Do Miracle Healings Exist? Doctors vs Holistic Healers | Middle Ground 

True. I think holistic healthcare is amazing for certain chronic health conditions, or if you're someone who typically responds poorly to drugs (I have a liver disorder that makes taking most meds dangerous). But if you need to remove a tumor or you have a heart attack, you'd better see a regular MD. Everything has it's time and place.

Felipe Revuelta Foreal tho

nah just sniff some eucalyptus oil and go on your way x

Ong

@@Goat.Cheese Couldn't have said it better myself.

mike but 911 will take your organs out

True true . Call a priest and pray :))

@@Noner1234 you're a wierd guy

@Ghost Kilzzz i think he was being sarcastic

neither do most holistic healers.

Fr😂😂😂

@Ophiuchus no

@Ophiuchus I walked under a psychics house and the windchimes went .. I thought something of it ... what is the symbolism???? What are you guys talking about I'm sorry for ease- dropping

@Ophiuchus actually after that I got my first personal read actually from people that worked there and it wasnt a good read and I was like dang they usually are and on my way home from the day there was a dead snake in the road

Natasha Godfrey a sign if I’ve ever seen one 🙊

AGREED

Seriously… I was disgusted omg

I was so shocked to see that.

Its concerning indeed but I'd argue that we should take it with a grain of salt when talking about applying these perspectives onto the entire community. It's a very small sample size, like 3 people out of millions. I've watched documentaries where there are doctors, physicians and etc who argue for universal healthcare.

I deeply cannot understand this "but not in America", because in America, you have to pay your way out of cancer? But in Canada you don't? Where is the argument here? Where is the logic? Where is the compassion? Sounds like the propaganda has seeped in REALLY deep

Holly I wouldn’t be so quick to judge her. I had a feeling like that with my fourth on his first set of vaccines. And my gut was right. He had a bad reaction to the vaccines. It was traumatic. The thing is people need to understand not all vaccines or medications work for everyone. My other kids are all vaccinated but my little dude isn’t because of what happened to him at 3 months old. It really is scary and I hope they find a way to test whether someone will react badly to them or not

Gil M grats ms.psychic

@@lovel8558 Did I trigger you? lol

Gil M probably not but it seems like she triggered you

@@Hcamsd if u dont mind me asking, what was the bad reaction?

Ona don’t even apologize

I mean she won't live longer it's alright 🤣

Alpha Sierra and so are her children 💀

As soon as she had "holistic healer" under her name I couldn't take her seriously

@@abi2767 she probably will. I mean, sadly it's her children who are not getting vaccinated.

Ryan Kelly Mate , herbalist or healers the likes have been here for thousands of years , not 250yrs ...none of them relying on western medicine, as for my family we do not rely on modern medicine and we are much healthier for sure , our uncle had cancer and wasn’t in terrible condition at all , he was still healthy and super active.went for check up in hospital and they suggested chemotherapy, four days later he was dead ! We are still shocked , that bloody chemotherapy had killed him ! Not his cancer..so ,Allopathic medicine only if I have broken bones , even that plenty of healers can put bones together without troubles or surgeries, Facts !

lita lucas Did it ever occur to you that the cancer killed him, because chemotherapy isn’t an instant cure. Also for those thousands of years when people relied on herbalism they only lived until their 40s or 50s on average and most children died before 18.

@@lololucas4031 people relied on blood letting your point isssssss.

We do take those courses, at least in Ontario, Canada

Lewis Guinn actually the average age was around 30 but if you survived child hood you live to your 70s and 80s

right? some people....

Am OK with that based on my experience to that duality

Thousands of years. Not just hundreds

Yeah the lady who said she has never had a positive experience with a doctor is just being silly. I mean every doctor she went to was racist? Every one? Sometimes people carry their expectations with them and it obscures their judgment I think. Modern medicine has benefited humanity in so many revolutionary ways. But we can’t dismiss the other side either because healers, shamans, witches, etc actually have a much longer history. They were the first doctors. A lot of that knowledge has been lost unfortunately. That doesn’t mean everyone who claims to be a healer or every remedy is going to work. I would say some of it is just wishful thinking but sometimes on a rare occasion, it is miraculous and goes beyond what traditional medicine is capable of.

You do know science is always always changing And people have different experiences. Medicine also effects everyone differently.

Clorox Bleach fActs

Too harsh chill

@HappyBaker yet some people die from vaccines so it goes both ways

Michaela I looked and could not find any credible sources saying this is true. Even bad reactions to vaccines are rare and are caused by rare allergies.

@@maurifick7471 Well, since my mother almost died because of the flu vaccine, I can say that I don't trust vaccines. She was in the hospital for ten days, they have her steroids, her temp was 106F, and they couldn't help her. She lost her voice for over two months after she got out of the hospital.

Ellie why would she when she has essentially oils my dude

That one wasn't it

@@jamalabadi9149 lmaooo

Baith Abadi BAJHAOSNSJSHDIDI

The child seems to be doing fine judging from her maybe MMR is not for child out there

Haha, you have some wit. But just so you know, that's not how it works if you are talking to anyone who is even halfway legit. Maybe don't base your opinions of real people on caricatures.

