My wife asked me what I'm watching, and why am I watching something about pro wrestling. I said "I don't know, Chael makes everything sound better than it actually is."
Chael on Jorge Masvidal: "Now, I've seen the footage and there was no soda! There were not three pieces of chicken. There wasn't even TWO pieces of chicken. It was a work."
MVP MVP i had no idea what he was talking about, and am responding to your comment about u having no idea what Chael is talking about. And im not gonna google or research it, either. Just leave a comment about it.
John Doe Bret Hart was leaving to a rival company of the WWE and refused to let the other guy win. Bret thought the match was going to end a tie and he was going to keep his championship belt but Vince McMahon (owner of WWE) set up a plan to double cross Bret and make him lose the belt. Only a handful of people really knew what was really going on.
The issues Chael neglected to mention were 1) Bret had already signed a contract with Vince McMahon to stay with his company for 20 years for less money per year. Vince asked to void the contract due to financial distress. Vince wanted Bret to sign with WCW because he no longer wanted to honour the contract he had already legally agreed to. 2) Bret Hart had equal creative control in his current contract. Therefore the outcome had to be agreed to by both parties. It had to be a consensus among all parties: Vince and Bret. That’s why Vince went to get his licking because he knew he was in breach of Bret’s contract and if Bret physically battered him they would be even, since they both broke the law. 3) Bret has had at least 1 major stroke that caused him to have to relearn how to walk after the incident. Therefore I would trust the physical evidence and/or the account of any other party witness to the knockout that hasn’t also had a severe stroke or severe drug addiction with or without 1 or more overdoses more than the precise details recalled by Bret. So it’s most likely Bret struck Vince with an overhand right or straight right or possibly a right uppercut with Vince’s head turned and bend over. In the end Bret was misused in WCW and Vince used the screw job to create one the biggest heels in pro wrestling history: Mr. McMahon.
EXACTLY! Bret offered to drop the belt to Stone Cold, who eventually went on to take it ANYWAYS. Bret just didn't want to put oveer Shawn Michaels, who was not willing to do the same for him (or anyone else at this time in HBK's life).
Brett is not the BOSS. If Vince wants you to portray a file cabinet you will act like a file cabinet period. Hell any of you work? can you tell your boss fuck off im gonna watch tv while you pay me.
Oh btw this is FAKE. Wrestling is FAKE! You are paid to act and do a play on what the Director wants. BOSS WANTS YPU TO LOSE. I HEARD A RUMOR BRETT SUPPOSED TO BE IN GAME OF THRONES BUT DIDNT WANT HIS CHARACTER TO DIE. HBO WAS LIKE FUCK OFF. LOL
Chael was very close to the main point on this. Yes, the Montreal Screwjob did setup Brett for a storyline in WCW that fizzled out because Brett's head got kicked off by Goldber. However, it also setup Vince McMahon as the biggest heel the wrestling business has ever seen, started the Attitude Era, and made the WWE into what it is today. It was all a terrific work.
Montreal Screwjob was a whole 2 years and a month before he got injured by Goldberg. WCW booked Hart as a midcarder for ages and that had nothimg to do with Goldberg. WCW took the hottest storyline with Bret coming after the screwjob and made him cold. Only they could do that🤣
TJay Enterprises Brett deserved to get screwed because he wouldn’t do the job in Canada. Traditionally you put someone over before you leave the company, it’s the gentlemanly thing to do.
If brett did not know then he got screwed.. c'mon dude. that means it was far from a work.. Brett SPIT down into Vince McMahon's face... if it was a work then it was very realistic.. Nothing about it looked "pro-wrestling".. Shawn Micheals
No shit it was a work ..what do. Think they wouldn't tell Shawn Michaels usually? Wwe is always a work the only real part was brett spitting on vince and going off in general
Uncle Chael got a ton of details wrong. Montreal's not Bret's hometown, Bret was not scheduled to appear in WCW the Monday night after Survivor Series, lots more.
rileyo that’s exactly what I was saying to myself. He needs to go watch the documentary bout Bret. There’s is so much evidence in that. Vince told Bret he would do whatever he wanted with losing the title.
