DO NOT BUY A 392 Or SCATPACK For These Reasons |Are Dodge Challenger & Charger Scatpacks Worth It? 

Exactly man!!!

Agreed man. I’m not running at the track. I love my scat I know it’s not the fastest or the best but I love it. I love the hellcat whine but I can’t justify the extra expenses associated with it. I didn’t buy it to race. It’s fast enough for me.

Amen

I went 170 in mine shit was crazy

Lose some weight, gain some power .... LoL. Just a joke, I agree these cars are way overpowered, a Toyota Prius can drive you to from work, these are awesome cars

Crazy part is I’ve seen it rarely honesty but I’m glad to hear there’s more out there

Lol damn lie you rarely see 392 high mileage. Only here and there you see them up in milage. Now the 6.1 yes you see them very high mileage all the time its a GREAT engine!

year?

My bro in law has a used 6 speed with 110000 miles on it. Still runs just as strong as my 19 scat with the automatic. No issues on the oil samples either so these motors are solid and will run damn near forever in stock form. The reason you don't see this very often is because these cars often end up in the junkyard wrecked long before 100k miles.

@@SRTHEMI Wrong. Too many morons put these cars into the junkyard long before 100k is the reason you don't ever see a high milage 392 or hellcat.

That’s true but where I’m at in life I need fast lol

I have a 2019 scat...I dont race it..im confused why someone would need more power..unless racing

@@jeremiahgoss3144 some people like the thrill

Oh for sure I love my car 100% but I think I fell in love with going fast for sure!!

Bro go mango 22 out here #runyo24

Dude same i traded in my v6 challenger for a 21 scat and man payments suck but id do it again tomorrow lol

Nah seriously bro

You must be as sad as me rn to see that garbage ev “muscle”

Nah!! Mustang Mach 1 !!

I’m in complete agreement with over 500 horsepower really doesn’t need to be out on public streets!! What’s the point really?? Absolutely none!! To roast already expensive tires and burn up ridiculously priced gas!!

@@jeremyswalley8625 sounds like an enjoyable afternoon

You hit the nail in the head for sure!!!

Hellcats are way more expensive now days tho

@@tristonm5246 that’s true🤷‍♂️

@@Toro704 yea I’m just gonna get me a scat pack widebody and be happy with that because v8s are all gonna be gone and the huge 6.4 L engine I’ve grown to love over the 6.2L and respect way more

@@tristonm5246 Only thing I could do with a Hellcat vs a Scat Pack is Flex.. I'll use the $20K saved for gasoline. Heck, a 5.7 has plenty of power..

Hey Bro, What some of the things I can do for longevity???

I drive a 2020 scat daily. 55000 miles and no issues. Great car.

Hmmmm I wonder 🤷‍♂️ I mean I have a very well known shop basically giving me info

@@Toro704 did they also tell you that they are called " ring landings ", which is what you kept calling them ?

The 1970 GTX is a badass car. I had the 1970 Plymouth Satellite 383 number matching car. Like a idiot I sold it back in the 1980s my favorite car and I still kick myself in the ass for selling it.

Big difference between 70 motor and 2000s

Facts man I loved mine but I’m just ready for something different

@@Toro704 as for me I see no substitute, before this I had a 750i M package with a little hike behind the engine twin-turbo V8 2010 , after a hundred and $3,000 I experienced those payments, and that thing would take off fast enough this 392 is more powerful

I like my stock 392 as well, just as is. Just bought some window louvers to add 45 hp 🌶

Sure

Actually the DragPak is a 5.8 not 5.6.

I went with the pickup version of the 5.7 My Ram is holding up nice. I love it..

Exactly and scat guys hate when you mention that

@@julshall8604 As someone who’s owned both before, there is no comparing a 5.7 to a 6.4. I was satisfied with a RT cuz I knew what to expect and limited my expectations, but when I moved to the Scat Pack, I noticed the world of difference 115 HP makes.

For sure!!!

How's your E85?

So I run e85 and it’s great you just have to test Everytime never trust a pump

@@123MrPker I’m the spring I’m going e85

I mean for building purposes it’s tough

Some people just hate performance.

