Do Turbo Cars REALLY Need an Upgraded Intercooler? (F30 BMW Performance Mods)

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In today's video, we're going to answer a question that we get all the time.. Do I REALLY need an upgraded intercooler in my turbo car? The answer? Absolutely.
By adding an intercooler to your car, you'll be able to see gains of 15-20 horsepower on a completely stock car and gains of 25+ on a modified car! How's it do it? Because of the increased surface area, the intercooler is able to decrease your temperatures by 40 degrees. As we all know, Colder Air = More Oxygen = More Power Potential :)
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@ericb.4358 4 года назад

Yes, larger intercoolers cool the intake air better BUT they also create more drop in intercooler pressure unless new and MORE efficient tubing is used for faster "hot side" intake is used. And naturally better pipes on the "cold side" is better as well.

@GodKing804 2 года назад

It's like .05 more lag big deal

@joerichardson6107 Год назад

BUT more hp...

@TfromDaygo 9 месяцев назад

Just get charge and boost pipe upgrades too while your at it ftp works great for me

@Stock.B58 5 лет назад

You completely sold this bro ! Amazing job

@CharlieBoy360 4 года назад

Nice handle

@anthonyfadel6943 5 лет назад

Who needs an upgraded intercooler for colder air temperature when you live in Canada where the temperature is always hella cold 😅

@KiesMotorsports 5 лет назад

Lol

@ACURACALABAR11 4 года назад

Nahh. It's hot in the summer😂

@chymist66 3 года назад

Hey I can notice what feels like a significant power difference stock tuning and stock intercooler when the temperature drops in the winter. So in the summer no doubt it hugely pays off.

@armnloaded8746 3 года назад

this what im thinkin bout rn hahaha

@joemurillo1224 3 года назад

Here in Québec,summertime is hella hot bro we do need it

@GaryDownes 5 лет назад

Loving the looks of your videos Brian. You've come a long way since the very first one I watched over two years ago and you've helped me make many decisions on modding my F30 335i :-)

@tng6628 5 лет назад

That new hair style added 50+ hps. J/K Brian, it is looking good and love the video as always. Cheers!

@KiesMotorsports 5 лет назад

Weight reduction 😜

@ponyboymotorsports-5759 5 лет назад

This was a much needed video, as I am in the fence with buying one

@chrisbecker3629 5 лет назад

Raymie Santy get one!

@somewhereoverit711 3 года назад

Lower temps overall on a BMW can lead to longer engine life

@mikaelslabiak9626 5 лет назад

Wow great news. I’m heading for the dealer at this moment to upgrade my stock intercooler to a Wagner Evo II intercooler and performance downpipe. Then heading for the bench to make it roar and make hp :) Btw really really great youtube videos you do 👍👍👍 thanks. Mikael from Denmark

@CartubeCoIl 3 года назад

I would not say you gain power, it's more about not loose power under heavy loads.

@James_Edward59 2 года назад

You can say that about anything though, that’s like saying adding an intake an exhaust system doesn’t add horsepower, it just allows you to get the horsepower that’s already there from your motor because technically as long are you aren’t changing internals, you can say that for everything.

@chrisjfox8715 Год назад

@@James_Edward59not really. The worse of an intercooler you have, the more drastically your available horsepower dissipates over the course of a drive cycle. A better intercooler gives your available horsepower more longevity (i.e., more similiar throttle response at each pull because they're more effective at keeping your IAT to a minimum). An upgraded exhaust on the other hand, for instance, can relieve a significant enough amount of backpressure such that the added horsepower it offers is fairly constant throughout the drive. It's not like the diameter of the exhaust pipe changes...whereas heat soak variability (which is what intercoolers fight) is quite real.

@Scotford_Maconochie Год назад

Can you just upgrade the charge pipe, boost pipes, intercooler and a cold air intake without any other tune and have power gains?

@joem7023 4 года назад

I went with wagner tuning for my n54 intercooler.

@chrisbecker3629 5 лет назад

Trying to talk car guys into car mods is like trying to tell bros why you need this super hot model that’s also super smart......I know I need it, just keep telling me I need it until I can afford it, and her.