@Metropcs Metropcs I think he actually talked with wwe but they couldnt come to terms. I dont have a source, so dont take my word for it, but im pretty sure its true
From a wrestling fans perspective Chael is 100% correct. In The WWE universe the Montreal screwjob is frowned upon as evil but logistically it makes so much sense
@@timv1.082 No it was not, Bret was not being a brat, Vince was being irrational as always. Vince offered Bret a big contact for like 20 years that he couldnt afford, after he realized that he told Bret go sign with WCW, by the time Vince could pay Bret he was already in deep with WCW. Bret was willing to drop to anyone at anytime but Vince just pushed that it had to be Shawn even though everyone knew that wasnt gonna happen because the two hated each other. But Vince built this idea in his mine that we have to screw him because we dont him to go on WCW tv with our belt which would have never happened if you actually know what kind of man Bret Hart was. So no Vince is in the wrong
...The screwjob was beyond vile even from the pro-wrestling aspect because of the loyalty Brett gave to the company, the fact he was it's locker room general and it's Wrestler's court judge....Brett was the Undertaker before he came to the scene and he built McMahon into being the boss you had to wrestle for. Everything Vince wanted- he helped build and make for him, even pulling in talent and giving ideas. The weight of the Screwjob is the equivalent of Vince McMahon fucking the Undertaker over.
Bret wasn't leaving the next day Chael. He had a contract for another month. Vince was scared that bischoff would announce the next night on nitro that wcw had signed the wwf champion. Vince should have took the belt off him the minute Bret entered contract negotiations. It should never have got as far as it did but as usual vince relied on Bret to save his ppv right up to his last day. Vince might not owe a lot of wrestlers much... But he owed Bret more.
Brett was still getting his money, I don't understand where there's much room for sympathy. Unless you really think he was that partial to embarrassment, in which case wth are you doing in wrestling entertainment?
Bret is just really dedicated to the art of wrestling since he was raised in a wrestling family and trained by his dad. To most it seems like a scripted show but its really his life's passion. Thats why he took it all so seriously
Truth is, the screwjob never needed to happen. There was no risk of Bret taking the belt on WCW television. Vince didn't have his back against the wall. It was basically Vince wanting to get one last jab in on Bret for leaving him. Bret was becoming difficult to work with, and his contract with WWE was enormous. WWE and Hart went to court after the screwjob, because it actually breached Hart's contract (creative control clauses). Vince not only lost a star, had to pay out a settlement, but then was stuck with Shawn Michaels who would retire the next year. Make no mistake about it, Vince got lucky with Steve Austin, and had it not been for that, WWE would have sunk. Vince has actually done a very poor job with his father's company. Only having 2 periods of growth, or popularity (1st with Hogan for about 5 years, then with Austin for 3 years). Monday Night Raw shows now draw about 2500-5000 people, their network subscriptions haven't grown for 5 years, and their stock is considered the most inflated in NYSE history (meaning there probably is a huge FCC scandal on the horizon). Had it not been for their philanthropy cash grabs, they would have $0 revenue streams. Even their TV licensing deals lose them money, despite how gigantic they are. Which why they're forced to do mega shows to private parties in other countries just to make some cash,
@@SmithCommaBenjamin you were doing alright until you said Vince has done a poor job with his dads company... Get real man. He's one of life's true winners. And it's HIS company.he bought it off his dad. Wrestling should have died at the end of the 80's early 90's but, Vince has kept it going in an age where there's no illusion, kayfabe, no magic and it's PG. He's done very well actually. And Bret deserved it. He never 'won't the belt like he seems to believe. Vince says "you will be champ" and once he says it's over you should thank him, hand it back and take your handsome paycheck. Not act hard done to. Bret had a charmed life and it went to shit once he turned his back on Vince. That is way more telling than The Montreal Screwjob is of Vince
Chael's the reason I got into pro wrestling.. I don't know Dark Side of the Ring though, but I know Dark Side of the Moon..One of the Best albums of all time
A little thing people often miss is that it's written directly in Bret's contract that he has some creative control over his character. Bret has never refused to drop the belt in his career before, and that was his only request. He said he was totally fine with dropping the belt the following week to someone else other than Shawn (who has always refused to drop the belt to him, and said he would never ever drop the belt to Bret).