Appreciate it my man I love a good Shelby 500 TRUST Me if I had extra money for a fun car that would be it!

3.8 on stock tires in the 1320 package since it's got the drag pack and usually has the passenger and rear seats removed. I'm prolly gonna remove my rears but keep my passenger

I feel that!!

Who says you have to sell it? To hell with "keeping up with the Jones". Do what YOU want.

Well I beat hellcats at the track but I think building a already power added car would be fun

The Scatpack also has the 309 gearing which makes it more tourqey on the low end as apposed to the Hellcats 262, but your right with a set of 305's putting power to the ground the 392 can stay with a Hellcat on the street

I can't wait to see the scats and cats in my old shitbox Chevy pickup.

Lol Hellcats destroy Scats on a street roll so hopefully we’re talking about digs.

Man I tell you what I love the fact people love their 392 and I love the orange color!

@@Toro704, if I could put pictures on here, I'll show ya what I did

I do think it’s a great daily driver for sure

More like 90% lol. When compared to cars in it’s class . The Scat is the slowest of the bunch.

Ahhhh see I like this comment it’s true though you beat on a car it’s bound to have issues

And the cams flatten if idled too long, unfortunately there are issues with many of these lighter duty v8s, the heavier duty v8s from Chevy and Ford hold up great, dodge unfortunately keeps the same across the line up

You are correct but the platform in general is way too good to pass up you made a smart choice!!

You don't have a clue then you have to have forged internals with forced air induction a hellcat engine can take 1000 horse power .

@@nasapeterbilt6042 have you ever touched 1,000 wheel on a vehicle you own? Lol

@@Toro704 yes I have I own a red eye and a road runner I was playing with these cars long before you guys were born I grew up with these cars in the 70's

392 has a forged crank. Rods are ok to about 600. The Pistons are not built for boost.

I appreciate you my man and I love everyone’s opinion

Exactly man and it’s crazy out here now a days people use the street as a race track

@@Toro704 agreed with you there man. I’m in Vegas and they started “cracking down” on illegal street races and idk if they’ll catch any of them, But idiots out here putting lives on the line for 10 minutes of fun and then the cops look at us because you see nothing but dodge in these videos.

Exactly!!

@@Toro704 LOL they always did! I'm 42, when I was a kid my dad took us out "to the country" all the time. We lined up for street races on the regular. I will never forget my dad's 1972 chevy short wide with a built 350 gapping the shit out of a corvette. I wasn't even driving but got such a rush I have been hooked ever since. Fastest time that truck ever turned was at the Amarillo drag strip 13.08. Back then that was pretty damn fast for a 4000lb truck. Same engine, 10 yrs later, stroked to 426, installed in a 72 mercury caprice turned 8.52 at 168 mph. My dad build that car from the ground up 20+ years he spent tweaking that car, sadly he passed away in 2009. I have an 2018 392 Daytona Charger I know for a fact he would love this car!! I just wish he was here to help me work on it. Sorry I took it there, that wasn't my intention when I started the comment.

That's what's up I also own a 2019 challenger R/T and really enjoy driving it for some reason it gives me the illusion of driving a scatpack...

What kind of power can you add?

For sure man I love it!

Exactly, just because the bar has been raised by the hellcst doesn't mean the 392 isn't a beast still. I mean horsepower is horsepower. I love my 392 and am thankful to be alive right now to be able to get one. Thank goodness this isn't the 80s with 120hp restricted cars.

You must not have been there then. The first-year GTO had a MINIMUM of 325 horsepower. The first year Olds 442, with a 330 V8, had a minimum of 310 horsepower, with higher compression, 320 horsepower. The first true Muscle Car Chevy, the 65 Chevelle SS396, had 375 horsepower. The 66 Buick Skylark GS, 325 horsepower. Even the second year of the very first car with muscles, the 56 Chrysler 300B, had 340 horsepower standard, 355 horses option, and the 56 DeSoto Adventurer had 320 horsepower.