@@welshieranger4697 What I meant is that no legitimate alternative medicine practitioner would prescribe freaking herbs for a car accident. They'd tell you to go to the hospital like anyone else because they aren't idiots. My point is that there are different ways to treat different things. A legit holistic practitioner is not going to tell you that their treatments can solve everything and never to use western medicine. None of the people in this video said that and none of the doctors I have ever been to say that. You seem to have a caricature of what you think a holistic practitioner does in your mind and I am saying that it's wrong.

Might be the best thing. I was in an accident, was force to go to the hospital in an ambulance and kept against my will and charged over 10 thousand dollars when the only treatment I received was a drop of liquid bandaid. Would have preferred a nice cup of tea.

I very much believe in using herbs because they have helped me with several health issues. But I still go to medical doctors for issues as well and inform them what I am doing. When treatment and further tests are suggested by my medical doctor regarding anything, I do my research and I make the best decision for myself. Most of the time I do turn down medications, depending on what it is. Most meds I have taken in the pass have given me issues due to side effects. So if I can take an herb to do the same job without the side effects, then this is great. Not all herbalists/holistic healers think the same. Yes, I want to go to the emergency room if I am in a car accident. I think you all are being extreme thinking these people wouldn't want medical intervention if in an accident.

As apposed to.getting what, the morphine? I'm confused on this. Last I checked your body heals on its own, if you put in it what it needs.

Exactly 😂

These people will get what they deserve by dying of easily preventable illnesses

I think she was implying Organ trafficking or similar misconduct

Me too. Had I not had 1 removed I'd be dead. I'm hoping shes speaking as in the "mistake" cases n doesnt believe appendicitis will vanish. Mine was about to burst n without removing it n the fact I lived alone I prob would have died before I could move n get anywhere upon rupture. The other I chose to remove myself n it was actually the most painless surgery I've ever had. Not violent at all.

Plss 💀

it sounds like she was the boss of the pediatrician

If I was a paediatrician I wouldn't want an unvaccinated child around the other children I care for

My daughter's pediatrician straight up says in their intake forms that they don't tolerate parents who don't vaccinate. If that's you, leave right now.

@@ghillies4life fr, they're just being responsible

Lapinporokoira or near me either! i would let them know im don’t tolerate anti-vaxx so dot bother

This is my exact thought process. Modern medicine is meant to cure physical ailments, Holistic treatments always seemed like a quality of life treatment or a spirit lifting procedure. Both of which are fine, its just there are situations where one is more appropriate.

Thankyou *Hypno **_THERAPY_** is therapy, its not supposed to cure cancer lol*

Knowledge Is Key where are these numbers coming from?

That's exactly it. The herbalist isn't who you go to to fix a broken bone, they're who you go to when your acne flares up. My doctor does my bloodwork; my local woo-woo shop helps when it's a little tummyache.

if appropriately applied doesn’t matter what it is and important to be informed

Exactly

Exactly. And its not like they dont have private hospitals in countries with universal healthcare

YES. I was actually surprised that only one person walked forward...the idea of universal healthcare has become increasingly popular with the American public (not like a decade ago when things were more mixed) but yeah, I think they all stand to lose money if the system changes. I also hate how the question was whether the US should have universal healthcare, all but one disagreed, but when they all sat down they were like "Well of course everyone should have access to healthcare, but..." and then did the whole song and dance about why it wouldn't work in the US. Whether or not adopting universal healthcare in the States would be difficult or complicated was not the question, whether or not we should have it was. And neither are questions anyway...of COURSE transitioning to universal healthcare will be hard for the US, but of COURSE we should still do it, for both humanistic and economic reasons.

Except care in America is much better than care in Canada. The problem is the people pay too much for it. Quality needs to be raised across the board and the government should take that hit. This is coming from a canadian. Plus doctors get paid by the government anyway so they are becoming ultra rich as well

yup

Lol which one 😅

*Hypno **_THERAPY_** is therapy, its not supposed to cure cancer lol* EDIT: guys, chill the fk out. It doesnt work for everyone, its basically placebo, and I meant psychotherapy.

Placebo effect can only do so much

@@giovanniherrera6037 They are saying that you should use both.

@@giovanniherrera6037 Hypnotherapists agree with you.

Knowledge Is Key would love to see your peer reviewed source for this :)

America likes ritual sacrifices: Sacrifice the poor for the benefit of the rich

If you look at most of the democratic candidates, their plans cut out private health care. So yes, other countries have universal/public as well as private, but the most of the USA democratic candidates pushing for universal health care will not allow private health care.

AsbestosLover666 All of them profit off the private sector. That’s why they support it.

Honestly it was pretty shocking/disappointing

@annaisabella100 in Germany, everyone is required to pay healthcare insurance but you can choose what you pay for (private/public) and there are some that specialize in chronic illness, elderly etc.

Agreed. I find it crazy that a lot of Americans don’t support UHC. Even though we all pay for it through taxes, I could not imagine someone who needs serious medical attention to be footed with a tens-even hundreds-of thousands dollar medical bill after. That’s absolutely wild to me.

@@mc_xtreamer7012 That would make taxes go up ALOT! Like alot alot

@@kaylie8486 A universal healthcare system is actually cheaper than our current one

I've lost hope for Americans. We elected Trump and now we have Trump going against Biden, a man with dementia. Yes, I've no hope at all for my.fellow citizens.