Lol I would love to see the contract. Where was the lawsuit? There is no way Vince would allow someone the ability to choose who they loose to. Shawn was the next champ. Bret was leaving.
@@mr.brenman2132 I don't think any pro wrestler has their literal contract displayed over the internet. Having some creative control is not a new thing. There are plenty of superstars who have this.
@@mr.brenman2132Bret had a clause that the last 30 days he would have some amount of control over his character so that they couldn't completely screw him over upon leaving. Bret actually told Shawn that he would drop the belt to him in which Shawn replied that he would never do the same as rude as he could put it. This is when Bret decided he wouldn't drop the belt to Shawn as the clause in the contract allowed him so. Bret had already renegotiated the contract plenty of times before they agreed because Vince really wanted him and WCW was offering Bret more money for less days. Shawn was the next star but showed no respect to Bret.
@Chael Sonnen, you are correct in your outcome, and most of the details and problem solving deduction you used to come to educated solution. A few things out of order and or needing a little tweak are as follows. Before the match Vince, Brett, maybe Shane, have to watch again to get specifics. They meet one last time to essentially get a “finish” agreed upon so everyone can know the ending. Brett secretly wears a wire, as they deny the documentary camera inside the room and push him out (showing them entering getting a good look inside then waiting outside in the hall listening to them speak via wire tap) they soon come out shake hands and everything is smiles and happy. Brett immediately turns his smile into a frown as his depressed miserable pouting picks back up where it left off. He explains to camera or voice over the meeting, how he interprets it’s meaning, and his thoughts on it; Vince, WWF, Michaels and anyone else he feels like bashing that moment. -the plan was to be a DQ finish, a “Shmozz” essentially, Owen, Davey, and Jim Neidhart (if he didn’t go to WCW by then) the ‘hart foundation either does a run in, or HHH, Chyna and his crew run in with the Hart’s in close pursuit to even the would be -jumping- This is what Brett believed then, 2 years later when Owen died, 10 years ago when Shawn and Brett sat down face to face and discussed this in great detail -check it out if you even think conspiracy plays a role, anyone understands Bret knows he is his gimmick he’s the biggest MARK, he wouldn’t play him self 25 years later swearing up and down until this day it was a screw.. anyways, SGT. Slaughter interviewed Hart, he was Vinces’ security the entire night, before during and after the match and punch.. he admitted 3 separate times that this was a SHOOT. Shawn, Shane, HHH, slaughter, and other witnesses all back up the punch story. HHH admits to the set up, Michaels denied it for a few years then switched up around 2000 a tiny, then came full clean when he became a born again Christian. Which makes him just show his self for his colors, Bret best Shawn up a month before this event also. Do not forget the LOOOGIE* Bret hawked back and slammed into Vince’s face also and almost into his mouth, hitting his hair, dripping upon his for head and nose in front of a sell out Canadian crowd. I haven’t seen it before or since, spitting is something nobody does especially a real booger filled cum swap spit to a face. MEME? Hello! The disrespect and embarrassment is something Vince wouldn’t ever take knowingly but only on surprise. Bret asked Earl if they are screwing him, the ref said no, which was minutes before the match; which was true . Upon getting into the ring was it then walkie talkie communicated to Earl of the finish and he was confused and shook the hole match. He felt less then a man for some time after until he put personal friendship aside and looked at it from money and outsiders views. After the bell sounds, Brett pops up (out of KAYFABE and clearly showing the work by showing no fatigue or injury. Further breaking character provides proof for the screw job, meanwhile the Ref is halfway up the ramp running like a puppy with his tail in his legs and Shawn had the belt and jumped into the steroid pumped HHH arms as he carried Shawn to the back. Hart’s family didn’t rush, they were shocked and still didn’t understand until Bret destroyed the property in the ring. Everyone is in the back now, Bret is last to walk the ramp. Meets brothers, cousins, kids and wife ! Documentary picks up here. Check slaughters interview for play by play of him and Vince from the backstage to punch. Brett walks to locker room also yelling for Vince who is hiding getting his plan together with as many big wrestlers surrounding him to survive. Adrenaline pumping and Vince is confused scared and