was very surface level. It seemed to be hyper focused on the E-Reader when there are so many other (and frankly, better) examples of DLC without internet out there. While I'm sure it wasn't attempting to be comprehensive, I wish there was more of a core thesis to it all - there's a lot to discuss here! It felt like a reading of E-Reader functionality rather than an analysis

@Py687 11 месяцев назад

Agreed

@frogman5534 Год назад

Hey

@xChillDudex Год назад

we need a video of every time he says e-reader

@fv457 Год назад

I remember wanting one so badly as a kid but could never find a single game store that actually sold it. Best Buy/circuit city never had it in stock

@xlicer Год назад

7:54 > it would be a shame if these levels ended up as lost media because of the e-reader being discontinued Cof.. cof… emulation enters the picture

@xlovingstonx Год назад

Video was super cool, I was an E-Reader owner myself and had some of the SMA4 cards. I will say, as a slight nitpick, the video is kind of a misnomer. Only in the sense that you’ve only covered one format of internet-free DLC. A retitle could/would fix this, but it’s really not the most important of gripes.

@firejammer8526 Год назад

I feel like i watched this somewhere

@martin.reviews Год назад

This channel is the definition of "nah imma do my own thing"

@Mr.Unfantastic Год назад

Laughs in sonic 3 & Knuckels

@jasperfox6821 Год назад

The most interesting thing i got from this video was "white day" an opersite valentines day huh, seems kinda pointless to me, on valentines day, me and my boyfriend usually just get each other gifts, lmao.

@Solidier1 Год назад

They either make a update version like the million of Street Fighters out there, call back the billion of copies on shelves and release the newer version (like spiderman the movie where they took out playing as Mary Jane), Release a greatest hits version, or sometimes no update at all (looking at you Resident Evil Outbreak and Ghostbusters the video game on ps2).

@KhakiCap Год назад

I thought this video would talk about ALL THE TYPES of DLC's that existed before the common internet DLC's, not just the e-Reader.

@dudnia8449 Год назад

Kiro new vid ❤❤

@winlover37 Год назад

DLC used to be very exciting for me. Insert boomer comment about how games used to launch complete, but they did. The DLC then was the cherry on top of the already delicious -and satisfying on its own- sundae.

@DankRedditMemes Год назад

Huh, judging by the Pokémon cards, I assume that e-Reader dot codes can actually contain binary/executable data? I always assumed they were just a key for stuff already in the game cart.

@Kai-fx3kp Год назад

New vid

@i_used_adblock_to_watch_this Год назад

Is it just me or is this the third time you uploaded this video?

@kirotalksyt Год назад

I've made videos about this topic before, but with different examples in each video!

@EstebanAlvarez-Tostado Год назад

Didn’t you upload a video similar to this before?

@trelllTT Год назад

What’s the game in the first clip??

@Jelly_shy_guy_man Год назад

DLC IS FOR MR EA BECAUSE ALL DLC IS MONEY

@goatbone Год назад

And I'm guessing the content was already in the game? They started early with the shady DLC practices.

@stephens7136 11 месяцев назад

In animal crossing it's just unlocks for on-disc content, but a lot of the e-reader stuff was actually coded on the cards. You could fit one full NES game in a pack of 6-8 cards. The mario advance levels were coded on the cards and people have cracked the code to make custom levels, but the "new" enemies that appear in those levels were already on the base cartridge.

@ko-n Год назад

@darthmarticusLFC Год назад

The title was a bit misleading. I thought this was going to be a look at how games in general used to receive expansions and updates. Instead half the video is on the western localisation of one specific game and the other half is all in e-readers.

@Wish13 Год назад

I have an E-Reader!

@SilentVinyl Год назад

neat

@Hausbau. Год назад

EA don‘t do that they release garden warfer 2 on steam 1 year ago and the servers are broken and you see everywhere hacker but I love the game

@leoespinaotero2590 Год назад

It feels like the Amiibo are the successors of the e-reader cards; but with way worse content

@StrawhatDawn Год назад

4:57 explain please :)

@wacotablet1055 10 месяцев назад

Wait, why do people consider the e-reader cool when it was essentially just the precursor to the modern day one built-in DLC? You had content shipped with the game that was locked away until you paid an extra fee.

@BrennanMorris Год назад

It's me, I care about E-reader content. I'd never buy one myself cause I'm not a psychopath but I eat up all history and knowledge of this cursed product.

@claysoggyfries Год назад

I don't play Animal Crossing

@lamiatorchani7648 Год назад

0:28 then why didn't you just call it "Animal Forest"

@monopolyrubix1875 Год назад

Algorithm comment

@kirotalksyt Год назад

Always clutch 😎

@Mamimigaming Год назад

Kiro loves bbc

@dreamwonderin Год назад

kiro heart this if its true..

@armadrilloturk5835 Год назад

Lego star wars 2 ds, When its released game was So buggy So they released a patched version of the game Here is how to spot its patched version: You need look code in behind of the carthidge Unpatched's code is: AL7EN0 Patched's code is: AL7EN1