Long time a ago I wanted to live in the US now I don't even want to visit lol

Katy Out n About right? It’s not difficult to say

I guess the term oncologist is just too abstract for people's small brains lol

well, medical students are taught not to use medical terms toward people who aren't in the same field. it's to avoid possible confusion.

I know the word oncologist because one of my loved ones has cancer. There's nothing wrong with saying "oncologist, I work with people who have cancer"

what's wrong with the term cancer doctor tho? saying it that way will make it easier for more people to understand.

So true 😂😂😂

this is so accurate!! never related that much as much I've related to your comment in my entire life!

Ayyy its corona time

Jessie Lin in my department, we have a student who went to medical school and is a licensed physician in China, and came to the US to study immunology and cell biology to be a cancer researcher. One of her family members back in China has developed the same type of cancer she specializing with in research, and they refuse to take any of her advice and are only relying on ancient Chinese medicine such as herbs, acupuncture, and meditation. The sad part is, if they had taken her advice, the cancer likely could have been successfully treated, but are now likely terminal.

FACTS FACTS

Lmao right? Glad I'm not the only one who thought that title was so weird. I mean a doctor and a physician are the same thing to begin with.

He might have just been speaking in layman's terms for the sake of the video and its intended audience. They encourage you to do so as a health care professional so the general population knows what you're talking about.

welpp but would the holistic healers have known? loll

kassafrass not everyone knows what oncology mean and some ppl aren’t brave enough to admit that🤷🏼‍♀️

If he claimed to be an oncologist these woo woo hustlers would treat him like they treat other science concepts and ingredients they can't pronounce. With fear and smugness mixed into one

Because someone else shouldnt have to pay for someone elses medical bill

@@kaylie8486 That's what you say until you need an expensive surgery.

@@AlexCab_49 My spouse has had expensive surgery and at no time did we feel like anyone else was responsible for paying our bill. Expecting/demanding others to take care of your responsibilities is just asinine.

@@AlexCab_49, So the mailman shoulf be paying for you bills huh?

@@ClockworkWyrm no it's not, it's called being a decent human being and making sure that everyone is able to get said surgery if they need it :)

Very well said.

Thissss

Don't worry, there are no higher powers that are not physics.

I have much respect for his restraint on his response. I wouldn't been able to keep my cool like him. She also lost any smidge of respect I had for her with the comment.

Been a while since we've had that

I agree but I think that some of their calmness, especially the medical professionals' calmness has to do with how much they have to lose in their profession and the backlash they will receive from their offices if they don't keep their cool. The medical field will throw you under the bus if you don't keep up the impressions they want - complaints about a doctor being 'hostile' to an opposition like an anti-vaxxer can be damning to their reputation and paint more dire pictures about who they are.

@@suqmaddiqq That part ☝️

Unlike the men’s right activists vs feminist

Santiago de Compost Bin That could definitely be true. If it is, credits to them for being able to keep their cool lmao

Because the doctors have to remain professional no matter what in all situations. Everyone wants to sue a doctor. On top of that if you get in legal trouble for anything in the medical field practically all hospitals and most offices throw you right under the bus without thought. So they can't yell at or even come off as intolerant of stupidity like an Anti-vaxxer. Too much risk to not be a robot. Also the medical field eats your soul tbh

Chelsea wow I never thought of that , thank you for that point of view

there wasn't even arguments between everyone. there were more discussions and coming from places of innerstanding rather than right and wrong.

maaayapapaya i know , I wrote these before watching the video , I loved it o

I'm glad someone pointed this out.

Basix same thing how parents say “how can i trust this doctor that has seen my child for 15 minutes when i see it for my entire life” well... doctors did indeed go to school... you don’t have to be with a child 24/7 to diagnose their problems 🤦🏽‍♂️ if you don’t trust the doctor don’t go to the doctor simple as that

There's a difference between having knowledge and using it though. The rates of misdiagnosis or outright dismissiveness are alarming. There are great doctors out there, but there are terrible ones too.

@@aelinluna3434 source ?

True, but I've had 40 years of experience with my chronic illness, which I can guarantee you is more than any doctor who is not a specialist. And even then for almost the first 18 years of my life, your average doctor didn't believe it was a "real" disease.

Yes but sometimes they get stuck on their textbook knowledge and provide shitty treatment. My sister had a stroke but was sent home with no care because "she was too young to have a stroke." They only cared about what their textbooks told them and not the obvious symptoms my sister was experiencing.

To be honest, not all vaccinations are created equal, and most people are already in poor health and in a weak metabolic and immunological state. Vaccination is nuanced

@@memefeed2147 No, that's not how anything works. The majority of people are not "already in poor health and in a weak metabolic and immunological state". Furthermore what the fuck does weak metabolic state have to do with a vaccine? Like their hyperthyroidism is going to affect the vaccine effectiveness? You need to understand the risk and reward ratio before making comments like these.

@@aggressivelyamicable5987 perhaps the flu vaccine is one that is not super effective/neccecary but the woman was referring to the MMR vaccine, that one is CRITICAL.

It's funny and sad 98% of you bashing her for not getting her kid vaccinated don't even know what's in vaccines.. Go read the inserts then come give your opinion Common sense over " science"

@@kaitlynnrichter4455 I've read the inserts and studied the science behind it in university - I'll take my lifesaving vaccines over a resurgence of measles, thank you very much.

i agree

no

Exactly. When holistic medicine doesn't work; actual medical medicine will be there to save you 🙃

@@Quanic2000 Many "actual" medicine can give you side effects. Medicine is medicine, western medicine doesn't default to actual

@@Takumiotoko so what eradicated smallpox; essential oils or vaccines?