nervous , he wasn’t the “heel” yet this is to come.. Brett finds the locker room first and enters where the cameras stay in hall. Here the brothers and family stand and Brett’s WIFE starts cursing out HHH by his real name “Paul” as Paul stands on the wall arms folded shaking his head denying it but being polite which shows all the guilt one needs. Protecting the door you can say since Shawn and Brett are inside and wrestlers only. Owen stays out since HHH is also and this was meant as a ( 1 vs 1 ) grown men speaking time (Shawn - Brett).. Brett State’s he first calmly walks to his locker, instead of erupting in rage at Michaels undressing. Brett is 95% sure Michaels knew but can’t prove it just yet since he knows that devil Vince easily could have played all the boys. On top of it, Michaels is pleading his case to Brett damn near on knees with hands grasped as in prayer to god; “ I swear I knew nothing! On my child! I knew nothing I was just as shocked man !” And those things ! Brett didn’t beat the poor puppy either because he wanted proof or he just felt bad for this pathetic “man” . Brett finally tells Shawn “if I find out you were involved I’m beating your ass” Vince and the goons enter, Shawn feels better HHH everyone there. Vince begins his prepared ‘statement’ and Hitman could give a god damn! Brett waits for him to shut up (Brett’s story his words not mine ^^) Not listening to anything just waiting for the lying voice to stop. Brett now in towel says “I’m going to take a shower, and if you’re here when I get out; I’m gonna knock you out” Turns enters shower. Vince surprised but understands, calms his son and others like Brisco, Patterson, etc. He explains to the locker room essentially as Brett rinses off , that , he doesn’t need help or anyone to fight his battles, he’s Vince damn it a grown ass man, Brett has every right to feel that way, and if it’s a shot he wants then he can get it and call it a deal. The strap is safe with Shawn and WWF Bret is done with his last match, no Monday night Raw; Vince just has to take a punch from Brett who he thinks can’t punch or fight anyways.. besides he will heal, make millions and life goes on.. the crowd who is on Vince side agrees (had no choice since he’s the boss and owner damn it) and Brett finishes up basically at that moment ( which rinse takes full bath or shower at hotel or house since it’s Canada so don’t expect a full on long shower especially after that screw job and the gathering MOB outside the showers) Brett steps out wraps him self and walks to the locker and hey, nobody left everyone’s there; Brett has to keep his word, pussy out, or start to talk it out.. Brett being Bret, walks up to Vince, Vince says while he sees him approaching (Vince squares up shoulders facing him , no sucker punches being thrown etc VINCE is smart and tough, and Brett doesn’t know that VINCE wants the punch and then end it) so Brett thinking Vince May be scared who knows? Vince blurts, “well Brett, one shot, give me your best, I admit it I deserve it” Brett doesn’t uppercut ; he had 2 strokes or heart attack’s since so his stories now may be off or he simply traded UPPERCUT with RIGHT STRAIGHT RIGHT CROSS ETC To nit pick such a small detail when this was witnessed by so many is a reach.. hell hitman May think the audience is stupid and said uppercut since it’s the most famous word for PUNCH besides haymaker, and just substituted the word for story sake... Brett hits him in the cheek bone under eye sort of, Vince goes down to his knee I believe.. this is what his own crew stated, Brett said he laid him out but didn’t knock him out so I’ll take the family of Vince over Brett.. the punch happened and of course the bitter puncher will exaggerate as humans do:. Then the documentary FILMS/PICKS UP with the possy quietly leaving the locker room into the hall with the camera secretly recording as VINCE holds his arm or face don’t remember but is visibly shaken and getting his wits about him as he walks unassisted down the hall back to his “office” Vince wouldn’t ever let someone walk him back or help carry him with a arm over a shoulder . Vince is a stereotypical MANS MAN, no weakness no pussy in him and cannot show it all but the camera caught him!! Vince is fine with the backstage normals seeing him staggered but not the PUBLIC the MARKS the outsiders who are paying !! Everything I said is backed up in interviews, documentary’s, etc etc everyone has spoken and given there side.. a work? No People who believe even the close people, don’t know what to believe anymore and that’s what’s Vince wants; but I have come to believe if you know a good amount about professional wrestling and watched during that time; throw in logic, reasoning, common sense, time time time, stories change and stories that stay true.. it’s so obvious that Brett was FOKC3D IN HIS ANRSEHULL!