@TechF30 5 лет назад

I may want to get rid of the plastic chargepipe too.... everyone on the forums are saying to as well hahah

@EldridgeCortes 5 лет назад

Waste no time cause it sucks when it cracks. There's really no time frame on when it will go lol

@pardeep3355 5 лет назад

Smart choice haha mine blew out of nowhere

@chrisbecker3629 5 лет назад

CalvinF30 replacing the charge pipe is like doing the preventive breakage on the one we all know has a limited life. Great call

@ottomobili2575 5 лет назад

loving the additional B-Roll now! good vid bryan definitley looking into one of these

@FrankieFItness23 Месяц назад

It’s like me just having a nose job to allow me to breath more oxygen my cardio Is insane now haha

@hervedelorme6768 4 года назад

your explanations are crystal clear !

@thedrivebygg 2 года назад

Very interesting, tempted for my bmw 125d, might treat it when it gets to 100k miles

@calvinator22 5 лет назад

These videos are so insanely helpful

@KiesMotorsports 5 лет назад

Great!

@jasmee93calzada80 4 года назад

Great video. Keep them coming.

@adamrockey 5 лет назад

Hey! You should do a video on Coding an F30 to always fold in the mirrors when you lock the car!

@cyberpunk9672 2 года назад

Hi there could you please help me where to find an intercooler for bmw 320i xdrive 2017 model

@LoneStarStinger 3 года назад

I’m in tx where it’s hot af most of the time. I think I need one.

@danked6731 5 лет назад

This was top notch.

@scoss2 3 года назад

25 BHP gain on a mapped car. That’s awesome!

@sonicplayroompiano4302 Год назад

As in an already tuned car?

@doodlebroSH 5 лет назад

I used to think that FMIC was not entirely necessary, but after my stock turbo failed and I was forced to go PS2, I think it is very necessary for anything above Stage 1 OTS tunes. Not running an FMIC, the intake temperature rises significantly pre-turbo, which will cause the turbo to heat up quicker, get out of efficiency, and wear bearings.

@supbrobanjoban 4 года назад

What’s better VSF, Wagner, or Evolution Racewerks intercooler? Was leaning towards VSF. Are HP gains and reliability about the same across the 3?

@sayhigh 20 дней назад

Please bear with the noobie question: With the bigger intercooler installed, will it causing more turbo lag and eventually will need to upgrade the turbo as well?

@Kaptain.Obvious 5 лет назад

Just ordered mine and CP. KMS I’ll be installing soon.

@josuesanchez2742 2 года назад

What if you have a turbskieee chevy cruze any gaines 🧐

@marsalkindi4172 3 года назад

So my radiator cracked and since it cracked, I thought I might as well upgrade my radiator to (CSF Aluminum Radiator) and upgrade the intercooler too. Radiator upgrade video would be phenomenal.

@paynelcasey 4 года назад

I assume this works and benefits the 320i?

@111tombomb 3 года назад

Just got my F30 335i and am trying to tell if it has an upgraded one or not. It appears to have a bigger one than stock and an extra cooler in front of the intercooler. Can’t tell if that’s stock or not.

@dirtym3zy 5 лет назад

Great informative video!

@Kenny-vs4pr 4 года назад

Would you see similar gains on an N18 MINI? Only asking because they're owned by BMW

@jeremybeegle9767 4 года назад

Love your vids very helpful

@premium2554 5 лет назад

Android Auto for f series bmw (NBT id6) plzzz... And also controllable with steering wheel's voice button.

@CookiesUnleashed 4 года назад

Its straight forward to install no need for a vid. But other youtubers such as bmwdiyguy has covered it

@chrisbecker3629 5 лет назад

Do I need one, no. But do I want on...yes. Did I buy one? Yes

@illiyammm9252 5 лет назад

Bro you deserve your subscribers you're doing some great s***

@ledmk2 5 лет назад

Nice video

@lorsamadey2435 11 месяцев назад

And what about bigger turbolag with bigger intercooler ?

@ericb.4358 4 года назад

Yeah, I'm asking the SAME question about my 2019 MAZDA CX 5 2.5 L. turbo . The only really good "drop-in" intercooler and pipe kit is from CORK SPORT. Spendy but excellent quality - EXCEPT the Cork Sport intercooler is PPWDER COATED black. That's proven to actually reduce the intercooler's heat exchange efficiency. And Cork Sport won't sell me an intercooler without the black powder coat! So do I buy it and then try to remove the coating?