11:35 “if it was that simple it would be done already” That’s really the point, there’s a complexity to universal healthcare and they know better than anyone how complex it is especially in a large country like the USA

It honestly blew my mind none of them did. Here in the UK it is the greatest thing this country has ever done. Speak to anyone from the UK they will tell you the same. That includes almost every healthcare professional. Unless of course they are private doctors who just want money.

It also took me aback. The guy explains it well, but it's something you wouldn't expect coming from a health practitioner. They know how complex it is since they do this for a living, but it's a very harsh reality. I'm from Latin America where universal healthcare does exist, but the quality is not the best... So far you can't have both.

The one in blue was down for integration and doing ones own research

@@alexalonzo4070 ok I know a lot of doctors in the US who support universal healthcare and they also understand the complexities of the healthcare system? It isn't impossible and even if it actually was impossible I think they shouldve stepped forward out of principle

They all live in america tho

@@alexarreola3801 yea thats whats shes saying

And everything that was said against it is just something they are mistaken about: 1. You don't get what you pay for. Theoretically, a universal healthcare should cost the average person more, yet America's costs are so high that no universal health care is more expensive to the average person when compared to America. And I don't mean similar costs that just barely put them over the edge, I mean American's are on average paying a multiple of 2+ more for their health care. 2. They aren't getting higher quality because they spend more. America's health care is frequently placed among the worst in developed countries. 3. It really is that simple which is why it's crazy to say it isn't. If every other developed country can figure it out, including so many that have a worse economy than the US, they should be able to figure it out as well.

Glad I don't live there.

Sadly, a lot of other Americans are heartless. Yes, I’m American myself.

Meditation could literally be considered a holistic medicine

why western medicine, the medicine is worldwide.

Also just a sidenote. "when something is proven to actually work." What if the scientific medicine only works because it activates a holistic healing frequency? The current science doesn't understand their own proofs. So nothing is really proven through science. The superficial layer might be cured only through science, however the energy is where the true healing happens. Science will catch up this decade. As an example Science believes Consciousness is a brain function. It's a force field created by the DNA in your whole body. Once science figure out this, we will have insane discoveries.

@@MasterKnutA Care to share any valid scientific experimental evidence for this or did you just read this off a blog or watch a youtube video for this information and believed it without a second thought. "holistic healing frequency" frequency refers to the number of times something repeats in a given amount of time, usually a second and is measured in hertz. What about holistic healing is repeating? And no there isn't some magical force field created by DNA. If so what kind? Magnetic field, electric field, gravitational, Higgs. Or are you just making this up with no confirmation whats so ever? DNA is literally just a chemical, what makes it so special that it gets its own field.

All science was "magic" at one point. Do not equate our universe to a machine. There is so much we do not know.

*fantastic

@@welikelethabo sry, german autocorrect

@@DarkSoul-uh5ic it’s okay💕

Germany has a significantly lower population

@@JNB0723 Geez, always finding excuses 🙄

Asians also live the longest Specifically Japanese.

Yeah same in Europe

Middle ground fallacy

Agreed

Nope

Yeah it was very much disgusting to see this

I’ve heard from a few Canadians that they have long wait times and the doctors don’t seem to care as much as the doctors here. They’ve had to go back for the same thing multiple times because they’ve been rushed out the door. Have you seen this in your country?

Nicholas Sides public healthcare is not perfect, there are lines and there are waiting lists, but your regular “family doctor” (idk how to say that in English) is free: you are sick, you need meds, you can go there and being visited and you don’t pay. More importantly: if you hurt yourself very badly and you need to go to the hospital you can call the ambulance and they bring you to the hospital and heal you and you don’t have to pay. You don’t have to pay for insuline for diabetes and most meds for serious illnesses are free or partially free. If you need for example to be visited quickly there is plenty of places where you can pay and be visited almost immediately and the majority of people uses them, but it remains the fact that if you fall and break your leg and you are in atrocious pain you don’t have to think about not calling an ambulance because it will cost you thousands. Public and universal healthcare in Europe goes along with private healthcare, is not a perfect service but at least no one is left behind.

@@gemsix876 yes, it does happen in germany, too. The system is not perfect and private insurances are better than the public ones. Still, no one who is registered has to fear the bills their children may have to pay in the hospitals more than dying of something that could be taken care of.

Nicholas Sides of course everything is subsided by taxes that we pay but they are proportionate to your wage, medical surgery or meds can cost hundreds of thousands and I think it is cool that we all pay less and we pay for everyone. It is not perfect but at least I don’t have to collect a debt because I broke some bones

for real. holistic "healing" is okay as a supplement to evidence-based medicine - if you got in a car crash and you think acupuncture will help the back pain IN ADDITION TO seeing an MD, then all the power to ya. but it breaks my heart when i hear about terminal cancer patients who go to those ~natural~ treatment centres in mexico when they stop trusting in western medicine.