That so much drama for a fake wrestling. Look if im getting paid big bucks and boss told me you gotta lose. I'll lose period . Its my job. Brett is a spoiled athlete who complains about losing a fake championship from a fake sport. I heard rumors that BRETT WAS OFFERED A CHARACTER IN GAME OF THRONES BUT REFUSE TO HAVE HIS CHARACTER DIE. HBO SAID FUCK OFF WE ARE THE BOSS, OWNER, PRODUCER OF THIS SHIT YOU AINT GONNA TELL ME WHAT TO DO. SO BRETT STARTED TELLING PEOPLE THAT HE GOT SCREWED AND CALLS IT HBO SCREWJOB. My point is you cant go to your janitorial work and tell your BOSS im not cleaning the windows. What I want is to fuck Melanie from HR then watch tv and you will pay me the whole time.
@121bham Yes he was known as Brett 'The Hitman' Hart. In 1994 he was a founding owner of the Calgary Hitmen, about 3 years later they were sold to the Calgary Flames. Also back in the Day his father, Stu, ran the local pro wrestling circuit out of Calgary, Stampede Wrestling.
Funny, I'm an MMA diehard, and haven't watched Pro Wrestling since I was a kid in the 80s, but I love watching all these old Wrestling Shoots & old NWA/WWF stuff.
Two corrections Chael. 1. Bret's contract wasn't out on the next Monday. There was still time although that is no defence of Hart who refused to do this job. 2. Hart refused to lose to Shawn after Shawn admitted to Bret that he wouldn't lose to him if the roles were reversed.
Thank you..mmi commented as well....Chael missed a lot here and made Brett look bad.....Brett was wrong and right. That's how I look at it. Shawn is a fucking snake.....
Ge got the story wrong. Bret didnt leave right away Bret said he would drop the belt on Monday night Raw the next night. He wasnt leaving for a few weeks
It’s always funny when guys who don’t like pro wrestling want to comment and tell others how much they don’t like pro wrestling yet ima fan of both and I’m knowledgeable and better for it....btw chel you did a pretty good job on this
@@buddhamaster322 His face wasn't pointed down it was the 1st punch stop trying to act like a bad-ass dude you're not. You should learn a thing or 2 about fighting Before commenting.
Correction, Bret was not supposed to show up on WCW TV the next night. Survivor Series happened in early November, he was to be on WCW from December. He still had a few weeks left in his contract.
Undertaker said that the punch was a looping overhand right and that he wasn't sure how it connected in the first place. That, at least, is consistent with the "black eye". So why indeed does Bret say that he nailed Vince with the most beautiful uppercut that he'd ever thrown?
The screw-job was Brett's own fault. That's what happens when an employee tries to strong-arm their boss. Then you get reminded, the hard way, that the boss calls the shots.
A number of inaccuracies in the first 3 minutes - firstly, Bret's contract was not up the next day after Survivor Series '97, there were actually 3 weeks after Survivor Series left on his contract and the title could have been dropped in that time. Also, Montreal is not Bret's hometown, Calgary is his hometown. Bret is Canadian and considered himself (to be fair, Canadians did as well) to be a Canadian hero and therefore didn't want to lose in Canada to Shawn Michaels of all people.
Bret still had weeks on his contract before Montreal. They could've done the switch in the US. Montreal isn't Bret's hometown, Calgary, Alberta is. And the finish of the match wasn't mean to be Bret winning, it was meant to be a disqualification win for Shawn Michaels.