@@corruption1724 As heavy as the Challenger is, it is really more like the muscle-type cars - lower case - of the 50s like the Chrysler 300, than the Muscle Cars of the 60s - upper case - none of which were over 3,700 lbs. The Challenger is well over 4,000 lbs, just like the Chrysler 300 and the DeSoto Adventurer.

@@michaelbenardo5695 Thanks for all those stats. My point was that a street muscle car today commonly has numbers in the 500-1000 range.

@@michaelbenardo5695 and Dodge was infamous for down playing the amount of power the engine produced. You’re absolutely correct

Appreciate it my man

Appreciate it my man

Very true. I have a 19 1320 and I love the hell out of it but just an extra bump like better airflow and some headers. That's probably all to be honest and I hope DC comes out with a handful of goodies for us.

@Nunya Beezwax yeah that's something I've thought of too. I guess time will tell. Still waiting for that announcement on direct connection stuff lol. I guess I'll be waiting a while longer, sadly. Haven't heard anything lately.

True that!!

As a 392 owner gappin maros and stangs especially with 4 passengers is highly u likely. They are too light with nearly as much hp.

@@nlmbquan5124 🤦 i got receipts sir with over 200 races under my belt!

@@glockmodder what’s your mods I gotta a 12’ srt8 300 Im trying to figure out the best mods to get me in comp with ss n 5.0

@@nlmbquan5124 NA boost a pump legmaker short ram intake 90mm hellcat TB ported manifold port matched to 90mm ripp coil packs catless 180 tstat thermal bypass for transmission jay greene engine and transmission tune

Quickest NA ??

Easily quickest N/A car in the market the 1320 is NO JOKE

I agree. That's why I love my 54 New Yorker with it's 1st gen Hemi and my 73 GMC. No smog checks. Ever.

@@Toro704 quickest NA ? C8 corvette begs to differ.

I had my phase but now I’ve driven some crazy fast cars and it’s hard to get back in my 1320 sometimes

Exactly

They ironed out those problems with the updated cam and lifters in 2015 you have to buy the updated lifters and cam from Chrysler and not any store because they’ll sell you the outdated ones. Any failures is because of lack of maintenance and idling the car for long periods of time. Always warm your car up and never get in it and drive right after starting it.

@@OddWrld exactly... those are the only major flaws and apparently not enough engines experience these issues to warrant a change

@@OddWrld you just said don't let it idle for long, but then said let it warm up🤔

@@blakesperfslage6072 yeah idling as in for 15 min. Which surprisingly a lot of people do. Warming your car up for 5 min is okay. But when it’s cold it’ll be like 10 min but make sure you rev it at least to 2,000rpms. They starve for oil just sitting and idling due to the camshaft placement.

100% I’m in the process of building my 392 as we speak but after cost etc it would have been better to just buy a hellcat in my opinion but everyone is different for sure!

@@Toro704 yes it would have been better to buy a Hellcat and yes everyone is different. Some people save cost by doing the work themselves and then sending it to a tuner to get a proper tune. The difference between a 392 and hellcat is roughly 30K to 40K depending on yes options. Plus the insurance on a Hellcat is higher as well. I was in the same boat as well between a 392 and hellcat but it is something about having a Daytona 392 that just sounds right. Eventually down the line I want to stroke it to a 426 with a blower but that is roughly about 20K in my area.

Easily 20k for sure I’m 30k into my build with forged internals and a procharger setup at this point so I deff understand my man

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That’s a fact😂 I want to be fast fast!!

Love the scatpack and how it looks but I went coyote and with just a few bolt ons and e85 tune I run really close to my buddies hellcat(stock) but from a dig I win.

Big differences right

100k that’s great!!

i sold it for 23k to a dealership for with 100k on it.

That’s wild!!

All about time and money balance for sure!!

Could be timing displacement engine size all sorts of things honestly

I believe it was the electric power steering over the hydraulic. Less parasitic draw.

Yes yes

Whaaaaa that’s crazy man!!!