Yeah my parents didn’t believe my protruding ribs and bad posture was an issue when I asked to go to the doctor. I grew up and learned I have scoliosis. Now I can’t wear a brace cause I’m too old for it to really help

Do you mean modern medicine??

and I know people who died from not seeking proper health

Eh. No. Its a completely different system. Thats like saying all languages are english because they serve the same purpose.

@@nickloveskangin No, because you can't measure the effectiveness of a language or prove that it "works" better than other, which you can totally do with medicine.

@@nickloveskangin The stuff that works (and is tested fairly to check) is medicine. The rest is placebo and taking advantage of the vulnerable.

Western medicine... with literal roots in central Asia.

Conventional/ western medicine= giving out synthetic pills.

@King White Knight and she had YET to experience a positive medical service. smh

King White Knight there is racial bias tho? doctors discriminate against poc, especially woc all the time...

I think she was talking about organ harvesting, doctors taking a black person's organs without consent

Ya know or her deceased family members being organ donors.

I killed chickens and removed their organs.

Njieno/NJ Anom woah 😱 great idea, I’d love to see that one 👍🏽

Njieno/NJ Anom idk man it sounds good in principle but there’s a lot of hatred from both sides and it’ll make a lot of viewers (including me) upset

Big facts.... not just African tho any black person that’s not from America(Carribean, South American etc) Vs African Americans

To quote Aries Spears, "We don't like da black man in America. You don't work, you don't do sh*t, moodah fahkah."

african americans set the standard for the world. period.

I’m sorry for your loss. Same thing happened to Steve Jobs.

Marcie I mean, he had the disease from 2003 and died 2011. That’s 8 years.

She still going to died in hospital.. there more people died in hospital.. but people understand it because hospital still have it limit in curing people.. that why nobody complain

@@bregieirofernandes steven jobs will died early if he go to hospital

Sorry

You don't need their healers, you need their patients. The result won't be what you are expecting.

haha no doubt about it 😆

@@mitza420 nope. Some people are actually healers in real life. It is a calling. It’s something **others** can get in their life and it’s actually very good.

An allopathic doctor might say the same thing

😂😂😂😂

Blue suit boys

Looks nice though !

When a person wears blue you trust them more. They say to wear blue when you go for an interview. Google it it’s crazy

Yeah they say blue colour is lime a "trust colour" for brain. i winder how many of them did that on purpose and how many didnt though, if any, would be nice

My eyes! Send help

They crips cuH

Blue represents honesty, tranquility, and a sense of calmness.

What even is that we don’t have those😂

Ruth Williams well, look at it this way: doctors are resorting to ventilators as their main strategy, and what did that result in: 80% dead whom were using them in new york, didnt solve anything if you asked me 🤷🏽‍♂️, when it comes to covid-19, your best bet at beating it is by strengthening the very thing that attacks the virus, your immune system, by taking cod liver oil which provides vitamin D and A (which are very essential for immune function) and taking vitamin C with natural bioflavonoids as well as zinc. And if you ask me, thats neither holistic nor traditional western medicine

Immune system 🤗

@@ahsokaincognito Dude, there are zero medicine and vaccines agaist corona virus... If western medicine are so good. Why have 10 milion people died from it?

@@loke2860 let's see which one finds the cure, dumbo!

@@loke2860 babe if you're going to make an argument at least get your facts right. 10 million people did NOT die from COVID. the number is currently at 679K. second, it's very difficult to get a vaccine out this early but they're already conducting human trials. and most importantly, alternative medicine is useless in the event that a pandemic arises.

Agreed.

Yes, it irritated me to no end watching them do that and just look around before doing something

Yea but they still end up sharing their opinion. Who walks up or not doesn’t really matter compared to what they actually have to say. If they stay or walk based on peer pressure, that can also be a source of information for us to see just how much conviction they have in that question

gizmo19351 mhmm maybe I also think not everyone has a jolt to the answer some people gotta sit on it lil longer, but I can for sure get behind making sure that voting part is blind in some way

I noticed throughout the video that the holistic healers very specifically avoided using the term "holistic medicine".

Well none of them said they were against the integration of western medicine as well as alternative healing. I dont think they expect people to go to them instead of medical physicians and doctors i think they just want to provide different ways of healing in certain areas.

Exactly. Your primary care team should be "holistic healers" in the sense they treat multiple aspects of health.

“holistic” is definitely one of the most misused words today.

@@eden5166 Agreed.

yes i agree! well said!

Do you believe that Western medicine does not try to remove the cause of a disease but only treats symptoms?

Exactly!!!! Finally a comment that makes sense!

Except there is no legal obligation or structured guidance of any kind for people in the field. They can say and do pretty much whatever they want. Your provider might refer you to evidence based modern medicine when they fail, others will not and don't and receive no repercussions when their patient dies. Doctors get investigated.

Exactly!!! 👏🏽

That's the problem. People that sale herbs exeggerate what they can do

No, they cannot. If a home remedy has been proven to be effective, then that is "western" medicine. If it has not been proven, then any effect that you feel after taking it could be the placebo effect. You must also consider the potential risks of taking home remedies that are not proven to be safe.

Me, ward

I’m hoping he will.

mee

Spam him with it 😂

me

The only challenge is that practitioners want to continue making obscene amounts of money. They don't want to give up the wealth or prestige. To be a doctor in most countries is a middle class endeavor. Americans like their rock star status.