@socko2424 3 года назад

Needing to get myself an intercooler now. Running a stage 2 tune on my A3 and can definitely feel the heat soak and loss of power. Kinda sucks

@dsmoke4654 3 года назад

Same bro I literally just tuned my gli stage 2 have everything but an intercooler robs you of so much power I’m about to Order one lmao

@chialor1945 5 лет назад

I love how a "C" clamp will show "no" leakage in air..lmao. no usage of couplers at all.

@KiesMotorsports 5 лет назад

There is a rubber o ring that seals the air inside the chargepipe :) the C Clamp, just holds the charge pipe on

@chialor1945 5 лет назад

@@KiesMotorsports Yes, I'm aware of that when I did mine 5 years ago lol. I just don't believe it's "air tight" is all I'm saying. I just thoughts it was interesting they also didn't use over lapping rubber couplers.

@marsalkindi4172 3 года назад

Love the video.

@BH-tf5zz 4 года назад

Quick question BMW 330d or BMW 330i either will be remapped struggling to find any real answers

@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow 5 лет назад

How much hp will it add for a n26 328i?

@youayang7108 5 лет назад

10-15hp

@CatGuy969 4 года назад

So if you already have an intercooler, an aem one will upgrade by 25 hp? And how much would the hp increase if you have a turbo but no intercooler at all?

@jonathancolling2284 5 лет назад

What about the extra pressure drop that you get with a larger cooler? They fit smaller intercoolers because they have a lower pressure drop, which means more boost reaches engine...

@brettknibbs9351 4 года назад

faster spool too

@AlmostLastJedi 6 месяцев назад

What if I put one on after the car is tuned? I already have a stage 1 remap on my 430d.

@kfeems 5 лет назад

any update on the f30 headlights?

@vladmoshkovich708 4 года назад

Does it fit with no cuts? Just to take the old one out and put the new? No need to remove the bumper? No plastic cutting? Thanks

@chrisjfox8715 Год назад

You definitely have to remove the bumper and the crash bar. But once you're underneath there then it's just swapping it out

@kishonfrancis3841 4 года назад

I have a BMW F30 from Japan with a B48 Engine. I was looking to move to a bootmod3 stage 2, but I noticed my car got no factory intercooler. How can I can diy kit for this car?

@typejlb 5 лет назад

Can to much water in a front mount intercooler flood the engine? Like a long cold air intake.

@fistofdragony3213 3 года назад

How does csf intercooler keep up against wagner intercoolers? Also do they create a bigger hp increase in petrol rather than diesel cars?

@PETRAKOV1 Год назад

Biger intercooler will not give u more HP. Will help u only to keep this HP wich U alredy have longer when u stres the engine. Exaple is a summer time on the hight way.

@keelanmorrish5250 4 года назад

I’ve got a BMW F34, would that intercooler fit my car? Always wearying if I get the wrong parts

@swansmeister 2 года назад

ofc it does, more turbo pressure, more exhaust gasses and fuel, more heat so need more cooling, it aint rocket science seriously.

@kianzandi123 5 лет назад

I have an F82 M4 and I've been told that an intercooler wont make much difference on my car. Do you think even an M4 will see large hp gains with an upgraded intercooler?

@Bl1ndskater6 5 лет назад

m4's don't need an upgraded intercooler, go with intakes and you'll see a good 30 or so hp :)

@cartere9981 2 года назад

M4s use water to air intake cooling not air to air like f30s

@2026820 3 года назад

I need a intercooler for my b46 anyone got a link for it can't seem to find one for the b46/b48

@MrWtovar 4 месяца назад

I want one for my 640i GC any recommendations? And does this upgrade alter emissions? I live in cali🙄

@KiesMotorsports 4 месяца назад

It doesn’t altar emissions! We have some options for your car! Reach out to our team at INFO@KIES.COM and our guys will be happy to help out!

@beavis6011 3 года назад

celcious or Fahrenheit ? -> 40 degree means ?

@yi-hsuehlin9783 2 года назад

Does all f30 use the same intercooler? Mine is B47

@pvtolentino 3 года назад

Is there a CSF intercooler upgrade for a 2018 1.5T civic?

@HerbertKruger-eg6mn Год назад

Do any of the bolt ons require a tune.