You mention cost but also mention it's on E85. The hellcat is great because it's running more legal boost and it runs on pump gas. Hellcat's really are worth the added cost. By the time you put the same modifications the hellcat has, into a 6.4 to keep up, your back at hellcat costs. It just doesn't make sense. Then, once you own the hellcat, power comes really cheap. There are 1000 and 1200HP hellcats running around with only $7500-10K in mods and only burning pump gas. E85 cats are a whole different level of beastmode. 6.4L just doesn't cut it. Great for what it is, but they aren't in the same league as a cat. And that's just the motor. The hellcat comes with a better transmission, rear end, and gearing.

First I'll address the cost comparison. My Daytona 392 special ordered cost me $48K in 2020. New Hellcat Charger in 2020 was starting price 69K. I spent just over 8K on the D1X, injectors, and a dyno tune. I spent an additional 2.5K on the dual pump E85 fuel system. I didn't charge myself any labor for the installation. My car makes 731whp/ 662 lb ft torque on e85. That's 100 hp more than a stock Hellcat. That leaves me 10K for forged pistons and rods if I wanted to do them. The Hp70 is rated for around 700- 750 lb ft torque which is enough to put my car in the high 9's and as far as the rear ends go, a lot of hellcat owners change the rear ends form the 2.72 to the 3.09 that comes in the scat packs.

@@Mikes05Hemi scat packs don't have 3.09 stock. That's an upgrade. Second a stock cat on just an E85 tune makes more power than your Daytona. And for that price you could have just bought a 60k hellcat with a better trans and stronger motor to begin with. The great thing about hellcats is they are already set up in the sweet spot to make more power. Blower already sitting on top ready for a cheap pulley swap. Just the pulley swap nets the same power you are at. Then as I mentioned E85 just a tune alone would already have passed your power. There's zero point in buying a 392 unless you plan on keeping it stock because by the time your done upgrading it to be a 6.2 basically you've spent the same amount dodge chargers for a hellcat and you don't even get the perks of owning the hellcat. Just a weaker motor that's not meant for boost. I calced out the cost before i went with the hellcat. It just isn't worth it. Besides without a blower those Hp and torque numbers don't really matter because the hellcat will make peak torque and HP before your NA car does. Plus the better trans and shift points. Nothing against 392s but compared to a hellcat they just don't make financial sense. Everyone I know that ever owned a 392 and wanted more power realized it was always smarter to trade the car in and upgrade to a hellcat before doing any mods.

@@RunTowardsDanger sorry typo. 3.06.

I mean if you have 100-120k sitting around yea for sure

@@Toro704 Here ya go $55K ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zFiw3_uXyyQ.html

But 4 door sedans are not the right platform for super performance. They don't look the part.

Ahhh I’ve heard so many people like that platform

That coyote is 🔥🔥🔥🔥 good choice. I’ve always wanted a foxbody 90-93. Maybe when I’m done with my scat.

Agreed, absolutely shocked by my insurance rate. Went from a 392 to 2021 5.0, practically cut my rates in half.

@@austinpoaurs9871 As always, know who to thank for the Dodge insurance penalty...

My hellcat insurance is $170 a month. My daily driver ford edge is $140 a month. Both vehicles comparable coverage. They really don't cost that much more, don't know where people are getting the idea that other muscle cars are cheaper to insure, they aren't.

Ohhh that’s nice especially since you had some spray

I love the car man! Looks sick! I want some of those engine dress up mods you have! I just messaged you on instagram.

Love to hear it bro

@@isaacbyrd8504 there are a couple videos on my channel I believe.

Yes I know that but you then add the fact if it’s not matter of IF it’s WHEN right and putting that kind of money on top of a motor is wild unless you do it the safe way

@@Toro704 a stock 1320 hooks better than a stock hellcat.

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That’s a true lesson right there for sure!!!

Exactlyyyy!!!

their are people who have said the hellcat is great car but to powerful for the street and enjoyed the scatpack better and went back to a scatpack or gt mustang.

@@robertsprouse8237 lol no they haven't. They say that because they couldn't make the payments 🤣

Yessir I’m huge on what I have for sure

That’s not bad!