@@jrandall1131 I am ignorant in this topic. But I have a question. Within universal health care, can you not open a private practice that charges what they charge now?

@@goodrose4734 I can tell you that a number of european countries have private healthcare too.

@@Tinky1rs so not everyone is obligated to use the universal healthcare?

@@goodrose4734 Obligated? No sir. In my experience everyone uses public healthcare first off as it's cheaper or free. If the case is complex or they want xyz (own room, nearby, surgery in a week vs a month) they might opt for private clinics.

It’s MODERN medicine, not western

I know, I'm an American in America and I heard him say that and was like??? Um?? It does already exist? lol

Yup

Most practicing doctors are not innovators. They follow protocols or else they get sued.

It could work if psychos didn’t control it. Uk healthcare is awful. I live in Uk.

I know! Just pulled a catchall phrase from a comment section or facebook meme and went with it 😂. That statement is so fragile to facts and logic it's crazy!

Rebekah Childs exactly. And also I think of holistic medicine as more of a preventative measure to said illnesses.

I love how doctors are so open when it comes to alternative medicine and people who haven't had medical training are so quickly dismissive. Like, both of my parents are doctors and they both would rather give me some ginger tea with honey than a cough syrup... Just understand there is a place for both

You need a balance for both and to know what areas to use each in. While alternative medicine can be used for more spiritual aspects of the body, mind, and soul medicine that doctors study for years is for superior when it comes to surgeries and other things physically. Like depression In most areas I think alternative medicine is better with that then just taking a pill. However, when it comes to cancer and virus you need doctoral assistance.

Finally, a comment that makes sense here. I agree, it's not vs. with the each side.

Can u knot? Aren’t things like cough drops made with herbs and other holistic things?

Oncologist is scientific jargon. Most people can reason psychiatry being of the mind. Theres people who also dont speak English who watch these videos

@@enterusername2855 Nah. If that was the case, "Cancer Doctor" would suffice.

Fizzy Bizzy Yes, I see how it sounds kind of redundant. My guess is that not all doctors are physicians. Physician clarifies that this person is a medical doctor, not a person who has a doctorate degree( PhD)

these might be the job titles the people themselves provided

@@enterusername2855 Yeah, but then if thats why they did it, then that completely negates the point of avoiding scientific jargon. Most people have no idea of the difference between a doctor physician and a doctor, i bet more know what oncologists compared to that lmao

hi, I'm wondering what are you currently doing at the moment career wise?

lexi styles7 probably to make it more easier for people to understand I’m sure there are skme people out there who wouldn’t know that an oncologist is a doctor who specializes in cancer treatment

I didn’t know what an Oncologist was, never had to deal with one. Probably should have said “I’m an Oncologist - a cancer doctor”, but it doesn’t matter that much.

@@joyamarie3542 but they use the term "internist" for the other doctor and I feel like thats a lesser used term than "oncologist"

Everyone on this channel is actors lol. I'm joking, but that is sus as fuck.

Nicholas Sides that’s true but tbh idk why they did maybe the doctor himself calls himself that cause maybe he works with kids? Idk

As Geralt of Rivia elegantly put it. It's essentially rubbing salve on a tumor. Faith can be good, as long as you have common sense in the equation. God isn't gonna solve all your problems.

Love that

Fool Slayer or as anyone with something between their ears would say ‘Natural Selection’

Michael J actually a few cases have been healed by colonial silver, so....

Modern medicine hasn't found a cure or vaccination for Corona virus either yet. Preventative medicine and increasing the immune system is the best medicine currently.

Other countries are different than America. In theory you would think it would work so easily, but in reality it wouldn’t work so great in America at least in the first couple of years.

@@nyx1616 why then please explain to me why that is exactly

nicol you also pay for the level of care you receive in Canada. You get better doctors and more time will be spend on you, get more test done on you if you have a private insurance.

I know Canadians who say their health care sucks because it’s free. Takes forever to get service/help. Broke your arm? Could take a few days to see a doctor

@@RonjaBock Putting the level of care aside there is more to universal healthcare than just that. One if not THE leading cause of debt is in healthcare costs. Also about 30 to 40 thousand people die because of lack of health care. And not to mention that is saves money. Right wing groups like to fear monger about the cost and while yes it will cost 32 trillion over 10 years the most conservative cost of what it is now is 34 trillion dollars while on some accounts as high as 40 trillion.

Rishabh Kumar yes to all of this!!!

seriously

preach!!!

I hated that answer of "there's so many other factors, if it was easy wed have done it by now" yeah no ones saying its gonna be easy or happen overnight but you don't wanna start the process now so we can have it in the future?

Rishabh Kumar say it louder for the people in the back! I am 110% behind the idea that everyone deserves access to healthcare. However, it really isn’t as simple as it seems. The population of the U.S. is exponentially larger than that of other first world countries like Canada and the U.K which are providing healthcare for approximately 20% of the people the U.S. would have to. We can get there if we have the right people in office, but it will take a long time. It’s extremely hard to socialize a country as large as 327.2 million.

Millions of people have not died from covid. Millions of people are infected, the death toll hasn't even reached a million yet WORLDWIDE

@@kaiber0390 The actual total death toll from COVID-19 is likely to be higher than the number of confirmed deaths (953K as of today) - this is due to limited testing and problems in the attribution of the cause of death; the difference between reported confirmed deaths and total deaths varies by country.