@singh2702 Год назад

Your intercooler is only as good as the max velocity of charged air it can handle , at which point the air flow equals rpm speed and creates no more torque. Hence a better intercooler can handle more flow rate while still providing torque gains i.e more power.

@chrisjfox8715 Год назад

So are you speaking of how well it's designed?

@petec8736 2 года назад

Does the same gains apply for the diesel engines??

@TheHoodiman 5 лет назад

Impact on turbo lag on a stock car?

@jensennlow5397 3 года назад

After tune , stock to performance intercooler , performance intercooler will turbo lag?

@aaronsamadi133 3 года назад

Can I install this intercooler to my bmw 428i gran coupe?

@FrenchValleyAirport 5 лет назад

is there anything for the f31 328d?

@althafazh304 5 лет назад

Any suggestions on upgrading the oil cooler ?

@brandonh.6654 5 лет назад

You are the bmw version of those American racing dudes for the mustangs lol

@SirBradleyLawrence 5 лет назад

I should’ve got a csf, my vrsf is garbage.

@djpeteyc 5 лет назад

Bradley Lawrence care to elaborate? I’m in the market

@rayraycarter04 5 лет назад

Yeah care to elaborate, because I just installed mine...

@suhaylali2917 3 года назад

Would this be good for a 330 D

@FrankieFItness23 Месяц назад

Do you deliver to the uk

@Mooney-kt3bs 4 года назад

What's the song playing in the background?

@Berserkir79 5 лет назад

What about us BMW B48/58 bois with liquid chargecoolers? Is there an upgrade?

@frankjia3079 5 лет назад

Berserkir 79 Yes you can buy a CSF heat exchanger. It will reduce IAT significantly.

@CSFracing 5 лет назад

we have an upgraded heat exchanger coming to market in the next 2-3 weeks

@RasoulMojtahedzadeh 3 года назад

Does bigger intercooler increase the turbo lag?

@beavis6011 3 года назад

i did that for my n20 f30, it dose not increase turbo lag

@albinemushi3975 5 лет назад

i live in switzerland and i want one of these.. what can i do?

@FernandWolf 5 лет назад

do you have a video on a F82?

@IZE_FILMS 5 лет назад

does the color matter? i am asking because i really love the black one. i'm planning on getting my car blacked out all the way.

@brettknibbs9351 4 года назад

black has been proven to be more efficient

@Weaselspleen75 3 года назад

Black intercoolers are less effective than bare ones. It’s thermodynamics. Any paint will impede the ability shed its heat. That’s why they’re always silver from factory across all brands.

@chrisjfox8715 Год назад

@@Weaselspleen75i agree with this but fact is, there's quite a few brands that insist on black intercoolers for some reason. I get the appeal of the aesthetic but give people the option I say. That said, there's likely a performance difference between black paint and black anodized.

@jamesrose298 4 года назад

So I hear from some that it adds horsepower and some that it doesn’t what is the truth??

@chrisjfox8715 Год назад

I think it comes down to how you look at it. I personally agree with what someone else here said, that it moreso helps to maintain your horsepwer more consistently throughout your drive cycles. The longer and harder you push your car on any given drive cycle, the hotter everything gets - an intercooler helps keep the air as cool as possible despite the heat. The better it is at cooling the air, then the more enriched your air-fuel combustion is going to be towards the end of a drive almost just as much as it was towards the start of a drive. Upgrading isn't going to magically grant you more power from the start necessarily, it's just going to mitigate the fall off.

@Flamer7465 5 лет назад

I have a 2015 335i and I originally ran the BM3 stage 1 tune and had about 360 hp, but then upgraded the FMIC, Charge pipe, and got catted Downpipes all from evolution racewerks, and then got the stage 2 tune, but I'm still getting 360 hp and I feel no power increase and I don't know what's wrong.

@KiesMotorsports 5 лет назад

Did you dyno or use the gauge in the car? The gauge isn't accurate if that's what was used

@Flamer7465 5 лет назад

@@KiesMotorsports I used the gauge in the car, I will definitely visit dyno within the next few weeks and I'll let you know what it reads. Thank you for the suggestion!

@youayang7108 5 лет назад

Go catless= more power

@rogerwang0523 4 года назад

any turbo lagging problem after?

@IZE_FILMS 5 лет назад

What’s the difference between the vrsf and the csf intercooler? They’re both on your website. Thanks

@KiesMotorsports 5 лет назад

The CSF is higher quality 👍🏼

@IZE_FILMS 5 лет назад

@@KiesMotorsports Thanks for replying.