@@Toro704 Right?! Yeah sure I'd love to have a Scat or a Hellcat someday but the price was right and I've made money on the car! I could sell for more than I paid. How often does that happen?!

Exactly I would have done the same thing?

That is true!!

Do it!!!!

Always do what’s best for you I loved my 5.7 for sure

Yessir I know you love it

Whaaaaa 91K that’s wild man I’m glad it’s been a good car for you

@@Toro704 yea i left it stock other then having the tazer and dynomax racebullet mufflers but i have since taken the tazer out since its just better left stock in my opinion. its not the best in the snow but its definitely not the worst. being a 2015 it definitely shows some 1st year refresh quirks that i notice are not there in newer models such as some rattles and shifting being much better on the newer cars. rev matching is allot better on the newer models then mine with the 8 speed

My bro in law bought his used with 98k on it. Now it has 111k on it and runs just as strong as my 19 scat. We do an oil sample at each oil change and no abnormal wear or anything. In stock form these motors will run damn near forever as long as you keep idle times at a minimum due to the flawed mds/lifter issues.

@@corruption1724 yep mds is def an issue dodge has had. I hate mds and wish i could permanently turn it off. I like that the hellcat doesnt have mds and still gets the same or even better mpg. Only issues ive had with my car are speed sensors so far and some shifting issues when using the paddle where it skips a gear but it seems to be an early model problem

Well with an older car you deff will have issues but that’s EVERY car at the end of the day enjoy the car for what it is for sure

I looked at whipple man I love the super charger but I went pro charger just waiting on drop in pistons to get here so I can get started I’ll check it out for sure!

@@Toro704 you popped up on my page. Definetly dropped you a sub! It's always nice to find relatable car content. Keep it up

For sure same my guy

Appreciate you!!

True but there’s a lot with swapping that’s tough

True man I’m right there with you bro!!

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I swear man!!!

Mustang and Supra are a great platform for mods right now.

@@Oliver-ft2fq Always have been

Yes 100%

I better keep putting in a little bit more overtime then You have been a great help👍🏽💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿

Get the Scat Pack for a daily. Cheaper insurance, I won't say cheaper on fuel cause you can and certainly will get on that throttle regularly. I love mine, it's my daily when I need it to be, it's my road trip car. Bought it new in March 2016 and just made final payment. All stock it dynod at 432 hp and 445 Tq at the rear wheels. That's plenty fun for me. And mines a 6 speed manual that I added a Barton shifter to. The only negative things I can say about the regular body Scat Packs. ...they sell with crap 245 size tires. Getting the Dynamics package takes care of that and gets you 6 piston front Brembo brakes and 20x9.5 wheels with size 295 tires. The stock shifter on the manual transmissions is too damn loose. Go over train tracks the wrong way and shifter shakes itself out of gear. The Barton shifter took care of that. 2 other things. At high speed, sometimes the air coming up along windshield will squeeze by the window seal and make a loud sound like a saxophone stuck on a medium pitch note lol. That's an issue with Hellcats too. There is a window calibration that can be done to help that. Lastly after washing car, there seems to be an endless amount of water that wants to trickle out of trunk lid mounted tail lights section. I leave a microfiber I. That spot and close trunk to let the microfiber soak in and draw the water out. Not a single complaint about my 392 engine with OEM tune and 139k miles on it. A friend has a 2015 392SRT and he has over 100k more miles than me. Keep up with that scheduled maintenance, use the car as intended and it last long time

I do appreciate what I have I even stated I love my 1320 😂🤦‍♂️ I’m speaking in terms of what’s possible with the engine and my experience with it so far

@@Toro704 that's fine but with Challengers, physics take over. As you know they are heavy cars. Its amazing they go as quick as they do with all that weight. But everyone knows that going in.

Hellcats we’re not around before I was born lol but I’m glad you have those experiences I don’t 🤷‍♂️ so I’m learning as I go and putting my opinions problems and success out there for everyone to see

Yes I just made a video on it lol I was exaggerating so people understood they are heavy cars lol

Can a stock Camaro LT1 beat a stock 392?