@@Underhills I get variables like that being taken into account, but saying that millions of people have died from it is laughable. I'm all for stopping covid, but inflating numbers isn't gonna do the trick, in my country the cases were supposed to be over a million as well to surprisingly find out it was an abysmal sum of 280k, which, 210k have recovered from the virus.

Yes, I'm very surprised none of the doctors mentioned this. But I guess they didn't really ask the question. Traditional "western" medicine is meant to be holistic. Unfortunately, it often isn't, but something being natural or preventative doesn't mean that it's not part of western medicine, the field of medicine encompasses all treatments that are found to work through empirical evidence, whether that be yoga or synthetic medications. The "holistic" practitioners are actually practicing alternative medicine.

I see you, Minchin fan.

This is my thought! Like if it works, why would science NOT be utilizing that? The idea of medicine is that they do everything they can to find PROVEN and undeniable drugs to help fight symptoms or something. It’s not like doctors completely throw out anything that wasn’t made in a lab. Otherwise we wouldn’t have a lot of current medicine. If it works and it’s proven to work, it gets used by doctors. That’s how the scientific method works lol the only issue is that they have to be able to repeat the results for it to “work.” Medicine that is proven to heal people is just medicine. It only has a different name when it can’t be replicated consistently

Illegal drugs, can't afford same stuff from US pharmacies

@@PtylerBeats well technically mediation can relieve stress

Just because she thinks she's informed, doesn't mean she is. But if she has the attitude of thinking she knows better than a professional... I wouldn't appreciate her either.

She probably meant that she comes in informed about her specific chronic illness. After seeing multiple doctors and doing her own research on symptom management it would make sense that she was more informed about her illness and body than a general practitioner who hasn't heard about their condition before. For example, I was diagnosed with POTS by a cardiologist. I've seen dozens of doctors who when I tell them my diagnosis they go: "what is that?". In that case, I come in as an informed person. Some doctors appreciate that, and others don't.

Kirsie Lundholm yeah but what happens after you tell them what your diagnosis is? Do they just say ‘well I haven’t got a clue what you’re on about so I’ll just let you decide what’s best’? Yes not every GP is going to know every disease and how to treat it but that’s not necessarily their job. They are called *general* practitioners for a reason, they haven’t specialised in a certain area so wont know how to treat every problem they face. Their job, if they can’t treat your problem, is to send you to a specialist in that area, not let you take your health into your own hands, which is what this woman seems to want to do. So yes you may be more informed on specific diseases that you personally have, but they have access to your medical records and can very quickly and easily decide, based on their years of professional training, how best to proceed, whether that’s to prescribe you something there and then or to send you on to someone with specific training in that field.

I actually laughed out loud

@@fekinuhhh3495 Yeah, if I go to a family doctor and tell them about my bone disease, they may not know. However, if I take that same information to an orthopedic doctor, they'll know right away. A family doctor is there to give you general diagnosis' they have a bit of training in everything. If you take your condition to a specialist then they would more than likely know what it is, how to treat it, and any methods to alleviate the symptoms.

I love that many contemporary trained doctors are incorporating both types of practices, as they should be

crazy

Lol😂❤️

Seems legit

I’ll believe it only bc you said it 😜

😂😂😂

If everyone got healthcare for free there could be even more deaths...

Hovsep Khachatryan its sad that its physicians who are saying that. We have universal healthcare in Canada and its working just fine and were just 36 million vs 400 millions in the usa. It would work even better there

s w you are proving your own point. 36 million vs 350 million, we in the US have 10 times the population size it would be incredibly hard to implement universal healthcare without spending $60 trillion dollars and putting ourself into even more debt

George Missailidis and why is that, exactly? I mean you should be challenging that course of thought a little. Why is the US in so much debt? What areas is the US spending most money to? Who and where does the debt come from? Is it fair to deny universal healthcare because of debt while still funding certain things? Are US citizens really that valuable for the government if healthcare is swept below the carpet while simultaneously dropping billions into other things that have no real benefit for the people?

MAL Cc same, if it’s something simple like a cold I use home remedies from my family (they work) but if it gets serious the doctor should be involved.

You know lemon sip is placebo

Ginger & Lemon Tea has plenty of Vitamin C and other Minerals that “medically” help you with a cold. It’s not something that we do not use as physicians. You’re literally still managing yourself in the way physicians do.

@@Ahmed-pf3lg only if you are already deficient

I agree. I don’t go to the doctor unless it’s something serious, or just to check and see that’s it’s not something serious.

*laughs even more in British*

@@cocoabutter1330 in before the NHS is actually sold off

@@Sol-su2mi not gonna happen tho and you know it 😂

Laughs in german

YES

Ikr “you get what you paid for” what kind of privilege response is that? 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

yes, their excuse was "it won't be easy to do/would be complicated"...? Like what? So because it won't be easy they think it should not happen? Do they not realize you can have quality universal healthcare that is accessible to everyone and still have have privatized health care where people who are willing and able to spend more money can choose to go to for treatment? Same way there are public schools available to every student free of charge that offer quality education but if you can afford it and want to you can send your child to an expensive private school. Or am i over simplifying this?