@boybetterknow1983 5 лет назад

will this give a stock n20 328i 25 horse power?

@sonicplayroompiano4302 Год назад

I have a cold air intake and down pipe on stage 2 tune. Thinking about getting an intercooler now. Would I need to do a retune?

@eaperformance4321 2 года назад

Hi Brian, do I need to tune the car at the dyno after the Inter cooler upgrade?

@kylesmith9048 2 года назад

I’m not Brian but I have 4 years of experience modding my E90 335i and F22 M235i. You do not need to tune the car after upgrading your intercooler (assuming you’re only upgrading the intercooler). The DME will automatically adjust. All you have to do is install the intercooler. Make 100% sure every connection is sealed. Check the intercooler to charge pipe connections (both the hot and cold side). If your cold side charge pipe is 2 pieces, double check they’re still properly connected and there’s no leak, as well as where the charge pipe connects to the throttle body. Double check your hot side charge pipe (boost pipe) to turbo connection. Lastly, I would double check there are no leaks in the intake. You don’t HAVE to do all these leak checks, but I definitely would since you’re already in there and have it taken apart. It also gives peace of mind knowing they’re not leaking. If you REALLY want to check for boost leaks you could do a smoke test. TLDR: You do not have to tune after the install.

@ytacc2978 4 года назад

Will this exact intercooler work on my stock 2017 330i

@ericksonbyrd6681 4 года назад

Does this fit on the 340i with the B58 engine?

@Yooitskai 3 года назад

Will it fit a 2017 bmw 320i? In search of a intercooler and only finding ones for like the 328 and stuff

@chaos_insurgentt 3 года назад

320i fully built will beat anything

@taxiwardance7242 5 лет назад

is there something like this for e60 535?

@skotsephrenia1 2 года назад

about turbo lag Brian?

@yuerencpa 5 лет назад

Does it work with F34 328xi?

@MissJeannie09 2 года назад

Does anyone know why my check engine light came on after installing an intercool

@Muslim_Adam 4 года назад

Does it fit the 220i b48 engine?

@maksimjuravlev8307 5 лет назад

I have a question. Why there is no power difference between winter and summer? On a hot day in traffic jam you still have thesame power as in cold winter night on a highway Bigger intercooler Don't make any censé to me if you ask. Shure I would like to believe in 15hp more whith cooler air, but fact is a fact.

@maksimjuravlev8307 5 лет назад

I'm talking about diesel turbo engines.

@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow 5 лет назад

There are power differences on very hot vs very cold days though. Turbo engines get heat-soaked -- this is widely known.

@tb8848 5 лет назад

@@maksimjuravlev8307 well said. i totally agree.

@zayzabster7159 5 лет назад

Will this fit a F10? If no. Does any companies sell for F10?

@cartere9981 4 года назад

Have you found one? Can never find mods for my f10 compared to how many there is for f30

@jrslugwell 3 года назад

So if I live in Michigan do I need a intercooler ?

@elephantwalkersmith1533 2 года назад

The high temperature is from the compressor or boost, so you will always get a higher density, lower temperature intake with an intercooler.

@Maarioo007 5 лет назад

Any Update about the display key?

@KiesMotorsports 5 лет назад

Still waiting on an update ☹️

@moodmabah6784 5 лет назад

Dude I’d like 2 install this in my Bmw hw 2 get contact with u?

@KiesMotorsports 5 лет назад

Info@kiesmotorsports.com 👍🏼

@EvoroPictures 4 года назад

Question here, I’ve just got a 2014 335i, it has the M performance package that supposedly comes with +35hp over the normal 35is. I’m looking at upgrading parts but i don’t know if the performance package comes with stuff that’s better than the upgrades I’m looking at. It came with the M performance exhaust and a high flow cat( so those mods are sealed). Would an aftermarket intercooler really be better than one i have? I can’t find all the specs that performance pack comes with so i have no clue what to upgrade and what to leave and tune.

@colin5676 2 года назад

Damn dude this is literally my exact situation, no idea if my m performance intake and exhaust is better or worse than available aftermarket parts. Like how much better than OEM is it, and are the aftermarket parts only marginally better or substantially better? So hard to find the answers here.