The planned finish was that the match would end in a draw and Bret would relinquish the title the next day. Not Bret winning and showing up in WCW the next day. That's the reason people take Bret's side whenever that issue is raised. And also Shawn went off the script as a part of their rivalry once. That put Bret in a real harsh situation.
they also make them lose when their contract is up, so they can renegotiate a wrestler coming off a loss, some dont want to lose and have no problem resigning, but its going to be cheaper coming off a loss, same for ronda, she lost her belt when her contract was up
From what I remember, Bret offered to lose it the next day on Monday Night Raw to Shawn. He was due to go to WCW later on that week. The thing is, Vince wanted Bret to lose on the big stage rather than on a TV show, and the big even happened to be in Canada where Bret Hart is some type of hero.
I'm pretty sure that an uppercut could land somewhere other than the chin. Considering Bret is not Mike Tyson and Vince was expecting a punch from Bret. So it could be likely that a reflex from Vince combined with a who knows what kinda uppercut hitting the eye is plausible.
Chael they were in a locker room. In the locker room was Davy boy smith, Owen hart, bret, Vince, Shane. Also mark Calaway (the undertaker) is known as the General n the locker room, he is the boss, judge, jury, and executioner. He stated in a few interviews that he was pissed at Vince over this so he went to vinces office and told him to get down to the locker room and give Bret an explanation. Bret was coming out of the shower when Vince entered and Bret punched him.
Uppercuts don't always land on the chin. That was my number one go to punch when I fought any street fights and only landed 2 square on the chin that I can remember and well over 25 that landed on foreheads, cheeks bones, noses, eye sockets and ears.
@Gentile Uprising nope. This info came from Cornette himself and confirmed by Dave meltzer yesterday. Meltzer said he'd reveal the name after they passed away but since cornette came out with it, he confirmed it was cornettes doing when asked about it. Solomonster did a segment talking about it a bit
If you were somehow able to land a punch on Chael Sonnen your entire arm would shatter upon impact. This is only in theory, since, come on, who in their right mind would try this?
Uncle Chael, numerous times over the years: “Guys, I’m not much of a pro wrestling fan.... “ *accurately uses all pro wrestling lingo and terminology, often professes Vince McMahon as the greatest promoter of all time, describes pro wrestling backstage drama as accurately as Ken Burns describing civil war battles, is famous for his heel promos*
Chael has it incorrect on almost 90% of it. 1.Vince and Bret knew about this well over a month beforehand. 2. Bret wasn't going to show up on Nitro the night after. Bret's WCW debut was exactly 1 month later, not the following night 3. Vince should've taken the belt off Bret before his final 30 day clause set in 4. Vince didn't help Bret get the title, Bret helped Vince out of the 20 year contract 5. Bret didn't pack up his bags and end up in WCW the next night (again) 6. Incorrect about Vince getting to pick the finish because Vince gave Bret creative control in his contract so both parties have to agree 7. Why do you think Vince allowed Bret to punch him? 8. Why do you think Undertaker, the lockerroom leader, was unhappy and went into Vince's lockerroom and told Vince to talk to Bret 9. Bret wasn't leaving with the belt 10. Bret was naked, took a shower, and put on his clothes before punching Vince 11. It COULD be a work BUT Bret isn't that great of a actor lol
The Gangster is wrong on this one. You can see from the footage in Wrestling with Shadows that Vince, Shane, Brisco, etc. went into Bret's locker room and shut the door. Then you see them leaving with Vince visibly staggering. Whether it was an uppercut or not we can't tell.
You got a fair bit of that wrong Chael. Bret was not leaving that quickly and wanted to drop the title on the following episode of Raw as opposed to losing the title on home soil (Canada, as Calgary is his home town not Montreal) to someone he genuinely (for good reason) detested. Vince agreed he could drop the belt on Raw and then just screwed him. That is why a number of other WWE wrestlers quit the company in disgust.
actually Shawn was back there too, he was the one who was naked behind the towel. He waited for Bret, and told him then and there he knew nothing and had no part in it: Then the McMahons entered and HBK bounced.