I think it's because the doctors know they'll be paid less in a universal healthcare system, but obviously they aren't going to publicly admit that

Social healthcare programs in the US have a history of being the worst. Anyone who has studied that here would immediately understand why it would not be good or take a lot of sacrifices that Americans aren't willing to do.

@@emil5111 You're already taking the sacrifices of the lives of the poor

What do you mean

The US doesn't want the poor to be able to survive lol

Completely agree with you as a Canadian it was disgusting to see how blinded the U.S. is in regards to free healthcare. People r dying simply for not being able to afford basic care or their medicine, it has effected people so much i see them coming here or to mexico all the time just to buy the same medicine at a livable cost. And the 1 doctor saying it isnt easy even though he wants it then list hopital cost is exactly the mentally thats a problem when clearly facts have shown it is that easy becuz its available in most 1st world country, a human life should not have a price ever and they need to realize their system is broken

There is so much misinformation about healthcare and health insurance in the U.S. that has poisoned the well. Thank god for Bernie, he's really shifted the overton window on universal healthcare

@@jacquiec01 It's not free healthcare. It's universal. That's a difference. Because we do pay for our universal healthcare with the taxes we pay. That's, I believe, one of the biggest problem with why the US doesn't like universal healthcare. Many people think it's "free" and think that people are too entitled and just want free stuff etc. when in actuality it's financed using tax money, so it's not really free. It's everyone working together so that everyone can get healthcare, no matter who they are.

Monica B okay yes. I live in the US and it angers me to see only one single person supporting it. Basically, they’re saying they don’t care about everyone’s well being because it’s too “complicated.” I can’t believe how people from my own country don’t even care..

As a positive note, there are many polls out in America that shows the general public DOES agree with Universal Healthcare and really wanna push towards it. So we're getting there hopefully!!

angeninetytwo why are people so ignorant, a simple google search will show you that healthcare in the US is legally undeniable. So yes you do get a bill for the ER, but no you do not have to pay it and no there are no consequences. Medical debt IS NOT the same and any other debt.

Rebeca Jimenez i really hope we dont move that way. I rather enjoy the idea that i have a chance of getting better medical care by living in the US. Look at some statistics and you will see that emergency medicine in the US is the best in the world. Why? Because you get what u pay for....wait but you dont legally have to pay for it because medical debt is not regular debt

@@spetsnazttv6724 "A 2007 survey had found about 70 million Americans either have difficulty paying for medical treatment or have medical debt."

@@spetsnazttv6724 "A study has found about 63% of adults with medical debt avoided further medical treatment, compared with only 19% of adults who had no such debt"

And when that one person was one of the holistic healers, and none of the doctors, that surprised and confused me. I thought all doctors and no healers would walk up.

Im not for universal health care to be honest

@@UrskogTrolle same

It’s probably not that they don’t believe in it they just don’t think it’s realistic that it would actually happen

MySoulHasLeftTheGroupChat many of them also have hundreds of thousands of dollars in med school debt. if we had universal healthcare they wouldn’t be making as much money as they currently do. if there was universal healthcare, there has to be student debt forgiveness

Gaia the other people had excellent points. I know Canadians who said it takes forever to get help. Broke your arm? Could take about 3 days before you see a doctor

Ariana _ I’m from Canada and our system is fucked if you need surgery you’re put on a waiting list that can be a year wait

Me too. I thought all the medical practitioners would be in favour of it for sure

I live in Europe and I'm also a med student. Yes, long waiting lists are a huge issue and state funding is never enough. I work with physicians every day and everyone here is complaining about the system, however these are medical professionals talking about fundamental human rights... Maybe it's a matter of colture, I don't know, it just sounds unbelivable

It’s a very toxic American mentality. It’s profit over everything else.

kurisu he’s a shrink 🤷🏽‍♀️

It’s the current year!

"I have a chronic illness" type of person

First if you aren’t Black, you don’t understand the prejudice they have and continue to face in the medical system. Second, if you don’t live with a chronic illness like she and I do, you also don’t understand the level of doctor’s ignorance and arrogance that you intersect with in the modern medical field. You begin to feel like a lab rat, while they try out all the things that might take your symptoms away, while you spend thousands of dollars to never get to the root cause.

Lol but crooked ass big pharma is totally ok? 🤦

@@joannamonique707 at least it actually helps people

Mega Droid the Joanna girls is nothing but a conspiracy nut big pharma doesn’t exist it’s just people that think their special because there different

@@yedhuur7041 DUDE, the leading cause of deaths is modern medicine. About 250000 die of pharma medicine in the US every year.

as if traditional medicine is not abusive specially towards ppl who have cancer making they pay hundreds for treatment and sometimes they don't even have the right approach and treat ppl as merch. I know two ppl who had cancer one of them the doctor said in her face that there was nothing he could for her anymore. She had to rely on alternative medicine as her only hope and it's getting better. In the other case the person already believed in alternative medicine and she go straight to them and she is now cancer free and guess what? Her doctor didn't charge her anything for appointment.

agreed, baked potato

i have so much respect for the doctors, i would have been GOING OFF as soon as karen started talking about vaccines lmao

It would be more entertaining if they weren’t though

Jose Alvarez he’s talking in layman’s terms. Not everyone is going to know oncology has to do with cancer

Not everyone knows what an oncologist is, so it's better to say cancer doctor.

cancer doctor physician

Herbal healing lunatics wouldn't know what that means