@@sammyjammy6647 depends on the driver

So see I like comments like these bc I learn I’m brand new man so I learn as I go so I may come off as that but I have worked on a lot of cars myself but the 392 platform is new to me which is why I am finding out the hardest

@@Toro704 any power adder... Boost or Nos,,, or both need serious planing or your just building a bomb. Here's an example for you. I've built mopars since the 70s..... I built a sweet 505 about 98. Biggest flat tappet cam Mopar made. The engine was bad ass for over 20 years. I go fill it up with some race gas on a nice Saturday. Just cruising. It blew up at about 3000 rpm. I was crushed. A big hole in the side of the block. I tear it down and the pistons still looked brand new. The cam had broken into three pieces and fell down on top of six and seven. I've never seen or heard of that happening. But it was a cast iron purple shaft huge valves and springs. I guess the spring pressure finally got to it. So I'll never use a cast cam again. That was the first and only big block Mopar I ever blew up and I would spin them up to 7500 rpm on the regular. Live and learn brother man.... You should see what's in it now.

It sounds like you could change the pistons out on your own. I don't know how many miles you have on it but Manley sells a rod and piston set up they say is already balanced, std bore or maybe .030 over. But it would give you a chance to get it ready for any other mod you may want in the future. And if you have the cyd displacement lifters, a good time to toss them in the trash. Check out your oil pump get a new HP unit from melling. I've heard of ppl replacing the lifter with hellcat units. Just do the mods and get it back running good and take your time with it. I know the Kenny Bell kit is 8-9k. But it comes with alot of the little stuff you need. Injectors, rails, fuel pump, blower, ducting, new air filter position and hardware. Oh yeah and a computer. Plus great tech support. Sorry about my last post I was so cold in my garage I couldn't read the screen anymore. LOL I ment the cam broke at 5&6. That chunk fell down in the rods. It still pisses me off thinking about it. I knew when I built it I should of went with a roller. You can rent an engine hoist and knock out that job in a weekend.

426 is nice but it’s still underpowered for my goals so idk yet honestly

If you live in a smog-check state, you can't do that, unless your car is a racing car.

@@Toro704 Underpowered?

Ahhhh just as much fun??!

No chance

Close to it for sure

Yessir🔥

@James Conway.. as a challenger scatpack widebody owner I'm eagerly awaiting for these stage kits to drop and love your enthusiasm, but we don't know the horsepower numbers yet nor the pricing. There is no stage 3 kit either. It's a prestage, stage 1, stage 2. I'm curious as to how you came up with your assumptions on the hp numbers and pricing because as of right now, nobody knows absolutely Jack 💩. Don't be that guy spreading misleading info on the internet.... there's alot of dumbasses that believe everything they read and they start to spread false info. A Mopowa baby!! // ✌

@@RoyalViking465 Dodge website, did my research on my car a 21 6.4 392 wide body,I found out a good bit of info about what exactly powers a N/A engine,an all that oil catch can bs,but hey don't take my word for it, was also actually info from Toro704's update,check out his vid on it go to the Dodge/Stellantis/Mopar an see for yourself,I've seen Hellcat super chargers on 6.4 Scatpack engines with a few belt,alt mods an a tune that run just fine @ 6 to 700 plus hp,anyway if you enjoy that car as much as I do then maybe you understand the frustration of our cars being classed as a group that couldn't afford Hellcats or Redeye's.I almost got a Super Stock an I'm glad I didn't so yeah enthusiac I can get a little more power for a couple bucks without the price tag,why not?

I know you love it

93 all day

91 is fine

@@Ramblequist thanks

I only use 93. Go with the highest in whatever state your in.

@@coryp_3926 91 is fine. Hell a 460hp GT can run on 87, the 2022 WRX can run on 87.. It's a shame Dodge never tuned these for 89 at the most.

For sure man I love all the opinions it’s just based in the person for sure!!

Technically I’ve seen scat trans hold 8-900 wheel big again if you spend that kind of money to be that fast a built trans has to be done🤷‍♂️

The scatpack is good for about 700hp 700tq max before having trouble with the stock trans..